Hat Trick for Ford at Bathurst
13 Oct, 2008
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It was three in a row for Ford and a case of history repeating itself for Jamie Whincup and Craig Lowndes who come from fifth on the grid to take out this year’s Bathurst 1000.
The result recalled memories of Lowndes’ friend and mentor the late Peter Brock taking triple victories in the ’70s and ’80s, but was said to me even more impressive in this era of tougher more competitive racing.
“We just set history. Three years in a row. It’s crazy,” Lowndes said. “You cannot dream of it. For us it’s just been a really clean weekend.”
Runners-up Greg Murphy and Jason Richards in a Holden Commodore were followed by James Courtney and David Besnard who overcame tyre issues to take third place.
Both HRT (Holden Racing Team) cars failed to finish, while Mark Winterbottom and Steve Richards came in fourth with Richards blaming tyres for the result.
With attendance figures for the four-day crowd at 187,000 the legendary event has now been put to bed for another year. With four rounds to go the Championship Board reads as follows:
- 1 – Jamie Whincup (2316 points)
- 2 – Mark Winterbottom (2283 points)
- 3- Garth Tander (2234 points)
- 4 – Craig Lowndes (1923 points)
- 5 – Will Davison (1865 points)
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October 13th, 2008 at 10:31 am
GOOD TO SEE THE BLUE OVAL IS THE REIGNS SUPREME AFTER MANY YEARS OF BATTERING FROM THE OTHER SIDE.
AS FOR SKAIFE: YOU DESERVE IT FOR BEING A WHINGER. IT WOULDN’T HAVE BEEN DELIBERATE, WHY RISK YOUR CAR TO REMOVE SOMEONE FROM THE RACE? HOLDEN DRIVERS JUST COMPLAIN BECAUSE LATELY THEY THEIR EGO HAS BEEN GETTING TRAMPLED ON.
LONG LIVE THE BLUE OVAL
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Well done and congrats. to them.
Its hard enough to win one, [ask Seaton] to win three on the trot is amazing.
On to the 4th.
Cheers
F-0
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I was big fan of Peter Brock and have become a big fan of Craig so it’s nice to in a sport that can be very cruel and unfair to see a really nice guy like Craig rewarded for his skills and patience!!
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Should have got a black flag for hitting Murphy on the first lap.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 11:03 am
“Both HRT (Holden Racing Team) cars failed to finish as did Mark Winterbottom and Steve Richards with Richards blaming tyres for the result.”
Vote:Ahh winterbottom and richards finished 4th, hence winterbottom being second in the championship.
October 13th, 2008 at 11:39 am
We stand corrected on that one
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Tom please explain? Murphy wasn’t punted off, in fact lowndes conceded the position before Griffith’s Bend. Look at the replay again murph squeezed Lowndes onto the grass coming over the crest then craig moved back onto the road and was getting prepared for the next corner when he just touched Murph. Racing incident no-ones fault. Murph is just a big whinger.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
I just thought it was great that Tander and Skaife couldn’t dig themselves out of the hole they were in all day.
I couldn’t believe Skaife whinged about getting a 10 second penalty (added to a pitstop) for jumping the start. He is lucky it was only added to a pitstop and didn’t have to be done stand alone.
Congrats to Lowndes and Whincup, they did a great job all day.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
It was great watching Frosty cry
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Was I seeing things or were the crowd numbers right down this year? Some of the hills looked near empty. Thank gawd that twerp Tander didn’t get on the podium.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Fantastic race. Loved Murphy’s fight towards the end, even if he is a grumpy bastard. There was some great racing all round.
This is a great racing series for drivers and their teams.
I understand that the Holden vs Ford rivalry is used carefully by the owners of the franchise to keep the local folk interested, but it is a great racing series nonetheless.
I have no preference for either Red or Blue, but I still enjoy watching the races.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
BJ…Why? Frosty is one of the best, most sporting racers in the V8SC comp. Compared to the likes of R Kelly, Tander, Skaife and Murph; why on earth would you like to see such a decent guy cry?
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Watching Frosty cry was not a good thing to see.
