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Toyota TRD Aurion – would you buy one?

By Alborz Fallah |

Previously whenever we’ve discussed the Toyota Aurion, readers have gotten themselves into some sort of argument for and against the upcoming performance orientated Aurion from Toyota Racing & Development. In Australia, when it comes to home grown performance cars, for decades now, there has only been two choices, a HSV (Holden Special Vehicles) or a FPV (ford performance vehicles).

Toyota TRD Aurion

The TRD Aurion is expected to cost more than the Ford XR-6 Turbo and Holden’s SS Commodore but less than the HSV/FPV cars, so the question is simple, would you buy a Toyota TRD Aurion (poll at the end of article).

So whilst Toyota Australia continues to deny that the Aurion is a direct competitor to any HSV/FPV car, its obvious that Toyota’s reasoning is due to the fear that the TD Aurion will not live up to the standards of HSV/FPV cars. Firstly, its not a V8, and whilst that is no longer an issue with the 6 Cylinder Turbo-charged FPV Typhoons putting the majority of HSVs stable (and V8 offerings from FPV themselves) to shame, the biggest issue is the Front-Wheel-Drive factor.

However, one aspect that needs to be questioned is Toyota’s entry into the “aussie performance car” market. Both Holden and Ford have been doing this for decades and whilst Toyota as a brand has a huge and rich motorsport history, as far as Australian bred performance cars go, its not exactly a household name.

Toyota TRD Aurion Rear

Essentially the Aurion follows the same principle as the other two big name manufacturers, take your standard family sedan, put some performance parts in it and call it a performance car. For Holden & Ford this works wonders, but whether or not it will work for Toyota is another story.

We don’t want Toyota drivers to think it’s too loud, but Toyota buyers must think it’s more sporty. The key to attracting people to the Toyota brand is to have something different.” TRD corporate manager Greg Gardner.

So what do you get? a Supercharged V6 engine putting out around 235kW of power (not yet official), six-speed auto box (no manual), bigger wheels and tyres, improved brakes, upgraded seats & interior, and a sports body kit to give the car a mean and aggressive look.

Toyota TRD aurion Engine

Toyota has been working hard for the last two years to get this car to the showroom, initially starting with a supercharged Camry and then moving onto the Aurion. No doubt that TRD has taken note of the success of Fords XR-6 Turbo range and realized that the Australian buyer is no longer just after raw V8 power, that there is now a market for force fed six-cylinder engines in the performance sector.

The whole idea of the TRD Aurion isn’t really to make money, the idea is to create a halo car that will help increase sales of the basic car. In saying that, TRD hopes to sell around 1,000 cars in the first 12 months.

“I will be happy if a TRD car brings someone into a Toyota dealership and they buy something else in the range.” Mr Gardner said.

Pricing for the TRD Aurion has not been finalized but there are some clues to what we might expect :

“It’s going to be more expensive than a Falcon XR6 Turbo ($44,000) or a Commodore SV8 ($45,000) … but it won’t be as expensive as an HSV or FPV car. It will not be priced against the Falcon XR6 turbo, though. It’s a lot more than just an engine upgrade.” Mr Gardner said.

From that we can gather that, one, Mr Gardner hasn’t realized the Holden have dropped the SV8 model from its lineup (there is the SS and SS V now), and two, that the Aurion is going to cost around $47 – 50,000.

So if we just simply compare the SS commodore and the XR-6 Turbo to the TRD Aurion (which is more expensive) this is what we get.

Ford XR-6 Turbo : Power 245kW Torque 480Nm @ 2000rpm-4500rpm – $44,000
Holden VE SS Commodore : Power 270kW Torque 530Nm @ 4400rpm – $45,000
Toyota TRD Aurion : Power 235kW Torque unconfirmed – ~$47-50,000

So will we buy a TRD Aurion? Its not an easy question to answer before we get our hands on the car. But as far as spending around $50,000 on an aussie performance car goes, its hard to look past choices from the big two established brands!

The TRD Aurion will be on sale from August 13th.

If you haven’t voted already:

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  • Rob

    I drive an XR6 Turbo – yes, it’s auto, but at least the option was there, unlike the TRD offering.

    This car might be quicker than the two Aussie cars, provided TRD don’t hobble the power delivery (as Mazda did in the 3 MPS)

  • http://www.alborzfallah.com alborz

    I don’t believe this car will be quicker than the XR-6 Turbo’s 0-100 of 6 secs (manual)
    I couldn’t see it putting out more torque than what the XR-6 turbo offers, if it does, I will be very amazed!

  • Damo

    No way would I buy this. Everyone knows that Camry’s are probably the worst handling FWD cars, you want a good family toyota, get a Lexus, they’re RWD. The interior is also starting to look fairly cheap mainly because the car’s front and rear styling has been taken from both the chinese camry and american avalon. Look it up if you don;t believe me. I am not bashing toyota, because I love most of their vehicles, this just isn’t one of them.

  • Sam

    The Toyota TRD – I couldn’t own one because of the model’s badge. ‘You drive a Toyota TuRD. Hahaha’ would get annoying very quickly I suspect…

  • Damo

    Good point there Sam, but seriously, whenever somebody makes a parody of the name of a product you own all you need to say in reply is quite simple. “don’t you own one you scrubber?”

  • Myke

    Yeh I also wouldnt get one. The reason that there is no auto, is that toyota put in a foot operated parking brake, only suited to auto’s. The design itself might look good, but its very similar to the current Falcon and that has been on the market for four/five years. Both the HSV VXR (176kw, 320Nm) and the Mazda 3 MPS (190kw, 380Nm) suffer from torque steer, this most certainly will.

  • Damo

    The torque steer might be really unnoticable if it has a few simple parts, all it needs is a torque sensing LSD which is what the TMR 380 will have, then simply Dynamic Stabiliy Control (also known as ESP). If it is only auto and has these and a few more components I think it would be far more stable because with an auto box everything would be electronically controlled. Just remember the torque steer was mild on the manual ralliart mangna manual and yet it was barely there on the auto (also the manual had no traction control while the auto did).

  • Paul

    My thoughts…

    1. The article has failed to mention that on top of brake upgrades etc handling has also been upgraded… obviously you have the usual, stiffer suspnsion, but they have also done some structural work as well

    2. The article does a crappy comparison between cars, for $50k the TRD Aurion isnt that bad… as said, its not just an engine upgrade, go across to the TRD site and you will see. The interior for example looks amazing (Whoever said it looks cheap, actually go have a look at the TRD Aurions interior)! Its an overall package, not just deeeeeeeeeerr power power power.

    3. Its going to be quicker then an XR6T ON PAPER… it may have alittle less torque but if the Aurion weight is anything to go off, even adding alittle, its going to weigh 200kg less then an XR6T.

    4. I dont think torque steer is going to be an issue, even if it was to mean they cut back on power delivery. For starters an MPS with only 190kw has torque steer, a crappy comparison, as the Aurion doesnt really suffer from it yet has 200kw – so Toyota obviously have done something different. Also, I doubt Toyota would bring this car out if it suffered from such drawbacks, they want it to be a halo car… you dont bring out a crap car for that kinda thing.

    As to Answer the question… would I buy it… I cant say. The friggen car isnt out yet, on paper though, Id say yes… it doesnt have quite the same power as something like a V8, but from what Ive seen, as an overall car it is better.

