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2013 Nissan Pathfinder targets Ford Territory

By Alborz Fallah |

The 2013 Nissan Pathfinder will target popular car-based mid-sized SUVs such as the Ford Territory and Toyota Kluger after switching from the current model’s off-roader-focused underpinnings.

Nissan’s current Pathfinder is biased towards off-road ability with a traditional 4WD body-on-frame chassis but the new model instead employs a monocoque, one-piece construction like the Falcon-based Territory and Camry-based Kluger.

The move reduces the Pathfinder’s weight by a huge 227kg – which helps fuel economy among the advantages – and also allows for improved driving manners and reduced interior noise and vibrations.

Nissan says it changed the Pathfinder’s approach owing to declining sales of traditional 4WDs and the shift of buyers towards family-oriented, car-based SUVs.

“There’s still demand for authentic SUVs, full-size trucks [US term for SUVs] to have towing performance to go off-road, it’s just that this particular segment has shifted to a family product,” Carla Bailo, president of Nissan’s technical centre in North America, told CarAdvice at this week’s 2012 Detroit motor show.

“People want fuel economy, spaciousness and that’s [through the monocoque chassis] how we can deliver it.”

Nissan Australia boss Dan Thompson says, however, that while the new Pathfinder will be better to drive on road it is aiming to retain the off-road capability of the current model.

“The target for new Pathfinder was to at least do the same capability [off-road],” he says. “We’re not looking to engineer a better off-road vehicle, but looking to hold at least what we have today.”

Thompson says the change will make the Pathfinder a stronger competitor against the Kluger and the Territory, which ended 2011 as Australia’s best-selling SUV.

“It’s fair to say our current R50 Pathfinders are more on the authentic side [for off-road], which is why we sell 200 a month and not 1000 a month because that segment [authentic SUVs] is shrinking. Our objective is to retain all the existing Pathfinder customers while conquesting 80 per cent more volume from Kluger and Territory.”

In Australia it’s expected to achieve sales of around 10,000 per year, which will be a near 80 per cent increase over the current model.

The new Pathfinder’s designer, Alfonso Albaisa, vice president of Nissan design centre in North America, said: “We have Pathfinder, and this famous name is linked to an authentic SUV [with] boxy proportions.

“(But) customers are turning their heads away from that segment. The romance and fantasy [with authentic off-road SUVs] is on the lips but not hearts.”

He said the new Pathfinder is a “little more sleek, conscious of wind noise, fuel economy [and] comfort” but still “shows masculinity in the body [and a] sense of capability”.


“Customers want a reward, want it to be stylish, want to have it feel like it can do anything but want to get in the back seat comfortably. [They] want to be able to have a conversation between the third and front rows.”

The arrival of the 2013 Nissan Pathfinder is still around 18 months away.

Nissan Australia is likely to get customised suspension settings for our roads. When asked about localised testing, Bailo said, “You don’t want to put a car on the market when you’ve never taken the car there before.”

Nissan says it benchmarked the new Pathfinder against the Toyota Kluger and Honda Pilot (not sold in Australia).


 
  • Ibc

    Interesting. Nissan is heading in a different direction to Mistusbishi (Challenger) and Isuzu (and possibly Ford/Mazda). It should be better on road and Nissan buyers still have the options of Navara and Patrol. You can bet it’ll offer 2wd versions too for the “pretenders”.

    • http://www.caradvice.com.au/ Alborz Fallah

      It will come with 2WD that’s already confirmed. Will also get V6 petrol with CVT

      • Troll No. .47

        Ok, but will this be a bum-dragger 2WD or RWD biased?

      • Troll No. .47

        Ok, but will this be a bum-dragger 2WD or RWD biased?

  • Hung Low

    So its basically a 7 seat Murano, it is a good looker imo and if the quality and refinement is anywhere as good as the current Murano, they will have a very good contender on board.

    Alborz, any info on the towing capacity? With the CVT I do not expect it to be competitive!

  • 3D4

    I’m very disappointed with this car.. It’s not the look I think it looks great (especialy interior) but I’m really disappointed with the fact that it has gone soft.. Well NISSAN you have lost potential customer as I wouldn’t be able to afford new Patrol for sure…

  • 3D4

    I’m very disappointed with this car.. It’s not the look I think it looks great (especialy interior) but I’m really disappointed with the fact that it has gone soft.. Well NISSAN you have lost potential customer as I wouldn’t be able to afford new Patrol for sure…

    • Kampfer

      Well, they may loss you as potential customer but I bet they will gain many. Look at the sell number of current Kluger and Pathfinder. Challenger isn’t doing well in our “land of the Outback” either…

      • 3D4

        That is true.. This car is build for US market and there is no doubt this model will attract more customers than previous model. But I just can’t get over the fact that more and more “used-to-be-proper-4WD” turning into soft roaders..

        Unfortunately, this widening gap on the market will be filled by cheap chinese 4wd cars and I think that is a shame.. Not looking forward to have the only option to go and pick from GreatWall, Foton etc. when it comes to new, reasonably priced 4wd..

        • Sumpguard

            Agreed it has gone soft but the current Pathfinder hasn’t sold that well so it may be a wise move as most of these types of vehicles remain on road. If I was looking for a true offroader I’d be looking long and hard at the FJ cruiser but holding out for toyota to wake up and smell the diesel!

             Meanwhile the Territory is no more an offraoder than this vehicle and (imo) has dated already! 

      • 3D4

        That is true.. This car is build for US market and there is no doubt this model will attract more customers than previous model. But I just can’t get over the fact that more and more “used-to-be-proper-4WD” turning into soft roaders..

        Unfortunately, this widening gap on the market will be filled by cheap chinese 4wd cars and I think that is a shame.. Not looking forward to have the only option to go and pick from GreatWall, Foton etc. when it comes to new, reasonably priced 4wd..

  • Ima Hogg

    Side view looks like an awkward Rav 4-Kluger.

    • Nola_big

      I thought so too with a Buick Enclave front. Needs quite a bit of refinement in my view before release.

  • 440 R/T Charger

    Its a good looking car…traditional large 6cyl car buyer just find it harder and harder to ignore the product like this offer to the market.

  • Oh no

    I hope it really isn’t going to be benchmarked on the Kluger.  All the Kluger does on the freeway is float. Made me car sick. The Territory on the other hand, road very car like on the freeway. No float at all.

  • nickdl

    There’s no reason for the Pathfinder to be bad off-road with a monocoque chassis. The Mitsubishi Pajero is an excellent off-road vehicle and isn’t body-on-frame. Indeed, the Territory would only need a bit more ground clearance for it to be great off-road (although that would affect its handling).

  • Tim

    The current model pathfinder is hardly meant for off-road use anyway; that’s what the patrol is for

  • Chucky

    The clearance looks lower. I guess we will see what happens.

  • Gigi

    I doubt this new model will have a low range gearbox like the current Pathfinder…so how can Nissan Aust say that it will be just as capable off road?

  • Glow

    Good looking… softer than the previous generation.. will appeal to broader groups …  sexier than the Outlander.

  • guest

    looks gret, let’s hope they bring out the V6 3 ltr diesel version

  • James Cortez

    what a “sissy” 4wd without low range gears!. Nissan has gone soft. the current pathfinder at least has a certain degree of masculine / macho look but not the new one. Shameful!

  • mike

    is it base on the infiniti jx 7 seater