Getting enjoyment out of someone crying is still understandable. Watching Gary Ablett Jr cry on Grand Final day after not winning the Brownlow, Premiership or the Norm Smith was so enjoyable.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I just noticed: in the photo, Lowndes and Whincup are giving the camera the ol’ “read between the lines” salute. :)
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
its funny how in the eyes of ford fans frosty is a god and all the holden drivers are bad sports, when frosty has been the one coming out making all sorts of crazy over the top statements all year, and lowndes is well renound in the paddock for being an asshole on the track.
In saying that 888 deserved their win, craig and jamie drove well, i thought their wasn’t anything in the first lap incident, just one of those things. I’m the first to bag lowndes for when he does a prick move (which is often) but i thought they both did excellent, as did his team, on sunday
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Murphy always complains about something and when he’s caught “with his finger in the pie” he says it wasn’t him. Many of us still remember his “win at all cost” when he wiped out Ambrose. There is a fine line between brilliance and stupidity. I wonder where Murphy is swinging too.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
further to the frosty thing, he has been making alot of comments about HRT and tander this year, and he was carrying on before winton like he had already won the championship. Thats why i think he was getting so emotional at bathurst, he thought he had the championship all but wrapped up not long ago but everything has seemingly gone wrong for him since he made his comments about HRT and tander.
For those who don’t know, the comment was when asked why Tander wasn’t as strong this year as last (it was just after the sandown round when Tander and HRT had a very bad weekend) and Frosty said “I think HRT and Tander just aren’t as good as we are, bottom line. We are the class of the field this year and thats why we are so far ahead in the championship”
Pretty bold things to be saying before the enduro’s which everyone knows can massively change the chamionship
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Tony M – Ambrose wiped himself out, he turned in on murphy, didn’t give him any room. Yes Murphy could have backed out of it, but its not up to him to move over and let ambrose through, its his job to win.
The ironic thing is, murphy wasn’t penalise and ambrose actually was due to a new rule which ambrose created at eastern creek earlier that year when he punted skaife off, he arged racing room, and was successful and the rules where changed to go with the whole “racing room” concept. And then it was ambrose who gave no racing room to murphy, hence why ambrose was penalise and not murph
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
also i don’t know why people are having a go at skaife for “complaining” about the 10 sec penalty.. in the interview i thought he was very contained, he just said “yeah we got a penalty, thats just the way it is so we have to get on with it”
yeah, really complaining…
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I wonder if HSV (Holden) etc will be arguing the parity case now.
Vote:Richo, I remember the case with Murphy and Ambrose and yes you are correct about the rule change etc. But Murphy is driving over the edge and that’s when people might (hoping never) get hurt. On a positive note, it also shows the brilliance of his driving when he is on the limit.
October 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Biggest disappointment all weekend? Channel Seven’s in-car audio visual quality. Absolutely terrible. Every time they switched to an in-car camera it lasted 3 seconds before first losing sound and then the visual too!!! Obviously a cost cutting move gone wrong. Shame on you Channel 7. Give it back to Channel Ten I say!
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Tony M – i think even Ford fans had to sit back and just admire how Murph drove those last 20 laps, he was just absolutely on the limit, every corner of every lap. Stevie Richard just couldn’t handle it in the end and then even though there was no chance of catching lowndes, he was still going absolutely banana’s in the cockpit trying to do the impossible. You have to admire that. His team where telling him to get out of the draft, your engines gonna over heat, your running out of fuel, but he was just “nup i don’t care about any of that!!” and was just going all out in that cockpit. Have to admire that… even if you don’t like the bloke.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
why is Car advice blocking my posts?? theres no swearing in them, no religeous comments… i’m just talking about racing??
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Not that Skaife/Tander actually served the 10 sec penalty anyway. It’s supposed to be 10 secs of nothing happening to the car, but clearly it started well before all “hands off” the car happened; windscreen was being wiped, spilt fuel wiped from arround the filler, driver making adjustments etc. Not that it mattered in the end anyway.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
It was a great race good one Ford. It was race were every driver is a winner in there own right. Driving at the pace they where doing all day which puts stress on all drivers and cars its great to watch.
Vote:Good one Ford…
October 13th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Richo, It automatically blocks anything with cock in it. You mentioned “cockpit”!
Just approved them for you
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Richo,
Nah I don’t like Murphy, he’s a whinging ****.
And what would of the team boss said if the engine overheated and blew and they didn’t finish – would not have made him look good then.
The only reason he stayed on Richards’ case is that from where he was he could see that the falcon’s rear tyres were absolutely shot.
