2008 Jaguar XF V8 vs Lexus GS460 Sports Luxury Road Test

Models Tested:

  • 2008 Jaguar XF V8 – $134,830 (RRP)
  • 2008 Lexus GS460 Sports Luxury – $139,492 (RRP)

Options:

  • None fitted.

plus.jpg Jaguar: Design and styling; technology; character. Lexus: Features; price; cabin noise.

minus.jpg Jaguar: Lack of features; low-end torque. Lexus: Front and rear head room; boot space; brake feel.

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- by Paul Maric; photos by Matt Brogan.


If you were ever after an alternative to the BMW 5-series or the Mercedes Benz E-class, you really only had one option – the Lexus GS. Jaguar’s S-type was only an option if you thought the moon landing was a hoax, or if you believed that speed limits save lives.

With that said, Jaguar finally realised that Lexus was pillaging a share of the market dedicated to people who hated endless option lists, and Teutonically efficient cars.

2008 Jaguar XF V8 vs Lexus GS460

It was only logical then that we lined up the two left-of-fielders to see if they really were a match for the German products, while also figuring out if Jaguar’s latest attempt was worth its name.

Jaguar XF V8

I donned the top hat, tweed jacket and tan slacks to head off and collect the Jaguar test vehicle. My recollection of Jaguars of yesteryear has always been that of elegance, luxury and prowess.

After arriving at Jaguar I was somewhat surprised to find my ensemble of clothing was about 40-years too old for the car. Much to my surprise, I was faced with a modern, aggressive looking car with a design to unsettle even the strongest German supporter.

Jaguar has stepped into the 21st century – and beyond – with the all-new Jaguar XF. Although the headlights are a bit hit and miss with some, the rest of the car can’t be faulted from a design perspective, with An Aston Martin-esque rear end, gorgeous flowing lines from the bonnet to the boot and a side profile to arouse diehard greenie Toyota Prius supporters.

2008 Jaguar XF V8

If the exterior wasn’t enough to win you over, the interior would surely strike the right chord. One of the first things you notice is the lack of a traditional gear lever. Instead, Jaguar uses a rotating knob that rises from the centre console. A heartbeat style throb is emitted from the starter button, which needs to be stabbed to get the 4.2-litre, 219kW V8 engine burbling.

The V8’s fuel economy is officially 11.1-litres/100km, which was just shy of what I achieved on test. A sprint from 0-100km/h takes around 6.5-seconds, which was about on the money when tested.

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 The interior is on par with the exterior in terms of design and innovation. A touch-sensitive glove box opener, along with touch-sensitive overhead lights are bound to keep passengers entertained for hours.

2008 Jaguar XF V8

Rear legroom is pretty good for a vehicle of this size. Although it’s a five-seater, two adults can comfortable fit abreast along the back seat, while the front seat passenger is offered a plethora of legroom.

The XF line-up begins with the 2.7-litre diesel model at $108,350, there is also a 3.0-litre V6 petrol version for the same price. The V8 model being tested though retails at $134,830. The range topper – the supercharged 4.2-litre V8 – is priced at $173,170.

The part where this Jag really had to succeed was with on-road dynamics and without wishing to sound like a paid advertorial, Jaguar has hit the nail right on the head. From the moment you begin moving, you know this is a special machine. Subtle suspension and superb body dynamics make this cat a pleasure to steer.

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Paddle shifters on the steering wheel allow manual gear selection, while a ‘Sport’ mode allows for retention of gears and a sporty drive. The naturally aspirated V8 being tested lacks torque from the lower end of the rev range and really needs revs before it gets singing – the engine note is worth the wait though.

There’s a bit of body roll when pushing hard through corners, but it’s nothing that can’t be tamed. The brakes are pretty impressive, with great brake feel throughout the entire application.

I was disappointed to see a lack of some features, such as heated seats in the premium V8 model. But full iPod integration, along with memory card compatibility was a bonus.

2008 Jaguar XF V8 vs Lexus GS460

It was hard handing back the keys to Jaguar’s all new XF. I was continuously enthralled by its menacing, yet subtle presence. Nobody was able to guess it was actually a Jaguar and it turned heads everywhere it went.

It’s hard to imagine Jaguar not succeeding with this car; the main clincher will be the price. It’s a decent sum of money for a model with no cachet in the market place – yet.

