Comments on: Commodore achieves Five-Star ANCAP rating

By: tekkyy

tekkyy — Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:57:46 +0000

nice one Holden
besides the cosmetics seat belt reminder (+1), and red tape pole test (+2), they physically improved the steering column to remove the knee score penalty (+2)

to keep in perspective, Aurion Camry and 380 still has the knee injury problem

fingers crossed now for Aurion to do the same
(if not physical steering column change then at least a knee airbag like Yaris Corolla and US Camry)
so Aurion can join the 5-star league and everyone is happy

Toyota fans would be even happier so that’ll bump it from from 30.03 to 35.03 to top the group

By: Bret

Bret — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:38:03 +0000

Duck, exatly. You don’t know, however those with an understanding of engineering and structural design do.

EG.
Commodore limited to 200kg lower towing capacity because of chassis strength.

Commodore notorious for breaking through floor pan behind front row of seats in serious crashes (pre VE). The Commodore previously had a two piece floor pan which failed at the spot welded joint.

Commodore chassis stetched during heavy towing.

etc.

By: Duck

Duck — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:32:33 +0000

That’s right Wheelnut! In the first place, how can the Aurion be a direct competitor to the Commodore and/or Falcon if it is front wheel drive!!!!!!?????

And if the Aurion is “Game Changing” why doesn’t Toyota upgrade the Aurion (like the VE Commodore) and go for a re-test to try and acheive a 5 star ANCAP rating like Holden did?

P.S. ………… Wheelnut it is more like the “Goal Post Shifting” Aurion!

By: Duck

Duck — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:26:34 +0000

I don’t know Bret if……….. “The Falcon chassis always has been stronger, with better crash protection than commodore – and still is!” ………….is true!

By: Duck

Duck — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:23:14 +0000

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By: Bret

Bret — Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:09:40 +0000

Aussiecar Says:
December 8th, 2008 at 2:11 am
“Although the Falcon has a better safety rating, if I was going to get hit in the side by another car or truck, I would prefer the commodore due to its more solid chassis.”

I don’t know how you jump to that conclusion. The Falcon chassis always has been stronger, with better crash protection than commodore – and still is!

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 10:07:59 +0000

Duck – It’s not the “Game Changing” Aurion…. it sthe “Goal Post Shifting” Aurion

As the game hasn’t changed – Holden and Ford are still beating Toyota in tersm of sales of their Family Sedans.

whereas I [and a number of car enthusiasts on this site] don’t consider the Aurion to be a direct rival to the Commodore or Falcon however; Toyota [and some of their fans] like to compare the Aurion to the Commodore and Falcon when something good about the Toyota comes out in the media… but whenever something bad about it is mentioned they say that its not a direct rival to the Commodore or Falcon.. and thats what I mean by “Goalpost Shifting”

It’s like a Rugby League team losing a game but saying “yes we lost but we scored more goals then they did”….aaaahh you still lost!

Then if the same Rugbty league team hppens to win against the same team that they previously lost to they say “yep we won we deserved it and the scoreboard shows it” when its more likely to have been because of the poor refereeing

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 09:44:35 +0000

Its good to see all round.

Holden supporters really have Ford to thank for this result.

If Ford had’nt had gone the whole hog and grabbed a 5 star, i highly doubt holden would have bothered re-engineering the front to also get the commy over the line.

Now im not being pig headed in saying that, its actually true.
That is just a prime example how the competition means win win for the consumer.

Aussiecar,
i dont know how a “more solid” chassis lessens the brutality of a side impact

By: Duck

Duck — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:55:06 +0000

At least Holden tried later and got the 5 star ANCAP, not like Toyota, like Wheelnut was saying. Toyota still has their “Game changing Aurion” which has still only 4 stars for ANCAP and haven’t even tried for a re-test not like Holden (and of course for Ford got the 5 star ANCAP in the first place, I didn’t forget). They can’t even bother! And their still getting terrible sales results for it’s V6 Camry!!!!!!!!!!!

So what is Toyota thinking!?!?!?!?!?!????!!!!!!!!!?????!!!!!!

By: topdog

topdog — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:07:16 +0000

Yeh so would i, we know how to make good engines its just cheaper to get them in i spose. Im glad the falcon has decieded to keep making the ozzy engine for our ozzy car