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New Car Sales fall in July

By Alborz Fallah |

Following rising interest rates, the increasing price of petrol and the impact of the proposed luxury car tax increase, new car sales for July 2008 have slowed 2.7 per cent compared to the same period last year.

New Car Sales slow in July

Official VFACTS figures released today by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) indicate that 83,976 new cars, trucks and buses found new owners in July – a shortfall of 2,315 vehicles (2.7%) compared to July 2007.

Either way, the year-to-date figures are still optimistic, being 2.6 per cent above last year’s record highs. Whether or not 2008 will top 2007′s all-time record is still to be seen.

“Higher fuel prices, interest rates and the wider economic uncertainty have resulted in a slowing of people heading to showrooms,” FCAI chief executive Andrew McKellar said.

The 2.7 per cent fall could partially be attributed to the proposed luxury car tax hike, which has led to a 33 per cent decrease in the sales of so-called ‘luxury’ in July compared to June.

“The proposed tax hike has had a devastating impact on new car sales, it is clear that the downturn has been exacerbated by the impact of this unfair tax hike, and the industry has significant concerns that orders will continue to be affected in coming months,” Mr McKellar said.

Mr McKellar emphasis that if the situation continues, the Federal government will fail to collect the additional revenue it had projected, plus there is a very possible risk that the tax hike will cost jobs.

“In these circumstances, one would have to question why the government would pursue this tax increase,” he said.

Segment by segment, most suffered a decrease in sales except for light cars (up 1.0%), SUV medium (up 8.1%), SUV large (up 7.4%). and Light Commercial vehicle (up 6.3 per cent) compared to the same month last year.

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Once again Toyota set the benchmark for the month, coming in first with a massive 24.4 per cent of the market share, followed by GM Holden with 13.3 per cent and Ford with 11.3 per cent.

The figures shows the Big T has sold 147,961 new vehicles so far this year with Holden having found 78,271 buyers will Ford is coming in a comfortable third with 63,933 sales.

Toyota also made another landmark, being the first manufacturer to sell more than 20,000 vehicles in the month of July.


 
  • Glen

    No big surprise there, it was always going to die off and I think its going to die off pretty quickly.

  • Reckless1

    The STS allows you to write off 15% of the cost of the car in the first year, whether you have it for 1 month or 11+ months.

    Therefore, most business buyers who are in the market would be inclined to buy in June and not July.

    The LCT hike has no effect in July, despite reporters claiming it does, because the vendors have absorbed the increase so far.

    The economy is slowing, people are finally realising that the easy money that was available for a decade isn’t really that easy after all – you do have to repay it. Unlike the USA, in AU you can’t just walk away from it – you do have to repay it.

  • crouchy

    Can someone please tell me where i can find official australian sales figures???

  • http://realcars realcars

    By jingo Reckless I think u are right.

    How many Hilux Prados were sold?

  • Bret

    Quote: “SUV medium (up 8.1%), SUV large (up 7.4%)”

    Breaking it down a bit more:
    Total SUV -3.5% (SUV Compact was down 12%)
    Private 6893, -21.6%
    Business 6298, 15.7% 23.0%
    Gov’t 1090, 34.6%
    Rental 561, 66.0%

    So more “people” are not buying SUV’s as the media want you to believe, the fleets are driving this.

    Also whilst Private, Govt and Rental passenger sales are down 10-13%, business fleets are up nearly 15%.

  • Bret

    Some other interesting stats:

    Only 19% of light commercials (Hilux et al) are bought by private buyers.

    Private Passenger:
    Hybrid DOWN 27%, LPG +141%, Diesel +24%, Petrol -15%

    Private Light commercial:
    Diesel -23%, LPG +97%, Petrol -3% (So what LPG powered light commercial has doubled its private sales, and BTW increased fleet by 17%?)

  • Wheelnut

    If you want to know the official automotive sales figures try either the Australian Breareau of Statistics.[The one in Canberra that is; NOT the one on this site known as Dingo TP & Tomas Ltd] or even better try VFACTS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674330849 lazybones

    The Prius (311) has outsold the Mondeo (309)!!! Now i have see it all.

    Another good month for Ford, the FG for obvious reasons is the only large car not on the sales slide. Looks like the SUV’s are eroding large car sales.

    Bret, do you know if the Business sales include novated leases??

  • No Name

    Ha thats really funny Wheelnut.
    2 n a bit percent swing is not really a big deal, but the writing is on the wall as far a credit goes. Its been too easy for too long, now we have to pay.

  • Andrew M

    go the LPG!!!!!!!
    where is frugal?????

    what is the percentage for bench seat sales??

    that ought to really get him hard……..

  • Joober

    FG is new to the market, I would be a problem if it was sliding in sales already I would believe.

    And yep credit crunch is hurting in the past few months, even superannuation is not safe, with negative returns happening, feel sorry for the poor sods just about to retire…

  • Andrew M

    fleet sales are a hard one to judge with commercial vehicles.

    there are a lot of people in a trade that can get fleet discounts at any dealer if they flash a certain membership card.

    a mate of mine recently saved a few dollars on his new rodeo because he flashed his HIA membership card.

    I too will try to get on the fleet price by seeing what i can flash at them. (i better watch though, if i “flash” them i might get a complimentry cell for the night)

    my point is,
    not all fleet sales mean “company/corporate” fleet sales.
    there is a big difference there in the way vehicles are chosen.

    good to see the FG sales on the up.
    and it must also must be considered that the FG E-Gas range isnt on sale yet, and that the turbo range has only just been released, and the utes werent too far infront of them

    the E-Gas range makes up a notable percent of the falcon range nowdays too.

  • Andrew M

    Jobber,
    and what about the ones that have to follow in our footsteps???

    it isnt getting any easier to start out in life either

  • http://australiancaradvice Robbo

    80 – 85% of Falocn and Commodores sales are fleet which is up by about 5% from last year and apparently the Aurion is more popular with private buyers then the Falcon.

  • Andrew M

    whats your point robbo the toyota bogan???

  • http://integra What The ?

    Aurion sales figures for last month were internally inflated by sales to employees……….read the report so July figures are really what the sales should be…….shit !! FG will ramp up in the next few months but the only problem is that people in Australia have a history of NOT buyng the best car !!! OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE !!!

  • Andrew M

    the FG falcon is just that much of a better drive than the aurion, and no amount of bitter tears, sales results, or indian phone poll is going to change that

  • Dean

    Ahh Robbo, the Commodore has reduced its fleet sales down to 70% with Holden selling alot more higher spec models to private buyers now.
    Also, the Aurion bombed in July to around 1300 sales compared to Commodore’s nearly 5000 sales in July.
    It is reported on another website Toyota inflated Aurion sales in June with employee demo’s.
    We suspected Toyota “buy” market share but now they have been caught red handed.
    Just another reason why more and more people are turning off Toyotas……

  • DKA

    DEAN,What planet are you on?More and more people turning off Toyota’s.With a 23.6% market share (up 2.36%)Holden on a miserable 12.5%9(down 1.03%) Ford a pathetic 10.02% (down 0.83%)I think every manufacturer in Aus. would love to have people turning off their cars half as much.The reason Toyota dominates the market is that they don’t only have one volume seller but most of the range does very well e.g. 5 of the top 10 selling cars are Toyota’s.I suggest you get your head out of your a…e and get ready for school.

  • http://www.ausringers.com Liam

    The reason Toyota does so well is the reason Harvey Norman stays in business. There’s too many “middle Australians” boring the life out of themselves and playing it safe. Have you seen some of the fabrics on Harvey Norman couches! If the ratio of owners of ugly Harvey Norman couches and Toyota owners is not 1:1 I’ll be very surprised.

    Go Aussie! Go Boring! Go Toyota!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674330849 lazybones

    Dean, i’m not sure where your going with that one but if anyone should be concerned it would be Holden. Commodore sales are down 20% on the year, and have continued to slide every year despite the launch of the VE. Remember 5000 use to be a crap month for the commodore, now its a peak. Sales of Holdens Korean range is also down, including the Barina which normally returns short of 1000 per month.

    With GM Announcing biblical losses, i would expect another uncertain year for Holden.

    “There’s too many “middle Australians” boring the life out of themselves and playing it safe”

    Well maybe in 20 years well all be driving white bread bins, I can easily imagine my son asking me if

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=674330849 lazybones

    … continued…
    I can easily imagine my son asking me in 20 years , “Hey dad, did you ever own a car with a combustion engine” :)

  • Dlr1

    Too many middle australians? Thats Ford and Holdens bread and butter! The bottom end dont buy new, and the top end rarely buys local. Wake up Liam.

  • http://www.ausringers.com Liam

    Haha, ease up kids, while I stand by my comments, they were only ever intended to be light hearted.

    Neither of you own couches from Harvey Norman do you?! What a bout a rear patio that is over, say, 50m2?

  • Bret

    Robbo,
    You lying fool. The stats you quote are made up.
    The proof is VFACTS does not publish them.

    Take your lies elsewhere!

  • Flying High

    Quote from Reckless1: ‘…Unlike the USA, in AU you can’t just walk away from it – you do have to repay it’

    well actually no. :-)

    esp in Australia. you dont have to repay anything. and the chance of someone being able to something about it, or going to the trouble of paying $$$ to a lawyer and waiting for courts to assist, is simply laughable.

    At any rate, back on topic, it is unlikely that any of the ‘more desirable’ cars which are worth buying (obviously nothing in the Toyota range) will have it’s asking price impacted.