Nothing to do with Richards’ “not being able to handle it”. Murphy just had better tyres, nothing more, nothing less. And if anything I think that Richards’ efforts to keep him out, with a car clearly with no rear grip at all was huge.
Vote:Still, credit where it’s due, he has the second place trophy.
October 13th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Contratulations 888 and the boys from a Holden man. Good race….
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Geeez Richo, aka “Jason Richards”, stop sucking up to your team mate Greg Murphy will ya? Geeeez!
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Whincup and Lowndes drove brilliantly. JW deserves to be leading the championship – lets not forget his form in NZ when that spud T Kelly destroyed Jamie’s car and got off Scot-free.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
ASJJ Says:
October 13th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
“Biggest disappointment all weekend? Channel Seven’s in-car audio visual quality. Absolutely terrible. Every time they switched to an in-car camera it lasted 3 seconds before first losing sound and then the visual too!!! Obviously a cost cutting move gone wrong. Shame on you Channel 7. Give it back to Channel Ten I say!”
Gotta agree with ya there! Not only that, but Channel 7 with their crap intro/before the ad break “suspense” music, and that knobhead Kochie saving the world being plugged over and over. And Matthew White, what a tosser, even he was in there plugging Tossay Tossnight. Please Cochrane give it back to Ten, pleeeeeeease.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Yes seeing Kochie’s ugly melon on the box over and over was enough to give my kids nightmares….If it wasn’t for Neal Crompton I would have gone completely mad!
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Problems with Channel 7s broadcast:
– Cross promotion of other 7 shows within the telecast
– Time between ads decreased throughout the telecast
– Stupid ‘We are having an add’ music
– In car camera work was really bad, could never hold a decent a signal to get more than 5 seconds worth of vision
– Track side camera work. How many times did the camera pan back and you got a huge view of the sky?
– Commentators who were obviously concentrating on what was happening out the window in front of them when something major was being shown on screen.
– Whenever someone entered the pits, the director left the camera on them for their extremely slow drive down pit lane instead of keeping with the real action for as long as possible.
– During the safety car, they stopped running the running order across the bottom of the screen. I want to know the true order of things before the safety car is released
There are more but I have work to do…
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Cromly is awesome.
I think honerable mentions have to go to the 11 car of jack perkins and nathan pretty, drove a good solid race, made the number 7 car look a bit silly for two race weekends in a row now! The BJR car of max wilson and brad jones, and particuarly max, drove brilliantly. Jason Bargwana also did very very well, and the number 2 HRT car of seton and baird also drove a really good race, shame to see them punted off by the 17 DJR car at the end in what was a pretty dumb move by warren luff.. but then warren is pretty dumb so that makes sense. I thought the euro’s in car 88 also drove pretty darn well aswell.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Further to the number 7 JDR car, Todd is alright but I think Larry Perkins faith in Shane Price is a bit miss-placed and he should be showing a bit more faith in his son Jack, I think Larry was just a bit worried about people thinking his son was being “given” a ride over Shane or whatever, and no one can deny that Shane is better at the single lap stuff then Jack, but Jack is a MUCH better racer then Shane and deserves more of a chance. I think anyway
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Good stuff 888,3 in a row.A hat trick at bathurst is as likely as a hat trick in cricket and also shows BA-BF is a better race car than the VE.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Supercujo……..You must be a Collingwood supporter……
Vote:Garry Ablett might have cried this year but he has a Premiership medal from last year and the Mighty Cats won alot of games this year ……..just didnt kick straight in the GF…….oh well…….
October 13th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
No I’m not a Collingwood supporter.
I just thought it was funny that all the betting had Geelong and Ablett to sweep everything on offer and they didn’t get any of them. Sure it is good to win in the season, but it is better to win the most important game of the season.
And also, it was funny to see Malthouse cry a few years back.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Richo,
Jack Perkins lost his seat because he got diagnosed with a heavy case of diabetes.
it was Jacks choice to atep down until he got his illness under control.
i have a mate with a serious case of it, and it takes a heck of a lot to manage it.
there was a vacant seat and larry had to fill it with a full time driver. Todd was a good option to try and bring a bit of experience to the driving side of the team.
i tend to disagree that Jack is the better racer than Shane though. when they but ran a car each in the development series, they were both dominant, but shane was clearly the quicker racer.
the main notable/surprise performances were the BJR commodore of Wilson/Jones and the PCR/Glenfords falcon of Coulthard/Davison.
