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VW Golf GTI Cabriolet Review

VOLKSWAGEN GOLF

Pros: Refinement; handling; quality; excellent resale

Cons: Exhaust note is too quiet; sloppy DSG; not yet confirmed for Australia

By Damion Smy |
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Price: $32,670 to $38,830

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It’s a risk to mess with the undisputed icon, but it’s one possibly being taken with the first Volkswagen Golf GTI Cabriolet since the MkI model sold into the 1980s.

Yet does lopping the roof off one of the world’s finest hot-hatches make a mean cabrio or instead soften the GTI’s edge?

‘Soft’ is not what you’d call the Volkswagen Golf GTI Cabriolet by looking at it. It seems an easy solution: take the new Golf Cabriolet, launched here in 2011, and simply bolt on the GTI bits and drop in its go-fast suspension and driveline. That is, to be somewhat naive, effectively what’s been done here, with two lauded VW products coming together. Yet it’s a cost effective way to tackle the Mazda MX-5 and Mini Cooper S Cabrio.

Arguably, it looks the most masculine, with less cute and more ‘proper’ GTI bits, from the lower ride height, polished alloys, GTI bumpers and classic red-striped honeycomb grille for serious street cred.

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On top of the traditional GTI cues, there’s the black cloth soft-top with its class-leading 9.0-second opening time. It can be operated at up to 30km/h, so there’s no getting caught in the rain, where it drops seamlessly into the GTI’s waistline to sit behind the rear seats. Cleverly, this design means that it doesn’t need a meddlesome roof separator in the 250-litre boot, making this one of the most practical cabrios on sale.

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Operating the roof is a switch added to the centre console, with the cabin barley changed from the hatch otherwise. The dash is well bolted together with quality switchgear, classical white-on-black dials, and a neat centre screen for the audio, settings and optional satnav all surrounded by high-end surfaces.

There’s the hatch’s leather-wrap, three-spoke steering wheel and handbrake cover, with paddle-shifts for the DSG or sports knob for the manual shifter. The rear seats are hardly adult-sized, and of course, you can’t have a GTI without those supportive sports seats trimmed in classic ‘Jacky’ tartan.

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What’s it like with the roof up? Well, refinement is so impressive that you’d never know you’re in the Cabriolet. There’s a tad more wind noise, but it’s better than some hard top vehicles – it’s that good. Dropping the roof doesn’t reveal a Jekyll and Hyde contrast though, as it remains very quiet. We’d love to hear more of that burbley exhaust note and those wonderful (artificial) blips between changes on the DSG. The wind is well contained too, while there’s a wind deflector if you’ve just left the salon.

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This is not a hairdresser’s car though, as this is the most powerful VW Cabriolet ever. Under the bonnet there’s the same 155kW turbocharged four-cylinder petrol engine that powers the hatch. It’s loaded with tech, such as direct fuel injection, and delivers its peak 280Nm at a low 1700rpm through to 5200rpm, giving the GTI Cabriolet a wide sweet spot under throttle.

The driving position is excellent, with rake and reach steering adjustment, allowing you to mash the super responsive throttle. Snatching gaps in traffic is a breeze, but the manual is more effective than the DSG, which can occasionally hesitate while picking the next gear. The slower 0-100km/h time of 7.3 seconds is 0.4 seconds down on the hatch, but it matches the Mini Cooper S Cabrio and is almost two seconds better than the Mazda MX-5.

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It’s largely down to the additional 148kg that the Cabriolet carries, but even with the extra heft it still boasts the hatch’s sharp turn-in, well-weighted steering and high grip levels. The XDS electronic sports diff, a function of the ESP, is standard on all Euro-spec GTI Cabriolets, and helps the GTI Cab deliver predictable handling. It’s easy to place it into corners, with the power usable on the way out. It’s a cinch to drive and remains composed over mid-corner bumps with a compliant ride.

There is a minor amount of body flex, but you’re more likely to notice it over a freeway bump than when you’re on a back road. It won’t ruin your day, but the GTI’s stiffer chassis and more rigid body mean little wobbles are more apparent than in regular versions of the Golf Cabriolet.