  • The Axe

    Give it a rest “Go Toyota”.
    People buy on perception not on merit. That is due to marketing, reputation, image etc.
    Toyota generally make good (boring) cars for the masses. The fact that they are usually short on features, eg no ESP on Corolla, does not register to any buyer whether they are private or fleet. Skinny tyres on Hilux? Nobody picks up on that.. Optional Air Cond on a $46290 Prado??!! Got to be kidding. But that will not stop the masses from buying it.
    Next time you’re in a Camry or Aurion, have a look at the misaligned lower part of the dash where the air con/radio controls are..
    They buy it because they have heard, or been told they are reliable. Reliability never saved anybodies life as far as I know…

  • Bret

    Official VFACTS figures DON’T publish such individual model data, but if we are to believe Drive’s percentages, private sales, Falcon outsold Aurion 3 to 2

  • http://realcars realcars

    Mmmmmm look at all the plastic chrome on that Hilux Prado.

  • http://realcars realcars

    Is it a bird?

    Is it a plane?

    No it’s just a rear drive Camaurion.LOL.

  • gt2000

    realcars do us all a favour and leave caradvice forever! PLEASE we can not handle any more of your dribble! please take your daiwoo barina and go and dont come back bogan!bogan! bogan! bogan! bogan!

  • gt2000

    and take your bogan mate wheelnut with you! BOGANS!!!!

  • http://realcars realcars

    Wow got a bite.LOL.

    Plenty of cardigan wearing boganii driving Toyotas.LOL.

    “Will Toyota ever take the pole test?”

    Never ceases to amaze me how Toyota can charge a premium for such a mundane product.

  • gt2000

    i ask realcars how can holden ask such a premium price for there daiwoo range of sh*t box’s!

  • http://realcars realcars

    They don’t.

    Try and but a new Corolla with some basic extras for less than 30k on the road!

    P.S make sure u are wearing your shabbiest cardigan for the best deal.

  • http://realcars realcars

    In a perfect world buyers should be going straight to their Mazda dealer for a Mazda 3!

  • http://realcars realcars

    New Golf looks tasty at a Corolla price.

    The interior of the Corolla is generic Toyota utilitarian like a Hilux grinner for goodness sake.

    How can people part with 30 big ones for this crap?

    And u Toyotaphiles have the gaul to criticise Korean cars.

    At least they don’t way overcharge like Toyota.

  • Glen

    gt2000 (we all know its dingo) if we all had a vote you’d be the 1st booted off this website. So p#ss off and never come back. wanker wanker wanker wanker wanker wanker wanker. See how childish you look.

  • Robbos Son

    hey dad,
    mum says you have to stop making up stuff and putting it on this website.
    she still cant believe you keep changing your name.

    Robbo is understandable because your real name is robert,
    but what does dingo, gt2000 ….(and the list goes on)do to prove your credability??

    they are on to you dad.
    please stop being an embarassment to the family…….
    PLEASE?????

  • Glen

    Anyway now that Dingo has had his now mandatory Toyota rant can we ALL just ignore him and actually talk about the topic.

    I think we’re going to see quite a big drop off in new car sales for the rest of the year especially in the private sector. The used car market has slowed to a crawl so the new car market can’t be far behind.

  • Joober

    (back up above) Andrew, yes its hard for the younger generation, especially in a world where the red tape on things are getting thicker and thicker too, cant do this can’t do that anymore because its going to cause grief to a group of people, to the environment. Its no suprise theres so much ‘bored’ individuals causing violence vandalism these days. Also the trend of more and more people basking away their life on the computer/internet…

    Wonder whats its all like in 10, 20 yrs time…

  • No Name

    Aaahh perhaps Holden could make some real japanese crap instead of importing Korean crap to compare with Toyotas small range. They could even offer diesels and Wagons to give the consumer a choice. If things go wrong with the products they could ignore recalls to make the stats look good. They could poach Toyotas designers to make the cars look bland and handle poorly.
    Reckon I’m onto something here.

    Oh yes the sales thingy. Its gotta be the credit crunch stuff going on along with the high price of fuel. Just noticed diesel here has dropped 8pence per litre ~17cents. Sod it i’m off to buy a Yaris.

  • The Axe

    Funny how you ignored my post Go Toymotor..

  • gt2000

    hey glen who’s the wanker! insult someone else you prick “I AM NOT DINGO” go to caradvice and check,and you would have to be a ford bogan how’s it feel to be a loser all your life! how about you leave and do everyone a favor!

  • gt2000

    are glen,realcars & wheelnut the same guy (or girl) you all talk “boganish” and hate the almighty toyota! you will all be old one day saying, see we told you so holden will next year get 1% market share and ford will get 2% but we dont know how toyota does it with 40% ha!ha!ha!

  • Tomas79

    Gt2000,
    Mate you are wasting your time with these falcadore fairies!!
    This site has a serious bogan infestation problem, but don’t worry…
    In 5 years time there will be no falcodores around for them to go on about!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    GT2000 / WHO EVER YOU ARE TODAY !Unlike the Toyota extremists as yourself on this site, other bloggers dont need to change their names to protect their identity. Im guessing your one of the 3 regulars and I bet if I ask Alborz he will confirm that !

    Glen just report him .

  • Tomas79

    Gt2000,
    But then again, seeing as Wheelnut and Realcars both drive old bombs, in 5 years time they still will most likely be driving falcadores!!!
    Also its not an insult to be called dingo, that is a guy that has been reminding the bogans of real world published facts and figures… And they all get fluffed, and have big hissy fits after, but not a single one of them has ever came up with a serous counter argument against anything dingo has said so far!! They just want the guy banned, so they can continue living in their ford and holden fantasy world!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tomas, Dingo is banned , CA dont want him on the site understand THAT! You”ll be next with a bit of luck .

  • gt2000

    bavarian why ban someone who has different belief’s to you how about ban you! what for you say, well why not that’s your belief isnt it!everyone who comes on this site has a say it is a free site! not just you and your bogan mates ok!

  • gt2000

    bavarian stop living in bogansville when i accessed this site “CA” there where no join up fees so IT’S A FREE SITE if you cant cop that how about you leave! there’s an old saying “if you cant handle the heat get out of the kitchen” and you are on fire buddy! OK!

  • gt2000

    and to finish of “bavarian whistle” i came on here because i have been siting back reading all the dribble about bogan motor company (holden & ford) and as a lover of the BEST MOTOR COMPANY IN THE WORLD “TOYOTA” i felt it was my right say whatever i want about those low life products and as i have already said that is my right! TOYOTA RULES OK! and as i have already stated i am not dingo just another toyota lover just like the large majority of australians!

  • Glen

    Dingo you are an idiot, you just claimed it wasn’t you and you just admitted it with that last post.

    Lets get things straight, I don’t hate toyotas in fact I’ve said it before they make good quality but unexciting cars. Not my cup of tea. What I hate is that you toyotaphiles keep hijacking each and everyone of the comments sections by saying anyone who stands up to your personal attacks and selective facts is a bogan plain and that because they’re opinion is different to yours its lies, biased. And whenever someone does counter your argument with facts you don’t reply you just childishly call them names.

  • Bavarian Missile

    GT2000 get a grip! Yes its a free to site to access but sponsors pay to be on this site and when idiots come on here running down people calling them name insulting them and their families like Dingo does it hardly makes a manufacturer want to continue sponsoring a site where Toyota extremists continue on about “THE WORLDS BEST MOTOR COMPANY” running every other one down! This is why Dingo is banned and keeps coming back under a different name ,if you notice his posts always get deleted,why do think that is?mmmmmmm? Cause CA dont want them read,it degrades and devalues the site!

    Oh and if you really were watching this site you would know Im female not a bloke,Dingos comments are mostly based on surveys and self opinions not facts its when others that dont even drive Holden Fords in some cases like me at the moment start to be insulted from the likes of you cause you simply dont have the people skills or knowledge to retaliate except with insults,THAT MATE IS WHY PEOPLE LIKE YOU DINGO AND TOMAS ,will continue to be banned,nothing to do with your believes.

    Keep going on and you will soon see what Im talking about!

  • gt2000

    so let me get this right, it ok for bavarian, realcars glen or wheelnut to insult someone and not get banned (as you call it) but if someone who likes toyota and has an opinion say something they get banned! how is this fair can you answer that! or does CA only want this as a holden & ford forum! i dont think so! i have as much right as anyone to voice my opinion THIS SITE IS JUST NOT FOR BOGANS!

  • Bavarian Missile

    There are insults and insults GT2000,I mean why call me a Bogan? I live in upmarket suburb,drive a M3 wear designer clothes and finished my education? Your insulting me for no other reason but to feel good about yourself!

    Where did Wheelnut insult you ?

    And get over the bogan comments ,if you actually looked up the meaning you will see old Toyota’s also fall into the “bogan “category for drivers choice,so your insulting yourselves as well !

  • Joober

    Geez this article responses has really gone to the sh$t hasn’t it lol.

  • Glen

    BM, he only calls us bogans because he doesn’t have the intellect to actually think of anything else. He probably read someone else’s post and thought “yeah thats funny”.

  • Glen

    Yeah joober it has and it happens all too often. You may have noticed that it goes to sh*t the minute the toyotamafia start posting, they turn every single post into a “Not as good as Toyota” topic everytime and if you have the gaul to disagree with them you’re a bogan apparently.

  • gt2000

    hey glen correct me if i am wrong didnt this post read in some part!”toyota set the benchmark again for the month” so how did i highjack it! it’s about amongst other things toyota’s record 20,000 cars! so i way i see it YOU HIGHJACKED THIS SITE!

  • Glen

    Because Dingo go to the other posts that have NOTHING to do with Toyota in the slightest and you do exactly the same thing over and over again. Same with the other toyotaphiles on here. And once again you proved my point, you have no intelligent comebacks, the best you can come up with is that I highjacked this site without giving one example.

  • Tomas79

    Gt2000,
    Don’t waste your energy on these bogans, thats the same old tired spin they use all time. We hijack the blogs, yet nearly every blog on caradvice starts of with them bagging toyotas, regardless how unrelated the toyotas are…
    Have a look for your self!!
    I seriously reckon Realcars and Bavarian missile purely come here just to argue, they never give any technical details, or provide any information to backup their claims, which are objective at best!!!

