Realcars the octane rating of E10 is 94 RON. This rating is not an indication of how dense the fuel is but how resistant to knocking the fuel is. Premium fuel is denser than regular but being denser has the added benefit of a higher octane rating. Ethanol is more resistant to knock than gasoline, so is LPG which has a rating of 102 RON i think but I know its high. I think you’ll agree LPG isn’t dense.

We can all live in bark huts and ride push bikes and it’s not going to make a bit of difference unfortunately.

AS much I hate the concept Nuclear Power and Hydrogen powered cars is the eventual solution if we are to save this planet.

..or move half the population to MARS!!!

As the old saying goes.. having a car is not a right, its a privilage.

The last time I checked Joober we were living in a democracy. For the same reason having a driving licence is also a right.

As an aside, I’ve often wondered why we don’t pay for petrol per kW/H, or megajoule like we do any other energy source? Paying per litre makes no sense, as energy is always based on joules-per-mass and different fuels have different mass-per-litre. If they did it would mean we always get what we pay for when it comes to dollars per kilometer, and we can discuss the benefits between differing fuels on a level playing field! And car fuel economy figures make for more easy comparison, rather than being specifically for a type of fuel? Less room for marketing depts to play if they did this, I suppose…

You nailed it, we don’t have the water to make these crops for biofuel from corn.It will effect the price of food for humans and feedstock for animals [as it has in USA]

The stock that we could use is sugar, as they do in Brazil.

Vehicle needs fairly large change and not to difficult to do it.

The future for Australia is the GovCo wasnt so BRAIN-DEAD is LPG, we have over 200 years of stock on hand without looking for any new finds.

Clean and green, no need to import

Cheers

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True. but if you take a step backwards hi-prices would be a good thing too on a infrastructure and environment and health level, imagine petrol still being so cheap, there will be more cars on the road, diesel/hybrid or any future technology will be less embraced, and we’ll have ourselves with mass congestion in our capital cities, its bad enough already… but now people are opting for PT, taking more bikes to work, buying smaller cars and calling the car manufacturers to progress in the alternative power matter. People who still require petrol for their work will still buy petrol anyway, tradies/on the roaders usually cash it all back tax time anyway.

I just think the coming to the end of the petrol era is a good thing, yes it shits me as a car driver but its doing australia, its environment and society a long term favour.

As the old saying goes.. having a car is not a right, its a privilage.

E10 at it’s present price is a ripoff given what I have already mentioned.

If the egg heads eventually manage to use the husk and waste to produce ethanol rather than the starchy food value part then yes then bio fuel will be an achievement.

1. It’s cheaper.
2. It usually has a higher octane rating (~95).
3. It’s renewable.

Whilst the immediate environmental benefits may be questionable, putting more and more ethanol into our fuel is a decent short term solution as it means less oil that needs to be imported, less money going overseas, and gives us an “excuse” to run more efficient turbocharged engines.

E10 at its current retail price is a false economy as u use more than u save.

Unfortunately I bet e10 gets put in the regular unleaded tank and is charged as such more often than not.

Petrol game is a blatant ripoff no matter which way u cut it and petrol companies favour themselves when it comes to the economics of E10 use not the consumer.

In Melbourne it’s 4c cheaper per litre, and you use 6c more of the fuel to go the same distance.

But some reports suggest all petrol has 2% ethanol as well.

Plus as long they know their car is ethenol safe, then nothing will make them think twice…