Rudd says LCT increase not out yet
September 4, 2008 by George Skentzos
The saga surrounding the proposed increase to the luxury car tax isn’t over yet, despite the Senate overturning the bill this morning.
The Federal Government has stated it will reintroduce the defeated bill, attacking the Opposition over its actions arguing that it will take more than $500 million from the Budget surplus.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has said the Opposition is effectively putting the wealthy before the needs of families.
“I think it’s remarkable that in the first defining vote in the Senate of the new Senate on a major tax measure before the Parliament and the nation, the Liberal Party stands up and says … ‘we the Liberal Party are going to say that our first legislative action is to ensure that you can get a cheaper luxury car’,” he said.
However it seems Mr Rudd is significantly out of touch with today’s motoring industry, with the severely outdated $57,000 threshold labelling cars such as the new Subaru WRX STi and Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X as ‘luxury’ models.
Furthermore, Australian family favourites such as the Holden Sportwagon SS-V and Toyota Tarago V6 GLi are priced just shy of this mark, with almost any factory option pushing these models beyond the luxury tax threshold.
“Next sitting week we will attempt again to get the Liberals to become responsible, to say the needs of Australian families are more important than the purchases of luxury cars, and we ask all senators to put Australian families first.” said Mr Rudd.
This narrow minded rhetoric is based upon the assumption that anyone who can afford a car worth more than $57,000 has money to burn, when in fact these ‘luxury’ car buyers and families are one in the same.
Treasurer Wayne Swan also ridiculed the Coalition for its opposition to the car tax and other Budget measures such as raising taxes on pre-mixed drinks and condensate.
“We’ve seen the philosophy of the Leader of the Opposition, it’s been laid out in the Senate. They stand for big oil, fast cars and they stand for Bacardi Breezers.”
Oh dear.
Let’s hope common sense prevails.
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Just like the Harbour Bridge Fenno…. the toll was to pay for that mmmm pretty damn certian its been paid for by now as well…Iemma’s out and Costa lets keep sacking them let’s call the Govenor General..he helped us last time
The more you earn the more you pay. umm helloe that’s always been the case!
I’m stumped as to how $57,000 is classed as an average price for an average vehicle!?
I’m sorry $57,000 on a motor vehicle is a ‘luxury item’ and before anybody bashes me for being a high earner hater or car hater, i earn very decent money and cars are one of my passions, i work in the auto industry.
Cars are a waste of money first and formost, you have over $57,000 grand to burn a vehicle alone, you can afford many things, thats reality, kids or no kids.
There is a large variety of vehicles under $50 grand!!
a bloke once told me this,and i’ve always remembered it because it still rings true…the liberal party is all about seperating the rich for the poor..and the labour party is all about helping the poor to the real benefit of nobody…it would seem that both partys’s need each other to exist.In italy,which has always had a reasonable economy,a formed goverment doesn’t seem to last longer than 9 months…could this be an answer….
Take and give in many different forms based on what party is in power, same crap different day scenario.
We are over governed and pollies will always screw you over.
At the end of the day the economy is controlled by the general publics spending habits, we control our greedy apetities and the economy remains stable!
Check out the over spending on home load re-draw facilities, credit card debt etc…
Then we blame whatever political party is in power for the slowdown in economy, the economy will always have peaks and troughs, you can’t have the good and not the bad people.
Adam – our argument isn’t whether 57k is or isn’t alot of money to pay for a car, our argument is why should people who have acheived success be punished for that success? Thats the argument mate.
But back to your argument, 57k buys a farmer a 75 series ute (once he has added on the necessary accessories such as towbars as well as on roads) are you suggesting that a farmer “treating himself” to a new work truck is a “luxury” purchase? The 57k cap is way out of proportion. What about the family with 5 kids who want to buy themselfs a new toyota torago to get around in? Thats over 57k once its on road, again would that be a luxury purchase? Again, the LCT is out of touch with reality.
Labor Turkeys…. this is a one term government for sure.
