Credit where credit is due VW_Freak.

This is hilarious. Like, how big’s the light? I propose a 60 cm diameter fluoresecent green dome mounted on the roof with little radar ears revolving around its base to indicate that the driver on board is caring about you.

“social contribution”

I think this means all Toyota employees will be forced onto a whale only diet, which is reputed to reduce farting by 100%.

hehe, I was going to mention the Chrysler’s ELB wing lights in my first post, but went for brevity instead.

Reckless, you made me laugh. But the joke gives rise to the sobering realisation that Toyota can install as many feel-good lights on their cars as they like, while Japan ignores international pleas to stop endangering whale species.

The ‘eco light’ is like a shift lift on the rev counter it shows optimum rev range for economical driving..
There the number one car company in the world (profit, sales, volume, customer satisafaction, market share, whatever you can measure) for a reason.. why is that. ask yourselves.. No, easy to pay out on them hey. Takes less thinking i guess. At the very least, it allows more petrol for the V8′s to use…
If you see an expensive car at the lights (911 v8 vantage etc) do you think ‘what a wanker’ or ‘maybe if i work hard i will have one’? If your reaction is negative towards the success of other (or there efforts) you will never be succesful yourself… Just saying

DanMan, hehe, so true!!

DanMan,
perhaps you should loosen the cardy from around you neck, and put it around your waist.

i reckon plenty of people aspire to own porsche or Aston.
what makes you think one wouldnt??

the only ones that call the 911 driver at the lights a “W*nker” is the tree huggers.

and also where is this ’78 series landcruiser owner and why is he sitting at lights in the city yet again? i thought toyota was about clearing our roads and air.
does this guy know he is undoing all the grren saved by the Prius??

its ironic how you say green the world, stuff the V8′s etc etc,
and then slip in go the “Cruiser”

ihatemycardotcomdotau (what a crap website too. what 30 unique hits a month?) LOL.

Wow thats Shakespeare isn’t it. ‘when they shoot at you your right’…

Andrew M
What are you trying to say… My point obviously went right over you head so not even going to be drawn into a battle of wits. ( i refuse to fight an unarmed opponet)

quote “i thought the toyota badge already meant soft c*ck at the wheel.
now you get a light too??

hahaha That was gold Andrew!

Quote ” It is Toyota’s belief that global warming and energy related issues cannot be solved through automotive solutions alone and that transport infrastructure, governmental actions and the actions of society (including drivers) must also combine to achieve progress on this front.”

Well patty on the back for Toyota who thought Toyota cared so much about the world…here I was thinking that its another way of selling and marketing cars to idiots that believe in that crap……bet that Dinosaurs wished good old Toyota would have been around back then they could have developed a car that created warmth into the atmosphere and saved them from the ICE AGE ,wait a minute they do and I think they may just get some of their styling from them too………..

And the truth hurts when those Toyota lovers cant control those on this website that hate Toyota ………..boring boring boring! They have start with the name calling!

The Toyota trio are about to start my Caradvice friends……..

And BTW i would never buy with my own money a current TOYOTA. well Maybe an sr5 T/D xcab 4×4 in charcol grey..
But i do respect the way they do business. They really seem to care about making most people happy, most of the time.They are clever at business, they rule with marketing, there products have a well deserved reputation for reliability (least worst?)they employ (directly or indirectly) thousands of Australiian’s and will continue to do so for a very long time to come.
And this is bad how?

Arrrrr,G6ETURBO,we should get that passed in Parliament !

Yet McDonalds is the biggest fast food chain in the world!
Is that your point, boring cars but everyone buys them?
Im loving it, Oh what a feeling

milobob,
is that a dedicated LPG variant they are talking?
or just a duel fuel??

Yes u are right Andrew M.

*chuckle*

I always find it VERY amusing to read toyota threads. If I were to filter out all the toyota bashing and loving I bet the toyota threads will be the shortest in caradvice.

But anyway, Andrew M, check the drive website news, there is something there on LPG and Toyota. I don’t think I am allowed to post links here.

Yeah and both make tasteless products but as you say clever {not cleaver} marketing…………….