  • http://australiancaradvice Shane T

    I would absolutely love to buy one. While the output is respectable there will be little doubt regarding the quality and refinement of this TRD product. Not only is the engines a damn sweety but so is the 6 speed box. Combined with a supercharger, enhanced braking, a considerably reworked suspension that consist of a lowered coils, stiffer bushes, v-braces and bigger wider lower profile tyres – i have little doubt many electronic calibations have been reset.

    The interior and exterior has also undergone considerable redressing and the engineering has been completed by two recognisd and reputable performance divisions – TRD and Prodrive.

    Falcons and Commodores maybe a bit more brawny but the TRD Aurion is sure to be of a higher quality grade, considerably more refined and nodoubt more reliable while offering repectable allround performance. I reckon the car looks GREAT and personally can not wait for it’s release. Remember, not evrybody likes a Holden and Ford more many reasons that can be listed.

    Note the notoriuos unreliabilty of the Gen3 for example with piston slap and oil consumption issues. Examples were even identified that some pistons were completely void of rings. Apart from that, thier quality and refinement has alot to be desired for and many others simply want more in this regard.

    The TRD Aurion will offer a great alternative.

  • Damo

    The car has the looks (not as fond of the rear end in that colour scheme but love the front), it definetly has the power, I am not sure about the handling because I have always known of the dodgy toyota camry handling. But, with Dynamic Stability control as standard, and whatever mods TRD use (ie suspension, tyres, front LSD) you can expect this car to have some good road holding with minimum torque steer. The turning circle is not so good at 11.6 meters but otherwise this car is not so bad. I will give it my thumbs up as I would expect you TRD fans to give my TMR 380, both of these companies are in the beginning and hopefully they will both have great futures and will be competing with HSV and FPV. For years Toyota has been ignored by Holden and Ford lovers who didn’t hate it, they simply just didn’t care, and no they have something from toyota (local) that can match their cars performance they bag it and are afraid.

  • Anthony Acott

    How can anyone compare a Commodore or Falcon to any Toyota?
    I currently own a V8Commodore (VY) and a Mazda 323 (04 model). Prior to these cars, I had a Toyota and a Hyundai. Let me just say, when you buy a car from an Oriental company, you pay more for the quality. You may or may not get more power, more torque or faster 0-100 speeds, but what I guarantee you will get is less problems, less recalls and less warrenty work required at each service.

    I had less problems with my Hyundai Excel in 9 years than I’ve had with the commodore in 3years, and thats a Korean car!!

    To make it simple – decide if you’ll buy one when they are here to look at and test drive. Don’t make decisions based on kw and nm on paper. The car looks awesome, and my guess is, It will hold together well too, rather than have peeling paint and parts falling off in it’s first year on the road!

  • http://au.toyotaownersclub.com/forum Omn1potent

    In short, if the Aurion TRD is priced $50k Plus, only die-hard Toyota Fans will buy it. For $45, my money goes to the SS.

  • mickj

    I would definitley take the TRD offering over either of the other two. The main reason being I know that in 5 years when the HSV and FPV peoples cars are suffering from failing trim, sagging seats, squeaking everything the Totyota will still be offering a tight sweet driving experience.

  • Nope

    It is a FWD. Enough said. Would not even think about purchasing one. I cannot believe Toyota are trying to flog off TRD vehicles which have a basis in AWD rallying as a FWD flagship. About the only thing going for it is that it is (and will be) a reliable Toyota that will never die and it not a Ford or Holden heap of crap.

  • http://www.alborzfallah.com alborz

    It is a shame
    when I want to the rally of qld a few weeks back
    the TRD corollas with their AWD turbo setups were almost beating the WRX STis around the track.. HOLY HELL.. i just wish toyota would SELL THEM in AWD/Turbo format, they would become a cult car (it might help if they werent called corolla and werent so ugly too)

  • Mark

    Firstly, I don’t understand why people are already ‘deciding’ they won’t buy it based on the fact its FWD. A well balanced FWD car can be a great handler. I think the focus from Toyota is towards mature families looking for a sportier alternative. Knowing the quality of Toyota, and add a sportier model, I think it will sell a few.

    I don’t understand this comment regarding faster on paper = slower on road. If the car has a read out of 1000kw (Lol) Kws on the dyno, it wouldn’t produce roughly 1000kw on the road? Ofcourse many factors have to accounted for, but generally, if its faster on paper, faster on the road? (Forgetting the input of the driver ofcourse) Or have I misunderstood that comment.

    Lastly,

    “No way would I buy this. Everyone knows that Camry’s are probably the worst handling FWD cars, you want a good family toyota, get a Lexus, they’re RWD.”

    I think this is like saying: “I dont want a LANCER Evo 9, its a LANCER! Lancers have FWD and are slow and junk.”

  • hmmmm……some

    Some of you have been putting up some very interesting and true comments and most just a load of crap… just because Toyota’s come up with something that can destroy your beloved true blue Aussie car image, doesn’t mean u can just give it bad comments. Yes it may look like a falcon but the reason to that is the designer of that car was the guy who also designed the the Aurion. You know whats amazing, not only has Toyota been able to develop an engine that can produce as much power in NA form than a falcon or a commy but theyve also made it more fuel efficient. Imagine what TRD can do with it. it might b more expensive but think about how much money you can save with a fuel economical perfomance car. i bet you that Aurion will be car to compete with even if its a FWD car because fuel is on everyones mind and you can always trust Toyota’s riliability.

  • Paul

    I read an article recently which summed it up. Toyota did iniitally plan to make the Aurion AWD, but the cost of developing this for such a small scale operation wasnt worth it so they stuck with FWD (Maybe in the future as they did say they intend to export the TRD Aurion!). They have also admitted its not going to be as fast as say an SS or GTS, but it will be quick, and is aimed more at the Subaru Liberty GT type market, not young hot heads but more mature people who want a good balance of performance and comfort. FWD has been a slight issue for them as the torque produced from the supercharger has upped the Aurions level significantly, so down low they have had to work hard to ensure the power is produced effectively (Hopefully they have a LSD etc not just traction control trying to mask it), however its still quick and certainly from a rolling start even quicker then some of the V8s.

    I will try to find this article…. but it was at some other forum!

  • http://AustralianCarAdvive Dingo

    Paul, i hope you can find that article because i have a keen interest in the TRD developed Aurion. I like it and certainly give i my support.

    Infact, i just like the Aurion because it is a good quality, well sorted,well packaged car that no doubt will contain Toyota’s traditional strengths of reliability, dependability and longevity.

  • Paul

    http://editorial.carsales.com.au/car-review/2516154.aspx

    ^ Here it is. Also has a picture of the car, not the best colour, but certainly looks nice!!

  • http://australiancaradvice Mick W.

    I like it. Infact, i like the Aurion and will be trading my heap of shit VT about mid year for a new Aurion Sportivo and look forward to the moment.

    Good by and good riddens to Holden because it’s a Toyota for me this time. I will never buy a Holden lemon ever again. The Aurion is a great allround packaged car and look forward to my first distant holiday in it. Kids come to.

  • Kevin

    No manual = no sale…come on TRD, give us a 6 speed!

  • Tom

    I would consider the Aurion if had the towing capacity as the even the basic Commodore or falcon.

    PS Has’nt anyone told Toyota’s marketing people that they are pushing T_RD up hill to get your TAM (Typical Aussie Male) to buy a car called TRD?

  • Bob

    Paul

    “The article does a crappy comparison between cars, for $50k the TRD Aurion isnt that bad… as said, its not just an engine upgrade, go across to the TRD site and you will see.”