But, if I was buying, I’d skip the German opposition and I’d have one of these pussies in the garage without a moment’s hesitation – it really is that good.

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Specifications:

  • Engine: 4196cc eight-cylinder (32 valve)
  • Power: 219kW @ 6000rpm
  • Torque: 411Nm @ 4100rpm
  • Induction: Multi-point injection
  • Transmission: Six-speed automatic
  • Driven Wheels: Rear
  • Brakes: Disc with ABS & EBD
  • Top Speed: 250km/h
  • 0-100km/h: 6.5 seconds
  • 0-400m: N/A
  • CO2 Emissions: 264g / km
  • Fuel Consumption: 11.1 litres / 100km (Combined)
  • Fuel Tank Capacity: 69.5 litres
  • Fuel Type: 98 RON petrol
  • EuroNCAP Rating: N/A
  • Safety: ESP, TCS, Front & Side & Curtain Airbags
  • Spare Wheel: Space saver
  • Tow Capacity: N/A
  • Turning Circle: 11.48 metres
  • Warranty: 3 year/100,000km
  • Weight: 1749kg (Tare)

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 Lexus GS460

Amidst the rivalry between the Germans – Mercedes and BMW – Lexus has been slowly chipping away at their market, stealing the punter who is sick of paying devilish amounts for options that really should be standard.

Lexus hates options so much that they don’t actually have any available on the GS460; the ‘Sports Luxury’ guise it comes in is fully loaded.

The test vehicle was black and looked superb both while rolling and stationary. The blasé colours Lexus press vehicles normally come in detract from their true sense of style, but the black certainly brought out the best in the car.

2008 Lexus GS460 Sports Luxury

Chrome highlights and 18-inch alloy wheels give the GS460 a sporty look. Minor design changes accompanied the new engine in the GS mid-life facelift. Other changes also include indicators in the wing mirrors and minor tweaks to the headlights – barely noticeable, but there nonetheless.

The somewhat uninspiring key fob can be left in the driver’s pocket, allowing a grab of any door handle to unlock the car.

Once inside, black is back – apparently. The only signs of colour come from the ‘wood grain’ steering wheel and ‘wood grain’ door and centre console inserts. While the Jaguar’s dashboard is leather bound, the Lexus GS460 uses a rubbery plastic along the dashboard and along the doorsills. It looks a bit cheap in comparison, but rebounds to the touch.

2008 Lexus GS460 Sports Luxury

When I mentioned the GS460 is fully loaded with features. I wasn’t joking! A 14-speaker Mark Levinson sound system, along with heated and cooled seats eclipse the XF’s offering. Not to mention the radar cruise control, electric rear sunshade and DVD player.

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Rear seat leg and headroom is severely compromised in the Lexus. The sloping roofline is bad news for tall passengers, while legroom is stolen by a low-slung driver and front passenger seat. The seats are comfortable though, with adequate side and bottom support.

Boot room is also a bit on the meagre side at 430-litres, compared to the Jag’s 500-litres, which means that it’s only the golf clubs that will fit in the boot – forget about the tennis gear!

2008 Lexus GS460 Sports Luxury

Much like most Lexus vehicles, an emphasis is placed on tranquillity and solace. Turn over the engine and it would be anyone’s guess that it’s a V8. The quiet nature extends to the cabin where a pin can be heard dropping at cruising speed.

The GS460’s driving dynamics around town are enjoyable. The steering is easy to manoeuvre and parking is a breeze with good visibility and a high-resolution reversing camera.

Hit the mountains though and the GS is a mixed bag. The steering feel is good and there is enough communication through the wheel to keep most happy, it’s the power delivery that is the main concern.

The gearbox has a mind of its own. You really need to mash the pedal right down to the floor to get the revs climbing; the sport mode really doesn’t work hard enough to deliver the torque required. The brakes are pretty good though, pulling up the GS in noticeable fashion when stomped on. But, they have very little feel when attempting to modulate pressure, they certainly don’t fill the driver with confidence.

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Body control is okay, but there is a decent amount of body roll, which creeps in when approaching the limits.

Under the bonnet you will find a 4.6-litre V8 that produces 255kW of power and 460Nm of torque. An eight-speed automatic gearbox controls the shifts, while power is sent through the rear wheels.

Expect the V8 to use around 11.0-litres/100km. My fuel use was around 12-litres/100km, slightly higher than the official figure. A dash from 0-100km/h takes 5.8-seconds – slightly optimistic in my opinion.