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Like the hatch, the ESP can’t be completely switched off, but it’s not at all intrusive when you’re pushing the cab out of corners. Its brakes are strong, making this a package that inspires confidence and satisfaction. The GTI has always been about balance not outright power or 0-100km/h stats and the cab carries this legacy on.

Australian specifications will only be finalised if Volkswagen Australia decides whether to add it to the local line-up (though it would be a shock if it didn’t). Some European markets run our test car’s 18-inch alloys as standard, though, while Adaptive Chassis Control – electrically adjustable dampers – would be expected to be offered as an option as they are on the VW Golf GTI hatch.

There’s a raft of safety gear though, including ESP, ABS, head and thorax airbags, as well as a clever active roll-over protection system. The regular Golf Cab has a five-star ANCAP rating, so the GTI Cab will too.

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The Golf GTI Cabriolet sets a new benchmark for sporting cabriolets, but let’s tread carefully here. It’s not as enjoyable as the rear-wheel drive Mazda MX-5, nor is it as potent as the Mini Cooper S. Y

et it beats both for practicality, with a smarter roof, more luggage space and – with prices expected to be around $45,000 if it does go on sale here – it’s better value, too.

VW has delivered a GTI Cabriolet that follows the hatch’s skill-set: a talented, practical, liveable and well-made all-rounder. It’s slightly softer, but the GTI Cabriolet has a distinct edge over its rivals.

 

 

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  • Sumpguard

    “Sloppy DSG”

        Still?

    • Johno

      Can’t believe 4 stars for this cr#p, sloppy dsg, ugly wheels, awful reliability etc

  • F1

    DSG is a gimmick at best

    • Skybreak

      DSG gearboxes are no gimmick. Most of the time they are very good you can expect to see more of the them as VW phases out regular auto boxes for DSG and companies like Ferrari and Lamborghini phase out manual boxes for DSG (or whatever they want to call it).

      We’ve got a DSG in our MkV Golf GTI and I like it most of the time, but not when I need to do a quick start, and I absolutely hate it when I need to do hill starts. Man it sucks.

      I’m glad I’ve tried a car with DSG, but my next one will be a manual. I don’t really care if a DSG box makes it point-something of a second quicker or uses point-something of a litre less fuel. Manuals are more fun.

      • F1

        What’s the point of DSG if acceleration is slow?

        And you may save 0.02c of fuel everytine you full up but if something goes wrong with the DSG, and statistically there’s a high chance then you’ll need big $$$$

        Look at the GTR, it has so much problems with its transmission..

        And look at Lexus IS-F and how fast that shifts its 8-gears .. but I’m not exactly sure what type of gearbox that has. :/

        • Skybreak

          Not slow, DSG boxes can change gears in hundredths of seconds – much faster than we humans can, meaning the car is quicker than the same car with a manual box.

          According to the Lexus website the box in the IS-F is ”automatic”, but elsewhere I have read that it’s an 8-speed sequential gearbox (SG) and has the paddle shifters on the steering wheel, so it’s like a DSG but without the dual (D) part.

          • Phil

            DSG type boxs often aren’t faster than manuals. The gearshifts are faster however they’re around 20-40 kgs heavier and most don’t allow you to load the engine up on launch making them MUCH slower off the spot than a properly launched manual or even a traditional auto.

            Steering shift paddles and sequential operation has absolutely nothing to do with a DSG gearbox. Very few traditional automatics have the ability to skip gears with most operating through the gears in sequence. Shift paddles are just a add on.

        • Skybreak

          Not slow, DSG boxes can change gears in hundredths of seconds – much faster than we humans can, meaning the car is quicker than the same car with a manual box.

          According to the Lexus website the box in the IS-F is ”automatic”, but elsewhere I have read that it’s an 8-speed sequential gearbox (SG) and has the paddle shifters on the steering wheel, so it’s like a DSG but without the dual (D) part.

  • Bob

    I dont get why they didn’t just throw a GTI badge on the EOS like they did with the Polo.

    Oh, and this is a monstrousity too.