    Bavarian Missile Says: ” I live in upmarket suburb,drive a M3 wear designer clothes and finished my education?”

    HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEHEHEH…. Don’t you live up in the Perth hills, AKA boganville? I guess Pepermint grove has nothing on armadale and surrounding area!! :-) Also isn’t your car 10 years or more old? Typical boganmobile!!

    Bavarian Missile Says:”if you notice his posts always get deleted”
    I have noticed so do yours and wheellnuts!!

    Anyway Gt2000, Lets just hope they follow holden and Fords lead and just disappear!!
    anyway, thats it from here, Unlike them I’m a true Automobile enthusiasts, I’m here to read about automobiles, and not to deal with muppets…

  • AC COBRA

    Geeeez this go toyoda bloke is having a cry maybe its time to put some salt on those deep wounds.

  • Glen

    Dingo I’ve been doing this the entire time. I have always stayed on topic unless one of you lot come on here and attack anyone else. I’ve got no problem with you stating facts but the fact is when someone says anything bad about Toyota’s you fly off the handle and start calling everone bogans. Then you keep changing your name to give the illusion that other people are supporting you which is just plain childish.

    Here’s a fact, out of the 3 Local brands Ford is the only one recording growth in passenger car sales this year up to july. Have a look on VFACTS if you want.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Tomas79]: But then again, seeing as Wheelnut and Realcars both drive old bombs, in 5 years time they still will most likely be driving falcadores!!!

    You either suffer from amnesia or like most Toyophiles on here only read the few parts of people’s comments that you want to or you understand.

    Because on a number of topics I have mentioned that I drive a White 02 Subaru Impreza 2.5 Litre RS Sedan ..
    You know Subaru the ones your beloved Toyota turned to for some know-how and assistance as to how to build a real performance hot hatch one which they aren’t going to sell outside of Japan but Subaru will.

    Which is quite sad really considering that Toyota are the wealthiest car company in the world.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Tomas 79] dingo, is a guy that has been reminding the bogans of real world published facts and figures… And they all get fluffed, and have big hissy fits after, but not a single one of them has ever came up with a serious counter argument against anything dingo has said so far!!

    We have made several serious well founded arguements to counter what Dingo and his many split personalities has GONE ON about on this site..
    However; he has a habit of only reading half the story or certain parts of it; taking things out of context thereby either mis*-understanding or mis-interpreting the message and GOES OFF again – yet due to his inablilities etc he resorts to personal attacks and insults… hence his comments get deleted [way more than anyone elses]

    It seems the Toyo-philes [not just Dingo] can dish it out but they just can’t take it – what do they expect when he degrades another make on no other grounds other than the fact that they don;t drive one or it doesn’t have a Toyota badge on it.. They should expect those who are fans of the other make to come back at him in a similar fashion

    Yet the most Ironic thing about Dingo and the other Toyo-philes is when the discussions which eventually turn into arguements they say there is no need for the insults; ask that we get back on topic and accept/respect other peoples opinions…. I mean you’ve got to laugh at that one

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tomas you need to take a long look at yourself mate,the way your sounding is typical of an uneducated git with no other way to retaliate than too abuse people! I live in Kalamunda hardly Boganville,yes I own a 10 year old M3 but for your info it was bought as a Sunday car not my everyday driver its my toy !I think we are all starting to understand what toy you enjoy playing with and its not your poverty pac Prado,hate to think what your Prado will be worth in 10 years mate not to mention I hate to think how much you will have to spend on it keeping it on the road.

    Dingo I dont know why you keep coming back when you clearly can see CA dont want you here,how many times do they have to keep blocking you?

    Tomas says “Unlike them I’m a true Automobile enthusiasts, I’m here to read about automobiles, and not to deal with muppets…

    Reply hahahaha……….yeah right we all no what you drive that proves how much of an enthusiast you are! In your 29 years of life so far tell us all of your so called experiences in owning and driving cars,Id be most interested in hearing about them all!

    In regard to sales this month seems the Country has started a down turn in its economy not only in car sales but in retail sales as well, not good .

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Tomas79 - again] Don’t waste your energy on these bogans, thats the same old tired spin they use all time. We hijack the blogs, yet nearly every blog on caradvice starts of with them bagging toyotas, regardless how unrelated the toyotas are…

    What are there 2 websites called http://www.caradvice.com.au?

    Because most topics on this site actually start-off with comments which actually relate to the car which the article is about – as not every topic on here is about Toyotas… or not at thebeginning anyway.
    Qoverall the comments are made in a civilised adult like manner; this goes on for about 20 comments or so… and then it stops.

    Why – Dingo makes his appearance and if the article is about a car which isn’t a Toyota [and there are a fair few cars out there that aren't Toyotas] he degrades the look of the car the build quality or the reliability of it even if he hasn;t driven it etc… which he wouldn’t because it’s not a Toyota..

    He never has anything positive to say about any other car. Yet calls himself a car enthusiast.
    He has asked me to make a positive comment in relation to Toyota – all I can say to that is Qui Pro Quo!

    We know Dingo “LOVES” Toyotas as much as the rest of yus love our Fords Holdens Mitsubishis Subarus Mazdas etc.. Yet the fact that his comments take the focus away from the car which the article is about and onto Toyota gives the impression that he knows nothing else about any other manufacturer. If he did [which he claims he does] you would expect that he would be able to talk about it and stay on topic… wouldn;t you?

  • Ian

    CarAdvice could always consider expanding their monthly sales reports to give a rundown on say, how the top 10 makes are performing compared to last year and year to date, which may give its readers more to talk about. Simply being like all the other news outlets that tell us that Toyota has won the month from Holden and Ford is hardly news. Tell us how other makes are going in your reports.

    What hasn’t been reported was how some big players really bombed sales-wise last month, Mitsubishi in particular. Honda and Hyundai also had bad months after performing very well in June.

  • TP

    Spot on Tomas. Toyota folk are the ones providing the facts and figures here. There is one reason why the Ford camp dont. Because they dont have anything to back up their poor excuses for automobiles.

  • Andrew M

    TP,
    the real reason you keep talking rubbish is because you are still trying to convince yourselves let alone others……..

  • Go Toyota

    ok fellow toyota lads,
    here is the plan.

    we will sit around and firstly convince ourselves of our own rot (as Andrew M just said).
    then we will have a session of making up alias’s so they think there is more than just 2 of us.

    that way, we will see enormous exponential growth as each of our alias’s creates another alias to try and fool the other folks…..

    just stick with me guys,
    if you stick to my plan, before we know it there will be endless unbelievable rot spread all over the website.
    and once our alias head count is through the roof, it will seem like they are in the minority.

  • Andrew M

    OK Dingo,
    here are some facts you find hard to digest.

    falcon is safer better engineered and much much better to drive than the aurion.

    got a problem with that???

  • Andrew M

    Ha ha ha ha
    seems like Dingo (Go toyota) spoke that one above out loud.

    did you forget you were on air Dingo???

    ha ha ha ha ha very funny
    at least now i will back up your honesty

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Andrew waisting your time cause CA are deleting his posts as he goes anyway,\\\”stick with me guys\\\”hahaha what all 3 of you,seems your out numbered by non Toyota lovers,is that telling you that you can rant and preach as much as you like but all you are achieving is the rest of HATING TOYOTA more from you ramming it down everyones throats not all of us use to hate Toyota stories but we all do now cause of you. Your Toyota promotion is a failure,perhaps you should show more T&A like the rest of us Promo girls have had too over the years to be heard,with the eyes of course!

    Now someone remind me how CAs test with the big 4s went and who won? Was that a Toyota? I do believe it was a Ford and whats that other story about 5 star safety rating thats currently in the new stories about? Is that a Ford? Now what was that you were saying about poor excuses for automobiles TP ?

  • No Name

    You been drinking Dingo – We all know you get lairy when you had a few.

    So why has Toyotas market share fallen in both Australia AND the UK last momth? Iy you can still type reasoned answers in you alchoholic haze.

    Said me trying to get this back on topic.

  • Wheelnut

    Could the reason we haven;t accepted you “Challenge” is even if we did it would get to the point where because of your delusions of grandeur etc you will convince yourself that you are winning the discussion/debate etc even if/when you’re not.. or you will only read what you want to read take things out of context mis-interpret the message etc as you do so regularly

    The other thing is that you won;t be able to help yourself and will refer to some kind of survey. surveys which are not FACT but are based on opinion which stem from emotions thereby contradicting your statement of not involving emotion.

    So really there is no point.. Dingo

    Besides the majority of us on here are adults and it takes more of a man to stand by his word and to walk-away then to accept a challenge from a schoolyard bully trying to show how superior he is when infact like most schoolyard bullies have an inferiority complex

    The fact you change your name so often to try and back up your statements etc porves this

    I mean if anyone accepts your challenge [which I doubt anyone will] they’ll be like the idiots who think they have to try prove to others how good their car is [or how good they think it is] by taking part in street drag racing.. whereas a real man knows how good his car is and doesn’t have to prove anything to anyone.

  • Andrew M

    sorry, cant help myself for one more.

    since you are on the Facts and references wagon,
    perhaps you could refer me to where i rubbish ANCAP…..

    when you do, you better make sure its based on “Facts” with a well supported reference.

    the only “fact” you just stated, is that the aurion emitts less CO2.

    im sure you will find more references supporting the FG falcon as the higher quality and more refined example.

    check out the reviews, they even put the falcon as the most economical of the bunch.

    where is your claims to what you just said…..
    stop speaking rot and prove what you just said.
    the only thing you dont need to prove to me is the CO2 thing

  • Golfschwein

    Delusions of grandeur…

  • Golfschwein

    “i am making an attempt to bring better quality to this site..”

    I mean, sheeeeeeeesh…words, for once, fail me!

  • Dingo’s (Go Toyotas) son

    Hey,
    Leave my Daddy alone.

