LPG Holden Commodore now only $400 more
13 Aug, 2008
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Holden has given one strong reason for growing Australian families to stick with the Commodore as the family car. The company announced last week that all private customers can now purchase dual fuel LPG-powered Holden Commodores for only $400 more than their petrol equivalents.
Effectively this means Holden has reduced the recommended retail pricing on all its new LPG Commodores by $1500. The total cost includes the Federal Government’s current rebate of $2000.
“Holden has always been committed to providing vehicles that enable Australian families to enjoy spacious, safe and comfortable motoring at a price within their reach. As rising petrol prices continue to put pressure on all motorists, LPG offers an affordable solution that is already widely available. It gives motorists access to large car benefits at small car fuel costs.” GM Holden Chairman and Managing Director, Mark Reuss said.
The three sedan models available include the Commodore Omega, Berlina and 60th Anniversary. All three have their LPG system price reduced from $3900 to $2400.
Meanwhile there is an equivalent price drop from $4900 to $3400 for VE Omega ute (auto only). Potential buyers in Western Australia also benefit from the States additional $1,000 subsidy.
Holden quotes fuel economy figures of around 15.5 litres per 100km for the Dual-fuel Omega and Berlina sedan and 15.7 litres for Omega ute.
Seems like a lot? Consider that LPG costs around $0.63 a litre and unleaded petrol comes in at around $1.45. Holden claims a typical motorist covering 20,000kms annually would recoup the initial $400 outlay on an LPG Commodore sedan in just four months, and the $1400 on a LPG Ute in less than a year.
Not much power is lost with LPG models either, with the LPG powered sedans producing 175 kW @ 6000 rpm (petrol 180 kW @ 6000 rpm) while torque comes in at a healthy 325 Nm @ 2600 rpm (petrol 330 Nm @ 2600 rpm).
Using two separate tanks, the dual fuel option on the sedan includes the 73 litre cylindrical LPG tank (located under the parcel shelf in the boot) whilst the ute receives a slightly larger 74 litre cylindrical tank. The regular 73 litre petrol tank still remains on both variants allowing a significantly increased “distance to empty” per cycle.
Buyers are also assured the LPG kits fitted to the cars by Holden are covered by the company’s three-year/100,000km new vehicle warranty, having undergone extensive safety and crash tests.
There is no significant difference in specification between the petrol and LPG models either. The main difference is the minor increase in service costs, with an LPG vapour filter needing replacement every 15,000 kms, and a liquid filter every 120,000 kms.
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Omega LPG |
Omega Ute |
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auto |
auto |
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From Sept 1 |
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| Petrol RRP - post Aug 1 |
36,790 |
28,990 |
| LPG option - post Aug 1 |
2,400 |
3,400 |
| Less Federal Gov’t Rebate (private buyers) |
2,000 |
2,000 |
| LPG option less rebates |
400 |
1,400 |
| Cost to private buyers after rebate |
$37,190 plus on road costs |
$30,390 plus on road costs |
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| Western Australia only: |
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| WA Govt Rebates (private buyers) |
1,000 |
1,000 |
| Cost to WA private buyers after rebates |
$36,190 plus on road costs |
$29,390 plus on road costs |
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August 13th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Now all u have to do is make the 5speed auto standard and u will be on a winner.
Shame though because most buyers will probably never hear about this option.
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August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
They want to start living in 2008 and bring out 5sp or 6sp manual…..I hate the rolly polly lunging forward of my BF Falcon LPG ute and detest the 4sp auto in it! These car makers really want to lift the bar and compete with Toyota and really bite bullet to do that! NO WONDER TOYOTA IS WHERE IT IS……………Ford average and Holden similar!
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August 13th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
………..and what is the ancient look of putting tank in boot. Rejig car to mount underneath as looks an eyesore and takes up storage space! Its 2008 guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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August 13th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
If it was available on the SV6 I’d buy one. Unfortunately I couldn’t live with the 4 speed auto on Omega and Berlina.
Good on Holden for making it a viable option.