    • Fenno

      The EOS was the GTI Motor. They are tooting this is a new car but all I see is an EOS with a soft roof instead of hard. Nothing new here

  • Daniel

    I love love love the GTI hatch and I like the normal Golf convertible but somehow this just doesn’t do it for me. Also, in the UK, this is starting at £29,000, about £10,000 more than the hatch, so if pricing patterns are the same for Australia it could have a ridiculous starting price. 

  • D987

    Give me the standard hatch over this any day.

    • Yetiman

      Yes, in manual please…

  • Robin_Graves

    Once again, perfect for the hairdresser or ginger beer in a hurry.

    • Golfschwein

      Still desperately trying to score a laugh out of this one, I see, same as last time you wrote it.

      • Sumpguard

        He got a laugh from me this time. And last time. Funny but true.

    • Legnab

      STICK to your dino worthless falcoon bobin this is a bit to clever for you , mullets dont go with drop tops .

      • Robin_Graves

        Worthless is a flyblown golf out of warranty, a ventilated piston, a check engine light that wont go away or a busted gearbox.  Euro-chic is clever if you never open the bonnet only your wallet, at least your ‘mates’ might think so.

        • Phil

          What do you think is “worth-less”?

          A five year old Golf GTi or a five year old Falcon XR6?

          According to the listings on Carsales, 2007 XR6s start from $9,990, but the cheapest 2007 Golf GTi is $18,450.
          Both were the same price brand new….

          • Robin_Graves

            Anyone who shells out nearly $20k for a hand grenade deserves to lose all their money.  The golf has 150k on it, if its not on its second or third engine it wont be far off, its being dumped because the warranty is about to run out and no-one wants a nightmare for $20k  The Falcon will do another 200k without needing a spanner put on it. Timebomb waiting to go off, good luck to the happy new owner.

          • Phil

            I love how you completely bypassed the topic with some personal dribble.

            Do you understand the the way supply and demand drives prices?
            Lots of people want to get rid of Falcoones and no one wants to buy them – thats the reason why they’re so cheap. Not many people want to get rid of their GTif and lots of people want to buy then – thats the reason why’re they’re so expensive.
            Or perhaps you’d like to explain why the Golf Gti has double the resale value of the XR6?

            Be glad I used the XR6 as a example. The XT Falcoone starts from just $6800 for a 2007 model with just 73,00kms on the clock!

          • Phil

            By the way, VWs only have a three year warranty, so that Golf has been out of warranty for two years now.

          • Robin_Graves

            Errr, what people ask for them and what they sell for are two different things.  Notice how all the golfs are private sellers except for 2 or 3? Thats because dealerships are basing their prices on risk.  They are forced to offer a warranty on a second hand car, they are not stupid enough to end up with a timebomb.  I’d like to see what they offer as a trade – the same as a Falcon?  There is no argument a Falcon has poor resale, as do Commodores and Camrys and Aurions.  The question is – who wants to actually buy a secondhand timebomb golf except some doey hairdresser apprentice or a tryhard metro who doesnt know any better?  The Falcon’s poor resale is one of the many issues it faces at the moment, it doesnt make it a bad car, far from it.  They make a great second hand purchase after 1 or 2 years from new, the same cant be said for a golf.

          • Phil

            There are 25 listed on there from dealers. The dealers must be expecting to sell them for even more money as their prices start from $20,995 for manuals with some low km DSG models with options reaching $30K.
            If no one wants them, why would the dealers be asking so much money for them? The cars would just sit on the lot taking up space.
            If no one wants to buy them as you keep claiming, the prices would just keep falling untill they eventually sell but in the meantime, more and more would enter the market pushing prices down even further. So why isn’t this happenning?

            You obviously do not understand the basic principle of pricing from supply and demand.
            As a used car Gti is in high demand from people wanting to buy and it is in low supply as owners do not want to sell. Hence the Golf GTi having one of the best resale values around.

          • Robin_Graves

            I understand supply and demand perfectly.  There is a limited supply of GTI’s left standing and plenty of retards willing to spend $20k on a lemon.  It doesnt change the fact that a golf out of warranty needing $10k in repairs is worthless, regardless of what they are advertised for.  Who cares if the lucky new owner has to learn the expensive way, I certainly dont! 

          • Legnab

            My my you have been liasing with barry too much robin , dont believe his stories about tray tops and hand grenades , most cars are reliable if serviced correctly and driven with respect .

