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		<title>By: Alex II</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MatthewM

I had a quick look at my post and I couldn&#039;t see where I mentioned average.  It is the lowest people could pay for petrol in Perth on that particular day and that is the point.  If you live in Perth you can look for the lowest price on a particular day, average price is just confusing the issue.</description>
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<p>I had a quick look at my post and I couldn&#8217;t see where I mentioned average.  It is the lowest people could pay for petrol in Perth on that particular day and that is the point.  If you live in Perth you can look for the lowest price on a particular day, average price is just confusing the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/15602/fuelwatch-scheme-could-be-killed-off/#comment-89195</link>
		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuel watch,who cares,up in the hills unless you drive 30 mins to find another servo that has 98 you only have one choice BP!!There is Gull but no thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuel watch,who cares,up in the hills unless you drive 30 mins to find another servo that has 98 you only have one choice BP!!There is Gull but no thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/15602/fuelwatch-scheme-could-be-killed-off/#comment-89187</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Motormouth doesn&#039;t show the prices a day in advance, but anyone with half an idea can tell you what it will be.

The regularity of the cycle is extemely predictable.

In SA you just fill up on the way home Tuesday or the on the way to work Wednesday and you&#039;ll be getting pretty much the best deal, week in week out.

That obviously doesn&#039;t happen in WA anymore because Fuelwatch has stiffled the regu.arity of the cycle.

You see we just don&#039;t need Fuelwatch, nor the additional administration expense that it will bring.
It WILL COST the average SA driver at least 5 cpl MORE to have the Fuelwatch scam implemented.

And yes it IS a discount cycle because it is a discount on the terminal gate price, which is arguably over inflated to enable the discounts - but what commodity isn&#039;t. Anything that you buy on a &quot;discounted special&quot; obviously has the margin built-in to cover any discounts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Motormouth doesn&#8217;t show the prices a day in advance, but anyone with half an idea can tell you what it will be.</p>
<p>The regularity of the cycle is extemely predictable.</p>
<p>In SA you just fill up on the way home Tuesday or the on the way to work Wednesday and you&#8217;ll be getting pretty much the best deal, week in week out.</p>
<p>That obviously doesn&#8217;t happen in WA anymore because Fuelwatch has stiffled the regu.arity of the cycle.</p>
<p>You see we just don&#8217;t need Fuelwatch, nor the additional administration expense that it will bring.<br />
It WILL COST the average SA driver at least 5 cpl MORE to have the Fuelwatch scam implemented.</p>
<p>And yes it IS a discount cycle because it is a discount on the terminal gate price, which is arguably over inflated to enable the discounts &#8211; but what commodity isn&#8217;t. Anything that you buy on a &#8220;discounted special&#8221; obviously has the margin built-in to cover any discounts.</p>
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		<title>By: RoFlmaTiC</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/15602/fuelwatch-scheme-could-be-killed-off/#comment-89158</link>
		<dc:creator>RoFlmaTiC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Motormouth doesn&#039;t show the prices a day in advance though does it?

I wonder where the phrase &quot;discount price cycle&quot; actually came from. It&#039;s a crock if you ask me, more like price hike cycle :P I don&#039;t see how these weekly/fortnightly price hikes are justified at all, except as a flexing of the power of the petrol market giants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Motormouth doesn&#8217;t show the prices a day in advance though does it?</p>
<p>I wonder where the phrase &#8220;discount price cycle&#8221; actually came from. It&#8217;s a crock if you ask me, more like price hike cycle <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  I don&#8217;t see how these weekly/fortnightly price hikes are justified at all, except as a flexing of the power of the petrol market giants.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 03:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minnow,
Motormouth can tell you the same information, not just the cheapest single station in the city, and it works around Australia.
Is the e-mail service free? For the rest of Australia, Motormouth is.

The discountcycle argument is very valid. I hope that you can see the graph in this link (without being a registered user):

motormouth . com . au/newsletters/0807.htm

Clearly whilst Perth may have a lower monthly &quot;average&quot; price, anyone who utilises the real discount cycle elsewhere in Australia will be buying cheaper petrol.

The graph also clearly shows that Perth is the only state not to have a genuine weekly discount cycle, and it can only be attributed to Fuelwatch.