Coulthard had a strong showing in the previous raound aswell.
Also Richo,
you gotta stop putting your hatrid for Lowndes into others mouths.
if every one else thinks Lowndes is an *sshole, why the hell does he keep taking the best and fairest/ most liked gong which includes votes from fellow drivers???
You hate Lowndes, so what, you are a minority, Get over it
And on Ambrose……
who the hell passes up the inside at the cutting??
one thing that annoyed me was the laziness of Paul Morris.
openly saying on TV that Russel was going to do all the practice, qualifying etc, and he would just be there to take the honours.
if russel had have had a decent team mate, he may have been an even hotter chance.
and NO, Skaife doesnt Whinge…. (sarcasm)
i guess you werent following the whole Parity issue being pushed by skaife with threats of law suits??
the review that they did to shut him up found that there was no disparity.
he certainly didnt care about Parity when there was a problem in the late 90’s early 00’s in his favour.
ford deserve a few wins on the trott.
Vote:ford did it hard at the mountain for a few years
October 13th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Can’t wait to put the family to shame. (Their holden fans, I love my ford).
Although, I suspect it has a lot to do with other conditions as well such as who is behind the wheel.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Andrew M,
Funny how richo only saw teams driving commodores. According to him no team blue cars were even worthy of a mention.
“Moment” of the day goes to Tander muffing the start – what a scream! Second funniest moment was all the excuses!
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Bret,
funny that…….
i also find it funny how murphy was given a massive mention for ripping in once he got passed Richards and a possibility of chewing into lowndes (i know he got that from the commentators mouths who carried on to make it sound close), but the gap between lowndes and murph was bigger at the finish than it was once murph got passed richo.
the late charge mention should have gone to James courtney if you ask me.
its a pity for them that their car “went off” during the middle part of the race.
oh and i forgot to address the #17 car Versus the #2 HRT car.
the #17 car was right down the inside and pushed up onto the kerb. it then copped a whack from the Bargs commodore which in turn bumped it into Baird in the #2 HRT.
no ones fault really because bargs probably only hit the #17 car because it would have no doubt slowed a bit once it was half off the track.
any word yet on whether charges were laid over the TKR/PWR accident??
Vote:there was talk of a possibility.
October 13th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
There were many great moments of the day but probably the best was Skaife getting his big nose stuck in his visor and crashing at Forest Elbow. That and the look on Tanders face, priceless! Especially when you look at the replay and Tander the dog did jump the start.
Not a single HSV car finishing the race, superb!!
One HSV dealer team Commodore destroyed in practice, brilliant, the other finishes 40 laps down, sensational!!
Murphy the balding imbecile complaining endlessly as usual, god will someone please revoke his passport and do Australian motorsport a favour.
We will never forget the disgraceful day in Australian motorsport history when the HSV and HRT cars and drivers, with the support of their teams and Holden, all combined to earn 7 bad sportsmanship flags in preventing Lowndes from winning the championship that year.
So the greatest moment of all was Lowndes, Whincup, and Ford crushing the hopes and dreams of Holden for a third year in succession. Well done!!
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Oh and how could I forget Murphy being boo’ed endlessly as he took his place on the podium, and then to have his speech drowned out by the crowd calling and cheering for L-O-W-N-D-S-E-Y!!
IT WAS OH SO M-A-G-N-I-F-I-C-E-N-T!!!
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
Was a great race, and was good to see the Whincup/Lowndes combo win again, no doubt they are a supreme combination for enduro’s. I am a ford fan so obviously was happy to see the fords win, but I have to say, contrary to others here, that I actually think Skaife handled himself well when interviewed regarding the jump-start….certainly more composed than Tander who carried on a bit. Murphy is just a whinging pr!k, and he’s just becoming a broken record. And to those who justify his deliberate taking out of Ambrose a few years back, it wasn’t the first time Murphy was involved in nearly killing another driver…does anyone remember when he pole-axed Bargwana at Phillip Island, and again justified himself saying he’d do it again? Not only is he a sore loser, he has a tendency to be quite reckless.
