why not go straight to “blue ray” disks???

going further costs more money and time.
if they spent oodles on taking the emissions 5 steps ahead of the targets, the cost of the falcon may go up by like 5K

ford even says achieving euro IV today is easier and cheaper to do than when the originally announced cutting the engine.

why buy a rear projector telly 5 years ago when LCD is all the rage now??
did you buy an LCD when they first came out for like 10K

also do you realise that if its not a dedicated LPG, that your instrumentation wont work???
no fuel guage, no Dist till empty etc.
on the dedicated falcon all of that still works,
on a dual fueld vehicle, you only get 4 Leds.

Dedicated fuel isnt near as much a compromise as dual fuel.
thats why im a fan of dedicated, but no so much dual.

big difference between the 2 in my eyes

I find that a Dual fuel system is more of a compromise than dedicated fuel system.

you wont get an LPG tank and petrol tank under every ute.

you may get both under a Jap ute, but some of them lose the towbar and certainly the spare tyre becomes a tray bound item.
dedicated LPG will see spare tyre and all totally under the tray.

and on emergency fuel, i reckon they would be better off coming up with some sort od emergency canister that you could refuel roadside with, perhaps even if the RACQ had on for starters.
but with that if you run out of fuel you have to wait for roadservice (typiclly), and if you run out of LPG you also have to wait for roadservice, but instead tell them that you ran out of LPG so they can send a different unit to tow you to the nearest service station.

the way i see it, you wont eliminate the tuning compromise until you have a dedicated fuel.
the commodore came out with a more advanced system than the falcons LPG system, yet it still couldnt match let alone beat the economy of the old tech LPG falcon.

and on fuel contamination,
less chance of that happening with LPG.
sure it happened, but very rare.
no different to all the unleaded contaminations that take place and appear on today tonight every second night.

at least when the LPG comtamination was found down south there, action was taken and someone took responsibility declaring remuneration for repairs.

if unleaded contamination takes place, all you get is a camera shot on today tonight of some dodgy looking Indian running away from the camera.

Im an LPG fan, and yes i agree fords system could be so much better (and will be as of Jan ’09, about time), but what i am not is a dual fuel fan.
how can an engine be optimised to run on 2 fuels with different characteristics efficiently???

All 4 of my reasons are valid for not choosing LPG
You should read my post again mate.
Take note especially where I mention the ‘boot’.
Until I don’t lose space in that part of the car, I’m not interested.
That is why I am looking at a territory or ute.
And even with Dual Fuel I wont be having my tank in the tray, it will be underneath where it belongs! As it it usually!

Yes I prefer Dual Fuel for 2 reasons
1. Remember the contamination issues a couple of months ago? Its always good to have a back up!
2. Also I like having the extra 500km or so range from dual fuel for my big trips.

I am not knocking Ford at all, I am one of their biggest advocates amongst my mates, however before i buy a sedan with a gas tank, I want my compromises fixed, and also wouldn’t mind a small emergency 25 litres sub tank for petrol too! This goes for all manufacturers!

is toyotas current donk GUARANTEED for ever??
is it even Guaranteed for half of the time that the IU6 is now Guaranteed for??

Holden will probably go through another V6 donk before the I6′s guaranteed time line comes through.

8 years gives tham a hell of a lot more time to try and plan this motor into more and more things to guarantee its future well past 2015.

Well done Marin Burela,
i look forward to more great and hard fought decisions.

now would you bring the Kuga here to plaese NM???

good riddens to the basketballing waffle eating yankees that previously held the reins

I knew this bloke would actually care once i read his CV.
With him being Australian alone showed he might actually care about this countries operatioins

Richo,
do you honestly think LPG isnt as safe as petrol??
come on mate, get off it.
For starters an LPG vehicle is easier and safer to fuel. it has a sealed coupling that ensures no spills and less fumes escaping compared to petrol.
Oh, and in case you didnt know, the smell you get from LPG is only because they add that smell to it so you had a leak, you could smell it.
if LPG was pretty dangerous, we would see barbecues blowing up all over australia. I know autogas is slightly different to your typical BBQ gas, but its essentially the same for arguments sake.
Also, how do you know no one is buying the E-Gas falcons??
WRONG…….
fords percentage of E-Gas to petrol models has increased quite substantially.

Alec,
the only valid reason you have for not having chosen dedicated LPG is that you prefer Dual fuel.
with dedicated, you wont get an LPG tank in the tray of that ute you were eyeing off. they actually put the LPG tank where the petrol tank would normally be

LPG performance isnt related to whether its dedicated or not, its related to what brand of system you are running.

potential problems with mixer types??
well Taxis have always used this system and apparently prefer it because its basic and proven. and on top of that, if something does go wrong, its cheap as chips to fix.
the taxis have always used the system that ford still currently uses. the brand starts with a “V”, the name slips my mind.

what may be a surprise to many is that when ford introduced the dedicated LPG in AU11, it was only down by about 10kw, BUT it picked up 8NM??? of torque.
and on top of that it reached its 100% torque at around 1000RPM lower, also the power was also reached quite a bit lower in the range.

as far as drving LPG goes, the main difference is in the high end of the rev range (as already touched on).
because LPG reaches its power earlier, it struggles around 4500-5000RPM.
that is where the big difference can be felt.

ford hasnt put anything (well bugger all) into their LPG system over the years, whereas they have with the petrol equivalent.
its more a case of the Petrol falcon being advanced, but the LPG not so. Perhaps they didnt want to spend much on it as most LPG’ers go to fleets anyway.
I also know there was legal issues preventing Injected LPG coming on board earlier

The 4-liter is a great engine, robust and LPG-ready. Although some people are still sceptic with this form of fuel due to conversion issues, contaminated supply from some stations, and the fact that it doesn’t work together with new technology like stability control and cylinder shutoff. I would probably say the E-Gas should get the current spec engine and at least a 5-speed auto.

Egas is still very economical to run and given power is only down towards redline is still ok but not as good as it could be.

My egas au ute with 270,000klms on it gets between 450 to 500 klms out of 80 litre tank around the sydney suburbs and better than 630klm on the highway sitting on 120kph.

Never had any probs with the egas system.