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Mercedes-Benz hopes for DTM-style Asia-Pacific race series

By Jez Spinks |
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Mercedes-Benz could race officially in a local touring car championship if it were to evolve into a racing series similar to the German ‘DTM’ version, say company insiders.

The German car maker has refused to give official backing to the entry of three Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG cars that will be run by Erebus Motorsport in the 2013 V8 Supercars series.

Mercedes’ performance division AMG will be paid by Erebus to develop the E-Class racers and the 5.0-litre V8 that will power them.

It could take the departure of Holden and Ford, however, for Mercedes to consider a full factory effort, which has expressed a reluctance to be involved in the series despite persistent rumours. Mercedes-Benz Australia had also initially rejected Erebus’s proposal to enter the sport before giving its “blessing”.

“The current [V8 Supercars] race series is not really our demographic,” a Mercedes AMG source told CarAdvice. “If we win, [fans will say] we won because we are rich Germans. If we lose, it will be a case of ‘We beat the Germans’. So it’s a bit of a no-win situation.

“But with the likes of Nissan and Erebus joining, there’s an opportunity for the race series to ultimately become a bit of an Asia-Pacific DTM.

“There’s lots of potential for the race series to become an international race series, which is something that can’t be done with Holden and Ford involved.

“In a year or two, Ford or Holden may not be involved. When Ford loses the rear-drive Falcon what are they going to do? Run a front-wheel-drive Taurus?”

The AMG source says while it’s understandable there are reservations from Mercedes-Benz about getting officially involved, both AMG and its racing division spin-off HWA are “enormously enthusiastic” about the V8 Supercars challenge.

The E-Class racers will have to comply with the new Car of the Future regulations that come into effect in 2013 and were deliberately created to reduce racing costs and to encourage more brands to enter the sport.

The Mercedes cars will share key components such as rear-wheel-drive chassis and 18-inch Dunlop tyres with other competing cars that will include Ford Falcons, Holden Commodores and Nissan Altimas, with each differentiating themselves with bulked-up body shells based on the showroom cars.

Nissan was first to break the Ford-Holden duopoly when it announced earlier this year it would join the 2013 V8 Supercars series.

“From a technical standpoint this is a new challenge for AMG and HWA,” our source said. “For starters, we’re creating a new engine – a 5.0-litre from the 6.3-litre V8.

“And yes the Car of the Future regulations mean there’s control tyres and a control chassis, but there are always lots of ways within rules to make yourself more competitive.

“The most important component of the car will obviously remain the driver, but there might be something that might give you an extra half a per cent of performance. And AMG and HWA will be challenged to find this for Erebus.”

The insider joked that the team may have to bolt a door to the front of the E-Class bodywork because the showroom sedan has a slippery drag co-efficient but the race car must comply with rules that require aerodynamic parity between the cars.

The team is exploring the use of Formula One-style paddleshift levers mounted behind the steering wheel for gearchanges but admits it’s uncertain whether the final rules will permit it as an alternative to the normal sequential levers down by the driver’s hand.

HWA is also developing a safety cell and cage it says could set the standard for structural safety in the sport while remaining within the rules.

Erebus Motorsport is financed by Betty Saunders-Klimenko, the colourful daughter of the late Westfield co-founder John Saunders. The team is looking to complete a full buy-out of the Stone Brothers Racing team with which it has formed an alliance with for the 2013 season.

 


 

  • pixxxels

    I think everyone is hoping for this…

    The Commodore Cup is getting tiresome. Hopefully the addition of new manufacturers will spice things up, though I’d love to see a DTM-style deal here.

    • Fairlane

      DTM is boring and are over aeroed carbon fiber go karts.

    • Zaccy16

      yeah i definatly hopping for it!

  • Shak

    SO what they’re really saying is “we are way too good to race with the likes of competitors who can do what we do for less than half the price”. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=737660467 Kit Ho

      What? Put brand stickers on what are essentially identical cars and create an artificial rivalry in a duopoly ‘motorsport competition’? Yeah MB are too good for that.

      • Shak

        They dont want to compete because of the Image Ford and Holden have. In the real world both Ford and Holden can make RWD V8 performance cars for much less than any German Marque and for significantly less.

    • Fairlane

      Yes that is what they are saying.

    • Guest

       The AMG and HWA people are still racers at heart and appear to relish the challenge. That’s good for everyone.

      But let’s not have a Deutsche Tankstopp Masters clone. That’s more boring than our local championship.

  • Robin_Graves

    It would be great to see MB join the series and I can understand why they are hesitant but I think some of the comments are way off the mark.  For beginners, there is no reason why Holden and Ford cant run in an expanded series – the Commodore is going back to the US as the SS and is already sold in the Middle East as the Lumina.  If the Falcon is wound up in a few years it doesnt really make much difference as look at Nascar, they have RWD Taurus and Camrys – the Fusion is just a skin over the control chassis. The Altima is FWD anyway in stock form. Pretty silly remarks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

      Well said, looking forward to some great racing.

