may i also point out again that toyota has been investigated for its tax paying habits or should i say their avoidance to do so……….
shifting profits to a country where lower taxes are paid is exactlly what they have done in the past.

I dont know why you keep reiterating that GM isnt profitable at the moment……
ive seen the headlines……..
I know you arent a fan of GM and neither am I, but it doesnt give one the right to harp on about it

May I again point out that Toyota pays tax in this country on profits, not elsewhere where tax rates may be cheaper. As to the tax evasion issue, obv Holden has no issues in this regard :)

Does Bret have a point? I don’t see where, GM and Holden determine their own accounting/tax methodology, and rwd does not help in terms of costings and developement.

When you get right down to it, its the consolidated group profits that only matter, Toyota is profitable at both the regional and Parent level. Unfort neither Holden or GM can say that, no matter what accounting methodology they determine to use.

Perhaps if we subistitute VW for Toyota …lol.

toyota certtainly are more efficient in terms of their business strategy. that and that alone is what i will ever give toyota credit for.

Ford are slowly heading to a more efficient business model.
even though we are gutted to lose the I6, its probably a good global decision from a business stand point.
ford is also making use of the focus platform for more than the focus, and ford is now developing a global RWD platform. Also ford has built the territory off of the falcon platform to make up for lost sales to keep the falcon justified. All that coupled with platform/developmental stuff with mazda all makes for a very good case.

when you talk toyota and Tax dollars, do you talk of the tax dollars they actually pay, or the tax dollars they try to not pay here in OZ??
Remember they got investigated a while back???

employment numbers in the industry declining over the last 15 years is not due to the industry itself dying.
for the last 5 years alone we saw record sales years after what was previously a record the year before.

with the industry booming over the last 5 years only set it up for the bigger fall that it is now experiencing.
i suspect the areas that saw the biggest growth will be hardest hit.
Aurion sales have fallen something like 34% so toyota isnt immune.

what bret is saying holds merit though.
hypotheticlly if you took the whole of the aurions platform development costs and laid it on the aussie books,
toyota would be further into the red than the rest.

for the falcon and commodore to still stay alive in such a small market with no shared costs for decades is something i doubt any other manufacturer would be able to do

Toyota keeps platforms to a minimum, this is how they make money, stay with me on this, you see thats what business is all about.
Secondly whilst dev costs reported by Toyota OZ are certainly not as high and Holden and Ford, they make profits in OZ and pay tax on same. Ford also has been generally profitable and as such paid Oz Taxes. Holden, profit..what?
With the uncertain future of GM, why give the company more funding..wait and see what transpires, Ford and Chysler will be putting their hands up as well in due course.
This a declining industry, numbers have halved in the last 15 years(almost) and will halve again in the next 15. Holden and Ford will certainly not be here in there current guise within 5 years.
Thirdly, Toyota as a group posts billions in profit, has billions in reserves, operates using a business plan. GM cannot pay next months wages without FURTHER federal assistance. Ford MoCo is not so bad, but…
Finally, Both Bret and yourself don’t have a clue, you wear development/design as a badge of honour, its not if you go broke, its weight hanging around your neck dragging you down. Im not ignoring the facts, you two fools are, its not Toyota going broke, its not Toyota that cant pay its wages next month, its not Toyota BEGGING for money, its not Toyota losing HUGE market share, its not Toyota with BILLIONS of dollars in debt..and on and on..

What do I think of Toyota, they make okay cars mostly, Appliance is a most appropriate word in some cases, nothing speccie, are definitely having quality issues the last 18 months or so, will cease manufacturing activities in OZ prolly within 10 years.

You see I admire the business model, what they have achieved, how they go about it, truly its a case study in good business 101. I drive german you twats, and would not consider buying a Toyota as its not for me, lexus yes, who knows next year…

Bye Bye to this thread :)

BTW – “As you have proven yourself to be stupid, resort to personal insults and unable to admit when you are caught out making pro-toyota spin comments, I won’t be responding to your cr@p anymore.” – brett

SO, when exactly does this start :)

It’s a “dog” of a trait isn’t it dingo?

As you have proven yourself to be stupid, resort to personal insults and unable to admit when you are caught out making pro-toyota spin comments, I won’t be responding to your cr@p anymore.

Say hello to Dingo & juice when you pick up the Toyota paycheque.

Its may be that they review it first, before letting it up.