The only car that seems quite interesting from Toyota/Lexus is their V10 LF-A-but unfortunately it may not actually make it into production because of performance targets not being met.
Yamaha had a big input(as with other Toyota road cars) in the V10 engine but can’t seem to squeeze out enough power.
I think they’ll go forced induction or if they are so concerned about the environment-bite the bullet and build a hybrid super car:)

ihatemycardotcomdotau (what a crap website too. what 30 unique hits a month?) LOL.

new website ….not all cities were build overnight you noob.

Your three sons?, wow, that will show em. Take that you globally dominating car company.
I don’t think your attack on car salesmen is justified, they work for the dealership, not the manufacturer, sales people don’t build them, they just sell them.
Next time make sure you read the contract fully before signing, to avoid disappointment.

Nothing against the hybrids…my sons will choose their cars elsewhere I make sure of that.

And just as in the Maccas ads where the people are Paid to bite into the burger and look as though they’re enjoying it.

The people in the Toyota ads driving the Corolla or TRD etc are paid to drive them and look as though thay are enjoying it.

Do you guy’s wake up in the middle of the night and argue over who’s hogging the doona?

Back on topic, I loathe Toyota and their cars. Prius exists only because Toyota have no passenger car diesel engines.

Their latest misleading advertising states lowest price servicing of any manufacturer. Sounds great, if only it were true. Every purchaser has allready pre-paid servicing costs in the purchase price which Toyota raised.

Toyota opposed US legislation to introduce minimum fuel standards for commercial vehicles. WHY? Biggest selling segment in the US is the pick up (classified as commercial) market which Toyota has just entered into.

“Toyota is also investing heavily in new technology.. ..fuel cell hybrid (FCHV-adv) vehicles, biomass-to-liquid (BTL) fuels, and bio hydrofined diesel (BHD – as an alternative to petroleum based diesel)..” You are absolutely kidding yourself if you think you will see these any time soon in the market place.

“It is Toyota’s belief that global warming and energy related issues cannot be solved through automotive solutions alone and that transport infrastructure, governmental actions and the actions of society (including drivers) must also combine to achieve progress on this front.” This superb piece of marketing spin paints Toyota as a responsible corporate citizen while actually allowing them to sit on their hands and merely dabble with over-hyped hybrids and talk about various other technologies. “Transport infrastructure” and “actions of society” are all functions of government, so what they’re really saying is Toyota will do only the bare minimum until they are forced to by “governmental actions”, most likely in the form of generous tax concessions or government funded investment, as the Victoria Government has announced.

Toyota are absolutely ruthless in business and truly fierce competitors. On a daily basis they twist and manipulate the truth, stealing idea’s and technology from competitors, and are not in any way the friends of the earth as they are so fond of portraying.

This whole “news item” is straight from Toyota marketing press release and the fact that CA ends this story with
“Kudos Toyota” shows they tremble before the giant and will not question the hand that feeds.

well, what a way to put a positive and turn it to a brand generalization and bashing.

It just shows, truely proves, that some will never get it.
Just won’t…. refuses to…. mind set in stone.

But, I think as the global leader in the industry and one of the best in the world of business altogether, its a very good direction to pursue.

Toyota caters to the masses, and its smart business. That their market, and very good products for that market.

I still do not understand enthusiasts putting down Toyota cars. The cars they make today, specifically in Australia are not for you. Just move on, don’t even waste bandwidth on stating redundant points.

Again, its good to have a Toyota as an everyday car.

‘Can it be a coincidence that The Salesman and DanMan most often surface within minutes of each other and then universally endorse each others comments??? ‘

Glad you notice,
is it a coincidence that we both post the most logical and fair comments on this site…

Funny that Toyota put this out just before we got to hear about the Kia Thread
“KIA has topped the Smart Green Index for the large car segment in the US”

Hmm could the lowly Korean be beating Toyota at it’s own game?. As for the salesman and DanMan, Toyota is only the No1 sale brand in one country. Yes they sell more cars around the world, as they are sold in more countries than any other single brand. They are also selling vehicles to suit the market they are going into. Do youy believe that the Toyotas in SA or the Middle East actually meet any of the enviromental regulations imposed on their vehicles sold in say, Australia or Europe, Japan or the US?? Trust me the don’t. So this is the green car company?? As has been pointed out, Citroen (that little french company that builds weird cars but has been around longer than Jesus) and Peugot have a smaller co2 foot print for their fleet than Toyota and they don’t have any Hybrids on the mass market, nor do they have LPG. THey just have small smelly diseasels. Now don’t take me wrong, Toyota are not a bad company, it’s just that they are only as good as the rest. Yes they go to respective goevrnments and lobby (read buy) legislation to siut their products, but that’s business. Ask the Victorian govt. why they gave them $35 mill and why they are in the process of changing taxi licences so that hybrids are half price? Toyota will let you smell the roses, but don’t bend down too far or you will cop a whiff of the fertiliser.