    The XR6 Turbo isn’t an engine upgrade either, it’s also stiffer suspension, bigger wheels, better tyres, standard LSD, optional 6-speed manual or auto and it’s already coming off an XR6 base which is updated over a standard Falcon XT.

    “I dont think torque steer is going to be an issue, even if it was to mean they cut back on power delivery. For starters an MPS with only 190kw has torque steer, a crappy comparison, as the Aurion doesnt really suffer from it yet has 200kw – so Toyota obviously have done something different.”

    Toyota have done nothing different! It’s called torque steer (and not power steer) because it requires high torque to affect the steering not high power. The 200kw Aurion has less torque than a Mazda3 MPS (336Nm vs 380Nm) and thus even though it has more power, is less prone to torque steer based purely on these numbers.

    The other factor is weight. Aurion weighs a lot more than an MPS so carries more weight over the front wheels and thus helps them grip a little better, meaning they’re less likely to break traction on full throttle out of a corner due to weight distribution.

    All up, it’s not even remotely possible to compare the MPS and Aurion on such an issue, you need to compare it to something similar like a 380 also being front wheel drive AND the same size.

    Drive a TRD in reverse then you’ll solve the torque steer issue.

  • Ray

    Chaps..

    I’ve been a die hard holden man it was only till holden guys couldn’t even replace my commodore’s brakes on its 6th visit that I turned to Toyota..

    Its been a month now in my full optioned Sportivo ZR6 and I absolutely love it… Torque steer can be noticed when you really push it but the fun part although its not a RWD it still has over steer… raced to a SKyline and it was fun.. didn’t let the old Datsun go past it.

    Yes.. I would love to buy Toyota TuRD, if it has all this features, looks this good, reliable by birth and goes like this.. Whenever I tell someone I’ve bought Aurion, he goes aah Camry.. and I just yes with a smile on my face.. they don’t know what what they are missing.. as yet no one has looked at the car and told me it is a camry..

    But yes, in its red it is a head turner..

  • mick

    hmm i like the look of the TRD aurion..and i like the whole idea…but i am a tall bloke and it just still has its short comings regards space for a large car compared to commodore/falcon rivals. I sat in a aurion at the dealer launch and the head room was an issue….lovely car…but not big enough

  • Paul

    QUOTE = The XR6 Turbo isn’t an engine upgrade either, it’s also stiffer suspension, bigger wheels, better tyres, standard LSD, optional 6-speed manual or auto and it’s already coming off an XR6 base which is updated over a standard Falcon XT.

    No it is… Im talking from XR6 -> XR6T, just like the TRD Aurion is essentially ZR6 -> TRD. Both have same price difference, one is ALOT more then just an engine upgrade. Im sure you can tell.

    As for your torque steer litte thing, well Im not 100% on the physics of it… what I do know is people claimed the Aurion would struggle, and it hasnt. You make a valid point as to why, weight… and maybe other issues like traction control etc. Eitherway one thing that FWD does benefit from is a higher traction threshold as the main mass of the car is over the drive wheels, so its not all doom and gloom when having powerful FWD cars and Im sure TRD will produce a reasonable car in the TRD Aurion.

  • http://AustralianCarAdvice Dingo

    alborz – what do you mean almost beating the STi’s – i believe the TRD Corolla’s won the Qld Rally Champ and leading the Australian Rally Championships all together. And, i reckon the TRD Raaly Corolla’s look the part aswell but that is only my opinion.

  • James

    I think FWD has just as many things going for it as RWD. Have a watch of some of the races run by AMRS where they have Super Tourers (4cyl FWD) vs Future tourers vs ex V8′s and you will see that FWD has its advantages especially coming into corners. But that’s racing not street.

    I have driven an Aurion and was blown away by the feel of it. I have always been a manual man but the semi-automatic mode on the auto was good fun! Was able to change gears without using a pedal and had a good number of gears to play with. The handling was exceptional as well.

    I would definitely get a TRD for nothing more than being able to have a family car that’s a bit different to Falcodores and has a bit of power to boot.

  • http://caradvice.com.au lobart

    THIS AURION HAVING DRIVEN IT IS AWSOME AND IS FASTER THAN A TAXI TURBO 0-100KMH. ALSO IT IS FASTER THAN STI 0-100KMH. SHE IS A REFINED BEAST AND ANY ONE WHO BUYS IT WILL LOVE IT.

  • Leon

    Well I would suggest to anyone wanting to buy a performance vehicle that they drive the TRD Aurion. The vehicle can be driven by your wife without having to worry about where she parks it or how sore her back will be, replacement tyres do not cost $800 each like a certain other brand the starts with H and ends in V, the engine is smooth and powerful (241kw), the 6 speed auto is sensational, the suspension work is acurate and precise without rattling your bones, the brakes are awesome and it doesn’t say look at me im a wanker it just gets up and goes and does everything you ask of it….The proof is in the drive.

  • Glenn

    Cant wait for the TRD Aurion to come out. We currently own a 4 cylinder camry sportivo and love it. All our mates who mostly own commodores cant believe that the 4 cylinder is so quick, and how good the handling is. Anyone who says otherwise needs to learn to drive. The camry sportivo out handles any commodore or ford family car in the market. Yeah the downside is it is front wheel drive and it can be hard to get the power down initially, but once you get used to driving a front wheel drive you dont notice it, and i drive a rear wheel drive sportscar and can go back and forth with out any hassle getting off the line in the camry. Cant wait to get confirmation on pricing and get going in one.

  • http://. ROBERTO

    Like I said the voting will indicate my stance on this car as too many will sit on fence or not buy! Bloody nice car and front looks a little bit better in this picture then previous, Red colour to helps! But I still think the front will offend more people as way too busy with curves and mish mashed way too much. The grill looks to conventional as well – maybe similar to Mazda 6 and front lights blacked out and have headlights and blinker chromed highlights. Back is really fine and needs a kickass spoiler. Would that stop me buying one? I suspect would buy it but it would have to be a great price and I dare say rest of package is typical cutting edge designed and made in 1st class fashion.

  • michael

    if only toyota and TRD could bring out a new ‘supra’ sports car model. the mkiv(jza80) supra TT was a beast and big success. who buys performance cars today in these sedan style versions, their boring and will merely look like a kitted up camry as you drive passed it~!

    the company is obviously one of the world leading when it coems to car sales, so why not produce some 2 door coupe sports car just to compete with other makes. the sports cars will obviously neer be the money makers for a company as their sold in limited numbers, but their way more appealing than 4 door fwd sedans.

    i wouldnt buy it. i can see why a family would looking for a little performance for their money though, other than that, its average

  • http://. ROBERTO

    To all you Camry lovers… checkmated by new Mazda 6 as this car oozes it all. Something Camry falls behind on bigtime!

  • Jason

    The only good Australian built cars are Toyotas. The realiability of both Holden Commodores and Ford Falcons is questionable too. The list of problems and faults in those cars couldnt even fit into a report 10 pages long. Holden had used a Buick V6 engine (which was designed in the 1950′s) in their cars for over 10 years. What a pushrod boat anchor, horrible engine to use. I drive a front wheel drive Toyota at the moment, and it handles very nicely and is fuel efficient. Slowly, car owners will be turning to Toyota built cars because as an overall package Toyotas today are better engineered, more efficient, smoother, and just beautiful cars to drive.