Richo, You dont pay LCT on commercial vehicles.
And if you listen to Adam (AkA MADA); the family in the Tarago should have brought a Kia Carnival…
But if you listen to Krudd. We should all be driving Prius’ and Civic Hybrids.
Boggy, the toll still remains in place on the Harbour bridge to cover the cost of handpainting it again every year. Not so the case with the Gateway bridge in Brissy. Promise was made to abolish toll once the bridge was paid for and yet the toll increases by 10c approx every 6 months. Where is this “tax” going?
CA, How about an article on all car related taxes and where the money is actually spent. Might make some good investigative journalism.(look out TT or ACA!)
We can only hope Greenroom…hey anybody out there know Mr Dudd’s email addy so we can send him our thoughts lol
Richo…
1. The more money you earn the more tax you get slugged, why is that concept suddenly new to some of you?
2. If you feel hard done buy as you earn more money, scale back, earn less and get taxed less.
3. Tha farmer doesn’t already get lower vehicle import tariffs compared to a similar priced passenger vehicle? for example you can buy more metal for your money with a BMW X5 compared to a BMW 5 series, ALL 4WDS are left of the hook in regards to import tariffs, true farm use 4WDs should be the ONLY ones getting the lower import tariff figure.
4. You’re not talking about the family farmer, most of you are whining about the status and excess of owning such a simple passenger vehicle, you want status, you pay for it! simple.
5. The family of 5 kids can easily spend no more than $40,000 on a used one year old tarago, you have to have rocks in your head to buy a brand NEW tarago!
Then the ’said’ family will complain once they trade in their 1-2 year old, bought brand new tarago when it lost nearly $20,000 in in resale…
buy smart not greedy, why do you think our economy goes up and down so much, most people live above their means…and we don’t like being told so.
We live in a world obsessed with having things new and replaced quicker and quicker…
fenno…
don’t assume, many options available to all of us, we simply choose not to see all of the choices we have available to us.
heck i earn too much as a single person, so i got slugged the extra mdeicare levy come tax time, the other choice i had was to join a basic private health cover and avoid paying the levy, at leats this way i can claim a 1/3 of the levy i pay the private health company every year.
i’d be better off earning 10-15 grand less a year, free health cover and less tax, more take home pay!
i still prefer to earn more money… like many of you choose to also.
Stop bitching.
your far better off buying a 6month to a one year old car than brand new, you lose far less money, go ahead buy new then whinge you lost your resale because you wanted the NEW car. please.
but Adam if people have worked hard, got themselfs some sucess and money and therefore a toyota torago IS within their means, why should they have to buy a 4 year old one? If they want a new one, why should they get taxed for doing that?
Ofcourse you pay more tax when you earn more, but this LCT is just a blatant tax against rich people, it is mate, you can’t argue that. You already pay higher stamp duty when buying a more expensive car, so why is it just to have another tax put ontop of that which is nothing more then a blatant grab for cash, but just because someone can afford a 57k car then they somehow deserve to have cash taken out of their wallets for no good reason?
the envy some people feel towards others just because they have the money to buy a more expensive car, THAT is where this tax came from, no where else. Its an unjustifiable tax. You already get taxed on buying a car in the form of stamp duty that goes on the price of the car (so you pay more duty on a 57k car already compared to a 20k car) and then you get taxed AGAIN simply because its over a magical threshold of 57k which somehow automatically makes the car a “luxury” car. So lets get this straight, you get taxed for doing buying a car, and then you get taxed AGAIN if the government feels that your purchase is just a bit too extravogant… gee what political model does that sound like… its not comun ism is it?
richo…
where di i say a 4 year old tarago? i said ONE year old, there isn’t much difference except for the status for which the buyer has a choice which is my whole point…
If it IS within there means, they have nothing to complain about, you can’t have all your luxuries and not pay for them. We all get taxed, buy new and you get taxed more while resale is also worse, heck you will lose more in resale then the extra tax you pay, again you have a choice buy near new and avoid the bloody tax! crist you have a choice!
stamp duty is based on purchase price buy a $5000 and you pay les than someone buying a $15,000 car, and?? that system has been in place for years across all states…under national/liberal i might add.
