Nice to see they finally ditched the tacky clear tail-lights from the current model.
Gggsjfinchajdjensbbwhsbfu sorry i was going 2 write something nice about this camry but i fell asleep at the keyboard because its looks so f#*ing boring.
ASasfalkjlkj I was going to reply to your post but I fell asleep reading your boring comment.
I actually think the hybrid’s front bumper looks heaps better than the non-hybrid models.
If you got 2 kids and you do not towing this is very good size car with excellent fuel economy 5.7 L/100km in city and 4.9 L/100km on highway with 8 sec to 100km/h acceleration.
Except that sedans aren’t very practical and this sedan has a relatively small boot.
I can never understand why Australians think sedans make great family cars.
How you going to fit prams/kids bikes/eskys/sports gear etc into the boot for family outings?
Lol Comment on Camry boot space for families? Even Qld police service can’t use tham as squad cars as they cannot fit the required equipment in the boot…..
Get your facts right ?????????. Qld Police have been using the outgoing model Hybrid Camry for at least the last 12 months.
I am tempted for Hybrid Luxury model. Love the interior, and the exterior is not bad at all, the front bumper is way better looking than the Atara models.
Slightly better looking both inside and out.
So how is the boot space on this one? And I hope the handbrake hasn’t gone missing as I can’t see it.
IIRC it now has one of those “lovely” foot operated park brakes.
Got to love the American influence. Then again we are starting to turn into another state of the US ie using their language, losing our sense of humour/sarcasm detection etc…
Camery? “1,500 more than the Camery Hybrid luxury”
I hope the battery is NOT in the boot of this version. The last model had a compromised boot and you also could not tow with it. I also think Toyota should extend its 8 year battery warranty to the inverter. A failed inverter out of warranty is $5K. Still looks promising… Too bad it still looks bland!
not bad – i am fan off eco motoring (not)… but how this car stack up against Falcon LPG? small boot space… and fuel economy in real world as tested in previous gen Camry was far from claimed… slow acceleration thru battery power negating the benefit of hybrid… so in real life just a tad better than normal camry… Falcon LPG with mammoth power w cost of corolla seems bettter
Camry Hybrid boot size 421 liter, Falcon LPG 408 liter. Camry Hybrid average fuel economy 5.2 liter /100km, Falcon LPG 15.9 L/100km. At current fuel prices ULP91 at $1.439 and LPG $0.739 and 17,000 km pa Camry Hybrid fuel cost is $1,272 Falcon LPG $1,998.
According to VFACTS, 3082 new cars sold in Australia last year were categorised as LPG-fuelled.
good figures F1MotoGP,
The biggest advantage of Camry hybrid re boot space is that as it has a normal spare tyre under the boot floor. Unlike Falcon LPG which can have a spare tyre but it sits “inside the boot space” which decreases the usable space to half.
Total rubbish figures!
If you are going to make these comparisons you MUST use accurate figures, not made up shite.
The LPi Falcon averages 12.5 l/100km.
The current average price of ULP is $1.55
Whilst that still makes the Hybrid slightly cheaper, due to the recent price hikes of LPG, it’s fairly close, but the LPi Falcon is by far the better drive (and CAN tow).
Falcon is 12.3 LPG so $1,545… and on $2 test it beat Corolla for the millage achieved… and the power figures are much better for “drivers car”… also real life fuel for Camry H is 6.6 = $1,614 – where Falcon is more consistent on fuel uses
My 2007 LPG Falgon EGAS wagon (factory LPG, OLD SYSTEM, not the new more efficiet LPi) recently averaged 10.8 l/100kms from Melb>Gold Coast return, all via the hilly Hume/Pacific Hwys moving at slightly above the posted limits, with about 300kgs onboard.
Total fuel cost was $213.00 (LPG abt $0.65l less docket discount at the time).
You will never do that at that cost, in any diesel or hybrid, espescially given the space, comfort and speed of the trip.
Also note that if driving at around 90 kmh, could see this drop to about 8.5 L/100 under the same conditions.
Any car can show a nice, low L/100 reading on the TC on a flat, smooth urban freeway. Real world figures are what count.
thanks Beakas… im fan of falcon lpg
04 prius recent bne-gong-blue mts-cbr round trip 3K, average 6L/100, moderately loaded, 2 adults 2 kids luggage with a/c use all trip. E10 used on 1 leg, significantly reduced economy. comfortable trip
LPG price is on the rise, currently at 90c/litre. With the 50% thermal efficiency of petrol, it currently cost $1.80/litre
“With the 50% thermal efficiency of petrol” lol I think you’re a little confused there. ‘Efficiency’ has more to do with the engine design, not the fuel.
LPG has a lower energy density than petrol (about 30%), but it has a much higher octane rating, meaning it can take more ignition timing and a higher compression ratio. This allows more energy to be extracted from the fuel.
Modern LPG systems like the LPi Falcon will use about 25% more fuel then a petrol fuelled Falcon, while an old mixer type set-up will use 50% more than an equivalent petrol fuelled car.
