Comments on: Ford Engine Plant in Geelong to Stay

By: Bigmat

Bigmat — Fri, 08 May 2009 06:44:50 +0000

I just did a 2000 km drive over 2 days in my BF F6 Manual Typhoon, average economy 11.1 l/100 km for 82 km/h average (in NZ not easy to maintain a higher average). Actually for the first 1700 km it was averaging 10.5 l/100 km Average speed 76 km/h, it was just a spirited drive for the last 300 k’s. I think the I6 is the best method of meeting users needs in real world driving conditions. BTW ain’t those Commy v8’s still pushrod 2V engines with basic design dating back to 1955, they honestly go alright all things considered.
But I still want I6 Turbos in my future.

By: matt

matt — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:30:17 +0000

thinkin about a DI 2010 F6.. yum, great to hear the engine will live on alittle bit longer, LPG xr6 for me when it comes :)

off topic question if anyone has any knowledge, the only engines i know of that have cylinder shutdown are american pushrods and honda’s SOHC 3.5, is there something stopping cylinder shutdown with DOCH setup’s? been trying to research it on the net but cant really find what im lookin for

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:42:56 +0000

Davo,
im firstly interested to see how much work they put into the LPG falcon with out the thought of hybrid tech.

I cant wait to see how much effort they have put into the E-Gas falcon when it is upgraded in jauary

The Last Word,
your figures mean nothing
real world testing shows the falcon drinking under 10L, and the accord over 10L
also even though the falcon seems to have less power, it is clearly faster than the Accord.
also what is not stated is the rev ranges for power and torque.
the falcon is easier to drive thanks to its massive torque advantage, coupled with the idle style revs it reaches it at.
the honda can keep its 7kw advantage because i am not fooled by a paper figure

By: TheLastWord

TheLastWord — Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:58:47 +0000

Honda website says the V6 Accord consumes 10.0L/100km

Falcon website says the XT Falcon consumes 10.5L/100km

(both of the above figures are with 5spd autos)

Now the falcon produces 195kW/391Nm
V6 Accord: 202kW/339Nm

The Accord supposedly has Variable Cylinder Management – well it sounds pretty underwhelming to me!

And Honda has nothing that comes even close to the XR6 Turbo which has 270kW and 11.7L/100km

By: Davo

Davo — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:56:38 +0000

This is speculation by me,but just wonder if an LPG hybrid using an all alloy 3.5l or 4.0l version of this engine is in the pipeline.
Hyundai have announced one & more will probably follow.
Given the government handout which will have strings attached & the stated objective to make “greener” vehicles,
something will give.

By: MacAttack

MacAttack — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:02:16 +0000

YYEEEEEHHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!!

By: Minnow

Minnow — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:21:38 +0000

Greeny, your right theres nothing interchangeable. The Filters used to be Z9 (Ryco) or AFL1 (motorcraft) up until the BA. But with the BF the changes to motor including lower idle, requiring changes to maintain oil pressure the filter was reduced in size and now is a Z516 filter. The only similarity is with a EA, the engine block itself is identical. For example a Head gasket used on a 3.9L can be used on a AUIII.

Misinformed numb-nuts please stop blurting out BS.

By: Greeny

Greeny — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:29:39 +0000

DOOF…..inferior I6 engine?? What is it inferior too exactly? Power torque economy refinement performance reliability…….gee what a crap engine !!!!! Do you drive a Holden?? From your comment you must be a Vibration Tech engine owner….VE V6 4 speed auto….now thats an inferior car !!!!1

By: Greeny

Greeny — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:24:36 +0000

how is the latest engine related to the 1960’s old pushrod engines? Why do people keep saying this ? It is so annoying and stupid. So its an inline 6 cyl internal combustion engine built in Geelong…..is this what they mean? I know there are no parts of the engine that are anywhere near the same exept maybe the oil filter so where is this relationship to the 60’s engine ?? all internal combustion engines are related to the 1876 Otto engine …….internal combustion engines are not a new idea !!