Voila!

Ummm (gee you toyota lovers are touchy) but every manufacturer builds their cars to be just enough for the market they are going into. Yes the South African bound / built Toyotas have less regulations on them than the Australian ones, So does every other vehicle produced for there. It is to do with little things such as the inconsistancies of the fuels and the servicing and abuse the vehicles get in these climates.
There are companies (much like theones here that convert Japanese vehicles to australian spec) that convert incomming vehicles to suit.
Point in case in the differences of countries and requirements, why do all Europeans state their cars prefer PULP? becuase European base fuel is Australian PULP. Also if everything was the same everywhere, why do the manufacturers spend millions of R&D money in countries like Australia, SA, Thailand as well as Europe, The Sates and Japan?
Go to your parts dept and have a look at Microcat, then try matching part numbers up with overseas models,you’ll be surprised at how much is different.

Sorry but car manufacturers build cars to a price, if they know they can short cut emmisions in countries then they do. All manufacturers do it so don’t feel bad. It is why they set up factories in different countries to make the same cars. Makes it easier to make the changes. Honestly, a middle eastern Camry is not the same as the one you buy here. Same factory sure, but the changes are numerous and do include emmision controls. Why was Pregio stoped from sale in Asu but still availble in the middle east and asia? Same with the Daihatsu trucks (the ones Toyota dealers used to sell as well) and F series Diesels. All still onsale with the same motors, just not available here because of our emmission controls.

Agree 100% with every thing u have said Millatime!

Frontman is right as well.

Here’s a few points in response..

1. Frontman – you are absolutely correct with different specs for different markets. And The Salesman knows it. By his admission he’s been in the industry a good many years in management roles. (Unless he’s lying and misleading us of course, remember the salesman bit.) All he’s doing is trying to confuse and have some fun, he’s throwing smoke.

A new Cruiser ute comes with low emission 4.5 V8 diesel. The old 4.2 diesel 6 was banned from sale in new vehicles in this country on 1/1/07. But go to Asia and the same new cruiser ute has the same bonnet scoop, except it’s closed. No intercooler under there. No low emission 4.5 V8 under there. But the old too dirty for Oz 4.2 diesel 6 under there.

2. Joober – you have paraphrased me perfectly, and summed up Toyota’s philosophy perfectly in your closing paragraph. I really don’t think you meant to but well done anyway!

3. The Salesman – it’s not about who’s #1 and who sells the most. Maybe in your world it is, but for the rest of us humans that don’t sell cars it’s wading through sll the corporate rubbish to establish exactly who’s doing what. You see it’s all about this strange thing called truth, what a rare and precious commodity.

4. One final point. Fitting a “Eco Driving Indicator” is a lot like giving Charles Manson a “Humane Murder Indicator”. Imagine all the 4.7 LC200 and 4.0 Prado drivers all rushing to join Greenpeace and the World Wildlife Fund now that their Eco Feel Good Meter lets them know how jolly good they’ve all been.

I frequent this site because it is the industry I live by; my opinions are based on experience and knowledge from the school of hard knocks.
The feed back I receive is invaluable for me in rounding a well diversed knowledge from more like minded people such as yourselves.
The salesman puns I have had to live with for some time and are to be expected from people who don’t understand or are uneducated about the salespersons roll in the industry. (It’s a cheep shot)
It is no secret we are there to protect the profit in the product we sell; we also understand that a win/win scenario is the only environment our clients will allow an agreement to be made so we always end up sharing the profit with the customer by way of discount.
Salesmen are a different breed of person, it has been said that sales is now just as complicated as nuclear physics, and psychology.
Despite all this you will not convince me manufactures will not try and find better ways to advance themselves in the global market.
The environment is the hot topic, so all manufactures are using this as a marketing strategy, try and find an ad now that doesn’t have fuel consumption ratings on it, or CO2 levels.