    So if you want a car that will break down on you, shake it self to bits, and give you years of problems, buy a Commodore or Falcon. Toyota cars have proven and will continue to prove their quality and realiabilty for decades and the TRD Aurion is no exception. I shal never EVER purchase a Holden or Ford, but will definately purchase a Aurion TRD or Sportivo in the near future. Shine on Toyota.

  • Paul

    Roberto you know the crap out of the TRD Aurion, the Mazda 6 isnt that great. Many minor details which I cant stand on it; no handrail on drivers side (I like symmetry), handbrake on passengers side, front bumper assembly looks crap and the rear reminds me of a Hyundai Accent (one of their models) or a Corolla sedan. Not to mention it hasnt been released or even info to date, so I wouldnt be passing such judgements quite yet.

  • jbot

    Glenn, you say it can be hard to get the power down initially in your Camry Sportivo because its a front drive. That car’s only 117kW!!!! How do you think that another front-driver with more than double the power will cope? Paul, I’m just going off what Glenn has said about his Camry Sportivo, so don’t tell me that the Aurion can handle it. I’d like to see how Glenn thinks the Aurion TRD possibly could if his Camry can’t.

  • jbot

    Forgot to mention that torque has also doubled, which is more likely to affect traction.

  • Myke

    Umm Paul, the Camry has it’s handbrake on the wrong side if you hadn’t noticed, after already been
    converted to RHD in both the 5th and 6th generation.
    The attention to detail will be much better on the Mazda 6 then any Camry, considering the fact Mazda isn’t spitting out a billion cars a second out the factory door.

  • http://. ROBERTO

    BRING ON COMPARO OF CAMRY / AURION & MAZDA 6. If people say the Mazda 6 looks tad funny at front and back have a look at bells and whistles overkill Supercheap Autos air intake on TRD Aurion! FUGLY

  • Paul

    Lol jbot well I thought the same as you really, the only explanation is does the Camry have super thing tyres. I have a V6 Camry, which is good for around 140kw and 260Nm of torque, honestly its extremely hard to cause it issues in terms of grip, youd have to be flooring it around a corner and even then in most cases you can get away with it.

    Myke, well Im a sell proclaimed non-fan of the Camry, so I didnt say I liked it. But I think all this fairy talk about the 6 is just that, fairy talk. I can see many imperfections.

    Roberto your a joke mate, Ive visited a few forums, a number of which are yank ones… and they absolutely love the look of the TRD Aurion. You are an anamoly. But I do agree, Im interested in a comparison… but Im assuming it will be some time to we get that.

  • Marza

    I HATE to say it coz I LOVE my HSV except for the new “E” Series(what where they ON?), but…

    Toyota is the future and I would consider buying a TRD Aurion after Test Driving one PLUS I still can’t STAND the UGLY looks of the new VE’s!.

  • Myke

    Paul no car is perfect and if you were to thoroughly analyse each car down to it’s last detail, you’d see the many flaws in each vehicle very clearly.

    And if missing ‘handrails’ and incorrectly placed ‘handbrakes’ are your main criticism, I guess the Mazda 6 is doing pretty well.

  • http://. ROBERTO

    PAUL… THINK OUTSIDE THE TOYOTA BOX AND REALISE THERE IS GREAT CARS IN ALL RANGES AND STOP TUGGING THE FORELOCKS OF ONE BRAND. Mate you really need to crawl out from your Toyota shell you dwell in as you are so self centred on Toyota. Line Aurion up with Mazda 6 and it looks like a pork chop for your so called hot car. I like the Aurion, but Mazda 6 is not in your league mate as different style and properly executed hot design – something you once saw in MR2 and CELICA once.

  • Paul

    Lol Ive made positive comments about various other brand vehicles… I do not think the Mazda6 looks that great. I will try to get a second opinion on it, but the front bumper is ordinary (maybe its the luxury model only that has that, looks like something for the older folk), the interior has its problems and finally the rear is just crap it reminds me of the rear of the Corolla sedan of a Hyundai. The lines are good on it and the front grill / headlight assembly are great… but its the finer details that lose me. And hey I dont think the Aurion is perfect, I think its rear is very poor… apart from that though in terms of looks I like what theyve done. And just to confirm this, I dont intend to buy an Aurion… so this isnt me defending some car I have or want, its called defending whats right. The Aurion and TRD Aurion aernt all that bad.

  • Andrew. M

    Jason,
    QUOTE……
    “The only good Australian built cars are Toyotas”
    pfffft what a load of shite!!!
    what, the commys have a bad donk so the falcons are shit too?? go figure
    mate i could honestly fill a page of problems with camrys too (and thats not just me being tough either)

    Paul,
    mate you were done (in good fun)
    the hand brake on the passenger side in the mazda 6 is like it is also in the camry. can you stand it in the camry.
    also if you need a handgrip to get into a car you are too old to drive

  • http://. ROBERTO

    PAUL… if you think the Mazda 6 has an ordinary front, get some powerful reading glasses and compare the TRD Aurion with the cod ordinary crappy overdone Skoda looking designed rubbish front air intake that has more curves then Jennifer Hawkins. Then look at quality Mazda 6. For you to comment on Mazda 6 being average and still like Aurion speaks volumes of mindset. Remember Paul I always said I like the Aurion.

  • Paul

    Lol Andrew.M I never said I liked the Camry! In fact you will find if you look hard enough me knocking it down, especially the Sportivo which asks the same price as a base model Aurion! How about the Aurion though… it does have the grab rail on the drivers side and no handbrake lever at all, talk about symmetry!

  • Paul

    Roberto get off it mate, the TRD Aurion front looks awesome. I didnt say the Mazda6 front was all bad, the rear is my main criticism, I just dont like the bumper, I think it would be different on the lower or sportier versions as that looks like something for the older folk, not very stylish. But honestly get over the TRD, I could link literally 100 sites where people are praising it… both Toyota places and non-Toyota…. Australian and overseas. The appearance of the TRD Aurion is the last thing to knock on it and either is this supercheap auto air intake BS as its had a shyteload of work done on it, especially compared to vehicles like the XR6T.

  • http://. ROBERTO

    Paul, mate you are full of it. The truckloads of $$$ spent and yet ??? front air intake. You can talk how you want, it reflects in the survey on “Would you buy Aurion?” = YOUR BUMCHUMS AND OTHERS WHO GLOAT ABOUT THIS CAR ARE IN THE MINORITY AS LOW % Of PEOPLE WHO WOULD ACTUALLY BUY CAR SUPPORTS A LOOK THAT POLARISES PEOPLE. YOU CAN HAVE THE MOTOR MADE OF GOLD AND FAULTLESS WITH PERFECT PAINT AND MANUFACTURE, YET IF LOOKS POLARISE PEOPLE THIS IS HOW YOU GET THE TYPICAL SURVEY RESULTS THAT HAS BEEN RECORDED.

  • http://. ROBERTO

    TOYOTA LOVERS = Look at survey results as this is accurate and not your views tugging on Toyota forelocks as piss poor result; just like mish mash crap look at front

  • http://. ROBERTO

    FACT IS 67% OF PEOPLE COULD NOT BE CONCERNED ABOUT BUYING TRD AURION??????
    Would you buy a TRD Aurion?
    Absolutely 422 33% of all votes
    No way 513 40% of all votes
    Maybe 350 27% of all votes
    Total Votes: 1285

    Started: March 16, 2007

  • jbot

    Roberto, if you do that survey on ANY car you will get similar results. All cars will be attractive propositions to some people, and unattractive to others (maybe because of price, looks, performance, anything!). People don’t just vote “no way” because they don’t like the looks! Why can’t you accept that people like different types of cars? Just because you think a car looks good, or would perform well doesn’t make it fact.