The GS line-up begins with the GS300 at $99,240, while the GS460 retails for $139,492. There is also a Hybrid V6 version, the GS450h, available for $128,899.

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If value for money is a consideration of yours, it’s hard to look past the GS460. It features a hauling V8, a myriad of features and the reliability of a Lexus package.

It has its downsides though. The lack of rear head and legroom, along with iffy handling characteristics will be the clincher for some buyers.

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Specifications:

  • Engine: 4608cc eight-cylinder (32 valve)
  • Power: 255kW @ 6400rpm
  • Torque: 460Nm @ 4100rpm
  • Induction: Multi-point injection
  • Transmission: Eight-speed automatic
  • Driven Wheels: Rear
  • Brakes: Disc with ABS & EBD
  • Top Speed:N/A
  • 0-100km/h: 5.8 seconds
  • 0-400m: N/A
  • CO2 Emissions: N/A
  • Fuel Consumption: 11.0 litres / 100km (Combined)
  • Fuel Tank Capacity: 71 litres
  • Fuel Type: 98 RON petrol
  • EuroNCAP Rating:5-star
  • Safety: ESP, TCS, Front & Side & Curtain & Knee Airbags
  • Spare Wheel: Full size spare
  • Tow Capacity: N/A
  • Turning Circle: 10.5 metres
  • Warranty: 4 year/100,000km
  • Weight: 1789kg (Tare)
  • Wheels: 245/40 R18

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CONCLUSION-

If the decision were based on looks alone, I would hand the win to the Jaguar without even thinking twice. But, the decision isn’t based just on looks.

Lexus’ GS line has been around for three years now. It received a minor facelift just recently and had the new ‘460’ motor thrown in for extra power and better fuel efficiency. It improved on an already competent package.

So we know that Jaguar’s new XF looks stunning and drives like a true cruiser should, but it is severely compromised when it comes to features. The GS receives heated and cooled seats, along with a premium Mark Levinson sound system; while both the Bowers and Wilkins sound system and heated seats are options on the Jaguar.

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The other issue with the Jaguar is its limited ‘experience’ in this field. The XF is the first of its kind and we’re yet to see how well it will fare in the marketplace in terms of reliability and durability.

The result for this comparison is far closer than I thought it would be. The Lexus GS460 brings features, reliability and even more features to the table. The Jaguar XF V8 on the other hand brings absolutely polarising styling and a drive to envy.

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After considering the pros and the cons, the win goes to the Jaguar XF – but only by a small margin.

If you can compromise on features, the Jaguar offers a superior drive, additional leg and headroom, along with a brilliant engine and gearbox combination. At the end of the day, these aspects will most likely swing the majority of buyers.


  • http://deleted Alex

    Id definitley have the Jaguar. I think it looks better (for the people who dont like the Jaguars looks, dont forget that the Lexus isnt exactly beautiful) and I think Lexus drivers have a rather bad reputation as characterless wankers (im not saying they all are, just alot of them). I know Jaguar has an old man image with alot of people but I think thats changing. I also think the Jaguar would have a more engaging drive.

  • Genie

    If I had the money for this range of car I would definitely pick the XF hands down, probably the diesel version to get around the lack of torque issue. Probably wouldn’t even give the lexus a look in, it simply has no visual presence, like most lexus’s its goopy looking. BMW 5 series is probably a better drive, but I reckon the XF strikes the best balance of driving ability and looks. Plus its a little left field.

  • Phillip

    Good comparison. The Lexus should win on features alone but they are soulless machines made for dentists.

  • Alien

    ok I need to know wtf people are going on about when they say no soul .. I mean you’re no Mark Levinson who’s obviously more passionate than anyone commenting here (passionate with his audio that he only considers Lexus for his work) – then the way these cars are made ( the very depth they go through, ever been to one of their plants?)