BTW did you know that &quot;Motormouth&quot; was originally called &quot;Fuelwatch&quot; (but I don&#039;t know who used the title first).

So pretty much as far as the the rest of the country goes Perth can keep fuelwatch, we don&#039;t need the extra cost burdon that it WILL cause us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minnow,<br />
Motormouth can tell you the same information, not just the cheapest single station in the city, and it works around Australia.<br />
Is the e-mail service free? For the rest of Australia, Motormouth is.</p>
<p>The discountcycle argument is very valid. I hope that you can see the graph in this link (without being a registered user):</p>
<p>motormouth . com . au/newsletters/0807.htm</p>
<p>Clearly whilst Perth may have a lower monthly &#8220;average&#8221; price, anyone who utilises the real discount cycle elsewhere in Australia will be buying cheaper petrol.</p>
<p>The graph also clearly shows that Perth is the only state not to have a genuine weekly discount cycle, and it can only be attributed to Fuelwatch.</p>
<p>BTW did you know that &#8220;Motormouth&#8221; was originally called &#8220;Fuelwatch&#8221; (but I don&#8217;t know who used the title first).</p>
<p>So pretty much as far as the the rest of the country goes Perth can keep fuelwatch, we don&#8217;t need the extra cost burdon that it WILL cause us.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact is, in Perth fuelwatch is a non-issue.  Both sides of politics like it, so hopefully it will stay here for awhile.  Most people here like it, or don&#039;t care.  Never met anyone who hated it, unlike Daylight savings...

Not sure, but didn&#039;t Perth used to have the most expensive petrol?  Not so now...

Naughtyius Maxiumus do you watch a lot of channel 7 by any chance??  You sound just like that chick on Today Tonight.  Howard put us in this mess with rising inflation and interest rates.  It&#039;s only now starting to turn around.

Anyways, good to see there a lots of points of views here.  Freedom of speech at work!

Cheer,

Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact is, in Perth fuelwatch is a non-issue.  Both sides of politics like it, so hopefully it will stay here for awhile.  Most people here like it, or don&#8217;t care.  Never met anyone who hated it, unlike Daylight savings&#8230;</p>
<p>Not sure, but didn&#8217;t Perth used to have the most expensive petrol?  Not so now&#8230;</p>
<p>Naughtyius Maxiumus do you watch a lot of channel 7 by any chance??  You sound just like that chick on Today Tonight.  Howard put us in this mess with rising inflation and interest rates.  It&#8217;s only now starting to turn around.</p>
<p>Anyways, good to see there a lots of points of views here.  Freedom of speech at work!</p>
<p>Cheer,</p>
<p>Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use their email service every day, I can select which suburbs which i travel through/live and it tells me which one has the cheapest fuel for the day. How can that be so bad? All the other services tell me just where the cheapest fuel station is. Like if i live in rockingham (south), its no use to me telling me the cheapest fuel station is in bloody joondalup (north), then i have to drive out of my way just to save 2c a litre, defeating the purpose of buying at the cheapest fuel station. It all comes down to the definition of perfect competition, one key factor is perfect information where everyone has perfect knowledge of prices everywhere. Fuelwatch does just that. For example tomorrow i know the where cheapest fuel on my route to and from work is;140.8 , sure there are cheaper fuel stations, but why should i drive extra km&#039;s out of my way using more fuel.

The argument of the price cycle is really clutching at straws arguement. We still have a price cycle here in perth, its cheapest to buy on tuesday, i paid 141.3@ peak yesterday then take a 4c discount off that with a IGA discount... yes Independents are now fighting back.

