For a man to buy a people mover its a case of surrendering your manhood for a while. But to buy a Kia people mover is to have your nuts removed and put in a jar for all to see.
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Off ya go then head to a more politically correct country where you can display your nuts in a jar with pride.
hahahah. Well said. Its funny because it’s true!
By the time you have spawned enough sub-humans to fill this Partridge-Family-Mobile, safe bet you surrended your nuts a long time ago to the walking womb-machine.
Petrol at $1.40/L? Been $1.55/L in Newcastle for a couple of weeks.
Seen plenty of drivers racing these away from the lights, must go alright without the family weighing it down lol
so this is a new petrol? that won’t blow up at 60000k and cost families $8000 to repair? what ever happened to the class action suit against kia for selling the old carnivals with the lemon motors?
Those Carnival engine issues with the old Rover engine are long gone. Yes, it was clear that engine was poorly designed (it was a Rover engine not a Kia engine, but that’s irrelevant) – there’s a reason why Kia gives 5 year unlimited km warranty, to dispel any doubt about reliability. The current Carnival has been out since 2006 and we have not had a single complaint about the model.
The engine was not built by Rover.
Rover design, not built.
The the issues with the engine have nothing to do with Rover. And more to with how they were built and secondly how Kia responded to issues. Korean cars may be improving but they have a long way to go… Have a look at the interior of this bus… dull grey plastic everywhere…
Uhm, this is an aged model on its last legs.
Head to head, Kias have better interiors than Toyotas – aside from the minivan segment.
Yes, Hyundai and Kia absolutely haven’t seen a rise in reliability as they have gone away from components supplied by Mitsu and Mazda respectively.
Any place (almost) is better than the inside a of a Toyota… I am sure Toyota only buy one colour of vinyl.
The KV6 engine made by Kia had porous cylinder blocks.
That’s a manufacturing fault, not a design fault.
That was before Hyundai bought Kia out. The old motors were a Rover design. I’m not saying what happened was OK but there is a clear line in the sand that post 2006 Carnivals have Hyundai mechanicals and are generally pretty reliable.
My KIA Carnical Classic is around 10 years old and the engine failed on me, has done only 58k km.
I pushed and pushed and after 3 weeks got KIA to agree to pay half the costs of changing the engine, car is in excellant condition as it is only used for long trips so wanted to keep it.
All I will say is a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do… and if that means buying a hulking piece of Korea to move the clan around, so be it.
Just make sure you upgrade before the 5 years are up…. expensive things tend go wrong with these cars!!!
I did post that a certain part of the car that keeps the climate of the interior comfortable may be perhaps a tad unreliable and possibly expensive to replace…
however the post never made it past the umpire.
I shall remain unspecific, but I will say this – you get an awful lot of bang for your buck but there are good reasons Carnivals are affordable.
The koreans sell cars because they give people what they want, Want a diesel carnival? Sure, Want a diesel territory? That will be a 7 year wait sir!.
calm down, carnival her been around longer then territory i think…. they took about the same time to introduce diesel…… back to you’re diesel “sports” car
No. The Carnival was released in 2006, whereas the territory had a two year head start.
this Shape was released in 2006 (yet no one is screaming that it is to old and out dated like there was with the Territory (even though it was best seller by choice not price), Carnival has been with us since 1999….
I’d still take the petrol 3.5 V6 with 205 killer wasps over the diesel because:
– The petrol has heaps of power. It literally slaughtered a 2011 Merc ML350CDi running flat out trying to get away up the steep western Adelaide freeway billowing out tons of black diesel smoke.
– The diesel feels like a V8 at 1000 RPM. But at higher RPMs it feels like a 3 cyl car.
And that’s without mentioning about the clattering noise and $$ of the diesel.
Since when have they had freeways in Adelaide?
2005. they had to choose between a freeway or electricity lol
I so wanna put the pedant hat on (as usual) and ask what a “liter” is, but I’m not going to stoop that low again…
I wouldn’t be caught dead in one of these… owning one of these classifies as ‘social suicide’.
owners have already done that by having enough kids to require it lol
You’ll go to hell for that comment.
i was already on the way, its just the level that is yet to be determined
Social suicide, really? Are you a 16 year old highschool girl?
I’m a girl, but not quite highschool age If you’re up to date with your 16 year old highschool girl culture you’ll notice my username is a reference to Gossip Girl. xoxo
If a vehicle can cause you social death, then I think you need to take a good hard look at the trivial, insecure, and superficial social circles you move in. Its not the car thats the problem. Its your total lack of self esteem that makes you so vulnerable to the opinions of the cretins that surround you.
Your “friends” associate with you because of what you drive? That says a lot about you and your friends and nothing about the Carnival!
I have a friend who traded his SS Commodore in on one of these (the V6 not the diesel) because he preferred the way it drove and couldn’t overlook the practical aspects and yes, he has a couple of kids. At about fifty four thousand for the absolute top of the range model, the Carnival is easily twenty grand cheaper than the other ‘soccer mum’ car the Prado!
I find it interesting that motoring journalists are starting to argue the case against buying a diesel; sure diesels have some advantages e.g. they [are supposed to] use a bit less fuel and last longer than a petrol but do these two points really out way the more frequent and more expensive servicing, that horrible rattle at idle and a higher initial purchase price?
Not all diesels have to be serviced more frequently than their petrol equivalent, in fact most diesels these days have exactly the same service intervals. Many of them don’t even cost much more to service, if at all.
Maybe the “more accessible everyday performance” of the diesel out”weighs” that of some of the equivalent petrol powered vehicle.