  • http://deleted Alex

    Alien, do you know Mark Levinson personally? I doubt it. I don’t know if you’ve realized but a car and a sound system, no matter how good either one may be, are very different things. Nobody here is saying that the Lexus is bad (yet) but they are a bit soulless and characterless mainly because they can be a bit hard to fault if you just want a well sized, pleasant and powerful cruiser. The Jaguar is probably always going to be more a drivers car than a Lexus and you’ll probably always have your Lexus/Mercedes/BMW/Jaguar/Audi lovers that will never go to another brand. Also, is it just possible, maybe just a tiny bit possible that Mark Levinson puts his sound systems in Lexus’ because Lexus offered him the most money? Im sure he is extremely passionate about his Sound Systems but he’s not going to give it to BMW if he’s being offered half the money is he? But he just might if he was offered twice the money. Finally, only considering Lexus? Why not only consider Rolls Royce then? Quieter, even slightly better made again and more status to make a bigger name for himself. Would make more sense…

  • Team Vodafone,,,,Endurance Experts

    Jag for me anyday please, the Lexus looks like a cheap Toyoda whitegood painted black with chrome trimmings.. interior, exterior is shocking, very cheap look and feel about it, where as the Jag becomes a completely different class inside and out, sorry but you can’t even compare the two..

  • Victory

    I agree with the verdict, but if I was to put my hard earned cash on one of these cars, I’d still pick the GS460. I’d tolerate the fact it isn’t as good looking or doesn’t drive as well purely because I wouldn’t trust the Jag in terms of build quality.
    But the true winner in my opinion is the Mercedes CLS. I wonder why the CLS never gets a mention?

  • http://www.littlepixiegifts.com.au Gift-Ed

    How much are the options on the Jag, because it’s $5k cheaper to start with.

    I would always buy the better car even if it had a few less toys on it, and in this case, it is by far the Jaguar.

  • pg

    we all knew mondeo>camry

  • Bobo

    Beauty in eye of owner! Myself and most of the mates at the office actually think the Jag looks absolutely ugly up front though the back is lovely (aston martin copycat – sorry for pun). Somehow the Jag looks like a cheap Ford Falcon pasted on up front, they made a huge mistake with this design.
    The great debate about “pedigree” versus substance is still very strong and I think in most instances, “pedigree” wins. Remember how Merc used this pseudologic against BMW 30 years ago? Then in the 80′s/90′s BMW used it against Audi……….enough said, now the German fans use it against Lexus. Heard it all before.
    I can’t comprehend how the label “driver’s car” can be used anymore. We’ve got 50-60 kph speed limits in most roads and speed cameras around every corner. The majority of us don’t go to the speed track Mon-Fri…..we commute to work!
    Lexus should have been the clear winner in this shoot-out IMO. No I’m not a dentist and yes, I’ve owned a few German autos.
    OK NOW BRING ON THE arguments from the “True Drivers” and “Pedigree Fans”!!

  • Grammar Nazi

    Victory – I agree the CLS is a pretty special package, however when I drove it I couldn’t abide the tiny side windows – I felt as if I was trapped in a metal bath-tub unable to see outside.

  • pious

    Gift-Ed, for the V8 with B & W stereo plus sunroof, around $143K plus stamps, pre LCT increase. The stereo is a $2,500 option on the PL pack, from memory, and it is amazingly good – far better than the volvo PL stystem, which is known to be very good. Heated/cooled seats are a few grand as well (come with heated steering wheel – strewth!). For me, the Jag is the pick (and I picked it). It is a little slower, but when you drive a car that beautiful, you dont need to blast people from the lights coz you’ve got nothing to prove.

  • Dlr1

    Saying that your car has “character” is an admission that you are willing to repeatedly fix problems with the car because of less than perfect design or build quality. I once owned an Alfa Romeo and it had heaps of character! Why is it that if a car has excellent build quality, more options, lower price and better reliability it gets labelled as bland? I guess thats the best insults all the badge snobs can come up with.

  • Nick

    To all you Lexus bashers , I would rather have a toyota rather a crapy Ford ! I am sure like the writer said the realiability issues have not been tested …….I think the writer is still biased by the looks… It looks like a done up Mondeo but slightly larger. I guess it does not matter what we think in Australia because Lexus is the luxury leader in the US where the market is.

  • Bucket

    Nick,

    About the only thing they Mondeo and Jag have in common is the Chassis and as you probably know- Ford a renowned world wide for being one the best when it comes to tuning a chassis. Suspension and overall handling, Ford of Europe have it in spades.
    This car is a standing testament to Geoff Polites whose job it was to pull Jaguar out of the 20th Century and throw it head first into the next. “Crappy Ford” as you put it is (Especially in FoE’s case) is totally unsubstantiated. Why assume there will be reliability Issues? I don’t ever remember hearing about massive recalls of Jags for a very long time.
    IMHO, Lexus lacks character (known as “Soul” to some). Sure, the car is packed full of features but the design smacks of generic traits that allow it to blend into a sea of blandness. When your spending $130k+ on a vehichle- I would want there to be something unique. Something that sets it appart. The Jag trumps the Lexus, right down to its questionable nose.