    Mum says at least if he is on this web site talking rot, then he isnt in the kitchen hitting her.

    And also, i dont have to hide in the cupboard as much

  • Bavarian Missile

    Quote “aurion emits less CO2.” Gee where getting down to the real car enthusiast stuff now,carbon foot prints!Any one know what a dog emits in CO2 a year?

  • No Name

    Aah BM no CO2 – but methane at a gues about 2-3m3. Less than an Aurion at half throttle.

  • Dingo’s (Go Toyotas) son

    BM,
    a toyota dog emitts 30 tonnes
    where as a ford and holden dog emitts 300 tonnes

    the extra bonus is that toyota dogs can do surveys too

  • Dingo’s (Go Toyotas) son

    ^^^
    my daddy taught me that one

  • Bavarian Missile

    hahaha………arrrrrrr methane,of course No Name ,its all hot air I guess and pollutes the air!

  • Andrew M

    Dingo,
    please be refered to CA’s comparison between the FG and Aurion.
    there is a local reference for you….

    now you can refer me to an article where the FG and aurion have been tested side by side where the aurion proved to be more economical……..

  • TP

    There are many tests where the Aurion has one. I note that the Aurion has been voted Drives car of the year for two years now. I dont see any reason why that would change with the FG as we all know its prity much the same as the outgoing model. If anything its worse as we all know they say its 90% new, but the Aurion is 100% new no second hand parts!

  • Tomas79

    Wheelnut Says:” Because most topics on this site actually start-off with comments which actually relate to the car which the article is about – as not every topic on here is about Toyotas… or not at thebeginning anyway.
    Qoverall the comments are made in a civilised adult like manner; this goes on for about 20 comments or so… and then it stops.
    Why – Dingo makes his appearance and if the article is about a car which isn’t a Toyota [and there are a fair few cars out there that aren’t Toyotas] he degrades the look of the car the build quality or the reliability of it even if he hasn;t driven it etc…”
    Wheelnut, I respect that you are trying to communicate in an adult manner, but we all know what you just said above is a complete and utter lie!!
    Let’s look at his blog for example…
    Comment #4 (First dig aimed at Toyota)
    realcars Says:
    “How many Hilux Prados were sold?”

    Comment #7 (First Personal insult aimed at TP, Go Toyota, and myself)

    Wheelnut Says:
    “If you want to know the official automotive sales figures try either the Australian Breareau of Statistics.[The one in Canberra that is; NOT the one on this site known as Dingo TP & Tomas Ltd] or even better try VFACTS. “

    So you already insulted us on this blog, and we haven’t even said anything !!!
    And it’s exactly the same thing, but even in a more direct manner on all the other blogs!!
    Don’t make refer to them also!!
    Wheelnut Says:
    “He never has anything positive to say about any other car. Yet calls himself a car enthusiast.!”
    Umm… Do you need some sclerosis medication or something?? Cos I can clearly remember him upping the falcon, and heaps of other non-toyota cars!!
    Wheelnut Says: “You either suffer from amnesia or like most Toyophiles on here only read the few parts of people’s comments that you want to or you understand. Because on a number of topics I have mentioned that I drive a White 02 Subaru Impreza 2.5 Litre RS Sedan ..”
    HEhehehe….. Nah, I remember and your point is?? My younger brother is selling his 06 impreza WRX, and he has been selling it for last 3 months! Heheheh, although I do agree it’s a bit harsh to be calling it an old bomb…
    Wheelnut Says: “We have made several serious well founded arguements to counter what Dingo and his many split personalities has GONE ON about on this site..”
    Saying that toyotas are bland and boring vehicles the handle bad, is an objective opinion, not a well founded argument!! And let me not even get started on realcars!!
    And as for split personalities, Just take a look at this blog, does GO Toyota impersonate anyone else?? Does Bavarian Missile impersonate Dingo’s Son?? Or Go Toyota himself??! …Bloody hell, This is what you get if you make her chain long enough to reach out of the kitchen!!! ;-)

  • Tomas79

    Sorry bad editing

    Wheelnut Says:” Because most topics on this site actually start-off with comments which actually relate to the car which the article is about – as not every topic on here is about Toyotas… or not at thebeginning anyway.
    Qoverall the comments are made in a civilised adult like manner; this goes on for about 20 comments or so… and then it stops.
    Why – Dingo makes his appearance and if the article is about a car which isn’t a Toyota [and there are a fair few cars out there that aren’t Toyotas] he degrades the look of the car the build quality or the reliability of it even if he hasn;t driven it etc…”

    Wheelnut, I respect that you are trying to communicate in an adult manner, but we all know what you just said above is a complete and utter lie!!
    Let’s look at his blog for example…
    Comment #4 (First dig aimed at Toyota)
    realcars Says:
    “How many Hilux Prados were sold?”

    Comment #7 (First Personal insult aimed at TP, Go Toyota, and myself)

    Wheelnut Says:
    “If you want to know the official automotive sales figures try either the Australian Breareau of Statistics.[The one in Canberra that is; NOT the one on this site known as Dingo TP & Tomas Ltd] or even better try VFACTS. “

    So you already insulted us on this blog, and we haven’t even said anything !!!
    And it’s exactly the same thing, but even in a more direct manner on all the other blogs!!
    Don’t make refer to them also!!

    Wheelnut Says:
    “He never has anything positive to say about any other car. Yet calls himself a car enthusiast.!”
    Umm… Do you need some sclerosis medication or something?? Cos I can clearly remember him upping the falcon, and heaps of other non-toyota cars!!
    Wheelnut Says: “You either suffer from amnesia or like most Toyophiles on here only read the few parts of people’s comments that you want to or you understand. Because on a number of topics I have mentioned that I drive a White 02 Subaru Impreza 2.5 Litre RS Sedan ..”

    HEhehehe….. Nah, I remember and your point is?? My younger brother is selling his 06 impreza WRX, and he has been selling it for last 3 months! Heheheh, although I do agree it’s a bit harsh to be calling it an old bomb…

    Wheelnut Says: “We have made several serious well founded arguements to counter what Dingo and his many split personalities has GONE ON about on this site..”

    Saying that toyotas are bland and boring vehicles the handle bad, is an objective opinion, not a well founded argument!! And let me not even get started on realcars!!

    And as for split personalities, Just take a look at this blog, does GO Toyota impersonate anyone else?? Does Bavarian Missile impersonate Dingo’s Son?? Or Go Toyota himself??! …Bloody hell, This is what you get if you make her chain long enough to reach out of the kitchen!!! ;-)

  • Glen

    Dingo say “Toyota has historically been a far superior company for engineering higher quality cars then Holden and Ford so refer me to those articles that have stated otherwise and i reserve no-doubt the Aurion will prove to be considerably more reliable and dependable.”

    Where’s your proof? That doesn’t sound like fact to me. You are basing your assumption on a reptutation. How can you honestly say that the Aurion is going to be more reliable or dependable than an FG Falcon? The FG has only been around for 4 months. And no-one yet has refuted my argument on those so-called “leaked surveys”.

    And where have I ever made up anything on this site?

  • No Name

    Oh come on TP – new Falcon the same as the old one. Seriously go read all the CA articles on the Falcon and digest them this time. You’ll realise that that comment was completely inaccurate. It may look vaguely the same but lets me tell you a secret….its different.

    Read the comparo – Falcon has its faults but read the last line ITS BETTER THAN THE AURION. PERIOD.

  • No Name

    Stop bleating Thomas old man – boring beyond repetition.

  • Glen

    Thomas79, that last comment is uncalled for, I don’t believe you know BM well enough to get away that comment.

    Thomas79 says “Saying that toyotas are bland and boring vehicles the handle bad, is an objective opinion, not a well founded argument!! And let me not even get started on realcars!!”

    And saying that Falcons and commodores are unreliable and such isn’t an objective opinion?

  • Joober

    This is nuts… FG hasnt been out that long, and yet there hasnt been any bad issues recalls, even more so it been awarded 5 stars through ancap, I can see no reason why the FG will be the upcoming car of the year, and its early days to judge it being unrealiable and perhaps it will be reliable and even more reliable than any Commodore or Aurion who knows…

    As it stands its a better car than any of the competitors this time round.

  • Tomas79

    Glen Says: “And saying that Falcons and commodores are unreliable and such isn’t an objective opinion?”

    Not if it is backed up by the reports!!

  • Tomas79

    Glen Says:”Thomas79, that last comment is uncalled for, I don’t believe you know BM well enough to get away that comment.”

    Glen, don’t get your panties in a knot!!
    You mean, she can dish out crap, yet never take any?!!

  • Glen

    Well tomas your basing your opinion on how you’ve interpreted those reports, and going on by previous postings of yours is wrong. I distinctly remember you saying that 55 percent of falcons are returned in the 1st 5 months of ownership because of engine failures. Whereas that report states that 51 percent of Falcons are returned to the dealership in the 1st 5 months of ownership without any note of why they were returned apart from a “fault”. Plus I just saw that “recent” survey news was from May 2007.

  • Glen

    Correction that particular survey was done from Jan-Jun 2006, so a 2 year old survey which preceeded the VE Commodore and BF2 Falcon.

  • Tomas79

    Spot on GO TOYOTA!!
    Also Glen, Wheelnut, please let me know what steps did Ford take inorder to improve the quality of the new FG falcon, as opposed previous model??

  • No Name

    I personally have a problem with the results of JD surveys, they are based on the owners ideas of their cars and there personal results of customer cars and reliability.
    I quote a Honda rep at the recent London motor show. “we did not fare well in the JD survey this year we were marked down for minor problems like the Civics fuel flap cover failing to open and build quality rattles”. Items like these punters remember but they are hardly considered to be substantial faults affecting real day to day reliabillity.
    I personally do not pay much attention to JD results.