Vote:October 13th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
What a shame Ambrose didn’t shove Murphy over the concrete wall and off the mountain after that crash and cement a place in racing folklore. I would have.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Only one thing matters
First
On
Race
Day
!!!
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 8:06 am
Andrew M – mate did you miss my comments regarding the 888 and lowndes thoroughly deserved their win? Did you miss my comment that i thought the lowndes contact with murphy was a racing incident and nothing more? No thats right, you just lay into me without considering my complete comments, stuff you.
Lowndes didn’t win the auto action best and fairest this year, Tander did, lowndes actually slipped quite a long way from the top spot which he won last year. So what do you have to say about that?
I also remember in auto action after the rick kelly v craig lowndes championship decider they guaged the opinions of other drivers over the incident, most said that the move rick made on craig was the same as craig makes on most other people on a regular basis.
I’m not going to defend my opinion on craig to you, i think he is an exceptional talent, BUT just like lewis hamilton in F1 i think he pushes his luck sometimes, hence why jamie is smashing him in the championship. Jamie is the number one in the team now, and he thoroughly deserves to be because he is a great bloke and a hell of a driver to boot. I’m actually a big whincup fan, how is that possible considering i am so one eyed as you are suggesting? Well maybe its because i’m not as one eyed as you are suggesting.
Luff’s move on baird at the end was crap, opportunistic and it didn’t work, and he got penalised, so it seems other people saw it my way.
The PCR team i missed on my honerable mention by mistake, i simply overlooked them, fantastic effort by them and they are looking at running a 2 car team next year so good luck to them Paul runs a first class team and they have come a heck of a long way.
Chris Pither was charged with dangerous driving and given a reasonably large fine, but i forget exactly what it was.
Yes i know Jack stepped aside on his own decision relating to his condition, but he is ready and able now. I said Shane was a bit quicker then him, but i think JAck has improved alot and at bathurst he was clearly the second quickest JDR driver behind Todd. Go check out the V8 supercar website and look at all the practice times, they will back this up. Who is better between jack and shane is relitively subjective so don’t have a go at me for my opinion, but the last two rounds where JAck has been given a go i think supports my argument more then yours.
Andrew M, you can think want you want, i don’t really care.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 8:09 am
sorry in this years auto action awards tander won best driver, rick kelly won fairest. Craig Lowndes didn’t rate in either, he won fairest last year. Big change over 12 months, what happened in Adelaide this year must have change more then just my opinion about craig eh?
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 9:19 am
with reference to Adelaide, the crash in race two was 100% courtney’s fault and lowndes was completely innocent and I actually felt a bit sorry for him in that, particularly when courtney tried to finger him up for it.
In the above post i was referring to race one where lowndes pushed a number of guys out of the way to make up positions, not even close to clean moves. That was the race when i realised that lowndes isn’t the squeaky clean bloke he makes himself out to be.
Surely even you Andrew could concede that if someone wins fairest one year, and then doesn’t even rate a mention for fairest the following year, something must have happened to change pitlane opinion about him…
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Take nothing away though, triple 8’s win on saunday was outstanding. Whincup drove excellent, lowndes is a true bathurst master and really raises his game for bathurst (as cromly said in the telecast, it’s great to see how the senior drivers really raising their game for the big races)
and triple 8 as a team are CLEARLY the best team in pit lane now. HSVDT use to challenge them for professionalism but they have slipped badly this year after losing personel to HRT.
I say it again for those who think i am only one eyed, Triple 8 are clearly the best, most professional and consistant team in pitlane. They just don’t make mistakes, they get stronger and stronger all the time, and they probably have the best driver combo in pit lane, even if i do think that lowndes is dirty.
By the way Andrew, i don’t have “hatred” towards lowndes, thats just foolish why would i hate a bloke i’ve never met before? I just think he is a dirty racer, his talent cannot be questioned, but he makes alot of moves that could be considered anything but clean, and he makes them on a consistant basis. In saying that, again, the move on murphy on lap one was not one of those occasions, there was nothing in that, murph gave him a squeeze and lowndes just held his ground. Thats fine in my books.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Although in saying all of that, lowndes is THE best as far as the off track stuff goes. More drivers need to have his attitude regarding fans, he puts the time and effort in to appreciate the fans, and he is a very professional character, always giving good interviews and rarely bags out other drivers. He is a good bloke, and I do actually like him, I just think he makes too many dirty moves, and this makes me not like the way he drives. I think alot of it may be frustration at being smashed by his team mate all season, but thats not really the point.