            If your going to rent your FG out to thrashers in black town , well expect its life to be severely shortened , bogans have no respect for any car .

          • Phil

            So Robin, you say in one sentence that there are plenty of people willing to spend $20K on a lemon GTi, but then you say that the Golf is worthless…..contradiction?

            If “plenty of retards are willing to pay $20K” (and those are your words not mine) then it’s worth $20K. I mean why would it be worthless if “plenty of retards are willing to pay $20K” for it?

            Face the facts, used Golfs have one of the highest resale values around.

          • Robin_Graves

            Like you said Phil, supply and demand.  Limited supply of hand grenades with the fuse still intact and plenty of badge snob tryhard eurotrash lovers who dont know any better.  Doesnt make them worth anything – but there is a sucker born every minute so if someone is willing to fork out $20k when the bomb is ticking (literally) then yes, an exchange of $20k for a 2007 Golf GTI will happen.

          • Phil

            Things are only worth something if someone is willing to pay for it. Do you understand that? Conversely things are ONLY worthless if no one wants to pay for it.
            In this case people ARE willing to pay $20K or thereabouts for old Golfs. That gives them a [market] value of $20K.

            Now I can’t dumb it down anymore, so I hope you can finally understand.

  • Henry Toussaint

    Since i’m different, I’d like to see a Golf Wagon GTI, but since it has an old chassis, it wont happen 

    • Philthy

      Skoda has a car for you :)

      • Henry Toussaint

         Ohh yeah you’re right! The Octavia RS Wagon, or the Fabia RS Wagon but that doesn’t look as good as the Octavia

  • ML

    This is so much better value than boxster.

    • trololololol

      And my 20 dollar shoes are so much better value than a corolla! Never need to refuel my shoes and the places they take me….oh boy! Like this one time……..

      • yolololololo

        shoe > car.
        end of discussion.

  • Jj

    One for the ladies.

  • Andrew

    I think VW could do well by offering adaptive chassis control as standard. They did it on the Scirocco, so why not on this? The GTI rides too firm for my liking. Motoring journalists are too obsessed with driving dynamics, steering, power, & sports suspensions. Yet ride comfort takes a back seat.

    • Legnab

      BLA BLA , its quite fine in std form , i run 38psi and its very comfortable , remember those seats are tops .

      • Robin_Graves

        Thats because your VeeDud is covered by habib’s concrete warranty.  Only lasts while its on the concrete, something your handgrenade sees quite often.  When it holds together long enough to get out of Davoren Park you might finally see that your Golf couldnt out corner a HQ Belmont.

        • Legnab

          KEEP on peering under the roof rail in your high chair falcoon , what  a pile of junk , and nobody wants em any more , bit like a mullet ,so 80′s .

          More golfs sold than falcoons , who would have thought that would happen , intelligent buyers have finally grasped that the dino is history .

        • twincharger

          Be careful Robin,Legnad,Ram,Bangel,Topaz,Spellbound or what ever hes called today.Will accuse you of being Captain Nemo like he does to everyone who stands up to his Volkswagen bully boy tactics…

          • Legnab

            GEE your  inventing new names for me every day , no your not robin the grave digger , you stick to barry/nemo/twincharger all together on the flat bed .

            Funny how you all use the handgrenade line though .

            Had a fun morning blasting through the hills , tons of  grunt , powering past old clunky falcoons  , dont see that many these days as they slide into the sunset .

          • twincharger

            Yair and your gti was using 11L/100kms.More than a SV6 Commodore.

          • Legnab

            Wrong twinbanger  , i get 8.8 city and 6.3 rural , lots of 5th gear in the city with 400nm on tap.

            And the barge SV6 would struggle to get under 13 in the city , too heavy .

          • Robin_Graves

            Bunghole you wouldnt know because you shoot your mouth off when you clearly have never driven a FG or VE. The only thing your golf has on tap is a towrope back to Habib’s in Davoren Park.  Who told you it has 400Nm, habibi or mustafa?  Its only a matter of time before your hairdresser’s car gets eaten for breakfast by a real car, it probably has already but you are so deluded you convince yourself its fast when it wouldnt pull the skin off a rice pudding.  Maybe you should start selling some more garlic crushers and saucepan sets so you can upgrade your tired old bomb – your ‘mates’ are startnig to wonder if they want to be seen with a loser in an old golf.

