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Chrysler defends Jeep Grand Cherokee against rollover criticism

JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE
By Tim Beissmann
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Chrysler Group has defended the safety of its Jeep Grand Cherokee after a Swedish magazine questioned its rollover integrity and called for the US-built SUV to be pulled off the market.

Chrysler issued an official statement overnight accusing Teknikens Varld (Technology World) magazine of unsafely overloading a new Swedish-specification Grand Cherokee Overland to achieve misleading results in a rollover test.

A video of the test published by Teknikens Varld (inserted below) shows the Grand Cherokee tipping up on two wheels and coming dangerously close to rolling while being subjected to the ‘moose test’ – a lane-change manoeuvre conducted at 63.5km/h designed to replicate evasive action taken to avoid an object in the vehicle’s path.

Although the Grand Cherokee, shod with 265/50R20 tyres, was equipped with electronic roll mitigation and electronic stability control, Teknikens Varld said the car didn’t “at all handle the loads built up in the chassis” and “isn’t at all performing as a modern car should”.

“You’ve seen the results, and we can only say: ‘Stop sell[ing] this car, Jeep, in this specification,” said Linus Projtz from Teknikens Varld.

Jeep Grand Cherokee fails evasive maneuver (moose test)

 

Chrysler Group reacted swiftly to the video, which has been republished by a number of news sites around the world, insisting that the Grand Cherokee in question was tested in an “overloaded condition”.

“The uncharacteristic result was obtained using a vehicle loaded beyond its weight specifications,” Chrysler said in a statement. “The Grand Cherokee’s weight limitations are clearly stated on the vehicle and in the owner’s manual.

“Chrysler Group engineers made numerous attempts to reproduce the wheel-lift in a properly loaded vehicle. Extensive testing produced no such result. A subsequent evaluation was conducted by the magazine July 8 in Sweden and witnessed by Chrysler Group engineers. Three vehicles performed 11 runs on a course prepared by the magazine. None reproduced the original event.

“Also, the extreme manoeuvre performed by the magazine is not certified by any regulatory agency, nor is it used to establish any sanctioned safety ratings. Chrysler Group takes seriously any safety concerns and engineers are examining the event to better understand the magazine’s claims.”

Respected US automotive publication Motor Authority claims the test conducted by Teknikens Varld was compromised, quoting a source close to the matter who said the vehicle contained five passengers and a cargo area filled with sandbags, putting it as much as 90kg over its specified weight rating.

Tekinkens Varld is yet to respond to the accusations or react to the follow-up tests conducted with Chrysler Group engineers on hand.

The Jeep Grand Cherokee was awarded a Top Safety Pick by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety in the US, and Chrysler says it “meets or exceeds all government safety mandates”.

The US government’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration gave the Grand Cherokee an overall rating of four stars out of five, including a four-star rollover rating.

The Grand Cherokee was also awarded a four-star safety rating by Euro NCAP in November and local affiliate ANCAP in December, missing the maximum five-star rating because of structural issues with the driver’s seat and average child occupant protection.

The Jeep controversy comes 15 years after Teknikens Varld hit headlines for its infamous rollover test of the first-generation Mercedes-Benz A-Class, which caused Merc’s then-brand-new small car to flip. Mercedes initially denied there was a problem with its car, but later recalled all vehicles sold to date and stopped distribution until it corrected the problem by modifying the vehicle’s suspension and adding electronic stability control.


 

  • Crummydore

    5 passengers and sand bags…. well lets see, were the sand bags equal the weight of say luggage for 4-5 people?

    If so then the car should be able to handle the test as there would be plenty of times a car like this would be this full as people tend to buy a vehicle of this kind with this in mind.

    Terrible, terrible from Jeep stuff if the Swedes test is proven correct.

    • Stmo

      Which why there are so many crashes in Holiday season. Overloaded cars and unskilled drivers are common on holidays. And so are the single vehicle crashes.

      Good test. Accurate results.

      • Crummydore

        Good call…. just hope anyone who drives one of these see the vid, might save a life.

        Interestingly Wheels had a similar issue with a Kluger a few years ago Ged Bulmer actually rolled it) which gained it a quick exit from its Car of the Year awards.

        Ended up being an ESP issue.

      • RSC200

        Unskilled drivers that’s the majority of Australia!

    • Hemi hammered

       From allpar website, Grand Cherokee passes German moose test
      While the magazine claimed the test had been carried out properly, Chrysler representatives were told by a test driver that the Jeep was overloaded. The magazine denied it, but in subsequent tests was unable to get any Jeep Grand Cherokee to fail the test.

      The German magazine Auto, Motor, und Sport (AMS) had already tested the Grand Cherokee and found that it passed the test without problems. The German magazine re-tested the Grand Cherokee
      after the Swedish test, using a test site sanctioned by the Allgemeiner
      Deutscher Automobil-Club (ADAC). Course dimensions and layout conformed
      to International Standards Organization (ISO) specifications.

  • kazuo

    Jeep tipped over due to over weight VS Toyota mistaken acceleration due to stupid ppl pushed wrong pedal.