I pay huge amounts of tax every week due to my wage, i support whole families, and?? whing all you like, many things in life are unfair, and??
consider yourself very lucky compared too many on the lifestyle you and i lead, but most of the general public put themselves in debt then blame the goverment, blame the banks who financed the people who NEVER should have been approved for the so called ‘great Aussie dream’ of woing a house they can’t afford afford once they added to the pool and 2 NEW vehicles, because they had the right at the time…
If you think your financial position will remain the same for the rest of your life and have planned it that way, be my guest plan for the things you want to have, but if you didn’t plan and were bone head racking up debt left right and centre and EXPECTED interest rates would remain the same for 20 years flat, your a down right idiot!
$ 3 .00 per car .. sh*t !!! im goona become a bridge painter
Adam, glad we have people like you to tell us how we should spend our hard-earned money. Yes, I could buy a kia rio, and yes that would suffice, just like I could buy a fantastic furniture couch, or restock my pantry with homebrand everything. But thats not the point. I didn’t work my arse off throughout my life just so I can live like I’m still a uni student as nearly half my income goes to the government (more once you consider council rates, etc).
I understand why the ‘rich’ (hate that term, because its so relative) pay more tax than the less well off, but the point is we already do pay more tax, our income tax bracket is higher, we are already paying more stamp duty. Why should have to pay yet another tax on top of the already higher tax we pay just so we can get a more expensive car. And why only cars? By your logic there should be a luxury couch tax on all leather couches, a luxury house tax, hell, lets get creative and make a luxury toilet paper tax on all toilet paper greater than single ply, because clearly we can all get by on single ply, anything more and you’re just being a fatcat.
The tax simply makes no sense. Increasing it makes even less, particularly with no provision for the ‘luxury’ boundary to increase. I hope you feel guilty everytime you buy a bottle of coke instead of home brand ‘cola’, otherwise you’re just being a hypocrite.
Wow, did i ever say i agreed with the tax? NO.
I simply sick of the people who complain about anything and everything, i like how no one has adressed the fact we as nation have huge personal debt and that is one the main contributing factors of how our economy performs.
Yes the goverment, regardless of labour or liberal all screw us over, i agree completely.
We have choice about what we buy and how much we spend, thats reality.
we buy for wnat and need and that’s where many people don’t understand the difference.
As i said before, i earn good money and get taxed heavily, but i’m not one of these people who go out and buy material products to keep up apperances or keep up with what i should own to prove my worth.
I’m a car fanatic and work in the auto trade and could afford easily to buy a BMW or any high line badge but i find far more important things in life than simple materialistic items which have debt attached to the ‘warm fuzzy feeling’ that wears off once you own that lovery shiny vehicle for a few months.
But don’t…sit there and tell us you can’t afford this and that due to the extra tax our predictable, fat cat pollies have placed on another depreciating asset…for god sake!
you can whinge about one cost but not the other, you want nice things, you will pay for it…simple. that rule hasn’t changed it’s just become more prevelant due to our hunger for more expensive items and the need to change them over more often.
i have no issues with buying expensive items, i just choose to spend more wisely when i do spend up big, a motor vehicle is simply a waste of money and to sit and whinge about a tax when many other costs eat into the ownership experience is simply silly…
Whinge about the extra personal tax, food costs and many other taxes which have far greater reach relevant impact.
i’m not telling you how to spend your ‘hard earned’ earned cash, im simply asking some to put into perspective and stop drmatising one tax over what is a luxury item, a vehicle costing over $57 grand is one type of luxury, argue all you like but that’s that the fact, purchase price is not the only defining factor.
spend $57 grand on well thought out investments and i bet you the return will be far more rewarding, then you can go waste your hard earned cash on cars that do nothing but chew your hard earned cash!
