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Kia pro_cee’d turbo hot-hatch all but confirmed

By Alborz Fallah
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Kia is likely to build a performance variant of its pro_cee’d three-door hatch with the Korean company all but confirming that the project is already under way.

Kia Europe’s vice president of marketing and product planning, Benny Auyen, made mention of a turbocharged pro_cee’d with around 200hp (150kW) during his opening speech for Kia at the Paris Motor Show yesterday.

The Kia pro_cee’d is arguably the most aggressively styled Kia to date. According to the company’s well-known head of design, Peter Schreyer, the pro_cee’d was designed to portray an almost completely different image to the conventional five-door cee’d and the cee’d sportwagon.

When asked if a performance version of the pro_cee’d was underway, Kia’s European head of powertrain development, Joachim Hahn, told CarAdvice that he agrees a performance version would suit the model.

“If you think the new pro_cee’d from its shape is ready for more performance, I can agree.” Hahn said.

Back at the Geneva motor show in March, Hahn confirmed to CarAdvice that a turbocharged Kia would be available (in Europe) within 12 months, which means the pro_cee’d turbo is likely to go on sale in the next six months.

The performance engine at the centre of all this is the 1.6-litre turbocharged GDI engine currently on offer locally in the Hyundai Veloster Turbo. With 150kW of power and 265Nm of torque, the Korean made engine would suit the ~1250kg three-door model to complete the hot hatch package. This power-to-weight ratio would put it on par with the Veloster Turbo (which weighs 1265kg) in terms of outright performance. It also provides an insight as to potential pricing ($33-35,000).

Expanding on his vision for performance cars, Hahn also confirmed that work was underway on a dual-clutch transmission (DCT) that could take the additional torque provided by a turbocharged engine. In current configuration the Veloster turbo makes use of a standard six-speed automatic while the naturally aspirated automatic versions use a DCT.

“(we want) to have in the end a DCT which is able to transform 350Nm (of torque) which the current application is not able to.”

Although the engine is likely to be very similar to that found in the Veloster Turbo, Hahn confirmed that Kia engineers are able to modify the turbocharger, compressor and timing in order to have an influence on peak performance and low-end torque.

In case you’re wondering, the Kia pro_cee’d is ‘officially’ not on the cards for Australia at this moment, but given the branding opportunity that a performance hot hatch would bestow on Kia’s local operations, the possibility of the Slovakian made model heading to local showrooms is rather realistic.


 

  • Realist

    Bring it Kia, this would help your image immensely.

  • Wile E Coyote

    I think I would rather have the auto Veloster than this with DCT

    • Tangible

      Their DCT couldn’t handle with Turbo torque….so keep dreaming.  

      • bd

        Did you not read the article?

        Hyundai/Kia are developing a DCT that can handle the great torque – so it won’t be a dream much longer.

  • Perky123

    this looks amazing… keep em coming Kia!!

  • Pauly

    Kia Australia need to change their attitudes to not importing European made Kia’s.

    The Ceed Wagon and this Pro Ceed look awesome!

    150kw for $30K? Yes Please!

    • Still a FWD

       Or you can have a toy 86 147kw with proper RWD chassis for under $30K, your choice.

      • Wile E Coyote

        If you can get an 86 or Sub

        • Pauy

          except the waiting list is huge.

      • Still a hairdressers car

        What? The 86 with barely more torque than a Civic/Cerato/Lancer, etc.? That you have to thrash over 4000 rpm all the time to milk what precious torque is available? Then if you don’t trash it, you’re just as slow as the rest of the 2L cars. RWD is pointless for day to day driving. 90% of the time it makes no difference.

        • Dave W

          By your logic, no city dweller needs a AWD either since it drives pretty much the same as FWD and RWD in “day to day driving”, and yet people do buy those cars.

          RWD car drivers share the same taste as those bikers, the winding mountain roads. That’s where the most fun can be had, and the 86 reign supreme in its price range.

          • Still a hairdressers car

            Let’s face it, how often do we really take our cars out to mountain road or a race track? Not very often. 

            The main reason you’d take the 86 is if you wanted to mod it. If not for most people, this sort of FWD hot hatch is just as good.

          • Dave W

            If you’re just talking about day to day commute to and from work, how often do you tap the full 150+ kW? So why do people need to buy performance car?

