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Nissan Leaf, Holden Volt: war of words over local EVs

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An electric vehicle grand battle is looming as Holden and Nissan trade barbs over their green machines in Australia.

Visiting Australia last week, Nissan global vice president Andy Palmer told CarAdvice the real acid test for full electric cars such as his company’s Nissan Leaf comes next year when production starts in the US and UK in addition to Japan.

However, Holden president Mike Devereux told CarAdvice that the Holden Volt, which has 87km of electric range and a back-up petrol generator to extend the range to 600km, has already won the fight.

“The debate over the configuration of the electric car is over. Over,” Devereux said.

“We have 60 per cent share of the electric car market. I think the adoption rate of pure electric vehicles in the US shows that range anxiety is still a big issue.”

The Leaf has a range of around 170km, but doesn’t have a petrol generator and can only be recharged by plugging in.

When asked about Volt outselling Leaf in the US, Palmer rolled his eyes and said: “Don’t read too much press.”

“Somehow or other we get compared month on month with the Volt in the United States. Volt sells in the United States and hardly anywhere else and Leaf sells all over the world,” Palmer said.

“For most of last year our monthly sales were ahead of Volt and a few months this year it has been behind, in the United States.”

“We have sold 45,000 Leafs globally, so it terms of overall sales the (pure) EV is way ahead.”

Palmer said that, in his opinion, the Volt isn’t even a proper electric vehicle.

“Volt is a plug-in hybrid, if you wanted to be kind it is a range extender,” he said.

“All of our emphasis is, does it have a tailpipe? If it has a tailpipe it is a hybrid, if it doesn’t then it is an electric car.”

The Volt will arrive in Australian showrooms this November with an asking price of $59,990. Nissan’s Leaf is already on sale here, costing $51,500.

Palmer admitted the Leaf had not sold as well as Nissan was expecting last year.

”We had a few problems, not least an earthquake, that’s for sure,” he said.

“We are limited on what we can make right now, we are limited to 40,000 cars a year and they are all made in Japan.”

Sourcing from Japan meant Nissan had a “yen issue”, which affected profitability.

“From September this year we start manufacturing in the United States and from February next year we start manufacturing in the United Kingdom,” he said.

“That does two things: it lifts up capacity but it also gets you out of a yen-based currency.”

Palmer said that once these two extra plants were up and running, the true potential of electric vehicles can be seen.

“The acid test of whether you can sell on mass, an electric car, comes next year frankly,” he said.

Sourcing from the US and UK would not bring the price per car down, but would allow Nissan to bring in additional grades at a lower price and broaden the appeal of the Leaf. The company is aiming to sell 150,000 of them next year.

While Devereux thinks range anxiety is a major blocker for many potential EV customers, Palmer said the data Nissan collects from all the Leafs on the road suggests people don’t need endless range.

“Most people buy the car as a second car and buy very high specification, but the car ends up getting used as a first car,” he said.

“The ICE (regular internal combustion engine) car gets used for the occasional trip to see Aunt Alice every few months, but the daily grind vehicle is the electric vehicle. That’s perfect from a CO2 point of view, from a pollutant point of view.”

The Nissan-Renault company has bold plans to sell 1.6 million EVs by 2016, banking on the ability to bring down the price of batteries with large production volumes.

It is planning to introduce a small Infiniti EV sedan, called the LE, as well as an all-electric delivery van called the NV and a new city car EV in the next two years.


 

  • PIZZA

    plug-in hybrid cars is the future….park inside the garage when u back home, hook it up and ready for use the next day morning.

    • Andrew Fries

       … unless you live in the city and don’t have a garage. And unless you never use your car for anything other than a commute to work because if you want to go out of the city for on a weekend and you live in a city like Sydney you can forget it: one charge will just about get you to the edge of the suburbs and back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/alexander.sambuco Alexander Sambuco

    EV tech has a long way to go, but in saying that it has already come a long way. The Volt in my opinion is in a different class than the Leaf. The Volt fills the middle ground. It allows electric only for short trips but allows users to go long distances without having to recharge. The Leaf seems like it is only meant for going to the shops and work, not the family holiday. The Volt and Leaf are both improving ‘electric’ vehicles and also helping to bring down battery and electric motor prices.

    • MattW

      The Volt IS in a different class – the plug-in hybrid class

  • Shak

    They can play semantics all they like, but for today’s buyer, and for the mass market the Volt seems like the better choice. To most people for whom a car is just transport, the technology in a Volt will be more familiar and more usable day to day. The early adopters wont have a problem with either car because they actually WANT one. Your average buyer just wants something cheap, fuel efficient and relatively good looking. The Volt has two of those in the bag, with the price issue expected to come down in a few years time, when who knows, GM may have a hydrogen powered E-REV ready.

    Either way, both cars are great feats of engineering, but the Volt is the better car for more people at the moment.

  • Noddy of Toyland

    Why not buy a Prius C for the environment, and an 86 to actually drive, and ignore these compromised hatchbacks?

    • Michael Lock

      couldn’t agree more, should be able to get both for $60,000

  • horsie

    Why have nissan make the leaf with a engine cover that resembles a valve cover ?
    You would think they would want to emphasize the unique electric only motor.

  • Andrew Fries

    “Somehow or other we get compared month on month with the Volt in the United States” … well, duh. So we should measure sales of Volt in the States alone against Leaf’s sales all over the world – THAT is his idea of fair comparison?

  • Katia

    Typical GM arrogance. The Leaf and Volt are different types of vehicles and not direct competitors. What the Leaf does, it does well.

    • Edgar

       I agree with you Katia. Why do GM have to belittle other car manufacturers?

    • Edgar

       I agree with you Katia. Why do GM have to belittle other car manufacturers?

    • Edgar

       I agree with you Katia. Why do GM have to belittle other car manufacturers?

    • Edgar

       I agree with you Katia. Why do GM have to belittle other car manufacturers?

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Joash-Tan/100000351085371 Richard Joash Tan

      you are an arrogant troll