To clarify above, I’m not saying I have to live like a uni student because half my money goes to the government, I’m just saying that I shouldn’t have to live significantly below my own means by pricing what would otherwise be within my means back out of it again with more taxes. The GST is fair because it affects everyone on everything (well, it would have if it hadn’t been fettled with), so the more people buy the more tax they pay. Willy nilly tacking on more taxes on random items is bad policy. I never spend more than $50 bucks on a shirt, so would it be ok if I throw an extra 33% tax on all shirts above $50? Whats luxury to me isn’t luxury to everyone.
as i do work in the auto industry i see the buying motivation for all class of people.
I wonder what proportion of the general working population would spend $57 grand on a ‘car’ even when they have that capability?
at least home loan debt is more secure.
I love these Uni Graduates. Three years at school and the Country owes them a minimum 100k plus career and all the trappings.
Might come as a surprise but many of us uneducated/unwashed work damn hard all our lives and are not on easy street after JUST three years.LOL.
I doubt many Uni lecturers would know much about real world applications considering most of them are socialist greenies.LOL.
Money has to come from somewhere. Better we sting the battler on 50k than remove the motivation to be rich from people that can afford luxury cars.
That FAMILY FIRST IDIOT spoke to God and God said that an increase in the Luxury car tax would punish struggling Farmers and Tour company operators.LOL.
Apparently God forgot to take into account GST Rebate and tax depreciation/offset and suggested that the 50k battlers pay for the lot!LOL.
Adam, you make a fair point, but lets me honest. This tax is in no way going to reduce personal debt in this country, or make people more responsible with their money. It is there for one purpose only, to generate more revenue for the government in such a way that won’t get the entire country up in arms.
And don’t try and claim the ‘controlling inflation’ card. Taking $500mil out of a $1 trillion economy won’t even take a mosquito’s fart out of the inflationary pressures in this country.
The exploding personal debt issue is caused by many factors. A big one stems from schools simply not teaching kids any monetary common sense. Another one is how easy it is to get money these days, three weeks ago I was waylaid by one of those stupid citibank creditcard people, but because I’m a big softy and can’t openingly ignore people I ended up giving them my name and address, thinking at most they would send me some info pack that I could promptly throw away, instead I received a creditcard with a $7500 limit. At no point did I show a license or a payment statement. Now I cancelled the card immediately, but whats to stop someone with less money-smarts doing the same thing? If you’ve used instore credit, then you’d know how easy it is to get money that way. Requires the most token of checks, and no pay slips to show you actually earn what you claim you do.
And then thats exacerbated by the fact people these days seem to be set in the mindset ‘I NEED EVERYTHING I WANT NOW!!!’. If the government can stop that by educating kids, by more heavily monitoring lending, then that will achieve more for the personal debt than any half baked tax on something that is not the real cause of personal debt issues anyway.
People blaming Crudd for any down turn after such a short time in office are obviously staunch Liberal/Conservatives and would never give Labour benefit of the doubt anyway.
As u say Adam economy is cyclic and tied in with the international economy. Besides Crudd hasn’t got any legislation through yet anyway. Reserve Bank does what it does regardless.
Perhaps u should congratulate Crudd for reducing interest rates if he is responsible for the down turn?
…and another thing. If Crudd can crack the Teachers Federation and implement a merit based system for Teachers Public Education will improve vastly. I have several children in High School and the apathy of SOME of the Teachers is really very depressing. Compared to 30 years ago in my time it is really depressing!
One of my best friends is a High School Teacher and he agrees.He is one of a rare bread that has answered a calling.
I now understand the huge push to private schools.
The merit based system for schools is a good idea in my opinion, provided that it isn’t totally geared towards HSC/VCE scores as the test for teacher competency. I know plenty of people who got to uni with VCE scores of 99 and completely flunk out because they couldn’t handle not getting spoon fed information and tested on nice neat little packaged problems.
Private enterprise seen a tax/cost loop hole and introduced Alco pops for want of a better term and Crudd plugged the loop hole as any even handed government would.