  • No Name

    Thomas79 said”Also Glen, Wheelnut, please let me know what steps did Ford take inorder to improve the quality of the new FG falcon, as opposed previous model?? ”

    How are they supposed to verify that. You really are a twat of the highest order.

  • Glen

    Dingo

    1. Can’t seem to find that one

    2. Or this one

    3. Funny not this one either

    4. This is the 2 year old survey I was talking about dropkick.

    Seriously the only thing google is picking up is that old survey so that leads me to 1 of 2 conclusions.

    1. Either im looking in the wrong place or
    2. The results have not been released and your pulling things out of your backside again

    And going on previous experience with you I’d be thinking more of conclusion 2.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Gee some need to get some stiff hard uppercuts with there twisted beliefs…..where is Reg Reagan?

    When one reads comments by twerp TP, beverage sloshed Dingo and Thomarse its easy to shake head at the weirdo twist and belief system that there pin suited google glass wearing gene pool brought them up on as a grasshopper little un! They blurb they espouse is a laugh and a half and deluded at times!

  • Tomas79

    Naughtyius Maxiumus and No Name,
    If you little idiots have nothing intelligent to add, don’t waste our time!!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Thomarse………..gee whiz cyber geek the World does not revolve around Toyota bubble boys like you! Have an opinion and stick at it. Go back through and assess your comments before you throw mud back. Toyo Tosser!

  • gt2000

    here we go i will stick to the post! yes the market was down in july but that is normal for the first month of the new financial year there always is a pull forward in june. from my sources the market will remain slow till september then the usual end of year push the biggest mover in july was mazda and it looks like ford will be there next conquest, because they want the 3 spot in the market! toyota is way to far in front for holden to even worry about but the new ford may take some share of them but ford should watch out for mazda! there i did it!

  • AC COBRA

    Go Toyoda Sewing Machines Co Pty Ltd, Thomas79 and TP are all miners and one person named Dingo Dog from Drive.com, they don’t visit that site anymore because everyone are sick of thier boring bland survey dribble, so hopefully CA can ban these idiots and make CA a more pleasing place, the cars they drive are mining fleet Lolux’s and old tech Crapry’s, question is how in hell can any claims of being a enthusiast be true, go back to Drive.com where all this boring toyleta advertising dribble belongs.

    Toyoda are the most boring bland overrated crap boxes to ever grace Australian roads, so why do people buy them, thats easy, the marketing is spot on luring people who don’t care what they drive.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey NM nice to see hear from you ,if only Tomas knew what you and No Name looked like ,I doubt he would be such a hero in person if he did!

    Quote “Ford should watch out for Mazda”,I think you mean Toyota don’t you? As Ford own a major share in Mazda I don’t think they have anything to worry about somehow.

    Thanks for the support Glen,I owe you one babe!

    Tomas as Ive mentioned before there are insults and insults you went below the belt,and for your info I was not doubling as Dingos son last night.Still waiting for you to prove yourself as car enthusiast. Oh and you have been reported,so keep it up mate you’ll find yourself banned.

  • Tomas79

    Boohooo… Bavarian Missile, you want a tissue?!
    I have started reporting all your, and your buddies off topic crap too!! And there is way more around, then what i have posted!!

  • Bret

    Quote Dingo
    “JD Powers 2007 Quality / Customer survey of Western Australian Motorists”

    I remeber the one, thats the one that serveyed 0.015% (yes thats the real number)of new car owners, so it must be real accurate – not.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Tomas I dont care about the off topic crap that you seem so fond to post,Im talking about the insults that you seem to continue to revert to in every post when you dont have a constructive thing to say!

    Back on topic.

    Australia has but a cold when it comes to a down turn, compared to the full dose of the flu the US has at present.

    The US market that has taken an absolute tumble in SUVs not excluding Toyota’s with a huge deficit of 27 per cent in truck and four-wheel drives,Toyota has also announced that its operating profit took a 39% plunge from lower sales in both the United States and Europe, the increased value of the Yen and higher cost of raw materials I guess haven’t helped! Just as well they Toyota have the Prius to fall back on in the States!

    Something interesting I watch earlier today was the fuel consumption comparison test between a GXL Petrol Cruiser and a Diesel one.The cost difference of $10,000 between the two meant that you would have to have the diesel FOR 12 YEARS before you would start to recoup your money back in fuel savings,$10,000 difference in price,hard to justify spending it unless your after more torque for towing!

  • Bret

    BM,
    Thats a lot of trips to school and the soccer oval!

  • Tomas79

    Bavarian Missile,
    By “off topic crap” i mean off topic personal insults, which you and your buddies tend to do a lot on here!!

  • Tomas79

    As for Diesel Landcruiser costing more to up keep then a Petrol one, that is old news, and it all depends what you are planning to use it for.
    Let’s not forget that most modern diesel these days have a service interval equal to their petrol conterparts. Eg. 10,000Km. And with diesels the fuel consumption increases at a significantly lower rate to a petrol engine, with respect to an increase in load. So the fuel economy is even better in diesels, when towing or offroad.

  • gt2000

    i agree tomas79 we try to be constructive and still get abused i am just waiting for the so called CA ban for the constant abuses! AND ITS NOT US!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Hey Brett who keeps a car for 12 years anyway,absolute false economy.

    Tomas point is in case you’ve missed it is if your thinking of buying a diesel Cruiser cause their more fuel efficient dont bother unless your planning on keeping it forever.

    Oh and GT2000 dont make me laugh you sound like the innocent party when like your other 2 counterparts you 3 are the worst of them all,shall I do a search to remind you of the below the belt insults you’ve mentioned regarding me,cause at no stage have I dropped to your level! Lets see how long it will take for you both to start shall we!

  • Tomas79

    Bavarian Missile,
    No you didn’t have a point, you just dribbled fluff!!
    It won’t take you 12 years to make up the saving, and it all depends on what you are using it for!!
    All so, be more specific, as i told you before there is too many landcruisers around!! And even more petrol and engine configurations to choose from!! With some diesels you can start making savings from day one, given the difference in fuel price and consumptions, so don talk sh1t!!

  • Bavarian Missile

    Gee that didnt take you long to start with insults did it Tomas,point proven you think!

    Sorry I didn’t know I had to be PERFECTLY clear for you to comprehend what I was getting at,both vehicles were 200 series and the comparison was done by Wheels magazine ,I would imagine he would have been taking the average ks covered a year into account when comparing both of them.So I have no idea how you think I was talking sh1t when I was stating facts,you do know what FACTS are don’t you ? Other wise perhaps you could enlighten me in how you can recoup $10,000 the moment you start driving the Diesel version ,mmmmmm

  • realcars

    Good point BM and although obvious seems to escape Thomas69.

  • realcars

    Anyway Thomas69 paid 65k for a Hilux which says it all really.LOL.

  • realcars

    Thomas69 is your Hilux diesel or petrol?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    65K for a Hilux! WHAT A DILL (not the herb)! The more they blurb the deeper they get away with pixies!

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Only the depth varies with these Toyo Pullers! LMAO

  • Bavarian Missile

    Um Dingo I was talking cars,seems you have started your post with rot not me! As you side kick Tomas doesn’t have an answer for me perhaps you can enlighten me with your answer to the question I put forward to him,without insults preferably!

    You do service them after all!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Trouble is most on here are obsessed with one car maker…..a car enthusiast like myself truly does not support one car maker. I have always stated the Yaris shytes all over over curved Mazda 2 as way curvy and overdone! I support the new Falcon over Aurion now whereas before Aurion was at top with previous model Falcon and VE Commodore. Unlike you wallies with your Toyotas deep deep deep down your have Toyota’s in your genes!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Get that Toyota doll outta you backside and smell the look of being a car enthusiast!

  • http://aca Go Toyota

    What was the question and i will answer it !!

    I’m not longout of bed and haven’t read all the posts.

  • Bavarian Missile

    You want me to what Dingo?

    Enter a p1ssing contest with you,what is that going to prove?

    Being a one brand hero and lover doesn’t make you knowledgeable, I would prefer to class myself as a performance car enthusiast and owner of many makes, not just a reader of articles that you form opinions from!

    Have to shoot off ,but Ill be back!

  • Tomas79

    Bavarian Missile Says: ” I have no idea how you think I was talking sh1t when I was stating facts,you do know what FACTS are don’t you Other wise perhaps you could enlighten me in how you can recoup $10,000 the moment you start driving the Diesel version ,mmmmmm ”

    As i said, “With some diesels you can start making savings from day one”

    Case 1) Prado Standard, is the cheapests trim of the Prado range, and comes only in diesel!! Given that the fuel ADR figure of the diesel is 9.2/100km and 13.5l/100km for the petrol! And todays cheapest price on fuelwatch is $1.719 per L for diesel 1.421 per L for petrol.
    Therefore Per 100km the diesel costs $15.81 dollars, while for Petrol the distance costs is $19.18.
    And yes, they both have a service interval of 10,000Km

    Hows that for facts?!!

  • Tomas79

    Realcars, calling a Prado a Hilux only shows your dum you really, and should be banned for trying to steer up arguments!! CAR ADVICE please take note!!

    Also, i would prefer the Prado to share the hiluxes platform, you dill!! Especially the chassis!! But it doesn’t!!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Your forgetting one vital ingredient…..you support Toyota and cant chat to someone some worked up that have to call themself GO TOYOTA and whatnot! Your the one obsessed about one car maker and not me! So wake up.

    Fact….I like the Hyundai i30 over all others, ditto Yaris over Mazda 2, ditto new Falcon over all overs, Mazda 6 over all others, I like Hyundai and Kia how they refresh model range and design look they now go down. You are more absorbed in your Toyota bubble world….and look at miniscule things on cruising the geeksville internet superhighway!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Looks and first impressions count! I want to be seen in a refreshed vibrant alive look and not a sedate look!