    • Huwtm

      Taking a wider view, a lot of people myself included want more relevant racing. Cars racing on their on chassis for a start.  How about modern engines with multi cams and and suspension that is at least the same design as the road car. Just a few things if allowed would bring more manufacturers into the race. Essential undo the outlawing of faster better handing cars. Remember the Skylines. The idea is if you aren’t fast enough improve you car, don’t kick the faster cars out or knobble them, that’s how the V8s started and unless they can open their minds to an old way of doing things that’s how they will end.

  • super_hans

    There’s a smarmy smugness in this insiders comments that don’t sit well with me. It’s a race series, you’ve either got the guts and technical ability to compete or you don’t. Ford proved 50 years ago with the GT40 that there are no class barriers on the racetrack

    • trololololol

      Totally agree! Race cars dont have the expensive special rare wild moose leather interiors etc and aren’t built to a price/profit point that road cars are. Once the Erebus car wins a few races (if they do) then you watch Mercedes Benz jump on the bandwagon and say “Oh we are so proud of OUR car blah blah blah etc”

  • Jase

    What a knob the Merc bloke is by saying….  When Ford loses the rear-drive Falcon what are they going to do? Run a front-wheel-drive Taurus?”….

    Well Mr stuck up Merc knob: 
    Nissan are using a Front Wheel Drive V6 ”Altima” as there base car for there V8 supercar racer, so i cant see why Ford couldnt use whatever FWD car is in there range if they bloody well like!
    Same goes for Holden, If they wanted to they could use the Cruze or even the soon to be released Malibu in a few years time as there base car for the V8 series. Underneath theyd still be the same “control” chassis/Mechanicals as they will use next year for there current shape falcon and commodore racers.

  • Galverstone

    Is there any chance you can better identify the ‘Mercedes AMG source’? Is this source located in Australia or Germany, are the a representitive of MB Australia or a dealership employee?

    Obviously any maker that wants to enter based on a FWD bodyshell can, so the comments sound dimwitted to me. I undertand why Benz might be hestant to get involved in the first season of the new rules, and even the Benz press releases are pretty blunt about no official involvement, but these remarks just don’t sound like anything an employee in an official AMG role would say.

  • Sydlocal

    I don’t follow Ford or Holden and instead barrack for drivers so I don’t really care about the “brand wars”(I use the term “brand” very loosely considering the type of formula it is) , however “the source” sounds like an elitist tool with those inappropriate comments and deserves to get beaten.

  • Dave S

    People love seeing Holden vs Ford. But they also come to see the best teams and some great racing. Surely, MB know they provide great racing. An MB COTF would look much better than the over the top DTM racers, also it will introduce MB to E85 fuel.

  • trololololol

    Hey CardAdvice! Who is this MB Source who made these “official” comments??? Sounds more like the opinion of some guy at a local MB dealership than an official statement from MB senior staff.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Pete-Petrass/1299968544 Pete Petrass

    Although I have always been a Holden racing fan, and sit and watch Bathurst all day every year, the old Ford and Holden thing is getting a bit boring.   Just look at the sales figures and it is not hard to realise that big Falcons and Commodores are a dying breed and probably won’t be around for much longer.   personally I think the MB guy is spot on and would love to see a DTM type series take over here, which could also be international.   For example some should take the time to have a look at the British touring car series with Opels, Renaults, Peugeots, BMWs, MBs etc.   They have some really exciting and hard core racing which would generate heaps more interest here.   We should be moving with the times and embracing the future.

  • davrt

    And just in time. Ford & Commodore’s have become irrelevant in todays society to all those except government fleet buyers and a small percentage of ocher bogans with no teeth and tatoos who think pushrods are state of the art technology. Somebody please dig Ford & Holden a grave, quickly…

    • VeryWellEducated

       The falcon runs a quad cam V8 so get your facts straight.

      • Huwtm

        He was talking running 5 lt pushrod V8s in racing, so his facts are right. Fact is that both big cars on the road are almost niche cars now so few people are buying them.

  • Richard

    I think your “source” is talking rubbish! The COTF rules mean there is a common chassis and roll cage, so it’s not possible for MB to develop their own safety cell and cage design! Quite apart from that, only the engine and bod panels and aero kit are being developed in Germany, the actual chassis is being constructed by SBR in Australia and 2 chassis are already complete.

    Maybe Car Advice should fact check the information their “source” is giving them before printing, I mean, how hard would it be to pick up the phone to Ross Stone and ask the question?

    Shouldn’t be surprised though, this site has always been an amature hour for journalism

    • Richard

      Also paddle shifters were explored in the COTF program but rejected, all teams must use the stick shifter, this is already 100% locked in, so this is another area were this “insider” is talking total rubbish.