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	<title>Comments on: Holden introduce rear-view camera on Sportwagon</title>
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		<title>By: Shak</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19387/holden-introduce-rear-view-camera-on-sportwagon/#comment-177342</link>
		<dc:creator>Shak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you believe that based on some tests conducted by an independent body, that hardly represent real world conditions, that a falcon is safer than a Commodore. A star wont save you in a crash... now a curtain airbag is something that might. And as for your quarrel with Loaf, im siding with him. My best mate worls for a Dealership in sydney, and almost 80% of his Wagon sales have been above Berlina and Calais spec (SS&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; SSV&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; CALAIS&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; CALAIS V). You are just bitter about the fact that all Ford can offer in the way of a wagon is a hearse that has been repainted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you believe that based on some tests conducted by an independent body, that hardly represent real world conditions, that a falcon is safer than a Commodore. A star wont save you in a crash&#8230; now a curtain airbag is something that might. And as for your quarrel with Loaf, im siding with him. My best mate worls for a Dealership in sydney, and almost 80% of his Wagon sales have been above Berlina and Calais spec (SS&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; SSV&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; CALAIS&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; CALAIS V). You are just bitter about the fact that all Ford can offer in the way of a wagon is a hearse that has been repainted.</p>
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		<title>By: Shak</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19387/holden-introduce-rear-view-camera-on-sportwagon/#comment-177340</link>
		<dc:creator>Shak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats because no one lives in Adelaide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats because no one lives in Adelaide.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19387/holden-introduce-rear-view-camera-on-sportwagon/#comment-105269</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil you poor bastrrd, you mean you are NOT lucky enough to live in the best state in Australia? Best wine, best weather (all year), best cost of living, best well .. everything - I feel real sory for you mate.
Wake up and smell the coffee, get out sometime!

Make no mistake, the
FALCON IS STILL A SAFER CAR THAN COMMODORE!
(And both are a safer car than a Corolla or Yaris)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil you poor bastrrd, you mean you are NOT lucky enough to live in the best state in Australia? Best wine, best weather (all year), best cost of living, best well .. everything &#8211; I feel real sory for you mate.<br />
Wake up and smell the coffee, get out sometime!</p>
<p>Make no mistake, the<br />
FALCON IS STILL A SAFER CAR THAN COMMODORE!<br />
(And both are a safer car than a Corolla or Yaris)</p>
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		<title>By: Devil666</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/19387/holden-introduce-rear-view-camera-on-sportwagon/#comment-105010</link>
		<dc:creator>Devil666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 07:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Bret, you poor poor fellow, living in Adelaide. No wonder you are so bitter about this. 

BTW, compare the figures recorded in the ANCrAP tests, FG and VE were near identical in the majority of all forces recorded: VE won some, FG won some.

Make NO mistake about it: if you are in a severe enough crash to kill you in a VE, you&#039;d be dead in an FG too. Fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Bret, you poor poor fellow, living in Adelaide. No wonder you are so bitter about this. </p>
<p>BTW, compare the figures recorded in the ANCrAP tests, FG and VE were near identical in the majority of all forces recorded: VE won some, FG won some.</p>
<p>Make NO mistake about it: if you are in a severe enough crash to kill you in a VE, you&#8217;d be dead in an FG too. Fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loaf, Nah I meant &quot;Whateva&quot;. I deliberatley tried to come down to you level of intelligence.

And if you&#039;re going to quote what I wrote, then quote the whole in context:
&quot;..in Adelaide its&#039; all fleet and govt plated VE wagons, amost no private ones seem to be around&quot; 
Even someone as dull as you should be able to understand colloquial language and grasp the true meaning of that statement.

Loaf Says: 
December 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pm 
&quot;I don’t recall saying at any point that VE Wagon was more private than fleet.&quot;

Now let&#039;s quote you:
&quot;MOST of the Sportwagons I have seen are SS/SSv and those bought by people I know are private buyers..&quot;

Now who&#039;s looking silly.