Lowndes is a good guy but is a dirty racer, thats my opinion, and Andrew if you don’t like it then bloody tough.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Millatime – you think it’s “brilliant” that paul radisich had a huge crash and broke his ankles? What the fcks wrong with you?
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 9:34 am
One final point Andrew M – isn’t it great that one sporting day can bring out so much emotion and debate in people? Ya gotta love that!
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Richo,
you sure have a lot to return serve at me about for someone who “doesnt give a stuff about what i think”
i knew what you would come back with about that Luff/Baird inncident, so tell me now where your “racing room” theory you applied to ambrose went??
and you dont think a pass going into the cutting isnt “opportunistic”???
so lowndes didnt win the gong this year??? dunno, i havent caught auto action lately.
but on the flip side, the many years he was winning it, isnt swept away because he didnt win it this year.
Holden shot themselves in the foot when they dragged Tander away from the HSVDT.
It was his talent and important input that saw not only himself see success, but his team mate aswell.
and on your favoured “Dirty racer” topic, who would you say is the dirtiest racer in the paddock??
sure as hell not lowndes, so why do you choose to drag him over the coals for a few moves he has made that YOU think, but were not ruled illegal??
how can you say you dont hate a man (Lowndes) you have never met, yet label him an *sshole??
and no i didnt miss where you thought the murphy/lowndes was nothing. i havent even made mention of the topic.
just because i dont actually recognise your point, doesnt mean i disagree with it. Dont get those knickers knotted.
and on Price V Perkins again,
Vote:Perkins wasnt available at the start of the year. Larry cant just kick Shane out because Jack did marginally better lap times last weekend.
even if he had to chose the fastest based on speed prior to the start of the season, it would be shane.
you cant just kick drivers in and out based on one performance.
i sure hope Jack gets back into the main game.
at least larry is running a car in the development series for him to keep him active in the sport. who knows, he may be keeping him warm for a return next year.
LPR is my favourite Holden team.
October 14th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Yawn. Another boring race over. Limited to 2 car makes and if it aint made in Australia do not apply.Maybe one day it will all get real and let all production cars sold in Australia have a go. How good are Ford /Holden ? Who knows.
Vote:Yawn.
October 14th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Richo
Not only do I think it’s brilliant, I also think it’s magnificent, superb and fan-bloody-tastic that not one of the four HSV and HRT cars finished on the lead lap.
Now let me re-state that so we’re clear on this;
Not only do I think it’s brilliant, I also think it’s magnificent, superb and fan-bloody-tastic that not one of the four HSV and HRT cars finished on the lead lap.
I didn’t mention Radisich’s injuries at all, so I don’t know what you’re waffling on about – and my God you can waffle. But now you’ve mentioned it, so what if he broke both his ankles? He’s alive isn’t he? You and him both need to harden the f*ck up!!
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
the rat is a genuinely nice bloke.
it wasnt his fault he was ran off the track 2 years ago where he sustained the first break.
now he was run off by dodgy machinery.
i love the bit where Ricks body language said “you F’ing idiot you wrecked my car” when he saw the big hit, yet was clearly issuing the team statement when he said all he cares about was Pauls well being.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
the thing that really got under my skin Andrew is the fact that i made ALOT of very positive points about craig, jamie and 888, yet you singled out only the negative points i made about craig, and it was only ONE of many points i raised which as i said where mostly positive. Yet you single out this one comment, and you go on and on about how i’m one eyed and only like holdens and hate craig and bla bla bla. Your seriously as bad as a journilist.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
The funny thing ofcourse is that you accuse me of being one eyed towards holden and ra ra ra, but mate you seem to be fairly one eyed towards your ford teams and drivers aswell there mate, perhaps you need to have a bit of a look in the mirror before you start laying into me the way you have done.
You surely must realise that your being a giant hypocrit in all of this…
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
and a few other points, just for the sake of the argument.
- The auto action drivers poll only started last year, it has only been run and won twice. The first time lowndes won fairest, the second time he did not (and didn’t rate a mention). You should probably know a little more about these kinds of things before commenting eh?