          • Legnab

            Oh so you are corporal nemo, robin , how may names do you have , why not pull out  hung low as well .

            Goodness me we are getting a little hot tonight , maybe the old FG is over heating .

            Politically incorrect too , we must respect our migrant friends , they dont live in davron pk , thats reserved for bogans .

          • Robin_Graves

            Bunghole you are the only one deluded enough to need multiple usernames, maybe your other personality believes your golf has 400Nm, does 0-100 in 5 seconds and gets 6l/100k all at the same time.  I wasnt having a go at migrants, just the ‘tuning’ shop you go to in Davoren Park.  Hamdela.

          • Legnab

            Bobin/twin/nemo/barry , its 188kw , 400nm , not 5 secs , 6.2secs , bit too optomistic there buddy , my mates audi TT rs pulls 3.8 secs , a bit faster than  a foon

            You do have a thing about our migrant friends , they dont hang out in davron pk .

          • Robin_Graves

            Hahaha 3.8 secs – thats pretty creative there bunghole.  What cliff did he drive it off, or was it on Habib’s downhill dyno that told you 188kW/400Nm?

          • Legnab

            Dobin/barry , TTrs  4.3secs , stage 1  3.8 secs , much quicker than the the old lumpy falcoon FPV .

            If you can google try APR , maybe a stretch for you to comprehend , bit technical .

          • Robin_Graves

            Bunghole we all know your full of it, you can google all the hairdresser cars you like.  There’s plenty of XR6Ts running sub 10 sec quarters, big deal!

  • Inn the Know

    People who buy these cars dont read these comments

  • Guest

    The easiest way to avoid DSG being sloppy, unreliable etc is simple, just suck it up and drive a manual. Who cares if DSG shifts in 0.0000001ms if it’s not as much fun to drive?

    • Phil

      You’ll also save $2500 straight up.

      But it doesn’t seem to matter. Even if your a supposed car enthusiast that spends hours trawling through motoring news on the internet – even if the dsg/auto is unreliable and clunky – even if it costs $2500 more to buy – even if it’s slower and thistier – it seems to be all worth it as long as you don’t have to change gears yourself [also seems to help if your Australian].

    • Legnab

      Personally iam not convinced about DSG ,test  drove superb V6 and  a GTI with it, magic out in the country , unbelievable fast changes , just could not live  with the clunky hesitance in the city .

      Have a couple of mates with diesel passat and golf and they love it , no problems yet , robin reackons they have hand grenades built in , time will tell .

    • Robin_Graves

      Or dont buy a VeeDud – even easier if you want something reliable.

      • Legnab

        WHAT do you recommend grave robber , a falcoon taxi , about as exciting as playing a commodore 64 .

        • Robin_Graves

          Well you wouldnt be able to handle a real car bunghole so stick with your f@g chariot.  If you took the time to drive a XR6T you’d probably poop your pants – for more than one reason.

          • Legnab

            Actually drove  a typhoon a few years back, awsome power , bit too taily , worthless now of course as the world downsizes .

            Life will go on post falcoon , maybe you can get a focus ST , that will be a good car , maybe we can compare notes in the hills .

          • Robin_Graves

            Its called RWD, something every half decent sporting car has, not a bum dragger shopping trolley with a set of fancy rims and handgrenade motor.  I dont go near your cottaging hangout bunghole so we wont be comparing notes.

          • Legnab

            Yes i have seen bogans in the wet with their FG sliding sideways as they power out of a corner , not pretty , for so called RWD handling .

            You take it carefully , robin , with barry in the co pilots seat , twin charger in the rear with  capt nemo and fung low , dont spin out ,its  a wet night in black town .

          • twincharger

            Excellent debating Robin.You swept the floor with Phildo+Legnoddy.

          • Legnab

            You talking to yourself again barry.

        • Robin_Graves

          I would definitely recommend a manufacturer in the top 10 for reliability and dependability, not a bottom feeder like veedud who are always hanging out with Landrover and Jeep.

