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	<title>Comments on: Bleak future for Pontiac G8 in the U.S.</title>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19407/bleak-future-for-pontiac-g8-in-the-us/#comment-106010</link>
		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr American G8 buyer,I think the main problem is that GM sells the Commodore as a Pontiac - a brand which [from what I&#039;ve read] has gradually lost the reputation for building sdports cars to one that builds more generic sedans.

However; if they sold it as something with more exposure a better reputation etc such as a Chevrolet more people will buy them. They could sell it as either the new Impala or Malibu or even bring back the Beretta name

It makes sense really given that the Commodore is powered by a Chevrolet/Corvette V8. It&#039;s sold as a Chev in the Middle East and the Sheiks love em

Although given that GMs financial problems and are now in a restructuring/streamlining process I think GM is likely to get rid of Pontiac [as well as Buick] and keep the more widely known brands such as Chevrolet and Cadillac</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr American G8 buyer,I think the main problem is that GM sells the Commodore as a Pontiac &#8211; a brand which [from what I've read] has gradually lost the reputation for building sdports cars to one that builds more generic sedans.</p>
<p>However; if they sold it as something with more exposure a better reputation etc such as a Chevrolet more people will buy them. They could sell it as either the new Impala or Malibu or even bring back the Beretta name</p>
<p>It makes sense really given that the Commodore is powered by a Chevrolet/Corvette V8. It&#8217;s sold as a Chev in the Middle East and the Sheiks love em</p>
<p>Although given that GMs financial problems and are now in a restructuring/streamlining process I think GM is likely to get rid of Pontiac [as well as Buick] and keep the more widely known brands such as Chevrolet and Cadillac</p>
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		<title>By: American_G8_Buyer</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19407/bleak-future-for-pontiac-g8-in-the-us/#comment-105991</link>
		<dc:creator>American_G8_Buyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, scary, I just went to the Holden Website and priced a Holden Commodore with the same equipment as my G8.  The Commodore came out to $63,831, which is about $43,000 (US) at the present exchange rate.  The G8 only cost me $30,000 (US).  Shouldn&#039;t it cost more to ship a car across the Pacific and sell it in the US than to sell it at home in Australia?  Is there some reason why cars cost 30% more in Australia?  Really high taxes or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, scary, I just went to the Holden Website and priced a Holden Commodore with the same equipment as my G8.  The Commodore came out to $63,831, which is about $43,000 (US) at the present exchange rate.  The G8 only cost me $30,000 (US).  Shouldn&#8217;t it cost more to ship a car across the Pacific and sell it in the US than to sell it at home in Australia?  Is there some reason why cars cost 30% more in Australia?  Really high taxes or something?</p>
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		<title>By: American_G8_Buyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>American_G8_Buyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just bought a G8 GT about three weeks ago, and the car is very well received over here in the states.  Everyone loves my new car.  The problem?  No one knows it exists.  It fills a niche market which up till recently has been filled by BMW&#039;s, Mecedes, and the Dodge Charger.  The G8 is thoughsands less then the German cars, and out performs the Charger R/T in just about every respect.  Ford has no equivalent car for sale in the US.

If Pontiac marketed them better, had more in stock, and the general auto market didn&#039;t suck so bad right now, the G8&#039;s would be a huge hit.  The dealer I went to had them flying out the door with the Red Tag Sale GM was running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just bought a G8 GT about three weeks ago, and the car is very well received over here in the states.  Everyone loves my new car.  The problem?  No one knows it exists.  It fills a niche market which up till recently has been filled by BMW&#8217;s, Mecedes, and the Dodge Charger.  The G8 is thoughsands less then the German cars, and out performs the Charger R/T in just about every respect.  Ford has no equivalent car for sale in the US.</p>
<p>If Pontiac marketed them better, had more in stock, and the general auto market didn&#8217;t suck so bad right now, the G8&#8242;s would be a huge hit.  The dealer I went to had them flying out the door with the Red Tag Sale GM was running.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark get it straight the G8 is not a flop in the US the economy is! How many Camrys were Toyota counting on selling a lot more than they did anyway ! The G8 was always going to fill a void in their market not take over one. Your bringing up Toyota daily drivers the people I know that own these in the states are car lovers . Shall I message them and ask them to make a comment on your last silly one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark get it straight the G8 is not a flop in the US the economy is! How many Camrys were Toyota counting on selling a lot more than they did anyway ! The G8 was always going to fill a void in their market not take over one. Your bringing up Toyota daily drivers the people I know that own these in the states are car lovers . Shall I message them and ask them to make a comment on your last silly one!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Greenburg</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19407/bleak-future-for-pontiac-g8-in-the-us/#comment-105025</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Greenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 09:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In October, Pontiac sold just over 1,000 G8s in the US.  By comparison, Toyota sold over 30,000 Camrys.  Even Ford&#039;s ancient Crown Victoria managed 3,000 sales, while Lincoln&#039;s equally old Town Car even beat the G8.  Another GM flop was the Astra, which managed only a little over 500 units, compared to 27,000 Corollas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In October, Pontiac sold just over 1,000 G8s in the US.  By comparison, Toyota sold over 30,000 Camrys.  Even Ford&#8217;s ancient Crown Victoria managed 3,000 sales, while Lincoln&#8217;s equally old Town Car even beat the G8.  Another GM flop was the Astra, which managed only a little over 500 units, compared to 27,000 Corollas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Flat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Flat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The doomsday clock for Holden is only a few seconds away from Midnight...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The doomsday clock for Holden is only a few seconds away from Midnight&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RoFlmaTiC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoFlmaTiC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomas, Wheelnut is right regarding Holden Commodores being &quot;made in Australia&quot;. Though Wheelnut, it&#039;s not a company that owns those australian made logo&#039;s as far as I know. 