- I never said i necessarily agreed with the racing room ruling that happened beteen ambrose and murphy, i simply said it was something that ambrose created himself when he punted skaife off at eastern creak earlier that year. The Luff incident was clearly Luff’s fault and it ruined a very good day for Baird and Seton who where having an excellent day up untill then. So where Luff and Owen for that matter, but the (deserved) drive through rewined that didn’t it? He ruined two teams day, but that’s Luff for ya!
- Who do i think is the dirtiest driver? Courtney, and no not because he drives a ford, because he just is! I don’t think he even has the ability to pull off a clean racing move. Great talent, and seems to be a nice bloke, but he can’t drive in a pack! Hence why he has done nothing since joining the V8’s despite being one of, possibily even THE most talented guy out there.
- Tander being taken away from HSVDT? Coudn’t agree more, but give Rick some credit, those two pushed each other so hard and while Tander brough the best out in Rick, don’t forget that Tander had done very little in the grand scheme of things either before he joined the team, and Tander has even said himself that Rick brough the best out in him aswell.
- Rick Kelly and his reaction to the Rats crash, i think your being fairly harsh. Ricks reaction when he saw the crash i think was of “holy crap that looks like it hurt, i hope he is ok”. Racing drivers have a funny way of looking out for each other, and they know a painful crash when they see one. Sure he would have been dissapointed about the car, but i think his feelings for the Rat where clearly genuine and to suggest otherwise, i think, is being extreemly unfair.
- Jack Perkins, firstly Jack was available to race at the start of this season, he was given the all clear by cams before the Adelaide 500 and actually competed in the adelaide 500. Jacks development series campaign was not run by perkins motorsport, it was run by inderpendant race teams and was funded solely by Mack Trucks and acucheck. I think holden also gave some assisntance in the form of free panels and so forth. Perkins motorsport took over the operation however before bathurst due to the piss poor job inderpendant race cars where doing, stupid reliability issues dogged Jack’s season up untill that point.
As for Shane, i don’t think i made my opinion very clear here, i DO think Shane deserved his second season in the main game and i think you will find he would have got that drive regardless of Jacks condition. At that point Shane was clearly the better drive, no question. My point was simply that this season Jack has improved alot (its amazing what adversity can do for a sportsman) whereas i think Shane has just been treading water. At bathurst and phillip island Jack was the second quickest in the team at both events, not good enough really when Shane has been in the car all season and Jack hasn’t. I think that NOW Jack has overtaken Shane, and i think Larry needs to re-evaluate who is the better “young gun” going forward. I think however Larry will feel that if he choses Jack over Shane people will think he is giving his son a free ride, hence my comment that Larry would be a bit hesitant to give Jack a go over Shane.
In saying all of this, Jack isn’t the best driver to not be in the main game, that in my opinion is either Jason Bargwana or Stevie Owen. I can’t really decide between those two which is better, but maybe Steve deserves more of a go considering Jason has already had a decent career and Steve hasn’t.
I also really hope with courtney going to DJR next year that Steven Johnson isn’t left out in the cold, i’m a big steven johnson fan and i really hope if he does leave there he gets a good ride somewhere else.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
It’s interesting to read that Will Davison might be going to HRT next year forcing Skaife to retire. Now that would make for a VERY strong HRT, and i really do think you need two very strong drivers in a team to win a championship. Look back over the last few winners, all have had really strong team mates. No disrespect to Skaife, like him or not it cannot be denied that he is one of the sports greats, his record speaks for itself, but for a variety of reasons he has lost the edge and probably needs to step aside, for the good of his own team lets not forget!
He stepped in the com box with crompton at winton after his car was wrecked and i thought he was pretty good, him and cromly worked well of each other, thats probably skaifes future i think.
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Millatime – if you really think its magnificent and fantastic that the rat got hurt on saturday then i’m not even going to bother talking to you. Your clearly not a motorsport fan, your a shithead.
I may not agree with Andrew M, but atleast he loves his motorsport, unlike you who is probably one of the blokes at adelaide where where cheering and carry on when Ashley Cooper hit the wall at adelaide because it was “so awesome seeing a big crash, and it was a holden too! WOOOO”
Vote:October 14th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
and yes millatime i know you thought it was fantastic that it was a HSV car that was out, and not because he got hurt. But the point is you thought it was great that a HSVDT car had a crash and who gives a stuff if the driver is hurt or not right? As i said…
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 3:10 am
Richo careful that amount of posting is on par with Dingo lol.