          • Legnab

            Funny , never had a problem with three GTI’S , thats why i keep going back , only a fool would persist , maybe thats why so many a dumping their falcoons , too many faults .

          • Robin_Graves

            Yeah, and you get 6l/100km and can get to the speed of light in 1 nanosecond while in the same breath accuse other people of telling tales and using multiple usernames, you crack me up.  Habitual fibber.

          • Legnab

            ROBIN  take a trip to eastern europe roads are worse than here ,plenty of old vw/skoda’s thrashing about on potholed dirt .

            My bro lives in the country and runs a golf tdi manual , still trucking on after 70+k’s .

            You still have this old myth running around your head ,” dad said only crummers and falcoons can handle the bush “.

          • Golfschwein

            Reading up on old survey results there, Robin. But who can blame you? You’d hate the new ones. Canstar 2011 is the only survey that publishes Australian results. Things aren’t pretty for Ford and Holden, but very pretty for Mazda, VW and a bunch of others. Skoda has just come equal second in the UK with Lexus and VW (8th) is mixing it with other top achievers in the top quarter. I noticed from the comments that you weren’t anywhere to be found. Much easier to hammer on about old news.

          • Mad Max

            Golfschwein, why bother with facts when arguing with Robin? I’ve tried it in the past. I’ve pointed out that between my wife and I, we have had 4 VW’s. My Mk6 GTI was faultless in its 117’000kms so I bought a new Passat. Her Golf was also 100% reliable so she got a Polo GTI. As for resales, The GTI gave me 59% (I traded it so it was a bit lower than I might have got private) and my wifes Golf was 57%, probably a bit lower due to a couple of small shopping trolley marks. The interesting point with the GTI was it was sold through the dealership within 5 days. I still see the car around the local area. My wifes car was also sold after being on the lot for 2 weeks but went to a country area as the new owner rang prior to purchase to check a couple of points. The dealer told us that there is often a waiting list for second hand GTI’s but if you want maximum resale they have to have genuine dealership service history.

          • Robin_Graves

            GolfScheiße, the canstar is a mickey mouse survey based on what people perceive their new vehicle’s reliability.  Of course fanatics like you and Bunghole aren;t going to admit you’ve bought a steaming pile of junk.  Talk about flawed, a bit like the ADAC one where the i30 was given a bottom rank for flat batteries while the golf was top rated after gearbox, engine, clutch and injector failures.  The only survey worth its merit is Autobild where VW were thrashed for seized engines, blown gearboxes and electrical gremlins.  They did however mention that VW were finally starting to turn around their quality after ‘serious sins of the past’ JDPower is another reputable survey, VW 27th wallowing well below industry average with Jeep, dodge and Jaguar.  I’m not saying Falcons dont have problems by any stretch but they are generally bulletproof for in excess of half a million kilometers, something that an old beetle may achieve but definitely not one of the wasser era.

          • Golfschwein

            You like JD, huh, Robin? VW came 8th and Skoda equal 2nd in the just released UK one, behind first placed Jaguar. It’s actually great fun seeing survey junkies like you suddenly twist yourselves inside out in denial as soon as something lobs that refutes your prejudices.

            Canstar has far more relevance for us here in Australia, anyhow, as our own domestic mix of Commodores, Lancers, Falcons, Golfs,  and home-made Camrys are represented, not the US mix of Acuras, Suburbans, Lincolns and Ford F series trucks. Why you even bother deciphering that lot, I can’t begin to say, not when you have a local survey on your doorstep. 

            But I’ll stop here. I bow to a greater authority on lists and surveys on this occasion.

          • Robin_Graves

            I’m not exactly twisting myself inside out in denial, I said that Autobild mentioned VW were finally starting an upward trend (but hey, they could hardly get any worse) Autobild base their results on driving the cars themselves in controlled conditions for an extended period over an extended time so the recent VW upswing will take a year or two to filter down.  At least their surveys are based on hard engineering data based on stripping down and measuring wear etc and true, unbiased failure rates.  Not some half-baked voluntary post-back survey that is so skewed its not funny.  Just because it has local cars in it doesnt make it any more relevant than gazza and bazza at the pub.