Why should one type of product receive a tax advantage over all other similar products in the market.
What’s the F%%%N mystery?
Realcars, why should one ‘luxury’ product receive a tax disadvantage over all other similar products in the market?
Where’s the F%%%N logic?
Go lick a PUSSYcat, Crudd
LCT is EVIL. Im not handing over any more of my money so dole bludgers can stop buying all home brand stuff.
I earn my money, and I plan to get a BMW 3 series. Why is that any different from another car? it also has for wheels an and engine.
But wait! A BMW has something else that other cars (normal family cars) don’t have: prestige. No matter how much you deny it, you get stuck in a traffic jam in a BMW, you get more respect than if you were in a Mitsubishi.
Sorry mate. Just the way humans work. Why do we admire celebrities? Cause they can afford even bigger extravaganzas (jets, yatchs etc) Why do we all go ooh and ahh when we see a lambroghini? They have a prestigous image!
In this world, many people value prestige, especially the upper middle or affluent class.
LCT was thought up by some idot who couldn’t afford a luxury car
LikeASurgeon – your a bit of an ass aren’t you, really.. Seriously you do NOT get more respect in a traffic jam if your in a BMW, infact you will probably get rolled eyes and people cutting you off, because contray to the way YOU think humans work, AUSTRALIAN’s have this horrible thing called the tall poppy syndrome. So they will see you in your BMW, and instantly disslike you. Sorry but thats just the way it is. Do i agree with it? Fck no! i hate every bit of the tall poppy syndrome but it IS a reality, unfortunately, and the result of this reality is things like the luxury car tax.
and the labor party
Then who takes credit fo the interest rate cut? RBA? Well correct me if I am wrong but perhaps policy influences that in some way or another…(particularly when a large portion of the budget is diverted from a pointless endeavor).
Richo, I understand your point but I dont see what you propose as an alternative method. Surprise me.
I cannot fathom why the slight increase is an issue- Will this send potential customers to struggle street? Unlikely. Why doesn’t basic logic prevail?
The universal level of ignorance when it comes to politics is f*cking astounding. Thats all I have to say on the matter. By all means continue this self-serving crap, but precious few of you actually know what you are on about. Seriously, some of these comments make TP look like the Dalai Lama. Stop clutching at straws and move on with life.
However, I concede Wayne Swan’s statement is utter vomit.
Long way to go but Liberal are desperate for press. With Brendan Nelson at the helm ,desperate measures will always be taken. BTW If any of you give Piers Akerman the time of day, it is time to hang yourself.
The logic to some of these ALP units astounds me. The way you decipher events with Dudd – flies in the face of consumer confidence in Dudd and small business approval has fallen from 49% when first in to less then 10%. Its time you stand on your backbone….you all state all is good and give it more time! If you simple-tons could go back to 1983-1996 you would see the same regime as now and nothing has changed. Obviously you think all small businesses are coalition voters…..they are deserting Dudd bigtime! Your tunnel vision following of smokes and mirrors mirage man Dudd is amazing and defies gravity. Maybe he should be BRAINS off that show THE THUNDERBIRDS… means well, into formulas and experiments and mega tries to sound unreal – but short on delivery, substance and quick to point blame!
If any of you give Steven Loosely the time of day, it is time to hang yourself real well.
Oil prices fell closer to $100 today, nearly 30% below July’s peak. Petrol has come down and prices only move from 1.70lt to 1.55lt…..yet barrel drop is much lower then that small percentage drop what I see at bowser!
Yet we have pollies ducking and weaving like the man Mundine getting knocked out with a small tap jab setting up kiddies stuff in FuelWatch and GroceryWatch as real meaty nothingness like every kid will have a laptop without any fine detail on implementation of software and hardware or connection thereof. I say we set up a website….call it PollieWatch. Throw $15million at it and once a month update the comments made (which simple-tons on here who support Dudd dont know, ignore or cant fathom and are happy with that…..but then again you basic lot try to quote back. What I said is HE STOOD FOR EASING THE COST OF LIVING AND HE HAS MEGA CONTRACDICTED HIMSELF AND HE OFFERS NO IMPROVEMENT AS PUT UP WHITE FLAG = you simple-tons are happy with that) by all pollies. Twenty lies and blah blah blah and we boot them out. Lets hope the pork barrelling, fibs, kiddie behaviour in parliament and the like is exercised on the website.