            The main reason to buy an 86 is not just to mod it. The main reason is the handling, but I can understand why many people don’t get it. To them, it’s all about power.

            I’ve almost rear ended these hot hatch drivers a few times because they slowed right down when they get to a corner and roundabout, too damn slow.

          • Still a hairdressers car

            It’s not all about power. It’s about having suitable power for the type of car it is. What is the point of having that awesome handling if you have to flog the engine the whole time. It gets old.

            I’ll bet it’d be used quite a lot. Having driven a E46 330i for a fair bit, the 170kw it had was nice and very usable day to day. So I can’t see how the 155kw 260Nm of a hot hatch somehow would’t be usable like you seem to think.

            If you get a RWD “performance” car a least have the cajones to back it up otherwise you appreciate the full potential of the handling. 

            If you like a good handling car that takes 8 seconds to 100, then by all means. But don’t criticise us because we like cars with a bit more usable power, than outright handling. Bringing back to my point, day to day driving, these cars are plenty good.

          • Huwtm

            No argument about the fun from a rear driver, but we’re talking two different things here. I can tell you a good driver can have just as much fun in a well sorted front driver as a rear. And go just as fast. As for the 86, in particular, I’ve never driven one, but I’ve been inside one and it is CRAMPED and uncomfortable. Not built for tall westerners. I really like this Kia and I hope they bring it here with all the bells and whistles. It’s hard to believe that Kia and Hyundai are related when you look at their cars. Veloster next to this looks very amateurish and over done. By the way, did you get the comment about the auto “3 speed” very last century 

          • Still a FWD

            Sorry, I don’t agree with your statement. In my opinion, even a good driver cannot have as much fun in a well sorted front driver as a rear.

            The reason is that for a front wheel drive, to induce oversteer via liftoff or braking means you need to carry speed in the first place. Nice when you have speed to trade, frustrating when you don’t.

            Whereas with a rear wheel drive, oversteer can be induced from stationary. The level of adjustability is more diverse, giving you more choices when and how you like to approach your favourite corner. This makes the driving potentially more challenging and rewarding, hence more fun as a result.

            Having said that, I do agree driving anything from RenaultSport can be a lot of fun. But for now anyway, I can’t imagine enjoying a drive in a Kia, no matter how good it looks.

          • Huwtm

            Still a FWD, I agree with everything you wrote. But the rarity of RWD means you have to find you fun some where, which means preferably a powerful well sorted car you can tip into corners and come out under throttle  FWD and RWD are totally different driving styles, and I’d never say FWD is better, but can still be fun, maybe not as much. It does depend on the car. I wouldn’t include a Korean in that.   

  • ANF

    They have to bring either a turbo variant of the new K3 Koup (cerato Koup) or this. I think this is one of the best looking hatches I’ve see in a while. If they bring this and a turbo version of the new koup (which lets face it already looks great) a lot of people will consider buying them. A turbo Rio would also be a nice addition to the australian market. There on a roll as it is, they just need to conquer the last stage.

  • Legnab

    Good one kia, much better looking than the hump back whale hundi veloshi .

  • Stagger Lee

    Too bad the veloster turbo can’t put any of its power down, so this won’t be able to either. Drove the veloster not long ago. Given the amount of power it produces it was immensely dissapointing. It got smoked by a N/A VR Lancer.

    • Noddy of Toyland

      Haha really? I want to hear an honest review of it since we can’t really get one here, as Hyundai probes Caradvice’s anus. Tell me more.
       

  • Ted

    KIA are just great cars and othe manufactures will be put on notice.  Keep bringing out great models as they are great..

  • Homer

    yeah I think whether people want to admit it or not, Kia has “leapfrogged”many of its competitor. Just a little teeny weeny behind Volkswagen in dashboard material and design. Should get there eventually in a relatively short period of time.

    • trololololol

      Try owning a vw for over 5 years and watch that “premium” dashboard make more noise than a bull being castrated….true story i swear!

      • Sumpguard

          Yes I have heard similar complaints regarding noisy dashboards in VW’s. Even in a brand new car reviewed recently. You’d think that the “soft touch” dashboards their fans rave about would be quieter than the hard plastic that they can in other brands!