  • JC

    Toyota (and Lexus) get labelled boring or bland because there is no sense of occasion when you drive them. When I drove the LS, GS and IS, I was thinking “this is a nice place to sit in and it’s quiet” but was nothing memorable. When you drive a Jag or a BMW, there’s a sense that the people who made and designed the car have a passion for cars. It’s that indefinable bit that Toyota can’t find.
    You get the same feeling when driving a Corolla compared to a Focus.
    Toyota are good at putting cars together well, but not cars that people lust over.
    And you can’t really use the US market as the benchmark for how good a car is – the general buying public over there have shown again and again that they don’t know much about cars. They made the Hummer successful.
    As for reliability, Jag has long been past the reliability issues. Reliability surveys consistently put Jag up towards the pointy end now.
    Just one other thing – the writer says Jag has limited experience, and that the XF is the first of its kind – what kind is that? The XF is built on a heavily modified version of the S-Type’s platform and they have been building a mid-size luxo for a few years now.

  • http://faster DanMan

    I’d take the Lexus as a Daily Driver and have something ‘characterful’ for the weekend. I do like the Lexus because it deliver’s exactly what you expect and has the best ownership packadge of any car on sale…

  • Frontman

    Quote from article
    “The other issue with the Jaguar is its limited ‘experience’ in this field. The XF is the first of its kind and we’re yet to see how well it will fare in the marketplace in terms of reliability and durability.”

    Ummm Limited experience??? How long has the Jaguar nameplate been with us? Reliability issues have not been a problem for Jag since Ford’s ownership was able to take affect, and it is way to early to say that Tata’s has had an effect on the build Quality.
    You also state the GS has been with us for 3 years? sorry it was released in Aus in 97, as a six and was in the US from about 95 so they should have it pretty close to right one would think.
    However that’s my journo bash :-) either car would be a nice option in Australia where ultimate speed and handling are not usable. I would go the Jag cause I’m old. ;-)

  • Tom

    The jag without a doubt is the winner here, it looks sensational, and that interior…

    If i was dropping this sort of money i would just have to get the supercharged version though.

    And also how is it that both these cars can return 6 cylinder commodore and falcon like fuel economy, with v8 engines?

  • TP

    The Jaguar is good looking? Dear god!

    - A grill that looks like a Whale Sharks mout.
    - Brakelights which just cut and stop above some cheap looking chrome.

    No thanks.

  • pious

    After 3,000 odd kms, I am averaging 15 litres/100km in the V8 XF, driving mainly around town (better than the 20 litres I was getting initially).

    I might be off the mark, but to me, the Lexus is a car that you buy after the application of much common sense, and you then rationalise why it is better value or a better car than a european. You dont need any excuse or rationalisation to buy the Jag.

  • Nick

    Bucket, please read
    Jaguar XF MY2009 vehicles – Rear Seat Belt D-Loops

    Date: 25/08/2008

    Supplier Name: Jaguar Australia

    Product Make: Jaguar

    Product Model: XF

    Target Number: 187

    Model Years From: MY2009

    Consequences:

    Campaign Number: J007

    VIN Range: R00019 to R22438

    Serial Range:

    Product Info:

    Defect Details: A minority of vehicles built up until VIN R22438 may have had seat belt D-loops fitted where the D-loops may not freely rotate. The seat belt may not run freely when the rear seat belts are being pulled out, and should a vehicle suffer a moderate to heavy front impact, the rear seat occupants may not be fully restrained.

    Consumer action: Contact your Jaguar dealer

    Market Coverage: National

    Recall Coverage: National

  • pg

    for all those complaining about the jags headlights, have a look at the lexus, way too much chrome, and what is with the wierd lights next to the grill…looks half done.
    and plus the lexus dash is nothing compared to the jaguar, its just black blandness, a camry dash with a bigger screen imo

  • Victory

    I am biased towards Lexus. You basically get the common sense that Japanese cars have, with a decent brand.
    When I see Lexus drivers, I think they know how to enjoy motoring and I assume they’re thinking “you don’t know what you’re missing”.