  • jbot

    For the record, I voted no way, but I like the look of the car. Its just not the type of car I would buy atm, and I think the pricing is a little high.

  • jbot

    Personally I think a 33% absolutely vote is high, so I’m not sure why you’re knocking it based on that.

  • Paul

    Yeah Roberto kinda stupid citing this survey. Personally I think its useless, its a god man internet survey! But if you do believe it, 33% is HUGE. And your attempt to manipulate the stats doesnt go un-noticed either, you cant say the fence sitters go towards being not being bothered, that vote was maybe, going off your theory that is as much 33+27 that it is 40+27. At the end of the day its 33% vs 40%… a great result for the TRD Aurion, especially when you consider at the point when most of these votes were made the TRD Aurion wasnt expected to make 240kw and 400Nm of torque and mant other issues were in the air. I guarrantee if you got people who have test driven the TRD to vote youd get a very favourable figure, everyone I have had contact with that has driven it are pleasantly suprised.

  • Al Juraj

    4WD should make this Aurion more credible. A high powered FWD car can do only do so much as far as handling is concerned. Launch will also be slower than RWD because of lots of wheelspin, and that’s without LSD.

    I’d seriously consider one if it had 4WD. For the price, I won’t choose an SS because of its ancient engine and iffy quality. The XR6 Turbo is about to be replaced and this may be worth the wait. A new Evo X is also just around the corner, and if it has similar pricing to the TRD, I’d certainly pick this one.

  • http://. ROBERTO

    33% of people surveyed out of 1285people would buy a TRD Aurion is a piss poor result.

  • jbot

    Roberto, I’m not suprised you’re a builder. You’re certainly not too bright. If 33% of the population bought a TRD Aurion, it would have a larger market share than all (?) car companies. If you think the 33% of the 1285 people who voted are the only people in Australia who will buy this vehicle, you need help.

  • Paul

    Yeah not one of your best. That would give a huge market share because the remaining 40% (leaving out fence sitters) would be split between many different companies.

    Analysis aside, its simple, 33% v 40%, if you think thats a bad result for a Toyota which is finally trying to be sporty, than you have to really look at yourself in the mirror. Well done TRD for making a great car, especially a great looking car!

  • harold

    guys i priced the top of the range from the Parramatta dealer last weekend and it is $72k on the road. I was going to go for a test drive and buy it but i was put of by 1 thing. It is front whel drive and as a new model it could easily fail in the market. So you pay $72k now and go to sell it in 3 years so what is it worth? Anyones guess, could be $20k if no one buys them.

  • Paul

    I would think if it sells less there is more chance it will retain its value, simple demand > supply = less depreciation. A common vehcile on the other hand depreciates rapidly, for example a Falcon, as they flood the market, supply > demand = shyteloads depreciation.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    jbot… you are a dropkick. ROBERTO is not eluding to that as it is a survey. Mate what do you do for work as you seem a uni student as your comment is stupid and self centring

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    JBOT… Iam suprised at how stupid you are. You are that dumb and you would not be more qualified than a builder you halfwit

  • jbot

    Colonel, can you please tell me what he was alluding to then, as I have clearly missed the point. Yes Colonel, I’m a uni student. Not sure how that makes me a dropkick, as I’ll soon be earning a lot more than most people. So I guess when I graduate I will be more qualified than a builder. My intention was not to have a go at builders, as they can be very successful and many of them are intelligent, including a few of my mates who are apprentices and loving what they’re doing. All I was saying was that because Roberto often struggles to string a sentence together that people can understand, he would be more suited to a builder-style job. Colonel, your comments appear to be in a very similar style to those of Roberto.. Is Colonel Klink an alias for Roberto?

  • jbot

    Doing Engineering if you needed to know.

  • Paul

    Lol nah I think he is a builder, touched on a nerve perhaps. Who really cares about market share though, its simple, Roberto is clutching at straws….33% vs 40% is a great figure, although I doubt in reality the TRD Aurion would be anywhere near as successful., showing how useless an online poll is. Obviously Roberto is yet to realise this.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    PAUL & JBOT… HEY UNI NERDS. I know people like you, full of their own self importance with little life skills and crammed full of data with no commonsense over a wide scope in life. WOW… WHO WOULD OF GUESSED A DUMBO LIKE YOU COULD EARN MORE THEN OTHERS, OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL STRUGGLE TO EARN 1/10 AS MUCH AS ME. MATE, you are a goose the poll states clearly what is the go, so get real and do not be self centred. Clearly the poll comments on the numbers who will buy and that 428 out of 1309 says people are not full on committed to it. It is units like you who are still growing up trying to learn the rules of life who are outspoken and green as between the ears, your mindsets indicate this.

  • jbot

    LOL I take it you’re earning over 1 mill a year then? Check out the average engineer’s earnings before you make claims like that.

    If this poll was taken on ANY car, even your beloved Commodore or Falcon, and the results would be very similar. Igoning the maybe votes, 45% of people who voted said they would buy the car, 55% said they wouldn’t. You can’t just merge the maybe vote with the no vote to make your point seem valid. BTW your rant makes you sound like a very jealous little builder. Maybe if you went to uni, or even finished school, you would have a better understanding of statistics, and would realise you are wrong.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    JBOT… hey homie boy, you will need to work your way up the ladder before you get work experience as you are crammed full of statistics with little life skills and limited workskills. As for me I have more qualifications and took more time to get it and I earn it! Iam not a supporter of any car period, so do not assume as if you know what I support as uni has not taught you NOT right. Assumptions are the mother of all f…ups!

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    JBOT… the Aurion is nice as and cool, so do not think Iam attacking it. Hey the Mazda 6 looks miles better and makes Aurion look yesterdays hero.

  • jbot

    “As for me I have more qualifications and took more time to get it and I earn it!”

    What qualifications do you have then that make your opinion more valid than mine? I’m guessing you’ve never gone to uni, as you’re very quick to bag it, so I’d be interested to hear if you have any official qualifications. I think you need to get over the whole “crammed full of statistics with little life skills and limited workskills” thing, as I’m certain you would have had less of all 3 at the same age.

    For the record, I like the TRD Aurion but I’d never buy one.

  • Josh

    jbot, attending uni doesn’t make you a better person! Btw, engineer is nothing if there are no one building it!

  • jbot

    Where have I said it makes me a better person? Colonel has been knocking me for going to uni, basically saying all uni students are “crammed full of statistics with little life skills and limited workskills”.

  • http://. Peter

    Ummm, mate he is not generalising, just you suggest as the survey is not what you state

  • Paul

    QUOTE = JBOT… the Aurion is nice as and cool, so do not think Iam attacking it. Hey the Mazda 6 looks miles better and makes Aurion look yesterdays hero.

    Lol quote of the day… Im not attacking the Aurion but it looks sh*t. Irony anyone? Just deal with it Klink, Im sure your $30k a year builders job is fulfilling… and hey if you work hard, in a couple decades you will be able to afford a TRD Aurion. Keep at it buddy.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul…Jbot????????????????????how was school today, did you get playlunch you nerd, had your brain drain for the day at uni. I make that much on one home I organise to build for clients you halfwit and everyone else does the work for me (like you guys when you get an attitude for life and work). Mate you work hard enough and you will be able to afford to get nappies to go with your stupid mindset. PS: If you or your headbutt little nerd mates want to meet up; let me know as Iam a blackbelt at Zen Do Kai and I can do with a laugh

  • Andrew. M

    Paul,
    if you think builders earn $30K a year you are way out of touch my friend. do you know the difference between a builder and a carpenter by the way?
    no engineer will earn $1 mill a year unless they own a major engineering firm. but then how much do you think major construction companies earn? MULTI MILLIONS!!. on wages engineers wont come close to a “chippies” wage. guys stop reading the orientation brochures as they are a bit misleading
    do you guys know that trades people now earn more than doctors?

    yeah that survey proves nothing roberto im sorry to say. all surveys are a load of rubbish to me as there are too many variables. but paul and others dont forget that you guys like to use them in your defence too.

