Agree, rotories cant be compared to piston engines, its a whole different engine design and plus if Honda/BMW decided to make a rotory no doubt it can match if not better.

Just recalling the past, after sitting in a workshop hearing an S2k and then a TegType R on the dyno, the engine scream when vtec kicks in give you goosebumps.

If we are going down the route of fallacious comparisons, tell me, what’s the real world fuel economy of the RX-8 these days compared to a Honda Vtec? ;)

Very impressive!….for a washing machine motor :)

Having also driven an S2000, I suggest that you would equally be impartial to the Vtec scream at 9,000rpm. It sounds like a mini-F1 engine!

If you get a chance, beg / hire / steal an S2000, get the roof down, drive in a long tunnel, drop the gearbox back a gear or two and hit 9,000 revs – (multiple) orgasmic noises and excitement guaranteed … lol!

Acilk, it wouldn’t surprise me. Honda have always had an enviable reputation of squeezing ridiculous amounts of power from a naturally aspirated engine. I can’t wait to see what Honda can doe with a large capacity, V10 engine.

The Honda fat cats have given a direction to their worker bees that the new Honda V10 must be faster around the Ring than the GT-R, so I suspect it will need every one of those 450 killer wasps! Maybe even more when the V-spec GT-R hits the scene!

I must admit I think the little 2.0 litre from Honda is the fastest normally aspirated production engine in the world,no worries about that! Maybe I a little impartial to the scream of the inline six at 7500,orgasmic noise ,my fiance Wheelnut thinks its almost a better noise than I make when I get that excited and bounce of the revlimiter….hahaha

If Wheelnut is in fact talking about horses, perhaps the reference should have been to the equine family rather than to the wasp family ;)

Don’t get me wrong – I think BMW make some sensational engines e.g. the twin turbo in the 135i and 335i that produce maximum torque of 400nm … from 1,300rpm!

However, when it comes to power per litre from a naturally aspirated engine, I think Honda are just as good as (if not better) than BMW. As far as I am aware, no 2 litre NA BMW engine produces anywhere near 176kW.

Another case in example: the BMW M5 produces 373kW from 5 litres of V10 goodness. Honda’s new supercar is rumoured to also pack a 5 litre V10 that is expected to pump out over 400kW. Going by Honda’s history of engine efficiency, I have little reason to doubt that!

You telling me BMW you cant find 1400 people in the world to buy the latest E92 M3? Thats all you sold of the E46 M3 !

“Is there any other car company that is able to match Ms ability of getting approx 100 killer wasps per Litre out of their engines yet retain the refinement and precision”

Unless I’m mistaken, the M3’s 4 litre engine outputs around 309kW, thereby producing approximately 77 killer wasps per litre ;)

In the power per litre race, Honda has been matching (and exceeding) the M division for quite some time e.g. S2000 – 176kW from 2 litres = 88kW per litre of refined and precise engine!

Not to mention the Ferrari F430 Scuderia’s 380kW 4.3 litre gem of an engine …

If you have the money and your not into 100% performance but into comfort refinement as well and not wanting a car that sticks out then this is perfect.

I was looking at one myself, a nice E46 one…

…a platform to go up the spots on the Nurburgring!

Not only that but BMW have the resources & the technology to take on any challenge should it arise…. which the have over the years; and BMW have won.

Is there any other car company that is able to match Ms ability of getting approx 100 killer wasps per Litre out of their engines yet retain the refinement and precision