  • Tomas79

    GO Toyota,
    Thanks for your support, Yep, I have the new 3.0L D4d Prado, with the 5 speed auto gear box, with 34% more power, and 2L/100km lower consumption.Just got it 3 months ago, after ordering it and waiting for it for over 6 months, on pradopoint forum, there is people having to wait 9 months for certain models…

    Yeah, the hilux is a brilliant ute, and in a personal opion, the only good looking one on the Australian market!!
    If i was in the market for a ute, I’d definitively get a Hilux!! I’d even consider the TRD!

    Will a a HSV maloon get you to your favourite fishing spot??

    See how the Hiluxes, and the 79/78 series utes simply just dominate mine sites!! I wonder why ford or holdens aren’t successfull in this sector??They have been around longer, and with the government subsidies they are daily fed, and with the local development they claim they do, they should have been able to tople toyota easily??!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    1. This is not a game and nothing to do with showing you up
    2. You are too really focussed on Toyota (always)
    3. Looks and design are not high on your list
    4. Your comments at times odd as

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Din-Go Toyota]:Glen – the VE Commodore has performed poorly were Quality, reliability and depndable is the topic and has been heavily critised accordingly, i can list a dozen faults striaght of the cuff now.

    I have a new magazine at present titled ‘Australian New Car Buyer’ and it heavily critises the VE bigtime.

    When i get home in the morning i will be happy to quote the numerous comments were they slam the poor quality and unreliable nature of the Commodore.

    Yet the FACT remains; despite all that the VE still managed to win Wheels Car Of The Year award 2 times in a row beating all other cars available on the Australian market including BMWs and Toyotas… So your point is?

  • Bavarian Missile

    Gee Tomas not sure how many times I have to repeat myself,at no point did I say the Diesel wasn’t cheaper to run what I said was to recoup the extra 10k you spend on it its going to take you 12 years………so again how am talking sh1t?

    Oh and as far as the Rollux goes on mine sites………pffttt they have just started using them again on most mine sites here in the WEST due to the amount of roll overs they had in the past,but thats an argument Dingo still denies to this day even though an engineer mate of mine from Rio here in the West has profusely explained on many a time to Dingo! Oh and that engineer mate of mine ordered a Prado Grande last year waiting time 2 weeks,waiting time for the BF GT he ordered at the same time that sold out in 2 weeks, 2 months !

  • TP

    Drive has voted the Aurion car of the year for two years now. A more credible source then Wheels or should I say Commodore Magazine.

  • Wheelnut

    QUOTE [Din-Go Toyota] Bavarian – wether CA wants me here or not is not revalent as they provide a service to the community

    How is it a community service. I mean meals on wheels is a community service as they provide food for those who are unable to cook for themselves who are usually elderly and live on their own. How does CA improve anyones life let alone provide them with the necessities to survive etc?

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    TP….Aurion is good but coming behind new Falcon. The new Falcon looks better then an Aurion and it is now much better on safety, looks and design. It is now world class heaps.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote Tomas – Will a a HSV maloon get you to your favourite fishing spot??

    The maloo doesn’t have to get me to my favourite fishing spot….. I don’t have one! as I regard fishing to be nearly as boring as Curling.

    Not only that I am a car enthusiast – If you like fishing so much go to http://www.itwasthisbig.com

  • Bavarian Missile

    um Paul, Drives car of the year is the BMW M3! Not the Aurion!

  • Wheelnut

    Hey Tomas79 – I wouldn’t bag Old Commodores or Falcons that much if I was you because given that petrol is expected to exceed $2.50 a litre and you will be lucky to get more than $14k for you TOORAK TRACTOR.. It could well be that a EB Falcon or VL Commodore is all you will be able to afford – given tht they last longer and there are still more of them

  • TP

    Drives LARGE car of the year. NM better in looks? No. The Falcon is by no means an ugly car but conservative styling has meant that it looks like the outgoing model with a few more curves

  • AC COBRA

    Ford Ranger is a fantastic ute, and in my personal opinion, the only good looking one on the Australian market!!
    If I was in the market for a ute, I’d definitively buy a Ford Ranger.

    Will a overrated Toyoda get you to your favourite fishing spot?? Hmmmmmmmm NO WAY because it is labeled as boring, bland, whitegood transport you would die of boredom after 20 Kms of driving !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    See how the Ranger’s, and the Falcon series utes simply just dominate building sites!! I wonder why Toyoda aren’t successfull in this sector?? They have been around longer, and with the government subsidies they are daily fed, and with the local development they claim they do, they should have been able beat Ford into submission, but I guess Ford have a superior product called the FG Falcon a car Toyleta can’t match in any department.

    Go Ford !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Toyleta Fans are jealous that Ford are much better….

  • No Name

    Dingo you said “JD Powers, Consumer Choice and even our own – RAC – are all reputable organisations in thier field.”
    I’m not disputing the fact that JD powers and the RAC are reputable. All i’m saying is that when Thomas79yrold’s door handle falls off his Prado he give Toyota an inordinate amount of grief for something that is not really such a bad problem.
    Just acknowledge that Toyota in the USA have had over 3million recalls in the last 3 or so years (oooch!!!)then you may get off that barrel that Toyota have brianwashed you to lie over so they can take you how they like.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Truly as an enthuistast of cars I really like the lines on the new Falcon. Where Ford are failing is they are slow in releasing exciting Euro slick looks as run by Dearborn USA too much! They put constraints onto designs too much and that is reason why Ford RS! They have some slick lookers….but by the time they bring them out, Toyota and GM and to some extent VW and Hyundai and KIA have upped look and style.

    I always have said I like the Aurion…..but against a Falcon it looks way behind and I will say clearly that the Falcon will get awards left right and centre!

  • John

    I don’t want too offend but lets face facts. Ford is one of the only local makers too show growth because when you look at their pisspoor sales for the falcon etc. the only way too go is up. Any lower and you would be selling no cars at all. Only 3000 fg’s found a home in June. I would have expected alot better than that. VE found almost 6000 homes in it’s first month on sale in 06. Why if the FG is so good does ford struggle too sell them?

  • John

    What am I saying. Toyota is showing huge growth across the board. Don’t read posts on here and take that as gospel John. I have been told for years by friends that falcons are way better than commodores. Then I ask them “if falcons are so good why does nobody buy them”? All I get is blank stares and silence. Gold!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Read my comment previous as vacuum effect as model range not up there! The Falcon is one facet – when other models get released like KA, FIESTA, MONDEO (wagon), KUGA, VERVE you will see an improvement. I draw line on hack designs like previous KA which lined up with new one looks light years improved! This will have a flow on effect and this is reason why Ford was on nose. Give it 15months and some serious new model releases (if they occur in the 15months which assume will occur) then you will see improvement in sales numbers! The old looks worldwide have not been purchased as average looking!

  • realcars

    U waited six months for it Thomas69.Lol

    If u had of know that Prado and Hilux are Two of the same u would only have had to wait weeks for an SR5 and saved money on what is essentially the same vehicle.LOL.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Ah you mean BEST LARGE CAR Paul not Drives Car of the Year, that went to the M3, big difference!

  • Wheelnut

    TP You said that the Aurion was Drives car of the year then when BM told you it wwas the M3 you stated it was the Large Car of the year.. even so that doens’t alter the fact that the M3 is the Overall Car ot the year.

    Back in the days when Bathurst 1000 was more of a production car race you had a range of categories racing within the race.. and even though in a particular year a Datto 1600 may have won its category noone really cares.. all they remember is the overall Bathurst winner.

  • realcars

    Isn’t the Drive award rather bogus as it relies on the general public voting for their choice on the net and we all know how fanatical some Toyota supporters are.LOL.

  • realcars

    Drive says good things about all cars. It’s more like a car infommercial rather than a new car appraisal site.

  • Wheelnut

    That’s right – Drive[l] even found something food to say about the Daihatsu Copen.

  • Wheelnut

    Ah yes John but if Toyotas are so good why don’t you see that many older models [10 yars+] on the roads as you do Fords and Holdens>

    This is a question I ahve asked the other 3 Toyota fans and all they come back with is that Ford and Holden sold mor cars because they’ve have been around longer.

    Duurrr… But take 1958 [the year Toyota started in oz] as a starting point..
    If Toyota were/are so much better than Ford and Holden then surely the Aussie motorist would have realised this and switched over to Toyota within 10 years which would possibly have meant that Toyota became number one in the mid 1960′s – not some 50 years later..

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Tomas79]: “….And as for split personalities, Just take a look at this blog, does GO Toyota impersonate anyone else?? Does Bavarian Missile impersonate Dingo’s Son?? Or Go Toyota himself??!

    What – you think that Bavarian Missile; a woman who you accuse of being ignorant because her “love” for toyotas isn’t as deep and consuming as yours is.. would all of a sudden turn around and start praising Toyotas and their “achievements” etc on the same blog topic?

    People who have been on this site as long as BM has [which is longer than you] know what she and many others including myself think of Toyota.. that is they are reasonably good practical cars but nowhere near as desirable or awe inspiring as its simarly priced rivals. Whereas Go Toyotas are all like “Toyota are better because they are Toyota.”

  • Ralph the Malph

    Hi There – Hey Go Toyota – I’m in the market for a new car. I’d like a large wagon preferably diesel, up to date with all the gear i.e. rain sensing wipers, blue tooth etc etc. I really don’t want a 4WD (Prado) due to fuel concerns besides the wife wouldn’t drive such cumbersome thing. Would a camry wagon or aurion wagon come with a diesel. Can you advise please.

  • TP

    Wagons are for 80 years olds. Youll want to buy a boring Falcon or Commodore for one of those.

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Tomas79[: Wheelnut Says: “We have made several serious well founded arguements to counter what Dingo and his many split personalities has GONE ON about on this site..”

    Saying that Toyotas are bland and boring vehicles the handle bad, is an objective opinion, not a well founded argument!!

    No but in a number of our replies we state that Ford or Holden are just as good in one particular area - such as perfomance handling and design.... as Toyota are in another -like marketing for example.