By: DOOF

DOOF — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:42:08 +0000

The REAL reason the inferior i6 lives is the current exchange rate has killed of the much more expensive US built V6.

Its a bean-counter decesion of which in this case the workers win which can only be good

Cheers

DOOF

By: Falcodore

Falcodore — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:05:11 +0000

Remember the 1st Wheels Handling Olympics Realcars, the 1st gen 6 out-classed everything including their benchmark car the BMW 335 and the 2nd gen 6 has only improved on that so be careful what you say about handling/braking etc. Guess we’ll have to wait for the next WHO to find out where they all place. Lets hope the falcons up there with the best but i suspect its brakes might let it down.

By: Falcodore

Falcodore — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:44:54 +0000

Realcars, you are comparing a RWD family car to a Fwd mid-size car which is not smart IMO. I was talking about build quality etc, for example, my sisters BA GTP (2004 i think) has plastic bits coming loose, the leather seats are badly worn and its had its fair share of electrical and wheel alignment issues as well. Her ‘92 Mazda 626 V6 never had these issues or any mechanical problems and that car was abused. (missed services, driven through the Pillberra scrub etc)
Anyway i’d take a Mazda or Honda over a Camrion or any Toyota anyday!
BTW i am proud of what Ford OZ have achieved with the FG and Holden with the VE for that matter, if i was in the market for a family car my choice would probably be the G6E turbo, very nice car.

By: wizzy

wizzy — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:31:11 +0000

should****

By: wizzy

wizzy — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:29:58 +0000

The best Australian engine ever. This thing is an Aussie legend and great to see that it will still be here powering one of the best value cars around the world. Detroit should sit up and take notice of this engine that can trace its roots back to the 60’s because its a hell of alot better than any other engine in their line up. This engine is one of the best ford has in its global line up and shouls install it in other products. This engine has proven that it can stand the test of time and km’s. LONG LIVE THE AUSSIE INLINE 6!!!!!

By: zahmad

zahmad — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:39:58 +0000

Good on them….keep the grandpa’s ax alive!

By: Cupid Stunt aka No Name

Cupid Stunt aka No Name — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:04:18 +0000

Andrew – Hiya dude.
I’m a bit anti the Euro thing. seems we pay a lot of taxes for those nobbers to decide how bent our bananas should be then ten years on see how stupid they have been and decide to recind the regulations.
As for globalisation – nah that sucks, do your own thing look after numero uno. Cultures are different all over the world, Aussies are different to pohms and yanks. Oh shucks you boys knocked us out the Rugby league world cup, well done, enjoy more champagne

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:32:09 +0000

Cupid,
Get amongst the champagne my friend, we enjoy our cars here in OZ

Euro references??
well didnt you know the whole world gets bent over the same way??
Even though they reference it to Euro standards, we still have to comply.
Welcome to globalisation………
You can put the Champagne away for that welcoming though.

By: Cupid Stunt aka No Name

Cupid Stunt aka No Name — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:38:24 +0000

Woo – you lot are exicted about this. Good news I guess but what I don’t really get is why Euro IV references. Europe don’t even get this engine. However most competitors are currently supplying EuroV engines and some are not far away from Euro VI.

Still good news for all those families who have connections with the plant. Turkey at xmas it will be.

By: Stav

Stav — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:48:15 +0000

Hey HSV ive got an FPV ill be happy to run you any day ill pink slip ya. Im up for it are you?? im serious.

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:59:32 +0000

Realcars, isnt it funny how the sun shines on ford Aus whenever an australian is in charge………….

in the gap from where polites left, till when the new chief Bruela took hold,
some ordinary things had happened to ford Australia.

BA,BF and territory was all under polites, and brought forward the staret of an awesome new product range.

now we have another australian on board to oversee the next major falcon range development. Phew…..

imagine of basketball and waffles stuck around to to oversee the new RWD platform currently in development……..