You make some good points and I stand corrected – that will teach me to generalize when posting comments. The Discovery 3 for example has 20K service intervals (this is one of the few diesels that I am familiar with) my father-in-law’s Patrol however always seems to be going in for it’s next service. I test drove a diesel X5 a couple of months ago and it was beautiful! I couldn’t tell it was a diesel from inside the cabin but that seems to be the exception rather than the rule; I have test driven several Pajeros over the last ten years or so but have never bought one because of the amount of engine noise inside the vehicle. Maybe the diesels are getting better over time…
My olds and my sister & her husband have a Santa Fe with this diesel in it, can’t tell its a diesel from inside either, the tractor impersonations are a thing of the past
….and I have a Sportage with it. Awesome motor. The petrol variant feels underpowered by comparison.
When you are looking for a car for your self, your dignity comes in and you follow your heart.
But when you are looking for a people mover for your 6 or 7 members of your family, your dignity or your ego needs to go out of the window and you should follow your head.
Remember that next time if any of you are getting people mover next time.
I guess it is one of the reason why many people bought 8 seater 4WD and use it as people mover. They still have dignity by driving those big cars.
Let me get this straight. If you purchase a people-mover you’re legally declared dead. No wonder people are purchasing *slight retch* SUV’s instead.
Petrol version’s official consumption figure is highly conservative..I can assure u that under normal driving conditions considering current traffic conditions,vehicle weight especially under load and start stop motoring you will be guaranteed at least a consumption of about 15l/100km.
I would take Korean numbers for power & consumption with a grain of salt..
The 3.8L Genesis V6 is rated at 325Hp, but is slower then Aurion 3.5L V6 from 0-100.. Let alone IS350
Yeah, there’s a test on YouTube which compares the V6 Rav4 to the V6 3.8 Genesis sedan at higher altitude and the Rav4 was faster to 60mph (100 Km/h)
Check this out; TOYOTA AURION vs Genesis!
Yes, b/c the Genesis isn’t a bigger, heavier vehicle.
I guess we should ignore all the testers who have timed the 5.0 Genesis as quick as the BMW 550i.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. The Carnival only dominates the market because manufacturers believe that Australians only want SUVs. Hence, we (sadly) miss out on many stylish people movers available in Europe like the Opel Zafira, Ford S-Max/Galaxy, Peugeot 5008, Chevrolet Orlando (the best looking Daewoo yet) and the VW Touran.
The reason why they don’t is that the people mover pie is very small. The more people going for slices of it means that everyone gets less. Resulting in you the consumer buying a vehicle with the high probability of ending up an orphan without resale value, just what the oversized family wants. Why do you think Hyundai pulled its direct competitor (the Traget) from the market? Not enough profit to keep it viable.
The reason why this thing does so well on the market is on price alone. It’s competition is several thousands more. Basically an unsurmountable hurdle for the larger family.. The difference is in the used car market where Torago is King. ex rental & govco fleet Torago’s are the sought after vehicle and Carnivals are close to poison…
My point though is that people with 4 kids who are looking for something stylish have virtually nothing on offer, and begrudgingly end up with a SUV. Put a few of the above models into the market and watch them steal sales from the SUVs.
Toyota Sienna pwns all those IMO
Big families are more common in the USA. In Australia the average family is 2 point something kids. In Europe it is under 2. We don’t get much choice because there isn’t much demand.
Had to laugh,
“It’s rare to come across a vehicle that dominates its segment so casually”
Ummm Commodore? Corolla? Camry? 911? Hilux? Caprice? Getz?
Yup rare as……
You didn’t mention one example that dominates its segment so casually (as of this moment). Point still stands lol
I am really looking fwd to seeing what KIA come up with design wise with the next model. This one isn’t very pretty but being Australia’s top selling People Mover it gets the job done.
The main issue with the update will be price no doubt, but they have miles of room before they catch up to the grossly overpriced Tarago!
Hideous. The only word to describe it.
Hi There, The car tyres are really big and heavy to move about especially when you want to change a flat tyre. Would it not be really helpful to have tyre pressure sensors to help avert a flat tyre early and get it fixed as sooon as possible without having to change it myself? I now of one owner who has sought that solution out on his Carnival with wireless pressure valves fitted on the tyres and the
tyre pressures readable from the console in the cabin.
whats the safety rating of this horrid thing? Since you are putting all yr sprog in it??
what safety rating ? its a brick on wheels
Actually, it has a four star rating which means it is in the top end of the acceptable safety bracket. Not sure that it maters that much for those swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool.
OK they are all ugly but if you need a people mover you need one. I agree with someone else’s comment that the choices here in Oz are not great. So, I’m down to Kia, VW van (YUCK!), or Tarago – also yuck. Currently drive chrysler voyager so am over the image issues but I need a new car and am not sure I want to go with chrysler again. Anyone got advice?
If you like traction & sadfety, and are not fussed on massive room, go the Tribeca.
You have already mentioned looks are not an issue….
Thanks, but I need the room….
There is no ANCAP safety rating for this vehicle. The 2006 model was a four star; so those who are commenting on it being a four star are even lower than the bottom of the gene pool.
I had a 2005 Kia carnival got services all time. And had it for 6 years motor gone rang Kia nothing that can do to help me not happy I am a single mum with 2 and strangling. Kia can’t help 8000 for motor and to get put in more. No no car. Will never get a Kia of any kind.
Hi all I have a Kia RIO , CARNIVAL PLATINUM DIESEL, K2900 TRUCK & Iam very HAPPY with all the KIA’s plus there is also 2 Rolls and a Merc in the stable and for towing there is also a NISSAN PATHFINDER V6 DIESEL
Unfortunately no curtain airbags in the 3rd row, so cross it off your list.