  • jbot

    That’s definitely ROBERTO. He’s called people headbutts before, and I’m pretty sure most people don’t use that word. One minute we’re nerds, next minute we’re stupid. Interesting.

  • Paul

    Lol I think hes about to explode… funny part being originally I just joked about the reference to a builder hitting a nerve, but he actually, well he claims to be a builder. I have extreme doubts though, if you were that well off I fail to see why you would care so much if someone attacks your trade, certainly not to the extent where you are throwing abuse around like a child.

    Andrew.M… you can use half credible polls, like reliability surveys, with SOME confidence. I dont think you can use an only internet survey with any confidence in the results… which even if you want to, which is the funny part, is in favour of the TRD Aurion

  • Andrew. M

    mate i dont trust any survey. how can one?
    they are all oppioniated no matter what they are about. yep even your reliability survey. any survey will reflect peoples percieved views in one way or another. and then the target group will never be the same. political surveys are a load of crap too as early polls never reflect the true outcome, and they are all in the same basket

    yeah it was silly to also show the survey that roberto did. but i see where he was going. i think the survey was do people like the car sort of thing not would you buy it over any other car.
    these surveys dont ask you to compare to any other car they just try to guage your like on it but not your preference.

    Paul,
    dont forget you guys also defend your uni education so if you guys are really that well off why do you care so much? see it works both ways.
    people defend stuff more so because they believe in it as opposed to those that dont defend it meaning they recognise it isnt that great
    (sorry just a little life lesson and prob something they wont teach you at uni)

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul, like how you know how much builders get; where do you base you results from as seems like you are so out of touch with reality there mate. Must be a thesis on the coefficient of linear expansion of various man made materials you read that has thrown you. Between you and other little nerds like the Bot guy, if your brain was a collective rubberband put together you would not have enough to fit around a canaries leg! It is do gooders like yourself who need to not be so self opinionated with vague statements (builder getting $30K per year speaks volumes of your single braincell)

  • Paul

    Lol Im not well off… and I havent really defended uni education, Im just fueling the fire for abit of a laugh! But I very much doubt he is defending it because it has meaning to him, if that was the case Id expect an intelligent argument citing how builders earn a decent wage. He hasnt… he is just acting like a child.

  • Paul

    As I just stated Roberto, you’ve been caught hook line and sinker. Oh btw it explains why you are anti-toyota and anti-trd, tpyical bogan builder haha

  • Andrew. M

    well please dont comment if you dont know anything about trades it obviously is not your forte and you make yourself look silly by pretending it was a joke when you are proved to be saying nonsence.
    question for you….
    whats the difference between….
    a carpenter
    a licenced carpenter
    a builder
    if you dont know you couldnt possibly pass judgement on the trade

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Oh yes Paul. Maybe you should call yourself Mr Kevin Rudd and state “Builders only make $30K a year” as nobody would have the stupidity like yourself to believe you. Keep your nose to the grindstone at uni mate and do yourself a favour and get a life and get some discipline into you.

  • Andrew. M

    paul you are the biggest self contradictor i have ever seen.
    some posts you say builders/tradies love toyotas because of their ruggedness and now you say tradies/builders wont like toyotas because they are bogans.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul or should I say Kevin from the ALP = Another Loser Peabrain

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul knows it all, backed yourself up to the wall and copping the roundhouse kicks to your brain there

  • Bavarian Missile

    Kevin is a manufactured product by the ALP, heaven help us all if he gets in!

  • Andrew. M

    guys keep going to uni i would love that. it means a shorter supply of tradies like there is now which would ensure higher money to tradies!!!! as long as you guys keep filling uni’s like the school system tells you to (or used to anyway) that means your work force will be over filled meaning competitive wages whereas lower supply of tradies means higher wages for them.
    so enjoy your 6 years of training with a night shift wage stacking shelves and lets see who is in the better financial position in 10 years

  • Paul

    Andrew.M…. if you could tell I was joking in the SINGLE post I made referring to builders then you need to learn how to read mate! I couldnt give a sh*t about builders, Im sure they earn enough!

    And Im beginning to quickly think you are in fact Colonel Klink, you defend builders… and COINCIDENTALLY your posts and his are positioned within 2 minute intervals of eachother. Caught out perhaps?

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Now you are talking and agree wholeheartedly, being in building I do not like union interference being forced onto the workplace. A vote for the ALP is a partnership joined at the hip with the Union movement

  • Andrew. M

    missile,
    i think they are all manufactured to be honest and i dont think things would change under either.
    sad but true so what are us aussies meant to do except believe what they tell us Pfffft
    sad thing is 80% of us do believe them

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul… get your hand off it as paranoid comment fully. I make $30K a year Paul; mate Mr Bean states smarter things than you. Mate your comments lack total brainpower and is so off with the pixies that you need to get some lifeskills and call it for what it is. Th

  • Paul

    In regards to your last comment, lol this has turned into an argument over jobs… but my industry (which Im not going to divulge) actually has a deficit of skilled workers, in fact I already have a job lined up PRIOR to they completion of my degree this year. The economy is doing well for everyone.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Hey Paul. Give it a break. How many years your course? Engineering = which type?

  • Andrew. M

    paul,
    i am my own person.
    i defend builders because i myself am one too
    unlike klink who has to deal with unions (another big joke) i am self employed THANK GOD!!!

    sorry for reading your posts wrong but it is a bit hard to pick up sarcasm and tone of voice from text

  • Andrew. M

    Paul are you embarrased because you are in nursing?

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul, come out of the closet and fess up???

  • what the

    oh not this paul guy again going on with crap again oh well keep up the love for toyota someones gotta love it

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul, I have friends who do nursing and nothing wrong with it as someone has to do it and it would be hard as

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    CQCQ has anyone heard Pauls response on his job, over

  • Andrew M

    ah ive had enough for tonight im tired because i actually put in a decent days work (and dont confuse that with a hard days work)

    seeya guys (for now)

  • Andrew M

    ha ha ha yeah nothing wrong with nursing hey someones gotta wipe my bum when i am too old to do it he he he

    ok couldnt resist im going now cyas

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Andrew M…. Iam in stitches laughing so much. Always great following your mindset around the traps

  • Bavarian Missile

    Your right to a degree Andrew, my memory is long from the last labour days though I guess we should be glad we dont have George Bush as a contender ………so much fun to listen to though.hahaha

  • Paul

    Honestly however wrong I am very coincidental that Klink and Andrew.M are posting within 2 minutes of eachother each time… and when I made a note of this earlier they all of a sudden say ‘Im my own man’ at the EXACT same time as a Klink comment to try and legimitimise it.