If you’re using twice as much LPG, there’s something very wrong with your car. It’s a commonly held urban myth though.
4.9L per 100km, big deal. The Holden Camira from the 1980’s could do 46MPG (at a constant 90km/h cruise) and do Melbourne to Sydney on 1 tank of petrol looooool
Yeah but you’d have to stop at every Holden dealership along the way to get something fixed on it.
They are discussing cars here not Holdens.
Looks like a big improvement! Nice one toyota
I think these will start selling much better now that they can tow and have a far less compromised boot. I actually found the previous Camry hybrid by far better to drive than its normal engined siblings (i drove both regularly for work), if anything the Hybrid felt (ironically) sportier than the standard model.
300kgs is not really towing…… My box trailer weighs about 250kgs empty!
How long does the main battery last? 8yrs? 10yrs? And how much does it cost to replace it?
In Aus it’s common to keep cars for 10yrs, 20yrs and beyond. After 10-15yrs the car will probably be cheaper than a replacement main battery. So it’s not economical to replace the main battery by that time. This brings up the question, is there a switch some where to enable 100% petrol driven mode (by-passing the electric motor and main battery) and just depend on the 12V battery, like in a normal car? This would be good for Toyota as well since there will be 20yr, 30yr and 40yr old Toyota Hybrids on the road or as driveable vintage cars, good advertising/marketing for Toyota and good for the people on low income which own second hand hybrids and can’t afford to replace the main batteries.
…..hybrid battery warranty of eight years or 160,000 kilometres (whichever occurs first).
Source Toyota Australia
seems like a valid point – but this would negate hybrid in first place and go directly for non hybrid… also Toyota advises that Hybrid customer will save overall cca $2,500 over 3 years… meaning that $5k or so premium of H would take close to 6 years to break even… by saying that – “You have to keep this car for 12 years!!! to have $5k saving – to spend it for new battery
Just would like to add that I believe the Mazda3 Skyactiv has a switch on the dashboard to disable the Skyactive engine auto start/stop feature. That would turn it into a “normal” car. If so, that’s great. I could see at least 3 good things when the Skyactiv is on/off switchable and so it’s switchable to “normal” cars:
1) Sometime in the future, if you find that it chews through the 12V starter motors ($600 ea?) and the 12V batteries ($130-$300 ea), just flick the switch to turn it to a normal car to prolong the life of those parts.
2) By-passing the complex start/stop system. Say by then you own a 7yr old Mazda3 Skyactiv and Skyactive start/stop’s playing up and doesn’t work as it should. You go to the Mazda dealer and they want thousands to fix it up. You could just flick the switch to disable the Skyactiv engine start/stop and keep on driving.
3) In an emergency or in the outback or in situations where 0.3sec is too long to restart the engine or when the system wears out it may take longer than 0.3sec to auto restart the engine, there’s an option to switch off the engine start/stop feature.
Springvale Boi, the Mazda stop/start system doesn’t stress the electric starter motor as much as many other stop/start systems. The Mazda system restarts primarily by combustion. It stops the pistons in a specific position, when the “signal” is sent to restart it injects fuel directly into the required cylinder then ignites the fuel hence forcing the piston down. It then continues this on subsequent pistons bringing the engine up to idle speed. The starter motor stills assist with this process, however it isn’t drawing anywhere near the amount of amps as a conventional “starter motor only” start. This therefore causes much less stress on the battery/starter/electrical system.
You are right though, it is good that you have the choice actually turn it off. (The position that would be selected if I had a car with start/stop!)
Put it this way, the batteries have been known to easily last for 700,000km, and have been known to easily last 10 years. I remember when the Gen 2 Prius came out, the batteries were $8,000 plus to replace, now they’re $2,000. So as time goes by, the batteries become far cheaper to replace. Honestly, if i owned a hybrid car, i’d be more concerned with engine troubles than battery troubles…
When Honda released the new Insight this is what Honda said about hybrid batteries.
“Honda says its battery pack should be good for around 15 years of
regular use, equating to roughly 240,000km on the odometer. For extra
peace of mind, the battery is warranted for eight years with no
Should it need to be replaced outside of the warranty, a new battery
will cost $1875. A full 98% of the old battery (a nickel-metal hydride
unit) is recyclable.”
They have always been one of the best looking cars around, and this is really a dream car for me….only problem is I had my licence taken off me a while back, and the nursing home wont allow us to drive..
There is a good article on this website “Toyota Prius the Taxi champion” By Alborz Fallah | July 22nd, 2008. It is all about hybrid battery.
Steering wheel controls look WAY too busy – they’re supposed to be basic audio controls to aid road safety such as volume and audio track control – not a full playsation/Wii control pad! Unless you can control the car from the steering controls! LOL!
Looks like a massive step up.
Honestly, I can’t think of a single thing that you could tow that weighs less then 300 kgs.
Haven’t you seen the little trailers with the mobility scooters on them?
where are your initial impressions on the ride and handling of the hybrid?