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August 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Dig the wonky selector switch. Ewww. Details such as that and the giant silver thing in the boot still smack of cottage industry, but it’s a real deal on the money side of things.
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August 13th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Good work Holden. If only it was as good as the previous Commodore.
Hmm, sad to say it but the I would still spend the extra coin and go for a Egas Falcon.
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August 13th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Wouldn’t be surprised if Aurion outsold both eventually. Holden and Ford just don’t get it!
Aurion has more detail in base model and sharper kw and 6speed auto stock. I know RWD is better and dynamics are better but Joe average mostly wants something that looks the part in his driveway without adding another 20 grand for a g or calais option or whatever. With a bit of cunning should be taking sales from mazda 6, Accord Euro etc etc etc.
Ford and Holden u should have a look at these cars as they offer the new car pizzaz at every level.
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August 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
4speed auto and 180kws will not sell don’t u get it u idiots. Cost u nothing to upgrade and they will actually sell u idiots.Do the Jap thing and keep the mechanicals across the range and more glamour for the base model and u will win sales from mid size four class.
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August 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pm
i dunno Realcars, those “idiots” have been making australia’s best selling large car for quite some time, despite 180kw and 4 speed…
Was reading some incredible stuff in todays motor mag. The chevvy comaro with the new direct injected V6 and 6 speed auto from the upcoming VF commodore acheive fuel economy of just 9.0l per 100km, which is better then a 4cyl camry, and the 6.0ltr V8 with displacement on demand an astonishing 11.0ltr pwer 100km!
We don’t know yet if the DI V6 and six speed will be put into all commodores yet, but IF it is, my goodness ford and toyota will have a handfull marketing their cars against the most powerful naturally aspirated V6 in class AS WELL AS the most fuel efficient. And also a V8 using just 11.0l per 100km? THATS BETTER THEN MY TL V6 MAGNA!!!
And the comaro weighs just 40kg less then the VE commodore, so its not like the savings are made with dramatically less weight.
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August 13th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
also the direct injection V6 in the comaro has 224kw and 370nm in torque, making it the most powerful aussie 6 my a fair margin, but it will still trail the ford straight six in terms of torque
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August 13th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
naturally aspirated six obviously, before someone jumps down my throat about the XR6 turbo!
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August 13th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Richo,
and by the time it gets here, do you not think other manufacturers would have improved too??
also toyota already market their aurion as the most powerfull and most economical, yet holden can still outsell them with their underpowered fuel guzzling clunky 4 speeded unit……..
Jimbo,
you wont have to fork out extra coin to opt for the E-Gas falcon, because once you factor in the $1000 government grant as with the commodore,
the E-Gas is still cheaper…….
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August 13th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
LMAO……………and you have not got the Fred Flinstone tank in boot of sedan!
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August 13th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
and its also LPG only, which for some people isn’t ideal. Dedicated LPG is good for alot of people but i personally would always want the petrol option. I’ve been to too many outback servo’s that don’t carry LPG.
Andrew M - VF is due out next year, considering ford has only just launched the FG they won’t have improved by then, the only hope is toyota who might slot in the direct injected version of the 3.5 V6 from the lexus IS350, but thats an expensive option.
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August 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Yea, would be nice NOT to see the tank in the boot, or in the ute’s tray. Ford are on the right track getting the LPG tanks out of the way, but having said that, theres no petrol tanks taking up room on the E-Gas Fords.
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August 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
Andrew is right Richo, Toyota can easy play the cards and bring in the DI version of the Aurion engine which is already in the IS350, and surely Ford will do something like this too. All big manufactures have many cards in their sleeve and only play them when the market needs them, so as to keep as far as possible from that ‘dead end’ situation where they are no longer competitive.
Also note too, Commodores have something neither japanese, or Euros have in the Australian market, which is easily be its cultural status within this nation, Ford has this as well, both carry heritage in this country which many people see as being ‘patriotic’ buy buying such product, likewise with Australian made… This goes with all nations
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August 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
credit where it’s due though surely Andrew M? a 224kw V6 in a large sedan with economy better then a 4 cylinder camry, thats impressive. 11.0l per 100km out of a V8 is astonishing, surely you agree?