Nautilus Maximus, please... stop chanting silly anti government messages, no matter who gets voted in there will be whingers, i mean i can tell you during the howard government the CPI was calculated without petrol and LCD TV&#039;s were substituted in as LCD&#039;s were dropping and petrol was rising. The logic behind it is simple, but do you buy a LCD tv everyday as part of your daily shop? The effect was a lower inflation figure that the RBA then uses, to determine whether to increase or decrease rates each month... please dont copy what today tonight and current affairs say. All governments screw around with the figures to suit their agenda, some more so than others. Probably only 5% of the population know whats going on, the others listen to the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use their email service every day, I can select which suburbs which i travel through/live and it tells me which one has the cheapest fuel for the day. How can that be so bad? All the other services tell me just where the cheapest fuel station is. Like if i live in rockingham (south), its no use to me telling me the cheapest fuel station is in bloody joondalup (north), then i have to drive out of my way just to save 2c a litre, defeating the purpose of buying at the cheapest fuel station. It all comes down to the definition of perfect competition, one key factor is perfect information where everyone has perfect knowledge of prices everywhere. Fuelwatch does just that. For example tomorrow i know the where cheapest fuel on my route to and from work is;140.8 , sure there are cheaper fuel stations, but why should i drive extra km&#8217;s out of my way using more fuel.</p>
<p>The argument of the price cycle is really clutching at straws arguement. We still have a price cycle here in perth, its cheapest to buy on tuesday, i paid 141.3@ peak yesterday then take a 4c discount off that with a IGA discount&#8230; yes Independents are now fighting back.</p>
<p>Nautilus Maximus, please&#8230; stop chanting silly anti government messages, no matter who gets voted in there will be whingers, i mean i can tell you during the howard government the CPI was calculated without petrol and LCD TV&#8217;s were substituted in as LCD&#8217;s were dropping and petrol was rising. The logic behind it is simple, but do you buy a LCD tv everyday as part of your daily shop? The effect was a lower inflation figure that the RBA then uses, to determine whether to increase or decrease rates each month&#8230; please dont copy what today tonight and current affairs say. All governments screw around with the figures to suit their agenda, some more so than others. Probably only 5% of the population know whats going on, the others listen to the news.</p>
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		<title>By: RoFlmaTiC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoFlmaTiC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think so MatthewM, not if you check out:

www . fuelwatch . wa . gov . au

Without the spaces obviously. It reports todays perth average to be 144.4

Might be a good site to have a look at if you&#039;ve never seen it before.

Though comparing prices interstate isn&#039;t a fair comparison as there are different transport costs. Isn&#039;t all our oil shipped from Singapore? Which would make Perth a little closer and this could also be a factor in the lower average price here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think so MatthewM, not if you check out:</p>
<p>www . fuelwatch . wa . gov . au</p>
<p>Without the spaces obviously. It reports todays perth average to be 144.4</p>
<p>Might be a good site to have a look at if you&#8217;ve never seen it before.</p>
<p>Though comparing prices interstate isn&#8217;t a fair comparison as there are different transport costs. Isn&#8217;t all our oil shipped from Singapore? Which would make Perth a little closer and this could also be a factor in the lower average price here.</p>
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		<title>By: MatthewM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MatthewM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex II, 

That&#039;s odd -- motormouth reports that Perth has an average price of 153 while Sydney has an average price of 152.5. Cheaper than Perth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex II, </p>
<p>That&#8217;s odd &#8212; motormouth reports that Perth has an average price of 153 while Sydney has an average price of 152.5. Cheaper than Perth!</p>
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		<title>By: average joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>average joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, back on the topic of fuelwatch...

Seems that if everyone in perth (or at least both sides of parliment) are supporting it&#039;s continuation, there must be some benefits to it.  So worth giving it a go on the east coast - if it doesn&#039;t work, scrap it.

Personally I like having to work out which day of the week to buy petrol on, but I understand that it gives people who need to save money the oppportunity to do so.  So bit of trade off there.

However, as it&#039;s the only industry I can think of that has a &quot;discount cycle&quot;, it just seems inherently dodgy to me. So anything to make pricing more transparent, seems like a good idea.  Even if I end up paying an extra cent or two overall, I don&#039;t *feel* like I&#039;m being ripped off as much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, back on the topic of fuelwatch&#8230;</p>
<p>Seems that if everyone in perth (or at least both sides of parliment) are supporting it&#8217;s continuation, there must be some benefits to it.  So worth giving it a go on the east coast &#8211; if it doesn&#8217;t work, scrap it.</p>
<p>Personally I like having to work out which day of the week to buy petrol on, but I understand that it gives people who need to save money the oppportunity to do so.  So bit of trade off there.</p>
<p>However, as it&#8217;s the only industry I can think of that has a &#8220;discount cycle&#8221;, it just seems inherently dodgy to me. So anything to make pricing more transparent, seems like a good idea.  Even if I end up paying an extra cent or two overall, I don&#8217;t *feel* like I&#8217;m being ripped off as much.</p>
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