Thank you for confirming that VE wagons are predominately fleet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loaf, Nah I meant &#8220;Whateva&#8221;. I deliberatley tried to come down to you level of intelligence.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re going to quote what I wrote, then quote the whole in context:<br />
&#8220;..in Adelaide its&#8217; all fleet and govt plated VE wagons, amost no private ones seem to be around&#8221;<br />
Even someone as dull as you should be able to understand colloquial language and grasp the true meaning of that statement.</p>
<p>Loaf Says:<br />
December 4th, 2008 at 2:43 pm<br />
&#8220;I don’t recall saying at any point that VE Wagon was more private than fleet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s quote you:<br />
&#8220;MOST of the Sportwagons I have seen are SS/SSv and those bought by people I know are private buyers..&#8221;</p>
<p>Now who&#8217;s looking silly.</p>
<p>Thank you for confirming that VE wagons are predominately fleet.</p>
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		<title>By: Loaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bret - I think you meant &quot;Whatever&quot; not &quot;Whateva&#039;&quot;

I don&#039;t recall saying at any point that VE Wagon was more private than fleet.  In an earlier post you say that &quot;in Adelaide is is ALL fleet&quot; and I was just saying that (regardless of whether Adelaide is representative of the entire Australian new car market) they are selling privately in good numbers and I know that for a &quot;FACT.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret &#8211; I think you meant &#8220;Whatever&#8221; not &#8220;Whateva&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall saying at any point that VE Wagon was more private than fleet.  In an earlier post you say that &#8220;in Adelaide is is ALL fleet&#8221; and I was just saying that (regardless of whether Adelaide is representative of the entire Australian new car market) they are selling privately in good numbers and I know that for a &#8220;FACT.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah.... so now you have confirmed that your expert views are actually just based on IMPRESSIONS gained from what YOU have NOTICED on the road.

And you expect me and others to accept that over the real world FACTS that most VE wagons sold are FLEET. Whateva&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230;. so now you have confirmed that your expert views are actually just based on IMPRESSIONS gained from what YOU have NOTICED on the road.</p>
<p>And you expect me and others to accept that over the real world FACTS that most VE wagons sold are FLEET. Whateva&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And BTW Loaf,
of the 25-30 VE wagons that the SA govt take eack week, very few are ever likely to see this reversing camera optioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And BTW Loaf,<br />
of the 25-30 VE wagons that the SA govt take eack week, very few are ever likely to see this reversing camera optioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Loaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been loads of fun Brettt- thanks again.  I have seen about three Omega Wagons (unfortunately they still had those new alloys on them!! but I digress) so far in a bigger market than SA and a lot more of the V8 models, and SV6s.  Seems like a good model mix to me &amp; not many fleets tend to to for cars with bigger tyres more evident SS etc. 
I think it is reasonable to expect higher private sales than VZ truckster but It is still too early to tell.  
Limited edition models don&#039;t get fleet discount - hats off to them for buying some!
Sorry, I just don&#039;t believe for a moment that you believe what you are saying but good on ya, you will enjoy monitoring how this car goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been loads of fun Brettt- thanks again.  I have seen about three Omega Wagons (unfortunately they still had those new alloys on them!! but I digress) so far in a bigger market than SA and a lot more of the V8 models, and SV6s.  Seems like a good model mix to me &amp; not many fleets tend to to for cars with bigger tyres more evident SS etc.<br />
I think it is reasonable to expect higher private sales than VZ truckster but It is still too early to tell.<br />
Limited edition models don&#8217;t get fleet discount &#8211; hats off to them for buying some!<br />
Sorry, I just don&#8217;t believe for a moment that you believe what you are saying but good on ya, you will enjoy monitoring how this car goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loaf, nothing you are saying is making any sense.

60th anniv. models not sold to fleets? A certain medical courier company has a whole fleet of them, the SA Govt has quite a few as well. You&#039;d better tell them to give them all back then, because Loaf says fleets can&#039;t own them.

Your assertions that more private buyers are buying VE wagons than fletts is just pure fantasy. It&#039;s the truth and Everybody knows it but you?

Could it be that your little mind just blocks out the Omegas that blend into the crowd of Korean hatches?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loaf, nothing you are saying is making any sense.</p>
<p>60th anniv. models not sold to fleets? A certain medical courier company has a whole fleet of them, the SA Govt has quite a few as well. You&#8217;d better tell them to give them all back then, because Loaf says fleets can&#8217;t own them.</p>
<p>Your assertions that more private buyers are buying VE wagons than fletts is just pure fantasy. It&#8217;s the truth and Everybody knows it but you?</p>
<p>Could it be that your little mind just blocks out the Omegas that blend into the crowd of Korean hatches?</p>
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