             My KIA has no dash rattles and has been on some very ordinary roads. “Motoring reporter chimes in “yeah but it’s not a golf” !   ;)

            Google …” vw golf dashboard rattle”  

             You’ll see trololololol isn’t actually trolololololing!!  There are forums full of owners with the same issues.

        • Stuffed Gasket

          The harness of the outer plastic has little or no bearing on dash squeaks and rattles, it’s all got to do with how the interior panels have been engineered and built.

          Stupid comment Sumpguard

          • Neal65

            No you just took it out of context. The vw fanbois in here keep banging on about the quality of their soft plastic dashes and yet they are plagued with issues. Rigid plastics like those in my kia are certainly more likely to rattle when in contact with another hard surface than two soft plastics rubbing together and yet I have no such issues.

            Not sure how you read it wrong though. That’s just basic common sense.

          • Stuffed Gasket

            I had the misfourtune to own a Golf 5 some years ago.., without question the worst car I ever owned. VW are able to make the car look like a baby E Class, problem is this perception of quality is only skin deep, where it matters the car was a failure. Mechanical and electrical issues, high running costs… After 3 years I had enough and sold it.

      • Golfschwein

        I went nearly six years. Quiet as a mouse.

        • Legnab

          After 3 golfs never heard of that complaint , my neighbours optima is a dissappointment for him , crappy plastics showing true colours after a year , typical asian low rent interiors , all show no life .

          • Robin_Graves

            More unicorn tales, a Golf without rattles and still on the same engine and box with no electrical gremlins.  True deluded fanbois.

          • Golfschwein

            Sorry to disappoint. No, truly, I actually am trooley, wooley absolutely and utterly sorry. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart.

          • Robin_Graves

            Is the same line you spun when you went skulking on your knees for the Falcon? 

          • Glenn59

            How do you know your right about your facts Robyn?

            The simple fact is that nobody except the car maker knows exactly how widespread a problem with a car is.  Far more people complain about a problem on the internet than sing a cars praises. Volkswagon sell over 8 MILLION cars per year world wide.  Even if a tiny percentage of cars going wrong is going to leave a lot of unhappy customers positng complaints.

            I engage with other car enthusiast of all colours and I have yet to find an unhappy Volkswagon owner.  I am not saying they do not exist, just that they are a lot less common than you seem to think? 

            Remember no car is immune from problems, even a Toyota.  Approximately a third of the new Toyota 86′s are now experiencing top end problems in the motors and many will require total rebuilds. Toyota is considering having a recall.   Modern Cars are complex devices meeting ever tougher demands from legislators and buyers.  All of them have problems but most are fine.  Get some balance and stop showing an inability to judge an issue objectively.    

          • Sumpguard

            Go do a google before spinning your tripe again Bungplug. I found it incredibly odd that you have never heard of it yet the very VW forums which I know you frequent are full of complaints!

               Also it’s very convenient that your neighbour’s Optima has suddenly developed all sorts of dashboard issues.One’s that you failed to mention until now despite having “driven their car” . Credibility ZERO!

          • Legnab

            Touchy sumpy , more trolls on forums than here , KIA is nothing special when it comes to interior quality .

  • trololololol

    C’mon kia! Enter WRC! You will build a legion of fans i promise!

  • Dave W

    Pro_cee’d… The car that Golf VII should’ve looked like.

    Kia needs to drop these funny names though.

    • Glenn59

      I agree it is a nice looking car but it has 2 major minuses when compared to the syling of the Golf:
      1.  Rear vison looks poor
      2. It will look dated in 2 years time

      • Dave W

        1. Poor rear vision? You mean like the CR-Z, Megane RS250, Scirocco, and any other 2 door hatches out there?

        2. Dated in 2 years? As opposed to the Golf VII backside that already looks dated before it’s even available?

        • Glenn59

          1.  A comparison of all the light cars on the market had the Golf as having the best rear vision.  To me this is an important issue – modern cars are full of blind spots compared to what I grew up with. 

          2.  I don’t know how fair you were being comparing a 2 door coupe with a VW hatchback but I would suggest that if you are talking about a cars appearance staying  contemporary VW must be convincing most people as it it remains of the World best selling cars.  Old Euro cars often become classics, I do not see thi shappening to a Korean car anytime soon? 