  • Realcars

    The Jag looks like an Aston Martin and the Lexus looks like an Aurion.

    Jag looks magnificent. Jag looks a million dollars.

    Lexus looks like another Toyota.

    Lexus buyers should compare an Aurion Presara and save some money.LOL.

  • Camski

    I can assure you, the Lexus line is nothing like it’s Toyota counterparts.

    Take for example the IS250 and the Camry. Drove the Camry as a hire car up in Cairns and the steering feels like it’s floating. There’s no communication and it’s as light as a cloud. There’s some twisty bits about in Cairns and the car was such a let down. By comparison, the IS250 feels very BMW E46 3 Series-ish, quite communicative, maybe a bit light (but this suits a large chunk of Lexus IS customers) but still direct and not too numb/dead around the center.

    With that said, there is no way i’d compare the Corolla, Camry and Aurion to the IS and GS when it came to handling and performance.

  • Baji

    Looks? 100% Jag. It looks amazing. Especially in the metal. In a sea of traffic, you’d be hard pressed to pick out the lexus, where as you’d spot that jag so quickly, since it looks so good. I’ve never really been a fan of Jag’s but this one is really changing my mind. I like everything about it.

    But i’ve always been a huge fan of lexus as well. If i had the money, i’d get both.

  • Alistair

    Lexus anyday for me please. Jag = Ford crap. Everyone knows how crap Fords are!

  • Andrew

    Some people will never understand why the Jag is better. It’s better because it gives you a feeling that old guys with tweed jackets have designed it to give you, the driver, something every time. If you bought the XF now would you remember it in 20 years? Would you with the Lexus?

    Do you want to be the guy who remembers buying a $140K car based on pure logic and reliability? Life’s too short for that. Flippy vents, pulsating start buttons and heritage win for me. The Lexus may be more sensible but who cares?

  • http://AustralianCarAdvice Justin

    Who cares, a sh*t load of people !!

    Lexus please … thank-you

    Jag – poorer quality

    Lexus – nothing comes better quality

  • zahmad

    I dont hat Lexus, but remember toyota built the lexus brand so that it can get into the luxury business….theyToyota’s are “reliable” because they dont have much things to go wrong!…Then they bring in Lexus…lots of things to go woring…equal footing for all brands in terms of quality…

    ..thus, Jag for me!

  • http://deleted Alex

    I think what people are forgetting here is that yes, the Lexus is fantastically well built but the Jaguar isnt badly built, infact quite the opposite. The Jaguar is very well built, its just next to a Lexus, its never going to win is it?

  • Team Vodafone,,,,Endurance Experts

    Lexus = Toyota, hmmmmmm we all know how bland and boring they are, Jaguar is superior in every way.

    Anti spam word Suzuki, now theres a Japanese manufacturer that has more character and presence than any Toyoda vehicle..

  • Non smoker

    Today I saw a circa 1989 Jaguar Sovereign driver open his door while stopped at traffic lights and empty out the 20 odd cigarette butts from the ashtray onto the road. A drain was about one metre away.
    I was disgusted and no longer have any respect towards Jaguar drivers.

  • Team Vodafone,,,,Endurance Experts

    Nice observation Non Smoker, but I have seen the same thing from a asian Lexus driver around ahhhhh you guess right Toorak, not good coming from a dressed up whitegood with extra chrome trimmings..

    How can you have respect for Toyoda, a company who has cheated in every motorsport classification, I think this is worse than a few butts on the road..

  • pious

    hey, Non-Smoker! As a non-smoking jag driver I am devastated that you have no respect for me…boo-hoo!!! I will have to console myself driving my beautiful, beautiful jag…(sniff!)

  • Baji

    Team Vodafone, please leave the racial sterotyping out of this discussion please.

  • http://faster DanMan

    I guess one of these is for the head and the other for the heart..
    Having a father who worked for Jaguar Australia between 1974-2004 i can tell you that Jaguar quality is, while greatly improved in the ninties, nowhere near the Japanese, mainly let down by Ford trying to get a profit on the billion they paid for Jag back in the day and leading to compromise’s in transmission, etc.
    Well i work for the Japanese and while the owners may lack the ‘passion’ present for the Jag, they are generally pretty smart people and outright handling ‘at the limit’ is low on their shopping list.
    Besides they usually have something else nice in the garage anyway.. “for the weekend”

  • CB

    None of the above thanks – C63 AMG or soon to be available M3 sedan for me.