    • Powell

      Perhaps there needs to be greater training in safe/defensive driving. 

  • Henry Toussaint

    Stop selling? thats a bit stupid, at least it’s got side and curtain airbags…

    • Phunken

      all the airbag in the car won’t help other cars crushed by a flipping Jeep

  • Amlohac

    IF its found that this website has in fact gone beyond the manufactuers specs for the vehicle and obtained a false test result im more than sure Jeep will have some stern words to say to them in court.

    Still… that video made me say “holy F&%$” out loud in the office just now, pretty crazy stuff.

  • nickdl

    It didn’t even roll over ffs…

    • DAVIDZ

      +1

    • Gav

      Only because the driver corrected the steering sufficiently. I’d bet 50% min of the soccer mums driving this car would be upside down quite quickly afterwards.

  • Mick Dunn

    If the magazine themselves couldn’t reproduce the issue then surely they should withdraw the accusations.  How sensationalist can you get?

  • Smart US

    bad bad bad journalism…  they could not replicate the thing under supervision of Jeep… id sue them for defamation

  • Acfsambo

    Im wondering if road surface has a bit to do with it? If the road had less grip then it would slide rather than fall over if the tires gripped on stickier tarmac? Even still, the driver in that video seems like a good driver, an average person who wasn’t ready for a moose in front of them would not react as quickly and as well as the driver in the video.

  • Losers.

    Excuses, excuses. It almost rolled right over what more do you “experts” want?? I wouldn’t buy one after seeing that.  Even if it was full of sandbags. Imagine if it had no sandbags in it. RIP Driver.

    • Joshs_gtr

       If it had no sandbogs in it it wouldn’t have rolled you mong…

  • Numanthepostman

    The last paragraph indicates to me that Mercedes-Benz A-Class had electronic stability control (ESC) back in 1997. Is this really correct?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karl-Sass/100000921334936 Karl Sass

    Despite what the SUV brigade think, you can’t fight physics.
    In the vehicles defence, it’s a proper 4WD that’s very capable off road, so you have to be aware of that fact when you drive it.

    • Legnab

      Thank you karl for bringing reality to this comment , maybe bogans with no brains might take heed .

  • Jinnzhang

    Is this normal to all S-U-V s?

  • filippo

    It’s the counter-argument I often offer to people who say they “need” an SUV, yet never go off-road. The higher centre of gravity will ALWAYS make a car like this more difficult to control in the event that you need to take evasive action. 

  • Kwark

    FFS, I’m sure plenty of cars (SUVs, 4WDs, Vans, etc) would react similarly or worse under the same conditions.  Who care’s whether they rolled it or not.  It IS a high riding vehicle, after all, and the potential for rolling a high centre-of-gravity vehicle in such circumstances should not be underestimated at any time.

    If its not your cup of tea to drive such a style of vehicle, then don’t.  If you like them, as I do, and buy one understanding that physics are physics (and tall heavy things are more likely to fall with high lateral forces) then so be it.  Good on you.  No need to take them off the market. 

    Just try these manouvres with anything sold before the tests became common place, and perhaps even since (ie, Patrol, Landcruiser).  Im confident similar outcomes would be found.  And before you start, I know they’re not new, but the do represent a significant number of the vehicles currently on the road, (and which most of us are more likely to purchase – over brand newies)…

  • Hhh

    Do the same test with keep there I’f not stop posting your useless videos on the Internet.

    Should be a bet placed between these two if they can make it do the same thing with jeep there they should revise the car if they can’t they should stop posting videos.

  • Brayden

    I’m going to go out on a limb here but in all my driver training I have never been told to swerve a vechical if you have a emergency situation I.E

    A kangaroo jumps in front of you
    A car pulls out in front of you
    Car suddenly stops in front of you

    Every time It’s the same answer try to stop with the brakes, wash off as much speed before impact as possible.

    That manoviour there doing there looks like the most unsafe thing you can do in that situation. If you doing 60kph and hit a car stationary most new cars will take the impact and you should be left with bruises etc I would rather write off my car by hitting the object then rolling it.

    This is why we have insurance people!

    • guest

      A moose has all it’s mass hiked up on four spindly legs. If you hit it square on the body will come in through your windshield and stop in the back seat…. You do NOT want to hit a moose at that speed. If you turn the moose might bounce off your wind shield post or slide sideways off the car.

  • Phunken

    This is a standard test in Sweden, moose is not like Roo… its like having a Suzuki Swift mass coming through your widscreen, so swerve and recover is a thing they would do. Maybe why they are better driver than us.

  • GC

    See your point Phunken and Guest but if driving in the australian outback like i have for most of my life, camel, kangaroo, or emu, you take it out, swerve and your gone…..

  • TrueBlue

    quite seriously the mag can’t recreate a result nor any other group 4 other tests,clearly the first test was an aberration.  The question isn’t did it pass or fail the test assuming the Mag didn’t deliberately do a set up to make it fail (and I don’t put that past them),its what happened on the first test ie electronics fail etc.
    I would be taking the independent NCAP and German testers position not a mag looking for headlines.