              At the end of the day I will never go anywhere near a VW until they learn how to build something reliable, you guys choose to gamble your money on something that has a much higher probability to break down.  I dont live in the city so I cant afford to be broken down on the side of the road waiting for a tow truck to come for three hours all in the name of feeling superior.  VW’s are not made for our poor quality roads and they fall apart – fact of life.

          • Golfschwein

            But….but….I don’t understand. I mean, the surveys say they’re top notch. Oh wait, I get it: you hate VWs…so you LIKE the surveys where they do badly….and you HATE the surveys where they do well. Gotcha. You can’t go part of the way if you’re a surveys man, Robin. You gotta take it all.

          • Robin_Graves

            One survey putting VeeDud at #8 is hardly ‘top notch’ especially when the most rigorous of surveys puts them right down the bottom.  Show me another credible survey where VeeDud ‘do well’  The majority say they are unreliable pieces of junk – I guess they must have made that up?

          • Golfschwein

            Give up, Robin. You’re as transparent as spring water. VW is scoring good consumer survey results here and overseas and you’re mad as hell about it. Nuthin’ much I can do about it, I’m afraid. Have fun finding your unlit switches in your f@g chariot Falcon.  Over and out.

          • Robin_Graves

            You got something right for once, ‘consumer survey results’.  In other words VAG fanatics, hairdressers and soy latte sippers like their VeeDud’s, what a revelation!

          • Dw65

            Robin you are a proving what exactly?. Are you seriously claiming a vag car is a hand grenade..?…??
            Mate does your piece of Aussie engineering have any technology ? Are you running a 4speed or three on the tree? And please tell me your car at 30,000 Km or even 60,000 still has no rattles or sloppiness? Because my golf and my Audi s5 are certainly not feeling any signs of wear. Honestly. Yes I look after these cars but I’ve never even heard of golfs being hand grenades. In fact the Pirelli uses the same motor as the audit tts and yes has won many awards for you guessed it – technology. Power and efficiency. And yes global awards. Do you read? And yes please look up APR either here or USA or as reviewed by motor magazine. Stage 1 on a tts motor easy 435nm and 249kw. Easy because it’s detuned from factory. Easy because it has direct injection and foged pistons. Easy because it’s built to do reliable power. What’s your caper mate? Why are you so focused on bad mouthing Euro cars -have you driven one? I’ve owned so many damn cars Aussie jap euro and to judge mate, I don’t get it???

          • Robin_Graves

            What rock did you just crawl out from DWTV? Its well documented that golfs (and other VAG products) drop engines and DSG’s like hot potatoes.  Yes I have driven a GTi and yes, it had direct steering and pulled quite well for a hatch, until the torque steer set in.  My mate just traded it for a Golf type R, he had problems with the DSG, throttle potentiometers, CAN bus issues recurring but he was happy to run the risk on a new type R.  Haven’t been in it yet as I have moved away from where he lives.  Another friend had a twincharger golf and got rid of it after the second engine popped, they had a baby coming and didnt want to risk getting stuck again.  

            Multiple reliability problems constantly put VAG at the lower end, well below industry average.  If you want specifics, look up the Autobild data from Germany.  Technology, international awards, power efficiency are worthless when the thing is broken down.

            I dont care what a stage 23 XYZ kit does to anything it proves nothing.  There are many XR6T’s pumping out 750kW – who cares?  If you throw enough money at anything it will go hard these days and its much easier to re-tune a turbo car but it shortens the life span.

            Whats your caper?  I’ve got an opinion, so do you.  People can spend their money on whatever they want but the fact remains, VeeDud have shocking reliability compared to industry average and yet most people tend to think they are high and mighty because they drive a euro car.  FYI I like BMW’s but I think for that kind of money there are better cars out there unless I had enough coin to get an M3.

  • T9935

    Robin whilst i see you have strong comments i dont think ANY manufacturer will build totally bullet proof espcially performance cars. Your points you raise about friends issues is interesting and i can see where you are drawing conclusions as you have real #’s.