    No single car manufacturer is 100% perfect in every facet of their business etc..

    If Toyota were perfect you would expect we would all be drivng them. The FACT that we're not means that they don't suit everyones needs.. they're not what everyone wants in a car - as surprising as that may sound.

    Sure he brings up some points for us to think about in relation To Toyota just as we do with Fords and Holdens - the only difference being the majority of Dingos comments are backed up with emotional/opinon based not to mention manipulated surveys]

    But Dingos “Toyota is better because they;re Toyota” attiude prevents him from recognising accetping or understanding that.. so he goes off again repeating the same thing over and over again adnauseum.

    Hes like the Boy who cried wolf – he goes on about Toyota so much that he becomes boring/annoying.. and just like the boy who cried wolf; when he does make a valid point no one pays any attention to him because to them its just Dingo going off again.
    If only he had taken a different more civilised approach in the beginning – that is accepted the FACT that not everyone is as obsessed with Toyotas as much as he is… theb maybe people would listen to him now.

  • TP

    Yes BM there is a big difference… in the price tag between the two vehicles.

  • Wheelnut

    TP: Wagons are for 80 years olds. Youll want to buy a boring Falcon or Commodore for one of those.

    Why would a coupel of 60 year olds want a big V6 or V8 wagon when: The kids have left home; they only drive to church on sundays or 5 minutes up the road to the shops or they live in a retirement village or nursing home?

    Wagons are more for Families and those who actually have a life and have to take the kids to soccer buy a trolley load of groceries; carry odd bits of furniture or sporting equipment.

    80 year olds dont need a car like that which is why they opt for a little runabout like a Yaris and you say us Holden . Ford fans are out of Touch with reality

  • Ralph the Malph

    TP – I assume thats your answer to my question. But acording to this Ford/Holden are dull. besides I’d love the reliability of a Toyota, so what wagon could have from the Toyota range?

  • Fred

    Ralph, Toyota don’t offer anything to suit your needs, as they are all either cumbersome 4WD “trucks” or use too much fuel.
    Try a Mondeo wagon with diesel (here soon).

  • Fred

    Dingo, private sales are down, fleets up. That would explain Toyota’s good numbers.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Read my Ford comment…..they are redoing range and so is Holden.

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Geepers TP…..wagons are for 80yrs olds! LOL. The Ford wagon is older at around 101yrs old, but the Sportswagon is more vibrant then Toyota’s best (around 30yrs old…..so assuming the 80yrs olds your spruik about is a Toyota lover). LOL your funny with your comment!

  • http://. Naughtyius Maxiumus

    Naughtyius Maxiumus Says:
    August 8th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    Change point 4 oddball to majority and “NOT” at times!

    Point 2 is evident tooooooooooooooooo much with you and the only way to deal with your many names is ignore such drivel. Do you work……I know you do with rsi of wrist as your incy wincy comments about everything boring is oveflowing!

  • Ralph the Malph

    Oh but GO Toyota – i did say I did not want a 4×4. What I really need is a wagon and I favour a diesel.
    Yes the mondeo would do perhaps even the stylish commodor sportswagon but I really need that reliability you kinda get with Toyota.
    I looked at their website but couldn’t see any diesel cars or wagons. I hope they do have them or its a serious ommission. Why? Everyone else does them, I see that even the Epica comes with a diesel engine now and they have rather nice Astra wagon in diesel as well.

  • Ford FG Receive Five Star’s, Toyota Big Fat Zero.

    July Private Car sales …

    1. Ford – 10 521 / 60.4 %
    2. Holden – 9 148 / 59.3 %
    .
    .
    12. Toyota – 923 / 2.3 % Private sales are low, very sad indeed.

    YTD 2008 … Fleet Sales

    1. Toyota – 147 961 / 33.6 %
    2. Holden – 78 271 / 12.5 %
    3. Ford – 63 933 / 10.2 %

    The resale for Toyota is very bad, they need to slow down fleet sales.

  • Ralph the Malph

    Uh Toyota Go – touched a nerve have I. I wouldn’t want a hybrid with crap performance and no gians in economy over a diesel. Just proving point that Toyota have no diesels in their car range in Australia, No Wagons in there car range in Australia. Your blinkered beyond all doubts. Got you hook, line and sinker there. Oooch!

    SUV’s and 4×4 selling in record number. SUV’s mayby but not 4 x 4′s certainly not in the USA and UK where sales are in collapse with people choosing more economical vehicle instead.

    By the way Dingo I don’t criticise Toyota – They are obviously proven vehicles with outstanding reliability and customer service that both Ford & Holden cannot currently match. I believe a lot of the Toyota slating here is only as a result of your own actions and comments. Folk here realise they are good vehicles in their own merit and are only having a good sport at your expense.
    Yours truly signed No Name Oooch!

  • Ralph the Malph

    Admittedly the IS sells well here but the road test of the IS220 diesel state it falls waaaay short of others performance. Apprently the gearing is all to c0ck, so Lexus had to release a sport version with different gearing which improved things but not enough. I personally don’t think the IS is quite the cpackage its made out to be. Theres less rear leg room in the IS than there is in a Mazda 2 for instance. Thats one of the first things I look at in a car, how comfortable will the children be.

    You have forgotten Toyotas 2.0 diesel a quiet performer but not a patch on the local stuff.

    Please take note that the mighty Toyota sell 1/6th of the cars that Ford and GM sell here.

  • http://aca Go Toyota

    Realcars – the only major engineering simiarities between a Hilux and the Prado are the shared engines which co-incidentally are strong, hearty, robust, reliable / dependable donks.

    The chassis’s are infact different but even if they were the same … it will make absolutely no differance becuase the Hilux is damn good unit to begin with anyway.

    Oh yeah – if Toyota ranks strong in Customer Satisfaction Surveys becuase of fanatical Toyota supporters, then it really does suggest nothing about Holden and Ford because obviously even thier supporters don’t have much good to report about ‘em either … OOCH !!

    You are a easy push-over … !!

    Better not push to hard otherwise you’ll fall over.

  • http://aca Go Toyota

    Wheelnut – you are absolutely completely correct and i could not have said it better myself.

    Wagons are for people with a life which is exactly why SUV’s and 4×4′s have bucked the trend and become popular. Infact, the sales of these vehicles continue to strengthen and incase you haven’t noticed … the RAV4, Kluger, Prado, Hilux and Landcruisers are all solid performers.

    Better still, you have been one of the characters to critise Toyota as a cardigan company yet defended 80 year olds for having no use for large vehicles.

    Durrr … isn’t that the reason why there are variety of vehicles of all shapes and sizes to choose from including what’s in the Toyota stable.

    Gee Wheelnut – you are really on fire at the moment ain’t ‘ya !!

    Oh yeah, incase you haven’t noticed … not every body is obsessed with Holdens and Fords and if you and someothers weren’t such fools all the time, maybe … just maybe – some people might take you fanatics (aka self cliamed car enthusiasts) a little more seriuosly.

    Have a think about it champ !!

  • Wheelnut

    Quote [Din-Go Toyota]: Ralph – RAV4, Kluger, Prado, Landcruiser and perhaps even a Hilux should satisfy your wagon requirements.

    So now you are referiing to the Prado/Landcruiser as a Wagon…? they are primarily Off Road vehicles and compete with Pajeros and Patrols not with SEDAN Based Wagons like the ones from Holden Saab Mazda Peugeot BMW Mercedes Benz VW or Audi.. which also include diesels

    Because the traditional station/sportwagon is in a completely different market let alone price range to the Landcruiser not to mention built for completely different purposes.

    As for the Kluger its a Compact Soft-Roader whose direct rivals within its category are the Forester; Territory; Captiva X-Trail and CRV

    However by doing so [once again] proves my point that Toyota Fans like to compare apples with oranges or Yaris with Konigsieggs.

    And your reply also shows that you don’t read what people say in full because Ralph said

    Hi There – Hey Go Toyota – I’m in the market for a new car. I’d like a large wagon preferably diesel, up to date with all the gear i.e. rain sensing wipers, blue tooth etc etc. I REALLY DON’T WANT A 4WD (Prado) due to fuel concerns besides THE WIFE WOULDN’T DRIVE SUCH A CUMBERSOME THING

    He doesn’t want a Toorak Tractor 4WD Mobile Fortress!!

  • Wheelnut

    Dingo says – “if you and some others weren’t such fools all the time, maybe … just maybe – some people might take you fanatics (aka self cliamed car enthusiasts) a little more seriuosly.”

    We could say the same thing about you Dingo [refer to my comment where I mention how your behaviour is similar to that of the boy who cried wolf.]

    You may feel that I am obsessed with Holdens [ not as much as you are about Toyota though] However; that is because just like you I will argue any points against Holden that I believe to be incorrect as others will in relation to Ford.

  • Bavarian Missile

    Quote “TP Says:
    August 8th, 2008 at 9:34 pm

    Yes BM there is a big difference… in the price tag between the two vehicles.

    TP price doesn’t come into it when being judged as the CAR OF THE YEAR by Drive,the Aurion didn’t get it simple as that.

  • http://aca Go Toyota

    Wheelnut – let me get this straight … you don’t appreciate me comparing SUV’s or 4×4 wagons to sedan based units (Commodore) yet it was completely justifable to compare a Maloo Ute to a TRD Hilux (4×4)

    You swap and change any senario just to suit yur needs from topic to topic.

    Shall we revisit that particular topic and see what you had to say and then compare those results to your latest comment.

    referance : Ralph the Malph aka No name dated 08 August 09:50pm

    quote

    ” What wagon can i have from the Toyota range”

    Correct me if i am wrong but my reply was posted after that particular comment and not his first when he specifically referred to having no interest in 4WD’s

    And Wheelnut … be assured i will counter your claims that i consider to be untruth, stupid or just downright wrong.