David why come on here to say that crap, you just want a stir things up, luckily noone has paid attention to you. Anyways they have a race for every car make and model at Bathurst and it goes for 12 hours. I wonder if you watch that at all.
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 3:12 am
Millatime it was great that Team Tom had a horrid weekend but you never wish those sort of injuries to anyone. Especially someone like the Rat.
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Glen
Of course no-one ever wants to see a racing driver injured, or worse.
Richo
For God’s sake man get a grip! Then get a life! Pick up all your toys and put them back in your play pen! Go and take your medication, have a cup of tea and a good lie down, you’re dribbling all down the front of your shirt and you really are starting to make yourself look like a complete fool. Your intelligence level is that of a small rodent, you cannot spell, your sentances are poorly constructed, and generally you are demonstrating that as a life form you are down there on the level of a small festering wart.
Read what I wrote to Glen above, then get some crayons and pick your favourite wall at home and write it out about a hundred times until you understand. And do try not to eat the crayons. I’ll repeat it, once again, for you.
Of course no-one ever wants to see a racing driver injured, or worse.
Now try to comprehend this:
We don’t get all misty eyed when a footballer breaks a leg or suffers concussion or other injuries do we? Every week footballers get arried off the field in agony, but do we burst into tears every time? No. Why? Because no-one is forcing these guys to compete, they are paid heaps more than what we usually earn, and they know full well what they are doing and the risks involved. Injuries come with the territory and if a driver can’t handle that he should not race – simple.
Your reference to the driver above that lost his life is sickening. You are completely irresponsible and morally bankrupt, brain dead is probably more accurate, and you should be banned immediately from this site.
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Millatime – your accusing me of throwing my toys out of the cot? Seems like your having a bit of a cry there too mate!
I have an opinion, last time I checked this was an open site to express said opinions. If you don’t like what I have to say then that’s fine, I don’t really like what you have to say either.
In reference to my reference to Ashley’s crash, There WAS people at Adelaide who cheered and carried on when he hit the wall, why? Because they got to saw a big crash and how great is that eh? Who cares how the driver might be. That’s what their reaction was. You comments where about how fantastic and wonderful it was that a HSVDT car had a big smash and was out of the race, you where happy about it and where cheering. You then didn’t seem to care at all about how the driver was. Hence why I linked the two together, my linking them was not sickening, what was sickening was your lack of regard to the welfare of the Rat when he had his crash, you only cared that a HSVDT was out of the event. If you can’t handle that and think I should be banned, then again, I think you’re the pot calling the kettle black over having a go at me for over reacting.
All your other personal attacks don’t even warrant a response, they are over the top and massively childish. Alot like what your accusing me of.
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 10:17 am
and yes how terrible that i made a gramma error with “they got to saw a crash” instead of “they got to see a crash”
Someone please hange me for my crimes against spelling and gramma
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Don’t worry, i’m not going to make any more comments in this thread, you can all cheer and praise the lord that I am moving on from this thread. Motorsport discussions always bring out the worst/argumentative side of me and if that has offended/frustrated you then i’m sorry, but hey this is a public forum so if you don’t want to hear about other peoples opinions then you probably shouldn’t be viewing…
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Richo,
i dont think courtney to DJR is confirmed yet.
DJR have also said they really want to keep Davison. It will be a true test to his loyalty. If davison moves to HRT, it wont be just putting on a different shirt, it will mean packing up his life including his fiance and taking them all down south.
for a while Davison has probably been one of the most underrated drivers in the field. now he has showed a bit of success in a team that hasnt quite got it together yet, everyones starting to raise eyebrows.
I know plenty of teams are offering Davison big money, and rightly so.
I hope Davison doesnt move on for DJRs sake.
they have a great driver in Davison, and it would be great to see DJR maintain some stability in their driver line up for a few years to come.
i also dont know that Davison would cost them much more than what Courtney would be asking.
Oh, and you got the question before wrong.
The Dirtiest Driver is Paul Morris.
Yep, agree Steve Owen has been impressive and deserving.
would still be interested to see Adam Macrow in the main series in a decent car. he was impressive in the development series
Vote:October 15th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Richo
It’s hang, not hange. And do try to be nicer to your grand mother.
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