I must admit this is very neat..
Very nice car
Camry plus chrome.
Yep and the unveiling of the new ES350 is right on queue after the release of the new Crapry/Ewwrion.
In the USA, the ES350 is cheaper than the IS350. If Lexus can do the same here in Australia, this would make the ES350 less than $65,000, which would be a great price. At the moment, Australia lacks any kind of affordable luxury V6 sedan, so we *need* this.
We have the Ewwrion Presara. Its the same car just different styling and price ($49,990).
Also I think the Holden Crapice is supposed to be Australia’s affordable luxury sedan.
Actually the new ES is no longer based on the Camry/Aurion platform
Holden caprice? Lmao, that’s just a commodore with shiny plastic chrome hahahaaa
You think the Toyota Avalon platform is any different? It’s just a enlarged Crapry/Ewwrion platform! It’ll still come with added shiny plastic chrome hahahaaaa
I think you will find the Aurion is just a 6 cylinder Camry with a slightly different face and badges.
The Holden Calais is a V6 or V8 affordable Luxury sedan. The Caprice is a longer wheel based Holden Limo.
Since when was the Aurion ever considered to be a luxury sedan?
Who claimed that?
It’s interesting how the Lexus has the ES and GS to tackle the Mercedes E-class, essentially the BMW 5 series, and also the Audi A6. I really wonder why. If it isn’t then, is it in a class of it’s own? Nevertheless, the first impression is very positive, this car, is a big step away from the old ES, where it was ugly, and was essentially too well connected with the Camry, in terms of design.
Although I must say, it’s still got it’s camry connections, in the exterior, especially the rear. I think the front and rear are actually from the Aurion… just in more Luxurious detail. The interior is obviously Lexus and not Toyota at all. Even though I have noted these things, I really like the new interior, and the price is decent for a large car that is apparently going to tackle the E-class. I think it might even be cheaper than the GS’s base price of $77k. That would be a major plus, for a car with such a nice interior, and the exterior, even though, a fair amount like the Aurion, it’s still very nice and not exactly Aurion. So I would buy one.
Take that back, I would wait for what the experts think of the drive, and if it’s as good as the new GS, then I would get one.
So it’s basically a FWD GS?
No, it’s a Crapry/Ewwrion with different bodywork and interior and always has been.
To say that Lexus ES = Camry/Aurion is like saying Audi = VW Golf. High quality materials, extremely tight tolerance control and strict QA aren’t cheap.
I agree. People should check on youtube ”
Lexus “The Hard Way”video.
I just can’t deal with a FWD Luxury car…
In the US, the ES in the the same price category as the IS. They are rivals rival for C-class, 3 Series, A4. GS is a class above and significantly more expensive.
I’m not sure why Lexus have separate names for IS and ES when they are more or less the same price. IS350 about USD3.5k more expensive than ES350. So essentially it is the ES coupe.
That’s really interesting, as the C clasd, A4 and the 3 series, are all smaller.
This is a $60k car for people that don’t like road noise, road hum, cabin boom, suspension creak, wind baffle, engine noise and exhaust resonance. QC and attention to detail on this car is better than the Camry despite both sharing the same platform.
Which are the key elements to a good daily drive. Should also be very interesting how Lexus’ new driving dynamics will be.
Umm the new ES350 is no longer based on the Camry platform.
It’s based on the Avalon platform..
Which in turn is based on the Camry Platform. In fact it is just a stretched Camry platform.
That makes this a Camry with woodgrain. WOOHOO!
The Aurion is a pretty good car, good engine.. Zr6 one is nice
The 3.5L V6 (2GR-FE) is gonna be further improved.. With more low friction technology to be used..
Power is gonna be bumped upto 210Kw, 370Nm @ 3800rpm
Fuel consumption of 9.4/100Km
Improved 6-speed transmission
Dunno why they bother having two identical engines one with direct and one without direct? cant all these 3.5 ltr Toyota and lexus have the same engine. I’d rather them spend the money improving the directinjected engine to make it superior against those offered by Nissan who are 200cc above. That would be a real selling point.
Because the direct inject engines usually require more expensive premium fuel. While the regular 3.5L V6 can use regular unleaded.
Actually bit of searching, and found out that the direct injected 2GR can run on 91, They say premium across the board, basing it off the US market where 91 octane is considered premium over there.
It probably means that it runs on American 91 rating, which is not the same as our 91. Their ‘regular’ is 87, I believe.
The reason is that the direct injected V6 is used for the more expensive models..
IS250 has direct injection (4GR-FSE) the IS350&GS350 (2GR-FSE) have both port & direct injection..
But the power difference is not from the injectors but with the Cam profiling, Valve timing and better exhuast.. Also better rocker ratios for the 2GR-FSE
The 2GR is arguably the best V6 available today; velvety smooth, quiet & unruffled.. Beautiful power delivery..
Quite disappointed that there is no F-Sport version.
Anyone else thinks it looks like an i45 from the rear a little?
No, it doesn’t look like an i45 what so ever..
Maybe not specifically i45, but the back does look like it could wear a Hyundai badge without looking out of place.
Looks more like the IS
That’s te first thing I thought too, the rear end looks just like an I45!
It looks like Hyundai and very Korean.
It has an elegent style..
Interior looks nice
Only negative I see is the wood trim in the interior, otherwise a HUGE improvement!
That is probably the most stunning FWD car i have ever seen.
Nice … very nice !
Yep nice, but I still rate the body of the Kia optima
You are right, the rear looks very Korean.
I really dont see the point of this car in Australia. Lexus already have the IS to go head to head with the 3 Series, C Class and the A4. Then they have the GS to mash it up with the 5, E and A6. Where would this car fit in? Its not as if there’s a huge pricing gap between the top spec IS and base model GS, in order for Lexus to be able to justify selling this on pricing. If they price it too low it will cannibalise IS sales, too high and no one will buy it.
Nothing against the car though, i do quite like it even thought it is FWD.
It’s sold in USA, more expensive then IS250 but cheaper then IS350.. So it won’t cannibalise sales of the IS..
Lexus is substance..
Lexus is Toyota with woodgrain
Wait till you see the new Nissan Altima
is that a cassette player?
I’ve driven aurion and those things are fast and very very smooth
If this is priced between 60-70k it will do good
Very very nice car
If only the aurion was a rear wheel Drive
This is on the Camry platform? We should be building it here! We need something like this to bolster our industry. Oh wait a minute that makes too much sense. Nevermind….