    If you want to play games, go for it – i have all the time i want on my hands today.

  • http://aca Go Toyota

    Bavarian – the Aurion has received many rewards in it’s short stint on the Australian market todate including back to back ‘Large Car Of The Year’ by Drive.com.au, the same with Cars Guide and ‘Golden Star Awards’ with WHEELS. I believe RAC has pinned a gong on it aswell.

    These are just what i can remember straight of the cuff without further thought.

    The FG is a good car and i will not take that away from Ford but incase you haven’t noticed over the years, the industry is a constant game of leap frog and you can be assured Toyota won’t remain still with further development of the Aurion.

  • Andrew M

    is this crap still going???

    i forget where it was up to.

    oh well, i got better things to do anyway

  • Wheelnut

    I have never compared a Maloo to a TRD Hilux – [even though Car Advice had an article on it earlier this year]

    I merely responded saying that both the Maloo and the Hilux are perfect for doing what they are primarily designed to do.. given that the hilux is more suitable for off-road use whereas the Sedan based Holden Utes are much better on the road..

    As I have driven both of them I can tell you that If I wanted a Jacked Up PICK-UP to go off road etc I would most likely buy a Hilux [Not a Rodeo as you may have guessed].. However; as I prefer sedan like performance and handling I would go for an XR6T/Pursuit/F6 or SS/Maloo UTE

    Even though Ralph may have an interest in 4x44s However; [on Aug 8 at 9:14pm] he asked you what WAGON you think he should get and specified that he DOESN’T want A 4X4..

    And in your response to him you suggested a Landcruiser Prado or Hilux which correct me if i am wrong are 4x4s… which proves that you DON’T read peoples comments in FULL

    That is all.

  • http://aca Go Toyota

    Wheelnut – i do and that’s why i choose to respond to the one i did. You are gonna have to be alot more on the ball today if you wonna maintain the challenge.

    read what i wrote and then tell me if it’s wrong … !!!

    I’ll be waiting

    If you want help, just ask … i’m a nice person

  • Wheelnut

    You responded to the comment Ralph made at 9:50am
    Yet he made his first comment at 9.14pm inwhich stated that he didn’t want a 4×4 which is why at 11.57pm Ralph came back and told you that he didn’t wat a 4×4.

    When you make a return to a blog after a reasonably long absence.. like working on Toyota Diesel 4x4s on a mine site [oh that's right Toytas are so reliable they don't need repairs]

    Its an idea to go back to your last comment before you flogged off to see what has transpired since then.. That way you are more going to be more upto date more informed and able to make more intelligent appropriate responses.. instead of just picking comments at random

    Because before your reply to Ralph at 10.02pm your last comment was at 4.45pm – that’s 5 1/4 hours later in which time there were 40 odd comments including Ralphs original statement where he said he didn’t want a 4×4…. the one you obviously missed

  • http://aca Go Toyota

    Wheelnut – there are no prizes for second place.

    Ralph aka no name asked what wagon is available from Toyota and i listed the options.

    Read my statement and then tell me if i am wrong … if you want help, just ask !!

  • Wheelnut

    Ralph did ask what WAGONS Toyota make yet in his earlier post he specified he didn’t want a 4×4.

    you read and replied to his second blog and therefore didn’t get the full story as you missed his first blog advised him to look at the Landcruiser and Prado which aren’t WAGONS they are Full Size 4x4s [Off Roaders]

    I mean have you ever heard a Landcruiser owner say “I own a Landcruiser Wagon” – they simply say I own a Landcruiser because everyone knows a Landcruiser is a Full Size 4×4 add NOT a Wagon

    I can understand having to specify beteween commodore Wagon Sedan or Ute because there are differnet stylse but a Landcruiser is a Landcruiser pure and simple

    And where in magazines or brochures etc does it say “The Landcruiser Wagon”?

    which is why he re-iterated the point that he didn’t want a 4×4

    The RAV4 is a Compact Soft-Roader Not a Wagon However thee Kluger is the closest thing to a wagon in the traditional sense of a car being a sedan based vehicle built to carry 4-5 people with an integrated enclosed cargo area and tailgate

    BTW: A Hearse isn’t a Wagon nor is a Panelvan

    Landcruisers aren’t Waggons – unless you are like Tomas79 who uses Broad/General definitions like – a Car is any wheeled vehicle which would even include a Wheel barrow unicycle or skateboard.. Get Real

    If I was Ralph I would look more at Peugeots or VWs as they offer really nice looking and diesel wagons with an impressive list of standard features

  • Wheelnut

    Here it is Dingo – Just for you

    Ralph the Malph Says:
    August 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
    Hi There – Hey Go Toyota – I’m in the market for a new car. I’d like a large wagon preferably diesel, up to date with all the gear i.e. rain sensing wipers, blue tooth etc etc. I really don’t want a 4WD (Prado) due to fuel concerns besides the wife wouldn’t drive such cumbersome thing. Would a camry wagon or aurion wagon come with a diesel. Can you advise please.

    Note the Time 9:14 which was bfore your reply

    Go Toyota Says:
    August 8th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
    Ralph – RAV4, Kluger, Prado, Landcruiser and perhaps even a Hilux should satisfy your wagon requirements.

    Amoung those vehicles you will have the option of a 4cyl, V6, V8, petrol and diesel derivatives.

    Happy motoring

    Missing the point completely – so Ralph had to re-iterate with

    Ralph the Malph Says:
    August 8th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
    Oh but GO Toyota – i did say I did not want a 4×4. What I really need is a wagon and I favour a diesel.

    You obviously went off his reply to TP

    Ralph the Malph Says: August 8th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
    TP – I assume thats your answer to my question. But acording to this Ford/Holden are dull. besides I’d love the reliability of a Toyota, so what wagon could have from the Toyota range?

    TP also missed the point because his response to Ralphs post at 9:14 was

    TP Says: August 8th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
    Wagons are for 80 years olds. You’ll want to buy a boring Falcon or Commodore for one of those.

    When ralph clearly asked which TOYOTA DIESEL WAGON should he get..So don’t feel too bad TP misunderstood what Ralphw was asking too!

  • My Aurion is broken

    Go Toyota I need your help.
    My new Aurion TRD recently stopped going.
    It just makes a horrible clanking noise went I try to start it and blows clouds of black smoke.
    My ex husband doesn’t want to know about it and has left me with the repayments and says it is now cheaper to buy than when we bought it together.
    What do I do?

  • Tomas79

    Dam, there is so much bogan jibber jabber on here, too bad I got to go, and can’t Address it all tonight…

    Wheelnut Says:
    “I mean have you ever heard a Landcruiser owner say “I own a Landcruiser Wagon” – they simply say I own a Landcruiser because everyone knows a Landcruiser is a Full Size 4×4 add NOT a Wagon”

    Well, what does a landcruiser 79 owner driver then???
    OOCCHH…

    Case 2,
    Type in “landcruiser” into the car advice search box, and then look for the 4th entry that comes up..
    “2007 Toyota LandCruiser 76 Series GXL Wagon review”
    OOOCCHHH….

    Case 3,
    Type in “landcruiser 2008” into the car advice search box, and then look for the 2nd entry that comes up..

    “2008 Toyota LandCruiser Wagon”
    OOOOOOCCCCCCCHHHHHHHH….

  • Tomas79

    My Aurion is broken Says:
    August 9th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    “Go Toyota I need your help.
    My new Aurion TRD recently stopped going.
    It just makes a horrible clanking noise went I try to start it and blows clouds of black smoke.
    My ex husband doesn’t want to know about it and has left me with the repayments and says it is now cheaper to buy than when we bought it together.
    What do I do?”

    Check the badge, its definately a Ford FALCON, not a toyota!!

  • Wheelnut

    Adding the word Wagon is pretty much superfluous as its widely accepted that a Landcruiser is; a Landcrusier.. everyone knows what they look like and they know it’s a Full Size 4×4 Off Road Vehicle.

    I mean you don’t hear people say I drive a Ferrari Coupe do you.. just saying you own a Ferrari is enough

    Oh and I doubt that very few people either in the industry or on the street would ever refer to or regard the Landcruiser as being anything like a “Wagon.”

    A “wagon” is more like an Audi Allroad; BMW Touring; Volvo V70; or Commodore Sportwagon – all of which are derived from and built on the same platform as a passenger sedan.

    They are two different vehicles in the same way the Hilux is a Pick up and the Maloo is a ute.

    However; adding the word Pick Up or Personnel/Troop Carrier if you happen own a 79 Series Landcruiser does make sense

    Nonetheless the Fact remains Dingo missed Ralphs first comment where he statd that he Didn’t/Doesn’t want a 4×4 which is what the Landcruiser [essentially] is! – He didn’t have the full story

  • Fred

    Dingo, yes sales of SUV’s and 4WD’s are up, but they are fleet sales. Private sales have fallen by more than large cars.
    Fleet sales are proping up Toyota’s truck sales.

  • My Aurion is broken

    I agree Wheelnut they didn’t bother reading Ralph the malph’s question.

    It’s now obvious that everybody apart from Thomas69 knows that the Prado is a Hilux and not a Landcruiser.

    If it makes u feel better Thomas69 we can pretend it’s built on the “Lexus line”.LOL

    In fact the old original Kluger was based on a Lexus which was probably based on a Camry to start with.LOL.

  • No Name

    Good on yah wheelnut. I don’t believe a minute dingo had not read Ralph’s (me) comments. He answered the question attempting to sell me a bloody great 4×4. Its rather obvious what I was doing, pointing out that Toyota didn’t have a wagon in their car line up. Drongo obviously doesn’t know Toyotas full range, whilst they do not have a pure wagon they do indeed have the versio (Corolla versio in the UK) which is pretty much a wagon nearly. Just goes to show how blinkered Toyotaphiles are. Thank god we don;t all drive them. Good on yah wheelnut. Bad luck Dingo you lost that one. ;)