DUDD’S FOUNDATION WAS TO EASE THE COST OF LIVING AND EDUCATION REVOLUTION. HE SPOKE OF THIS LIKE A BROKEN RECORD OVER AND OVER AND OVER! YET HE STATES….not much else I can do as all done. If that is good as it gets and small business deserting him from 49% when elected to now less then 10%, business confidence has fallen heaps and current account deficit markets were hoping for $100surplus which for quarter went out to a massive $710million……then I say no wonder small businesses have massively left him and his blah blah. I think he needs another summit meeting. Lets call the TWENTY08 (as opposed to crikets Twenty20) and invite hollywood stars, footballers, criketers and business and debate why it has gotten worse and how it got worse and why has businesses deserted Dudd.
You simple-tons are saying 4rate rises and 1 minor rate fall in 10months is good……yet you say Howard was bad and the performance indicators on how a government operate and manage taxpayers money is the RBA who assess events to see what to do with interest rate. The government of the day cooks the meal and the RBA digests it to ensure the people dont over inflate and over spend to keep economy at a certain level so no crash and burn. So with that thinking…..if Howard bad you would have seen massive numbers of interest rate rises! This never happened and in 11YEARS THERE WERE 10 RATE RISES. THATS LESS THEN 1 RATE RISE A YEAR…..UNDER DUDD THAT HAS GONE OUT TO 4 RATE RISES IN 10 MONTHS…….the RBA has voted on how people react to market and have adjusted rates to suit. You simple-tons are happy with that means your head is stuck really hard up a dark hole on you!
You can all waffle around in your smoke and mirrors blurb on how bad Howard left economy…….your on your own there as performance indicator to that is RBA with interest rates and there were less then 1 rate rise over 11years and under Dudd 4 rate rises in 10months. If economy was so bad as you believe….the indicators in market and RBA would of shown it up. REALITY IS IT WAS NOT BAD! I look at these factors and not your nothingness empty comments!
typo…..that less then 1 rate rise over 11yrs under Howard and 4 rate rises in 10months under Dudd. So yes markets are wrong if listen to all you doom and gloom Howard bashers – if Howard increased deficit and left it in such a bad state as you fairies dream how come then next to minimal rate rises during those 11yrs….DONT THINK SO! FOOLS!
less then 1 rate rise per year over 11years VERSUS 4 rate rises over 10months. yes the sea saw is level….NOT!
Hit a sore point again by attacking your Liber-angels?
THE INTEREST RATES SKYROCKETED TOWARDS THE END DESPITE THE RESOURCES BOOM- WHICH IS WHY WE WERE AFLOAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Of course rates will still escalate at the start of a new tenure ,such was the momentum of Liberal’s failure.
If Howard came back in, rates would continue to rise and rise and rise! They did NOTHING in the last few terms.
Just because you want to make ridiculously drawn out statements in the face of more concise ones doesn’t make me a simpleton. And bringing up the distant past (1980s) has WHAT relevance? Clutching at straws.
Rudd hasn’t lived up to ALL of his promises but it’s a major step in the right direction. I’ve never read a more long winded piece of crap.
Eagle….NEVER SEEN SUCH BS DELUSIONAL COMMENTS IN MY LIFE. YOUR FULL OF IT AND LIVE IN A DREAM!
You have not provided anything at table of merit other then attack me for no reason….this makes you an ill-informed simpleton and displays your lack of depth on issue other then your gut feeling. Back to drawing board budgie boy!