    Fact is in any forum, BMW, Lexus, Porsche – they all have issues and its fact of mass production. It would be interesting to see if the actual % of occurance is similar (much bigger production levels for VAG than Holden/Ford locally) it might be the same when you look at failure rate in %.

    Build quality, the look and feel of these European cars certainly stands above local products and that i am afraid is why they seem more popular. Doors feeling more solid, better sound insulation, better steering feel, less NVH – they are all reasons.

    All cars will have running costs and that is why you buy under warranty.

    The pricing comes down to governement legislation and unfortunately anything above say 50k goes up exponentially and doesnt make sense.

    I agree power comparisons are pointless as is handling or other specifics , at the end of the day how someone FEELS in their own car on their OWN RATING system, it could be the car look, the car’s performance, the car uniqueness. My question to you is the # of failures - are you sure it is not the same failure rate %?  How many camry’s or other high volume cars have similar individual issues but in % terms it is just as much as say a Malaysian built holden? or even Falcon locally built?

    • Robin_Graves

      Generally they are ranked in faults per 100 cars, with the industry average being around 102 (in the latest JD power) so based on that each car will have about 1 fault.  The issue is the weighting on scores as a misfitting floor mat may be classed as a fault while a seized engine is also 1 fault.  I’m not sure the algorithms behind their survey – this may be taken into consideration.

      I agree with you the euros have the Teutonic clinical interior quality but that quickly fades after a few years of electrical gremlins and driveline failures.  VeeDud’s latest ranking was 124, well off the pace.

      • Legnab

        Funny how you beloved ford is down amongst the cellar dwellers too .

        Maybe the fusion is  a pile of junk like the falcon .

        Iam still waiting for the electrical faults , motor/trans failure that you rabbit on about , after 3  i should be up to my neck in mechanics bills , funny not one problem yet , still wondering why they keep selling so many golfs , sounds like  a golf, DAS AUTO .

  • Fenno

    Great arguement.
    I worked for two years in a City VW service department as a Service Advisor. Before that I was with Toyota. In 7 years with Toyota I had less than a dozen vehicles towed in to the workshop for crippling faults. At VW I had 5+ a week. They definately are less reliable here in Australian conditions than most I’ve ever seen. But T9935 comment on the overall quality is spot on. They are a nicer car hence why they are selling well.

    In relation to surveys on these things it comes down to expectations of the customers. In Australia VW is still marketed as a prestige vehicle and the demographics of buyers are confused into thinking that because it’s German, it’s prestige. So they are more critical on the surveys than say a Ford or Hyundai owner – hence why VW suffers in the surveys.

    For some specifics on the Golf that you may want to know. Twincharged 1.4′s; we were at the stage where we were replacing an engine a week in the one dealership. DSG’s on all VW’s; we were replacing the mechatronics units at least every day. GTI issues were nearly always DSG related.

    The problem I see with VW is they are just too quick to bring new technology on the market. It seems you read about a new technology coming to the market and 2 weeks later VW has it on sale. Followed then by countless recalls and updates to suit the different environments that never bothered to test them in. (Amarok anyone – over 5 recalls before they were even released to the public).

    Personally, I own a VW (Polo 1.9tdi). But i only brought it after carefully surveying every model available in the range at the time and looking for a car that would cause the least amount of drama and cost the least to run. Something people tend to hide when they mention their VW.

    A piece of advice with VW. Put aside $$$ for servicing and wear/tear items like brakes etc. They arent cheap.

    Thats where the local product does indeed shine.

    • Legnab

      BLA bla , you just a counter hopper , not a mechanic , that story is magic if you believe in myths .

      So why drive a lemon polo when the local bogan product shines .

      • Fenno

        You dont have a clue who I am numbnuts. Pull your head in while you hide behind your inadequacies on the keyboard pal, you’re making an absolute idiot of yourself.

    • Beewee100

      $350 for a rear wiper on a Golf is a bargain for an annual consumable item. No wonder why bungle gets rid of his handbag gti every 2 years, deep down he knows that his pink covered iPhone will outlast his cars!

    • Beewee100

      $350 for a rear wiper on a Golf is a bargain for an annual consumable item. No wonder why bungle gets rid of his handbag gti every 2 years, deep down he knows that his pink covered iPhone will outlast his cars!