    Eitherway, no Im not a nurse… but its a well paid industry, in fact the graduate salary is well above $30k LOL

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Bavarian Missile you are real great to read too around the traps too. Agree with your last comment about George W Bush.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul. wrong again. So what is your job as wont rev you.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Paul. Mate no crap you are wrong. Dont fret the small crap! So where abouts are you in Aussie land? Iam at Grafton NSW

  • Paul

    Lol Im not divulging such information! Not that its a bad industry or anything, but because I see no obligation to do so online.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Must be bad, as you comment about builders wrongly. I make your whole years wage on one home which I just get contractors to build for me – good hey. You dont stand on the intersection waving traffic down late at night!

  • Paul

    Bite me

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Colonel I know your not Andrew M , come on Paul I love my Toyotas too but I am sure you can agree Toyotas have their own down falls in areas, they cant be everything to all people, no car can.

    I think we all no that the trades are earning more than the more educated these days ,my brother is a mining engineer earning around $150-200 k a year but living in minus 35 conditions sometimes and no life style . Me nope I am a self confessed CUB ,{cashed up bogan}with no regrets and a more than great lifestyle.

    I guess if your happy with your lifestyle surely that’s all that matters. There are equally as many infernal students that preach down to CUBs that more than likely are happy driving their $1500 Combis blowing smoke with green piece stickers on the back windows, as there are major bogans in their VL Commys front seat laying back so far their looking out the back window and doff doff music is to be heard 500 metres away.

    Would I buy one of these TRD Aurions ? MMM Toyota make good cars I know they do but their entering a group of contenders that have been fighting each other for decades along with the supporters of each product , I guess where not interested in something that just doesn’t come across as…………. Blokey !

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Well said and how dam true!

  • jbot

    Klink (or Roberto, whatever you like to be called), when I graduate as a civil engineer, you certainly won’t be earning more than me for 1 house in my first year… And if you don’t think there is a shortage of engineers, you’re very wrong. Many firms are filling positions with foreigners, as there is simply not enough graduates to fill positions in Australia.

    “I make $30K a year Paul; mate Mr Bean states smarter things than you.” I’m pretty sure you’ve been commenting on wages also. Yeah, engineers make 1/10th of builders – Mr Bean says things much smarter than that too.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Hey Jbot, mate how is JLo. Mate I build multiple homes and get know it alls like you to do the work. You have no chance to match my wage as you are so wet between the ears you will serve tea in your first proper job that you get into with your qaulifications. Mate, you should of been on last night when your bumchum was fisting himself up the wall with his idiotic comments. Oh thats right, he displays similar intellect to you.

    Mate just get over it and comment about cars – Iam sure you will get a great career in your field and will be successful, it all takes time and it is great you are getting focussed on a good career move.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Go to 4.29pm as comment never originated from me – rather your acquantance who is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo out of touch with reality

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    AUGUST 2007 SALES: Commodore 4899 ~ Falcon 2973 ~ Aurion 1873 ~ Mitsubishi 380 – 658. OVERALL YTD: Toyota 20938 ~ Holden 12209 ~ Ford 9544.

    Fords range is not as broad as ever two car makers. Aurion not huge sales numbers. Commodore outsold all.

    Chief factor here is the very fierce retail competition offered that Holden does heaps of, consumer confidence and many new releases.

  • David

    Does any one know how sales of this car are presently going compared to HSV & FPV has been on sale for a month now.

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    David, no idea. Dare say HSV then FPV then TRD. Interesting to see the numbers?

  • big john

    g`day guys,i`ve just tuned into this site, and after veiwing the comments in the latter part of this list, i actually for got what the site was about. am i in the who`s dick`s bigger than who`s site?

  • Andrew M

    mate it would be nice to come on here to talk about cars but when people keep throwing uneducated life assumptions at you it is very hard not to defend silly comments

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Big John… mate turn it up, this website is cool and is very good, great writeups and occassional red necked comments by varied people in life. Take it in your stride and dont be a worry wart

  • jbot

    Just wondering Klink, why did you change your name from Roberto?

  • http://. Colonel Klink

    Bot boy…………….whatever, whatever I do what I want

  • David

    Big John,
    I’ve been told I don’t like cars by the great one(A.F.),when I do,told to go hug a tree by another.
    I wasn’t sure if he meant me to do it with my car or not & assumptions made about me being some old conservative who wears cardigans who occupies the RH lane doing 20 below the limit.Geez I’m so radical I don’t have body piercings or tatts.
    Do I care? No I come back often to have a look & maybe annoy someone in an inoffensive way with something I have written.It rubs the jagged edges off & you just might broaden the horizons & learn something.
    126 logs is getting a little long…there just might be one or two stirrers here…you never know.

  • Jahboi

    I would not buy this on two reasons:

    1. I am a Ford man and the XR6 Turbo is cheaper.
    2. Also i’m all about numbers and a Definate 245kw is better than a ‘PROPOSED 235kw’.

    So there you have it not only is the XR6T cheaper but would also leave the TRD on the Quarter.

  • Me.

    Theres also a new Falcon orion range with more power than the current BF this TuRD is not quite as fast an BF XR6 turbo and about to be upgraded.

  • greg

    The TRD Aurion ,what a joke……the only people that drive a Toyota Aurion are the over 55 brigade.The car itself is down right ugly….lets face it if you where going to fork out $45,000 plus would you buy it.Resale value would be a problem.

  • MASH

    ShaneT: Seems like you know your cars mate! :-) You made the Aurion T.R.D sound even better.. I would buy one on paper or not on paper, I have sat inside one of these (the demo inside showroom) And I was speechless…Just sitting inside this gorgeous beast and copping a feel is enough to make you want her, yet alone hearing the engine being charged. I would buy one at the drop of a dime… BUT being the impatient one I am I decided to go for the Aurion ZR6 for the time being, its the closest thing I could have to that amazing TRD…I know I will own it one day.. Until then I will be looking but not touching ;-)

  • Brando

    I think the Aurion TRD looks awesome. I’d have one if it didn’t cost so much.

    And what is this with people bagging the initials TRD??? some people just clutch at straws defending their CommaDOR’s

    I used to think that commodores were alright but with the sort of problems and recalls that they constantly have, what’s the point? I’d proberly buy a falcon before i bought a commodore, and definitely an aurion before either.

  • Fred

    AWD should make the TRD Aurion perfect. I’m also looking forward to a TRD Corolla with the Aurion non-turbo engine to leave the Alloytecs for dead.

  • http://srgjhgs Dan

    Hey guys, my dad owns a TRD Aurion 3500SL and hes loves it! I have to say he has quite a lead foot and every time he has come accross a XR6 Turbo or SS commodore he has raced and FLOGGED THEM!!!

  • Wheelnut

    Dan – your dad may be a traffic light hero… yet whether or not He FLOGGED THEM… means nothing unless you or your dad are certain that the driver of the XR6 or SS agreed to actively take part in a race with your dad.. which I very much doubt.

    I mean not everyone who owns/drives a performance car/street machine is a hoon or a leadfoot etc some of us are responsible drivers and look after our car which is why we prefer to just cruise – it’s just another case of the minority [usually teenagers L/P platers] ruining it for the majority

    Note: you’d be hard pressed to find a car enthusiast refer to an Aurion as a Performance car.

