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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 08:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forza,
glad to hear you finally admitt your mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forza,<br />
glad to hear you finally admitt your mistakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Matty B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matty B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenhouse
&quot;Yeah, people gotta test drive the car&quot;

Greenhouse
&quot;So what if it didn’t work selling cars on line in USA? Why can’t it be done now? Try. &quot;

Do you see the issue with both of these statements ? I personally would have no problem selling cars on the online, would make my job a hell of a lot easier not having to deal the public. Problem is people won&#039;t spend $20 to $200+ Thousand dollars sitting at their desk. And how does this work in the used car market. 

I understand this whole bailout with dealers, and to the best of my knowledge it has to be paid back anyway. It&#039;s not like with manufacturers who are getting &quot;hand outs&quot; That&#039;s a completely different issue. 

The idea behind a &quot;bailout&quot; is to help an organisation realise theres an issue an forward plan to stop it happening again. The biggest question is, what are local manufacturers doing to get profitable ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenhouse<br />
&#8220;Yeah, people gotta test drive the car&#8221;</p>
<p>Greenhouse<br />
&#8220;So what if it didn’t work selling cars on line in USA? Why can’t it be done now? Try. &#8221;</p>
<p>Do you see the issue with both of these statements ? I personally would have no problem selling cars on the online, would make my job a hell of a lot easier not having to deal the public. Problem is people won&#8217;t spend $20 to $200+ Thousand dollars sitting at their desk. And how does this work in the used car market. </p>
<p>I understand this whole bailout with dealers, and to the best of my knowledge it has to be paid back anyway. It&#8217;s not like with manufacturers who are getting &#8220;hand outs&#8221; That&#8217;s a completely different issue. </p>
<p>The idea behind a &#8220;bailout&#8221; is to help an organisation realise theres an issue an forward plan to stop it happening again. The biggest question is, what are local manufacturers doing to get profitable ?</p>
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		<title>By: Forza M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forza M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>greenhouse, unlike your woodie mate andrew you seem like a nice bloke so i am going to explain to you why things wont work they way you think they should.

The short answer is car manufacturers will go broke in a week if they allowed dealers to go for the JIT method you are talking about. It will never happen. end of story.

Yes Andrew of course im the one going off on tangents again......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>greenhouse, unlike your woodie mate andrew you seem like a nice bloke so i am going to explain to you why things wont work they way you think they should.</p>
<p>The short answer is car manufacturers will go broke in a week if they allowed dealers to go for the JIT method you are talking about. It will never happen. end of story.</p>
<p>Yes Andrew of course im the one going off on tangents again&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: greenroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 08:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I don&#039;t work in the auto industry. But I reckon the industry now has to do things differently.  Why stick to the same model is what I&#039;m saying?  It&#039;s not working. Plants are going broke. Stock is piled up all over the joint. Wrong cars / engines for the times. It may have been acceptable 2 years ago, but not now.

Yeah, people gotta test drive the car.  You don&#039;t need a paddock full of cars.  Organise another way.  Share cars, drive the dealers demo cars, swap cars,  People have to see colurs.  You don&#039;t need every model  / every colour. Use panels, use cameras... jeez.. why keep doing stuff the same if it don&#039;t work?

So what if it didn&#039;t work selling cars on line in USA? Why can&#039;t it be done now?  Try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I don&#8217;t work in the auto industry. But I reckon the industry now has to do things differently.  Why stick to the same model is what I&#8217;m saying?  It&#8217;s not working. Plants are going broke. Stock is piled up all over the joint. Wrong cars / engines for the times. It may have been acceptable 2 years ago, but not now.</p>
<p>Yeah, people gotta test drive the car.  You don&#8217;t need a paddock full of cars.  Organise another way.  Share cars, drive the dealers demo cars, swap cars,  People have to see colurs.  You don&#8217;t need every model  / every colour. Use panels, use cameras&#8230; jeez.. why keep doing stuff the same if it don&#8217;t work?</p>
<p>So what if it didn&#8217;t work selling cars on line in USA? Why can&#8217;t it be done now?  Try.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote [CB]; I think you’d be surprised at how many Australians would be prepared to let the local manufacturers sink as well. 

yeah anyone that wants to put their job indanger as once the car industry goes there will be more than the 40 odd thousand people employed by Holden Ford and Toyotas out of work.

When such a mjor industry goes the impact on other industries and other areas of the economy is significant.. it results in a downturn and loss of jobs in the retail; hospitality and tourism; financial; entertainment; real estate and construction industries to name a few

Others who would like to see the Local manufacturers sink are those who are willing to pay 20-25% income tax.. which is exactly what they will be doing as the gummint will have to increase centrelinks budget given that so many people who rely on it having lost their jobs because the local auto motive industry disappeared.

But of course these dim-witted people think that if/when Holden Ford and Toyota leave Australia that some how cars will become cheaper. Sure Tariffs will become 0% however; car companies are in business to make money. 

Therefore; its more likely that inorder to increaase profits car companies will either keep prices the same as what they are now if not make them higher.. and we in Australia will have no choice but to pay whatever they want because it comes down to a simple matter of supply and demand - they&#039;ve got something we want.