However it would probably be illegal to claim the commodore is a &quot;product of australia&quot;.

www . austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/s65ab.html

www . austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/s65ac.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomas, Wheelnut is right regarding Holden Commodores being &#8220;made in Australia&#8221;. Though Wheelnut, it&#8217;s not a company that owns those australian made logo&#8217;s as far as I know. </p>
<p>However it would probably be illegal to claim the commodore is a &#8220;product of australia&#8221;.</p>
<p>www . austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/s65ab.html</p>
<p>www . austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/tpa1974149/s65ac.html</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tomas sick of your flybys...........my comment is under moderation cause you reported it !Cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen. 

Retort as much as you like Tomas but Holden is Australian so get the F..k over it! 

I will repeat myself from last night Tomas

&quot;“Management bonuses will be slashed 10 percent at Toyota as a result of the global economic slowdown. About 5,000 managers will take cuts as the Japanese automaker reels from falling global sales that are hitting its local market hard. Toyota vehicle sales in Japan dropped 27 percent in November (excluding 660cc minivehicles) and Lexus sales dipped 24 percent — mirroring the same sales issues that both brands are having in the United States. As a result, the Japanse Juggernaut will halt production for two days on one of the Tahara production lines manufacturing the Lexus LS, GS and IS models, which will prevent about 5,000 luxury cars from being built, and idle another factory in southern Japan for two days, as well. Toyota is also expected to announce lower sales and production estimates at its year-end press conference that happens at the end of this month. That news will follow the 1 trillion yen ($10.7 billion) yanked just last month from its annual operating profit forecast.

Everyone is in the crap in America including Toyota........so stop putting the boots into Holden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tomas sick of your flybys&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..my comment is under moderation cause you reported it !Cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen. </p>
<p>Retort as much as you like Tomas but Holden is Australian so get the F..k over it! </p>
<p>I will repeat myself from last night Tomas</p>
<p>&#8220;“Management bonuses will be slashed 10 percent at Toyota as a result of the global economic slowdown. About 5,000 managers will take cuts as the Japanese automaker reels from falling global sales that are hitting its local market hard. Toyota vehicle sales in Japan dropped 27 percent in November (excluding 660cc minivehicles) and Lexus sales dipped 24 percent — mirroring the same sales issues that both brands are having in the United States. As a result, the Japanse Juggernaut will halt production for two days on one of the Tahara production lines manufacturing the Lexus LS, GS and IS models, which will prevent about 5,000 luxury cars from being built, and idle another factory in southern Japan for two days, as well. Toyota is also expected to announce lower sales and production estimates at its year-end press conference that happens at the end of this month. That news will follow the 1 trillion yen ($10.7 billion) yanked just last month from its annual operating profit forecast.</p>
<p>Everyone is in the crap in America including Toyota&#8230;&#8230;..so stop putting the boots into Holden.</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jesus, do you guys ever stfu?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesus, do you guys ever stfu?</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the company that owns the rights to the Australian Made Logo [Yellow kangaroo in a Green Triangle] says that the VE Commodore is Australain Made - they are the ones who gave me the definition as to what determines whether or not a particular product is Australian made and therefore elligible to display the Australian Made Logo [Yellow kangaroo in a Green Triangle]..

As I said before the definition basically says a product is regarded as being Australian Made if it is made, procuced or assembled here to the point where it is a sale able item or a finished product. 
Therefore the commodore meets the Australian Made criteria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the company that owns the rights to the Australian Made Logo [Yellow kangaroo in a Green Triangle] says that the VE Commodore is Australain Made &#8211; they are the ones who gave me the definition as to what determines whether or not a particular product is Australian made and therefore elligible to display the Australian Made Logo [Yellow kangaroo in a Green Triangle]..</p>
<p>As I said before the definition basically says a product is regarded as being Australian Made if it is made, procuced or assembled here to the point where it is a sale able item or a finished product.<br />
Therefore the commodore meets the Australian Made criteria</p>
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