  • Duck

    ^Agreed Wheelnut! To add to that, the Aurion also may have moods on the TRD too! Though both a SS (Stock) and XR6T (Stock) are faster than a Stock TRD Aurion anyway so I can not see that the TRD Aurion would be faster than the two. Unless there is moods on the TRD Aurion like I mentioned. But then there is too much spin because of it’s a FWD.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au/1834/toyota-trd-aurion-would-you-buy-one/ John

    Wow it doesn’t have a Manual option, some people truly need to get over this whole “if it’s not a manual I’m not buying” Crap! The 6 speed autos are more fuel efficient, more reliable and overall quicker. Unless your a Supercar driver (which most the Ford and Holden owners THINK they are because they own there vroom vroom 8 cars) and KNOW how to shift properly at all times in all situations will you MAYBE benefit from the Manuals. Anyways I used to own a corolla did 500 000km before it gave up, you would struggle to get that out of any kind of Ford or Holden. AUSTRALIA ACCEPT CHANGE NOTHING STAYS THE SAME.

  • Houssam

    First, you cannot compare a Toyota to a Ford or a Commodore. This is due to the unquestionable fact that over the years Toyota has gained the reputation for selling higher quality vehicles in most classes than any other comparable mass producing manufacturer. The numbers speak for themselves as Toyota Motor Co. was claimed the world’s highest selling car manufacturer for 2008.
    Second, if a Toyota provides a car in a certain class that has a lower engine power rating than other cars in the same class it does not mean that they are faster. The first part of the answer is that Toyota follows the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE)’ standard codes and tests in determining the HP output of an engine while other manufacturers don’t necessarily, never correlate the published HP values for two vehicles with the performance output if the ratings are not significantly different. The second part of the answer is that Toyota vehicles always have a better overall design. That means the best combination of the involved mechanical parts (engine, axels, wheel base, gear and others), even if the HP rating is less the Toyota might be faster.
    Third, Toyota is a differently oriented company than other competitors. Toyota’s soul aim is to sell mass production vehicles this yields more profits. After the reputation they gained over the years they rarely go towards producing customized and more consumer oriented vehicles. They produce vehicles that are practical, durable and have reasonable performance. I.e. Toyota focuses into producing vehicles that provide the best combination for all aspects for the price you pay. Frankly speaking what they offer is much more complex and much harder to design than a “V8 Commodore”, this means that if they needed to design a V8 in the first place they would build a yard stick that would smash all the other cars in range.
    Toyota employs expert teams of professional and experienced engineers that aim for that pursue perfection in their work (which is the new Lexus campaign slogan by the way).

  • Wheelnut

    The main reason you cant compare a Toyota Aurion to a Commodore or Falcon is because they have such different characteristics.. the main one being the fact that the Toyota is FWD whilst the Ford and Holden are RWD which will inherently affect the way the car performs and handles in different situations. I mean would you really compare a Yaris to a Konigsiegg? – it’s the same thing

    And If Toyota wanted to build a V8 that would “smash” its competitors… why the hell didn’t they given that they have more money and more resources than Ford and Holden

    Thing is Toyota like to think that the Aurion is Game Changing when in actual fact they wanted to change the game by trying to get AVESCO to change the rules and regulations of V8 Supercars to suit them.. yet they were willing to accept the rules and regulations of F1

  • Wheelnut

    You’re right Lexii [plural you know] motto is “in the Pursuit of perfection”…. and that’s where they will remain in terms of design performance handling and technology…. always in pursuit of; trying to surpass BMW – who swept the pool in the international engine of the year awards

    BMW not only designed and built the worlds first modern hybrid car in 1991 but they also built a 1.4 engine which produced over 1200hp I’d like to see Toyota/Lexus do that

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahahaha………….your up late !You on holidays ?

  • Cupid Stunt aka No Name

    Its cold here BM hun. summers gone for us, leaves fallen from the trees just looking forward to skiing again hopefully, France or Italy this year. Guess it warming up there now.

    Don’t you just love Andrews Ute. Me want one.

  • Jeeves

    Well they tried and basically it was a big flop.
    Suck on it Toybota fans

  • This TuRD Needed A Good Flush Down The Toyleta

    No more Toyleta TuRD Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, they cant compete with RWD muscle, Toybota only attracts ageing masses and girls who don’t mind torque/over steer.

    OH WHAT A TeRD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Front Slider

    I did buy one what a waste of money should have bought a FPV or HSV,I know now.

  • Teaser

    I own 1, and I have owned the holdens and fords, i say for the amount of typhoons/xr6T’s, HSV’s and anything else that wants to have a crack the only one to beat it yet is a VN SS, and for comfort and the feel of driving a real race car at the same time, i dont thing a little bit of tourque steer out weighs how many have seen the ass end of the TRD and thought “F%$k is that a TOYOTA?”. Toyota reliability and finnished of realy nicely, well my black SL is anyway. Its a shame there isnt a follow on model but i think they got it pretty good first time around not like its competitors.

  • Tom

    Given how poorly TRD Aurion resales are holding up, I’d say the general public says no, they won’t buy a TRD, even at $38k for a year old ex-demonstrator.

  • Sad1

    One thing’s for sure…

    The whole world is saying “no thanks” to General motors with Ford not far behind.

    Teaser- i bought one of the TMR380′s and like you the XRT fan boys say WTF was that?

    Supercharged off the mark kills the turbos at the lights.

    19 inch Yokohamas make the torque steer nonsense just that…nonsense.

    I laugh when i see the Commodores smoking the rears as I take of with just a slight squeal from the front.

    Sure are a bunch of burger flipping bottle shop attendant losers in this lot….

  • Abscess

    TRD Aurion = Tryhard,Aussie Muscle Car.

  • Abscess

    Very Tryhard.

  • Abscess

    Just as try hard as backing Aussie racing car series instead of the real thing,Very Tryhard.

  • Abscess

    Toyota being Tryhard again with there F1 efforts,Very Very Tryhard.

  • Abscess

    TRD = Tryhard Racing Division

  • SteveH

    I take it you like the sight of your own typing Abscess?

  • Abscess

    Yea Steve its a better read than some of the Pro Toyota dribble,and more relevant.

  • SteveH

    Have to agree that your previous comments sound well informed, unbiased and insightful

  • Ben M

    I think it looks great. The main factor that would sway more towards the toyota is its interior. it looks so much better than the fords and im not too impressed with fords new design. the fpv’s look great but im not crazy about the other models. If the aurion was rear wheel drive id be putting my money down now.

  • Timbo

    If this car was rear wheel drive it would be fantastic. Otherwise there are too many donkeys for the front wheels to put on the road, and steer at the same time.. the result – UNDERSTEER!!! Why have a performance based large front wheel drive car? (Honda were the only ones who could pull it off with the fantastic Type R range although they were smaller cars). Was a similar situation with the Mitsubishi Ralliart Diamante. Fantastic engine, didnt look half bad either but front wheel drive ruined it. Same could have been said for their VRX 360 model too. Otherwise these would have been classic rear wheel drive aussie cars, and who knows we could have seen some Toyota, or Mitsi V8 versions in the V8 Supercar series?

  • izzac

    To Wheelnut: Don’t tempt the Japanese. Your nightmares may just come true..

  • izzac

    To SAM: You are an idiot. Toyota sells more cars than Ford and Holden in Australia and much more reliable than your Ford’s and holden’s, even though I am not a fan of Toyota.

  • sam

    i own a trd aurion and it is a great car. what maks it better is that it is rare and dont see many around. I personally think it looks great and drives well and very compfy.

  • Faceofaustralia_us

    toyota how the hell could you go past such a great car,the minning industry says it all,thats why they have stuck to toyota because the rest does not stack up to the hardness of the enviroment thousands are put through in our mines of australia,and i do suppose that having a toyota trd or whatever the case its a winner,couldnt lose .