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August 13th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
Joober i agree that toyota and ford would be able to fight back, but ford have only just launched the FG, so they won’t be doing an engine upgrade in 2009 which is when the VF is due, the FG won’t get an engine update till 2010 when it gets the V6, so holden will have a reasonable amount of time with that direct injection advantage. Also at this time it doesn’t look like ford will be giving us a direct injected V6 as i’m not sure that the duratec 3.8ltr (which is commonly assumed is what the falcon is getting) is currently available with direct injection anywhere in the world.
The only ones who could respond quickly is toyota with the DI V6 from the lexus, but they would have to ALREADY be working on it for them to be able to get it to the market in time for the VF commodore
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August 13th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Richo,
ok here comes the credit.
yep,
11.0L from a V8 and 9.0L from a large V6 is pretty good.
dont forget magazines already pitch the falcons 6 as already getting 9’s with out the extra technology….
im a believer in the large cars over the smaller options, so im not going to split Litres with you compared to a rice burner.
also to note is that the DI GM engine you are talking about demands premium unleaded.
the power figure for fords current engine on premium is around the 210kw mark with a mass of torque in excess of 400nm.
and then how much better does the current economy get in the falcon with premium fuel??
im not trying to rain on the parade, but think you are being a bit to excited about what you like to assume will happen.
holden wont release the DI engine on all models. only the upper spec models will receive it. but above all that there are no confirmations of when DI will actually debut.
then you make assumptions as to what V6 ford will be using.
no one really knows whether it will be the 3.5,3.7 or 3.8L version.
and if it is the 3.8L like you are saying, how do you know that in 18months time, there isnt a DI version??
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August 13th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
Richo,
i would always prefer the dedicated LPG option.
dual fuel is always a compromise and always will be.
there are a lot more LPG pumps around than there used to be.
if you run out dont you call RACQ or RACV anyway??
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August 13th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
Andrew M - you make good points, but i just want to correct you on the direct injected V6 needing premium unleaded. Check the cadillac.com.au website and read the press release, the DI V6 in the caddy CTS, which is what holden will be getting, does NOT require premium. Most of your other points are quite valid.
Also, i stuffed up with the big V8, chevvy are actually claiming 10.2ltr per 100km, better then the current commodore V6!!!
Also yes the road testers are getting 9’s out of a falcon right now, but you can’t go comparing based on what different people got in different test drives. You can only compare based on the official figures.
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August 13th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Richo, you will be right that they wont respond immediately, but surely how much of an advantage over a 1 year span will Holden have against the rest, people will still consider the falcon or Aurion and especially with a declining large car market, so perhaps the sales impact won’t be as tough, plus its kinda a more ’series ii’ type of upgrade rather than a full shebang (VZ to VE)… on that note im pretty sure Ford and Toyota can hold up until they release a matching car without stressing too much, especially when both makers enjoy sales from the other cars under their brand.
But I do fully agree with giving Holden credit for taking v6’s to the next level first.
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August 13th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Cheap option for DI gas.
Is it available in the wagon?
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August 13th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
U don’t get it either Richo.LOL.
If Holden doesn’t lift their game Aurion will be number one very soon I suspect.
The prob is Holden and Ford sit on their hands usually until after the horse has bolted.
Holden need to chase medium car sales with the Commodore as the rest of their stable aren’t doing it for the buying public. A bit of glitter on the base model and standard 195kw 5speed would do the trick.
Seems a waste considerinhg the quality of the fg and ve maxmise sales by dressing the base models up and steal sales from mid size imports i.e even the Corolla with the lpg options.
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August 13th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Richo, I’ve just started reading the latest Motor. Camaro engine specs/economy do sound very impressive. DI seems like a good thing to me. I wonder how useful DOD will be though. Will the V8 have DOD?
I wonder how useful because the new Accord V6 has Displacement-on-Demand .ie. switches between 6, 4 and 3 cylinders, yet the new Falcon still beats it for fuel economy and grunt according to Car Advice.