Mind you very few of us will actually be able to afford or buy a new car as half of us will paying so much of our wages in taxes to support the other half that are out of work and reliant on centrelink

So irionically  most of us will be driving  10 year old Holdens and Fords - Luckily  Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons are proven to be more reliable last longer as well as be cheaper to repair than virtually all other passenger cars on the market</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote [CB]; I think you’d be surprised at how many Australians would be prepared to let the local manufacturers sink as well. </p>
<p>yeah anyone that wants to put their job indanger as once the car industry goes there will be more than the 40 odd thousand people employed by Holden Ford and Toyotas out of work.</p>
<p>When such a mjor industry goes the impact on other industries and other areas of the economy is significant.. it results in a downturn and loss of jobs in the retail; hospitality and tourism; financial; entertainment; real estate and construction industries to name a few</p>
<p>Others who would like to see the Local manufacturers sink are those who are willing to pay 20-25% income tax.. which is exactly what they will be doing as the gummint will have to increase centrelinks budget given that so many people who rely on it having lost their jobs because the local auto motive industry disappeared.</p>
<p>But of course these dim-witted people think that if/when Holden Ford and Toyota leave Australia that some how cars will become cheaper. Sure Tariffs will become 0% however; car companies are in business to make money. </p>
<p>Therefore; its more likely that inorder to increaase profits car companies will either keep prices the same as what they are now if not make them higher.. and we in Australia will have no choice but to pay whatever they want because it comes down to a simple matter of supply and demand &#8211; they&#8217;ve got something we want.</p>
<p>Mind you very few of us will actually be able to afford or buy a new car as half of us will paying so much of our wages in taxes to support the other half that are out of work and reliant on centrelink</p>
<p>So irionically  most of us will be driving  10 year old Holdens and Fords &#8211; Luckily  Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons are proven to be more reliable last longer as well as be cheaper to repair than virtually all other passenger cars on the market</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut Says: 
December 6th, 2008 at 10:52 am 
&quot;KRudd obviously realises how important the Automotive industry [Ford and Holden] is to Australia and the economy…. which is more than I can say for a number of others on this site..&quot;

Actually, Krudd and his dimwit colleagues have no idea - they&#039;ll play Robin Hood until the next election just to retain government. His latest bail out is a sweetener to those blue collar electorates in VIC and SA who will vote for him and his totally incompetent state mates in coming elections.

We will never be competitive with Asia in numerous areas, including labour, and generally still work on antiquated manufacturing principles. Why delay the inevitable? Will we pump even more money, say $10 billion, into the auto industry in five years time? Where was all this government support when heavy manufacturing started dwindling in Australia?

All these tax payer bailout advocates have no idea how far behind the times we are as a manufacturing nation... have any of you worked in a workshop here? Or seen the huge progress and advancements in manufacturing in places like Vietnam, China and South Korea?


&quot;Whilst in the US a survey shows that 60% of Americans are against the proposed bailout of their Automotive Industry.&quot;

Wouldn&#039;t you be if you were a US tax payer? I&#039;d let them sink, and then start afresh. Sure, significant short term pain - but negotiations with the auto unions can start afresh...

BTW I think you’d be surprised at how many Australians would be prepared to let the local manufacturers sink as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut Says:<br />
December 6th, 2008 at 10:52 am<br />
&#8220;KRudd obviously realises how important the Automotive industry [Ford and Holden] is to Australia and the economy…. which is more than I can say for a number of others on this site..&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, Krudd and his dimwit colleagues have no idea &#8211; they&#8217;ll play Robin Hood until the next election just to retain government. His latest bail out is a sweetener to those blue collar electorates in VIC and SA who will vote for him and his totally incompetent state mates in coming elections.</p>
<p>We will never be competitive with Asia in numerous areas, including labour, and generally still work on antiquated manufacturing principles. Why delay the inevitable? Will we pump even more money, say $10 billion, into the auto industry in five years time? Where was all this government support when heavy manufacturing started dwindling in Australia?</p>
<p>All these tax payer bailout advocates have no idea how far behind the times we are as a manufacturing nation&#8230; have any of you worked in a workshop here? Or seen the huge progress and advancements in manufacturing in places like Vietnam, China and South Korea?</p>
<p>&#8220;Whilst in the US a survey shows that 60% of Americans are against the proposed bailout of their Automotive Industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you be if you were a US tax payer? I&#8217;d let them sink, and then start afresh. Sure, significant short term pain &#8211; but negotiations with the auto unions can start afresh&#8230;</p>
<p>BTW I think you’d be surprised at how many Australians would be prepared to let the local manufacturers sink as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Elitist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elitist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capitalism was always about cut throat survival of the fittest.
Now they want us to save the weak? Japan never did this in the 90&#039;s and thats why theyre soo strong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capitalism was always about cut throat survival of the fittest.<br />
Now they want us to save the weak? Japan never did this in the 90&#8242;s and thats why theyre soo strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forza,
you are the kind of guy who thinks everyone but you are heading the wrong way down a highway when you meet everyone head on.

you dont at any point start to think its you thats a little high??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forza,<br />
you are the kind of guy who thinks everyone but you are heading the wrong way down a highway when you meet everyone head on.</p>
<p>you dont at any point start to think its you thats a little high??</p>
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		<title>By: Car Tuning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Car Tuning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well the automotive industry surely deserves this bail out. many people work for automakers or depend on them so it was pretty bad if companies closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well the automotive industry surely deserves this bail out. many people work for automakers or depend on them so it was pretty bad if companies closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Forza M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Forza M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 11:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenhouse - JIT vehicle production? You arent to sharp are you....

Andrew M way off the track as per usual.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenhouse &#8211; JIT vehicle production? You arent to sharp are you&#8230;.</p>
<p>Andrew M way off the track as per usual&#8230;..</p>
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