    That Jag rear end is beautiful though… pity the front is average… and the Lexus is a good effort but there’s something about it that turns me off. I’d get a 5 series BMW in that size bracket.

  • Philip

    The article starts off saying ’ If you were ever after an alternative to the BMW 5-series or the Mercedes Benz E-class, you really only had one option – the Lexus GS.’ First car that comes to mind is without a doubt the Audi A6. The Lexus interior definitely gives me Toyota vibes, whereas the Audi never gives you a Volkswagen vibe. I’d opt for the Jag, ‘cause as some already mentioned, buying a car is not all about logic, but about the feeling. How else could you argue for spending that much on a vehicle.

  • Paul Maric

    Philip:

    Sorry about that Philip, you’re right.

    Audi have been offered very little in terms of test vehicles of late, so it was an unintentional neglect of mention. The A6 slipped my mind.

  • Joe

    Hey DanMan, my old Boss in the 80′s owned the biggest Jaguar Dealership in Johannesburg and he loved Jag’s but even he had to admit that the quality was terrible back then. As far as Ford ownership goes, Ford bought Jaguar in the early 90′s and far from draining Jaguar’s coffers Ford invested billions into Jaguar and even though it was a very slow process quality slowly improved, right up to the current range which everyone agrees is far better than when Ford took over. And what are you saying DanMan about transmissions? I seem to remember the infamous old Jaguar J-gate !! Now there was a hell of a transmission eh! How can a so called expert like you even compare the J-gate to the current ZF 6 spd.
    BTW I wonder what your dad thinks about you working for Toyota?

  • EnamoredLeviathan

    Id buy the Jaggie hands down compared to the Lexus GS, the Lexus GS looks like a hybrid Toyota/Honda Accord, however, I’d rethink it and buy the Lexus GS because I know for sure that hunk of metal will last up to 270,000 miles in the long run, will be cheaper to fix, and will be more reliable. However, id rethink it and buy the Jag, cuz if I want to spend that much money, Id just buy the effen Jag, period. In other words, if you want reliability, dont a ton of money on premium whips, buy an accord, until then, buy the Jag if you want that luxury look and feel, dang

  • Harry

    I’m a soul-less dentist and I am going to buy the Lexus GS. If I want a sporty ride I drive my Porsche Carrera S. There is no need to buy a luxury 4 door car when you want a sports car. If you want excitement buy a dedicated sports car or book for a root canal at my office. If you want luxury, buy a Lexus.

  • Duck

    Yeah, I’d have to have the Jaguar.

  • Duck

    TP, seriously, you don’t have taste!

  • Jacob

    My dad just traded his bmw m5 in and brought the new jag.in the mountains the jag fell more planted better controled.but the lack of the low down touque is a real issue. Cruising along the highway is a nicer affair the the m5

  • http://eventime@tpg.com TimC

    Do you buy a car based on an emotional appeal, or do you see it as an appliance to carry you from A to B with minimum fuss and maximum reliability?

    Lexus produtcts and Lexus service set standards for both above that the Germans have failed to provide; Ford and now India have owned Jaguar for long enough to prove their worth in these areas – if they could. Have they done so?

    When you make a major investment in a manufactured product such as a car, ask yourself how long do you intend to use it and what do you hope to receive from the experience.

    Lexus has consistently topped quality assessments worldwide because the experience of owning a Lexus, having it serviced and using it on a daily basis overcomes any lesser superficial judgements regarding driving excitement, styling or suburban snob appeal. With lower operating costs, higher resale value and stone axe reliability, Lexus will continue to trounce Jaguar.

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  • Kiyoshi Manabe

    I have heard of an example of the Lexus GS430,powered by previous generation 4292cc V8 engine yielding 221kw(300ps),being able to post 0-100km/h in 5.21sec!,much faster than quoted data of 6.1sec. Thus well run-in,loosen up example with proper engine oil can surpass manufacturer data,I’m confident of.
    So well loosen-up guise of GS460(347bhp) could mark around 5sec flat(4.8-5.1sec) for 0-100km/h times,I expect.

  • Raymond

    G6E Turbo and 6.0 Calais AFM kills them both for value for money , reliability , running costs, performance and at the same time “technology”

    ;)