Gas wise, over the years I’ve bought a couple of 2nd-hand Falcons with conversion already done for a daily driver. Saved me a lot of money over the years.
VE dual-fuel needs a better engine/gearbox.
FG E-gas needs sequential gas injection.
I’d consider buying either with these updates made.
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August 14th, 2008 at 8:42 am
The nitty gritty specifics can be argued, but if Holden are smart and use the technology they have, the fact remains they will have a very competitive drivetrain available. If they are selling quite well with the current engine/auto then we would assume they would increase sales with a much better combo.
Hopefully making the 6 speed std on the Epica points to the likelihood of a 6 speed across the range for VF. It looks quite odd at the moment having their budget mid class car much better equipped than the Commodore.
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August 14th, 2008 at 9:39 am
Dual Fuel any day of the week for me
Andrew M, did you know that although you can ring RACV of similar, they then need to TOW your car to the nearest petrol station? You can’t fill up on the side of the road.
I have a VZ Wagon on factory duel fuel, got a bad batch of gas last month. Local ford dealer was full of Falcons getting towed in, mine kept running on petrol till I got the problem fixed.
Aurion still has a small cabin.
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August 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Why doesn’t holden offer a dual fuel V8? I’m sure it would be an ttractive option, plus, there’s more profit per car in it for them by selling an SS, SSV, or Calais V V8, etc.
And how ’bout just adding a carpeted cover to hide the LPG tank in the boot?
It would finish it off neatly, & make the whole installation look factory finished!
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August 14th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Don’t HSV do the conversion?
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August 14th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I am sick of hearing everyone talking about what is potentially available in the future for each make.
What about giving credit for what is available RIGHT NOW, and giving credit to the designers/engineers of 3 or 4 years ago for making it available!!
DI & DOD may be available in 18 months time in the commodore, but TODAY, RIGHT HERE AND NOW, you can get a Falcon with superior engine/transmission technology, superior fuel economy & a world class drive with 5 star safety.
You would be foolish to think Ford are going to take a backwards step in engine tech/fuel economy with the V6 in 2010.
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August 14th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Alec they may not take a backwards step in engine technology, and no one here has suggested that they will, however it IS looking increasingly likely that they are going to take a sideways step, ie the technology in the V6 will be equal to that already in the straight 6, so far their are no indications that it is getting anything new such as DI or DOD.
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August 14th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Richo and Alec,
The new Ford V6 was voted one of the top 10 new engines in the world last year. It’s a pretty good donk. I’m sure it’s engineered to take future technological additions. But you’re right, there’s no sign of them yet.
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August 14th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Richo,
don’t forget that the Duratec V6 is currently (and will eventually be) fitted to Lincoln’s, Mercury’s, Mazda’s and Fords.
This is a Huge Number of models to spread technology investment costs across and a number of engine tech requirements that will need to be filled incl many luxury/sports applications.
Lincoln will surely require DID & DOD in the future as they are Ford’s US Luxury contender
GM’s Modular V6 and Ford’s Duratec V6 are being applied in a very similar method across a diverse product range by each of their manufacturers and will need to be competitive with each other.
I don’t think the sideways step will be related to engine tech, but rather engine characteristics!
There have been continual rumours regarding engine tech of Holden’s Modular V6 since it was introduced years ago, with many people less than satisfied with the product currently available that was so highly regarded before its introduction.
I don’t deny DID & DOD is on the horizon, but think Holden and many motoring publications stoke those rumours to keep evryone happy and hide the fact the current offering is exactly up to scratch!!!
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August 14th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
I meant
“isn’t exactly up to scratch”
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August 14th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
hey Alec you’ll never hear me denying that the current alloytec V6 isn’t up to scratch! And the fact that the 3.2 version of the alloytec currently in the captiva is a much sweeter engine then the current 3.6 in the commodore really does highlight this. In the captiva the engine is much sweeter in its power delivery and the way in which it revs, and it also doesn’t have that low rpm wheezing noise that the 3.6 has in the commodore.