Obviously your comment of skyrocketting interest rates under Howard towards end of his tenure are delusional…. again deal with reality (and not my views) and simply look at graph of when interest rate rises occurred on a time scale – as you have ALP on brain which clouds your recall and your smoke and mirrors answers warrant a dummy spit! Think you better pick up your dummy as belongs on you… LMAO massive at you!
LMAO at such a tiny irrelant nothing comment. If thats as good as you get……give up as you will have smoke coming out your ears from responding clearly and at issue at hand backed up with facts! LOL your dumber then thought! Ha Ha Ha
You want to lecture me about relevance? You have turned a blog about LCT into ‘The History of Labor’s Wrongs’ . And look how happy with yourself you are!
There’s no avoiding the basics I brought up earlier, all you have done is descended into details and non-sequotars in a desperate attempt to fluff your cause.Theres no avoiding the cold hard basics, which you fail to take on board.Howard went stale, Rudd was and is a slightly better alternative.It’s a no-brainer.
Why proceed when you are clearly on a smug agenda to spiel your views for all to see.
You have the issue at hand alright, maybe consider switching hands, or turn off the computer and go get laid.
Ill informed? You carry on like the crux of my statements was to attack your credibility, when there was like a sentence or two dedicated to that. You on the other hand resorted to that tactic fairly quickly.
To say I brought nothing to the table is to say ‘IM TOO BUSY THROTTLING MYSELF TO SEE THE BASIC COLD HARD FACTS.’
No the economy was not BAD, but what an ambiguous statement. It was surviving on the weight of our resources prosperity, which Howard was determined to sell us out to China. Like he sold us out with Telstra. GST makes the proposed LCT increase look like chicken feed, particularly when you consider how skewed taxation benefits were skewed towards the high end of town. If Howard stuck around ,it was only a matter of time the economy would start to crumble under his indolence.
Oh wait, the crumbling already started WHEN HE WAS IN OFFICE!
When you want to lift the bar and display so acumen when it comes to your recall…let me know. Your gut feeling is smoke and mirrors and interspersed with innuendo and hoopla. Mate, the bar is set at ankle level….you keep knocking it off. I suggest you go get laid as might f*** some sense into your gut feeling on events you shadily recall! Give yourself a long spell….you might come good! LOL HA HA HA HA……..who cares for your drivel you pupport as being points you raised. The only thing you espouse is enough hot air to fill up a balloon you baboon!
HA HA. I will leave you to make a fool of yourself and your gut feeling. Would know if your ar** is on fire cobber as your recall recks of amnesia and not words spoken by pollies as your “own” gut feeling views!
oH….and you might want to encourage better responses by leaving your twisted gut feeling out of it and deal with facts. Like massive overdose of it! You might just get the comments back that you seek!
NM, Crudd hasn’t done anything to affect interest rates yet! THE SENATE HAS ONLY BEEN BACK A WEEK!
Talk about fair well u can argue that GST has screwed average income earners far harder than any LCT might their Higher income counterparts.
Lets be honest Howard really screwed the be jesus out of the average punter and then capped it of with Work choices to really give rogue employers out there the power to make the workers life a misery.Even workers with no union leanings realised they were being screwed.LOL
AWA WHAT A JOKE.
A drovers dog would have beaten Howard at the last election!LOL.
This could actually be a blessing in disguise because The fact that the Labor party are planning to re-introduce Mr Sheens LCT proposal to parliament nas early as next week after it was rejected by the senate just a couple of days ago indicates that its an important part of their mandate and is something the gummintt are going to keep pushing
However; if it gets rejected again [and maybe even for a third time] Mr Sheen may decide that he is unable work effectively with the current parliament and declare a “double disolution.”
Even though only half the senat seats would be up for grabs and its the senate where he is experiencing problems
This would mean yet another election which would give us the chance to get rid of him and his numerous committees
NM:That just proves what a smug you truly are, believing your own hype and that only your comments hold any substance. Despite the fact you are recycling things (ala Dingo) not only you said earlier but my own comments. It’s all well and good to diss my political acumen but you don’t say much to back it up. Keep stroking though, you are almost at the vinegar stroke, little .