Comments on: Ferrari flags F1 withdrawal

By: Rebel Ramos

Rebel Ramos — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:07:42 +0000

its crap bringing standard engines.

people does not come to see one make model race.

people come to see how each car supplier blend their technology into power with drivers ability. this is all joint agenda of Max and FIA.

but ferrari withdrawal might be just fear of loosing to Renault and McLaren. both have decent cars abd good pace. possible

By: Andrew M

Andrew M — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:31:28 +0000

Wheelnut,
V8SC never refused to change any rules to make it easier for other entries.

The one thing that toyota didnt like about V8SC is that it was stated by the board that any new manufacturer would have to committ for a minimum number of years with a minimum number of vehicles in order to stop someone coming in and pumping buckets of money into the one car, wiping the floor, and then leaving with their chest stuck out.

Toyota want enter unless they think they can get instant success.
why do you think they chose Gibbs racing to wear their colours in Nascar??

Toyota has never submitted an official proposal to V8SC.
they have had meetings to discuss what they may have to committ to, and thats about it.

but if for some reason 888 racing was interested in taking on another manufacturer, you bet ya toyota will jump right in as to tap right in to their already winning expertise.

toyota wont come in until a ready made winning team is on offer

By: Wheelnut

Wheelnut — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:50:52 +0000

Article – Ferrari’s concerns over standardised engines is so strong that, “the Board of Directors expressed the opinion that should these key elements be diminished, it would have to re-evaluate, with its partners, the viability of continuing its presence in the sport

Looks like Ferrari are suffering from what I lkie to call Toyota Syndrome…

That is that because V8 Supercars refused to change the rules to suit them Toyota made out as though they weren’t interested in entering the sport

And Ferrari are now saying that if F[arsical]1 changes the rules so that their dominance or their lead over the competition is deminished they will leave the sport.

In both cases Ferrari and Toyota have such an over inflated opinion of their importance etc and they believe they are bigger than the sport and without them the sport is nothing special..

All I can say is get over yourself…. if you’re really that good you will accept the changes overcome the difficulties and continue to win as that is the sign of a true champion

By: TuffGuy

TuffGuy — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:17:00 +0000

IMO good on Ferrari and I hope they stick to their guns. F1 is already well down the road of standardisation of various compnents. If F1 continues on its current path they will all end up driving in a one make series, thus leaving driver talent to win the race. So where is the fun in that? Then the next thing will be further cost cutting measures and they will all be driving Holden Barina’s or Kia Rio’s. F1 was once all about competition and development of new technologies. It is already sanitised and boring and if this continues it won’t only be Ferrari deserting the sport.

By: zjm

zjm — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:03:53 +0000

this would make F1 as ordinary as V8 supercars
I still remember all the yobo v8 fans screaming out for anything that they coudnt beat to be banned thats when motor racing took a giant leap backwards in australia
but its just not right to allow it to happen if F1!

By: Kimmi

Kimmi — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:33:33 +0000

Formula one should stays as same as current. It already has standized engine rule and regulation. We already have Indycar & A1GP for those people who want standized body and engine. I believe this is just bullcrap.

By: Mack

Mack — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:20:44 +0000

People need to get their facts right, if you don’t have a clue about F1 racing don’t comment, simple as that. I believe all the teams should form a break away series without the FIA if standard engines are implemented. Then again, bernie is getting old and wouldn’t be too long before he moves on, the F1 teams won’t have to put up with his shit for much longer, as for mosley, no one can take the guy seriously so…. i don’t think F1 fans have anything to worry about.

By: Marcoz

Marcoz — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:47:10 +0000

No its not sour grapes at all, they are exactly right, F1 is about different teams and abilities and what each team brings to the races and that is why the race was started long ago in the 1st place, to see which of the teams has the goods, if they bring in a set/standard engine an gearbox system for each and every car then what is the point of competition? I am a massive fan of F1 i love it, if ferrari goes then that will be the end of great F1 racing and an era too, ferrari have been then since the very start, i will never watch it again if ferrari goes….there want be any point….

By: acilk

acilk — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:12:13 +0000

Force India use Ferrari engines not Honda

By: GTRmon

GTRmon — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:14:47 +0000

Ivan: Super Aguri was using Honda engines and a Honda chassis, Force India use a Honda engine, Torro Rosso use a Ferrari engine, Red Bull use a Renault engine and Williams use Toyota engines.

Well, F1 is not Ferrari, that’s just band wagon talk. Given this is the pretty much the entire focus of Scuderia, I would be surprised to see Ferrari leave. It’s a bluff.
The standard engine is a bluff. Bernie isn’t stupid enough to turn F1 into Indy, Ferrari is just playing back at him.

They do need to cut costs drastically, Ferrari and Toyota in particular spend $400 M a year on F1 and half of that is on the engine alone. That’s why stock engines were discussed, it would halve the cost of competition.

The problem with cost cutting is that it limits innovation. Cost cutting is good for small teams and competition, but bad for technological innovation. It’s basically an argument of the business of F1 versus the technology of F1. They have to find a compromise.