Infact i would go as far as saying that holden should be looking at putting DI on the 3.2 as well as the 3.6 and perhaps offering the 3.2 with around 210kw in the omega and berlina, and put the 3.6 with around 225kw in the SV6 and calais. This would give ALL commodores a much better engine, not just the top engines, but still provide the differentiation holden wants between the calais and SV6 and the “lesser models” of the omega and berlina.
But anyway we’ll just have to wait and see
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August 14th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
also i really REALLY hope holden put the 6 speed in ALL commodores. They will at the very least be putting the 6 speed auto in the SV6 and calais and the 5 speed in the omega and berlina, but i would really hope that they would just bite the bullet and put the 6 speed accross the range.
As gif-ed says its a bit of a tough look having the epica have a 6 speed accross the whole range and the commodore only a 4 or 5 speed
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August 14th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
is that a real pic of the switch? that looks terrible and really cheap…how hard is it for them to make a switch and surrounds that actually look like they’re integrated properly?
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August 14th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Richo,
the ford Duratec engine range was engineered to be compatible with DI and a host of other engine tech stuff.
what makes you think that the new ford Donk cant be DI??
Adam,
yep, i knew you cant roadside refuel an LPG vehicle. (i ran out once ha ha ha, but i knew before that)
whats the difference between an LPG only vehicle getting contaminated fuel VS an unleaded only vehicle getting contaminated fuel??
the end result is the same……..you are disabled…..
at least LPG contamination isnt a common occurance like it is with unleaded.
ive only read one declaration of contaminated fuel, and it was from Shell.
i thought it was quite good of them to declare to pay for all the service and recto costs.
how many unleaded dealers offer that??
it seems like every week there is a story on “ACA” with a host of unhappy motorists who faced costly repair blls due to contamnated Unleaded and diesel.
at least with LPG only you have an intergrated dash display (rather than a tacked on set of 4 LED’s) and no loss of boot or tray space.
also there are less parts to service, and an engine tune that ensures longevity etc due to a properly constructed engine.
yes there are pros and cons of each side, but i would rather the dedicated build of an LPG engine.
and by the way, all someone has to do is certify a portable LPG refiller and hand it out to RACQ/RACV etc and all your troubles are solved.
im surprised no one has done it yet……
if the LPG demand increases, i can see it becoming a normal operation if you are out.
the talk is that fords dedicated system will become a sequential vapour system at the start of next year.
I bloody hope so…….
bring back the manual E-Gas……
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August 14th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
gotta agree as sick of auto LPG shyte!
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August 14th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
NM,
i wouldnt be so unhappy if they atleast offered the 6sp auto with it. even if you had to pay a bit more for it..
the lack of LPG upgrade and 4sp auto only will see me trade my currently great E-Gas manual falcon for a switch back to the petrol side of things.
why upgrade my current one to another LPG when on the LPG side of things it techniclly wouldnt be upgrading
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August 15th, 2008 at 10:09 am
Andrew M – I can certainly understand the attraction of a dedicated gas model, the only issue for me personally, and I understand it won’t be a problem for everyone, but for me personally I really enjoy travelling interstate and so forth by car and I have been to a lot of outback fuel stations that do not carry LPG. I guess I just have a fear, however irrational, about running out of fuel with no ability to get anymore because obviously unlike petrol or diesel where you can have jerry cans and so forth, with LPG you have to be at a LPG station to fill up, you can’t do it portably. I guess for me I am happy to lose some boot space in order to have that piece of mind of having the petrol tank aswell. Additionally duel fuel does afford a really good total range, which can also be very handy while travelling. I agree though that given in the VE the petrol tank is forward of the rear axle, surely holden could work out a way to locate the LPG tank underneath the boot. Even if they used a donut tank which are designed to fit in spare wheel wells and then relocate the spare wheel to inside the boot like the old VN-VS commodores had, that would still take up a hell of a lot less boot space then the LPG tank. Then it would be best of both worlds, duel fuel AND a full boot. Plus they should probably integrate the LPG/Petrol switch and tank level indicator a little bit better into the cabin, surely the LPG tank level could be included in the LCD screen for the trip computer?? Then they would just have to add a switch somewhere which isn’t rocket science.