          • Dave W

            1. I honestly can’t remember the last time I saw a 2-door Golf. Plenty of 4-door hatches with good rear visibility.

            2. I’m comparing this Kia Pro_cee’d  to the new 2013 Golf VII GTI in the other article which showed a 2-door version. And this Kia is a hatchback so I think it’s pretty fair.

            The Golf may be great in many aspects, but styling wise, it’s as bland as any other average hatchbacks. It wouldn’t matter how contemporary it looks, noone will give it a second glance anyway. And it becomes the best selling hatch because of its efficient perfomance and great handling, not looks.

            As for being a classic, the Koreans are relatively new in this game and they’ve only recently shed their reputation of being “cheap and cheerful” car manufacturers.

            Looks alone doesn’t turn a car into a classic, and none of the current Korean cars are particularly great in terms of performance and handling, so I also don’t see any of them becoming a classic anytime soon. Doesn’t mean they won’t though. At the speed they’re going, maybe within a decade they’ll make a classic.

          • Huwtm

            I agree with just about all of what you wrote dave. Problem, with “classic” status is that no matter how it looks, a car needs something under the skin too. I really like what’s happening at Kia, but the engines leave a little to be desired so do the artificial kw ratings. But thias car is currently nly carrying a 1.4 and 1.6 in Europe. No where near enough for it’s size or this country

  • JHP

    i can see a lot of vw scirocco.

  • Stumpy

    What a stupid name for a car. An utterly meaningless and invented word and they can’t even get the punctuation right. I could imagine those silly enough to buy one would spend so much time having to explain what the name is or how to pronounce it. You never have that trouble with Camry, Civic, 135i, Falcon, Golf, E350, Sorrento or just about any other car.

    • Still a hairdressers car

      “utterly meaningless” 

      Cee’d has more meaning behind it than the majority of the car names out there. It’s an acronym for Community of Europe and European Design, which took on the job of designing the first generation model. The apostrophe is superfluous though.

      Do yourself a favour and perform a little research before making such uneducated comments in the future.

      • Stumpy

        “Community of Europe and European Design”

        I think you’re making that up. I can’t find any reference to this community. Even if you aren’t, it is still a stupid name and why would it mention Europe twice? Do us all a favour and provide some reference for your assertions before making such gratuitous insults.

    • Huwtm

      I’m glad you’re kidding, other wise I’d really be wondering about what’s between your ears. By the way, these cars are called Cerato in other countries. Not so hard to explain that huh?

      • Stumpy

        From my uninterested perspective, I believe that the Cerato and the one with the silly name were different cars. Maybe the same running gear, but certainly different styling.The Cerato is called the Forte in most markets and the one with the stupid name is a European model only. That explanation wasn’t so hard now, was it? I don’t know why you think I’m kidding about the stupid name and you also could do without the gratuitous insults.

        • Huwtm

          The Cerato as we know it is being replaced by this car, (3 door hatch maybe not) but aside from names and places of manufacture, a Cerato by any other name is still the same body shape. If you have such disinterest, maybe you shouldn’t have left such an inane comment earlier. But even in this publication (not this story) and many others have said that this car will replace the Cerato. I’m only passing on what I have read. Just as a reference, one of those was, the Top Gear website. This is an interesting website but they do make their fair share of price prophecy and car future and present mistakes. Of course all the others could be wrong but, we’ll see soon enough.

  • guesst

    “good looking car”, it doesn’t mean “good car”
    since kia came out with a nice design, it seems like a lot of people assume that kia is a really good car

    • Dave W

      Why the hate on Korean cars? Noone’s suggesting that Kia or Hyundai is as good as the Euro cars in terms of handling and performance, but the features that come standard with their cars can give the Euros run for their money, and the fact that their warranty is 5 years with unlimited kilometres shows how they stand behind their cars. Together with their good looks, it’s more than enough reason for many people to call them “good cars”.

      So how do you define “good car”?

      • F1orce

        Yeah Kia and Hyundai are good on paper..

        But in  reality they’re SH**T and sub-par. 

        The European & Japanese are simply superior 

        And this is coming from an ex Hyundai fanboy 

    • bd

       Kia’s European lineup has gotten better reviews than Toyota’s Euro lineup – so there’s that.