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August 17th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Richo…..Last Easter i did Sydney, Broken Hill, Adelaide, Melbourne and back to Sydney with absolutely no problems finding gas and don’t forget that the dedicated LPG Falcons will get around 1000Ks on a full tank of gas highway cycle because they manage to fit over 100 litre gas tank in the wagon! Also i spent well under 300 dollars for the almost 4000 kilometer trip.
I did worry about finding gas a first but was pleasantly surprised that it wasn’t a problem!!!!!
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August 17th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Carl,
you beat me to it.
its a matter of if you aint looking for it, you wont see it.
if you regularly travel outback, you would easily be able to plan your fuel stops as you would be familiar with the route.
according to the LPG Australia website, more LPG bowsers are found in the out back regions than in the city (its a fact)
sure they could incorporate the LPG into the current dash system and re engineer the vehicle to hide 2 tanks underneath, but the fact is they dont.
so you say duel fuel is better because they only have to do half a dozen things to make it as hidden as a dedicated setup,
but you say dedicated is hopeless because no one has an approved LPG jerry can yet??
yes you have 2 tanks in a duel fuel vehicle, but did you not realise that an LPG tank in a duel fuel is usually quite smaller than the tank in a dedicated falcon??
you are never going to have the best of both worlds because you can not tune a vehicle to its optimum on 2 totally different fuels.
with a dedicated model, there is no compromise on tuning.
with diel fuel, the economy is worse for that very reason, so there goes your longer range theory.
also they dont run as smoothly as a dedicated model
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August 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Holden’s LPG offering is by far and away better than Ford’s “E-gas” offering. The SVI LPG system in the Commodore means uncompromising performance and smoothness and no backfires. An aftermarket SVI conversion would normally set you back $2500 after rebate, so for only $400 after rebate (or a $600 saving if you’re like me and reside in WA), you’re actually getting excellent value for money.
Dual fuel does not always means compromises. SVI systems overcome all the problems that were typical with traditional LPG systems.
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August 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Andrew M, you are so wrong.
A dual fuel engine can run identically smoothly on both petrol and LPG if you have a properly set-up injected LPG system. Dual fuel engines do NOT suffer from excessive fuel economy penalties - only 10% or so with a modern injected setup - but this consumption penalty still applies if you’re engine is dedicated to LPG. Power loss is zero, and if you choose a Liquid Injection LPG setup, you will make MORE power on LPG and also LPG consumption will match petrol consumption.
Obviously you’re not in touch with modern LPG technology.
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August 19th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
LOL……………obviously you dont check real world economy achieved by dual fuel VERSUS dedicated LPG only! The dual fuel is less economical then a dedicated LPG!
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August 19th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Naughtyius Maxiumus: This doesn’t have to be so. Do you own a Commodore with SVI LPG? I do. Petrol economy is 11.5-12.5L/100km. LPG economy is 13-14L/100km under the same conditions. LPG economy will only improve if you build your engine to suit the fuel, which is extremely costly and wouldn’t achieve much in terms of long-term value.
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August 19th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
DAVO………………11.5-12.5l/100kms. LOL MASSIVE. So the fuel economy is only barely better then the guzzling VE and you expect me to believe it. Obviously what others I know through work with dual fuel in VE Commodore differs from your tunnel vision love of Holden….your quite funny! I own a BF ute with dedicated LPG and unlike you dont support one car maker out and out. I disagree with the upgrade to vapour usage in Ford as it will only strengthen its appeal long term more….lets hope they do it as I dont like the current LPG as cuts in and out and rough and also comes with mega boring as 4sp auto that just rolls hard into corners and it should come with a 5sp. Not to mention traction control. If the Holden unit is so good why do they not produce it on factory production line as outsource it….it falls under Holden warranty but they rely on others to do the upgrade! LMAO MASSIVE!
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August 19th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
LPG fuel economy on dual-fuel Omega and Berlina models is 16.0 litres per 100km and petrol is 11.7 litres per 100km. The facts are mirrored in feedback what I get and dont stack up against your coca cola thick lensed Holden spectacles! Google it as you need to deal with reality on economy of your car….unless you drive at 40kms and hour and only use it when no traffic around. You do dont you….on your way to shopping once a week? LMAO MASSIVE. Good luck with your…………….LOL fuel economy claims! HA HA HA HA HA HA……LMAO. The above figures are off this website and close to mark! LOL!
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August 19th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Naughtyius Maxiumus Says:
August 19th, 2008 at 6:12 pm
DAVO………………11.5-12.5l/100kms typo as meant 13-14lts!
Economy in my BF dedicated LPG with a mix of driving (before fitted hydrogen unit on ute) I would get minimum 550kms from a 70litre tank. Thats 12.7litres per 100kms and that is mostly stop start driving. You would not get near that!
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August 19th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Davo,
just have a little read of what you have posted.
one minute you sit there and tell me the economy in a SVI duel fuel system would be as good as if it were a dedicated SVI system,
and then your last post says the only way it would get better is if it were a dedicated SVI system.
there is a compromise on power because the duel fuel SVI commodore doesnt rate the same power out put as the petrol variant.
what exactlly are you arguing about???
a duel fuel SVI system wont perform as well as a dedicated SVI system END OF STORY………
how come the ancient tech dedicated E-Gas falcon economy is still better than the high tech SVI duel fuel commy consumption on both official and real world figures???
my uncle has a VE commodore with the SVI LPG and it is noticable. it doesnt run identically to when its on petrol.
the E-Gas falcons donk is built and tuned with out compromise. it sports different piston rings and spark plugs (to name a couple) to cater for the obvious difference in each of the fuels preference.
im not trying to say the E-Gas falcon is the ducks nuts of LPG management (and never have).
The E-gas’s biggest flaw is the near on 10 year old un upgraded tech that it is still running.
you are a fool to think that if the E-Gas was SVI, that it wouldnt fare any better than an SVI duel fuel falcon,
or if the commodore was a dedicated SVI that it also wouldnt fare any better than a duel fuel SVI
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August 19th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
and how is building an engine to specificlly suit LPG more expensive??
ford already do it, and its cheaper than the compromised build of a duel fuel
and wouldnt achieve much in terms of long term value???
WTF???
as already discussed, a dedicated fuelled LPG donk does achieve better economy and hence better value….
or did you mean resale??
either way, E-Gas falcons have a better resale value….
and going back further……
holden have to use an SVI system because if a back fire did occur, it would blow apart the inlet.
ford dont have that problem because they use a cast inlet.
and before you get me wrong (again)
yes an SVI system is much better, but its still not running at its optimum unless it applied in a dedicated manner
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August 19th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
just scroll back up and have a look at that LPG tank in the boot again……..
i wish i had one of those in the tray of my falcon ute……
apparently it isnt a compromise to lose boot/tray space for LPG fitment…….(as long as its an SVI)
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August 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Gotta agree it is old tech design having a big keg in boot. SMART AS……not!
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August 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Quick update. Maybe you should run another headline saying the the rebate is now only a thousand dollars like ford. Why the government has changed there mind I don’t know, as I know for a fact that the gas system is installed outside the factory. It seems the government is not as serious on helping the environment or our pockets as much as they say they want to. Yet another backward step for the industry. But no need to believe me ask the question first.
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August 23rd, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Aaron,
i havent heard that the rebate system has changed.
the rebate for a new ford E-Gas is only $1000 because it is a new vehicle.
it has only ever been $1000 for the E-Gas falcon because it is classified as a new LPG vehicle.
because the commodore doesnt have its system fitted on the assembly line but rather done aftermarket, it qualifies for the $2000 rebate.
the commodore it therefore not classified as a new LPG vehicle.
the government offers the extra grand when it is a conversion because the premium to convert is greater than the premium to factory fit.
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