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Toyota 86 Review: Prototype Drive

By Jez Spinks |

Can a Toyota be fun to drive? It’s a question that’s difficult to contemplate answering in anything but the negative when you consider the company’s current line-up.

Corolla, Camry, Aurion, Kluger, RAV4… they’re all competent machines that sell in vast numbers and have plenty of admirable qualities. But driving excitement is not among them.

So this is it. After plenty of hype, ‘FT-86′ concept previews and then official pictures, we’ve at last got behind the wheel of the Toyota 86 – the sports car that is aiming to help counteract the company’s conservative image and reach out to younger motorists.

It’s just a few days since Toyota unveiled what it calls a production prototype of the coupe at the 2011 Tokyo motor show as we find ourselves at the Short Course of the Toyota-owned Fuji Speedway racetrack nestled in the foreground of Japan’s iconic, snow-capped Mount Fuji.

There’s not much of a view, however. With the clouds low, grey and depositing plenty of rain onto the track, the only thing towering over the track is a sense of anticipation from the assembled Australian motoring media as we contemplate getting to know the new rear-wheel-drive car in the wet.

There’s a couple of sighting laps behind a pace car first, to help us acclimatise to both the track layout the amount of available grip. And regarding the latter, it’s certainly a greasy surface that will need respect.

 

Our first Toyota 86 test car is fitted with 17-inch Yokohama low-rolling-resistance rubber that’s borrowed from the Prius to ensure the car isn’t over-tyred. There’s still a reasonable amount of grip, though, considering the conditions.

For a car that takes its name – and principles – from Toyota’s legendary front-engine/rear-drive Corolla AE86, the good news for enthusiasts who remember the 1980s is that the modern 86 is happy to go sideways.

You’ll need to switch off the car’s stability control system, which unlike any other current Toyota will genuinely prevent the electronics from interfering with the angle of the car through corners. Leave the system on and it’s overly intrusive – again in frustrating Toyota tradition – and doesn’t allow much slip in Sport mode, either.

The saturated track certainly makes it easy to push the 86’s tail outwards, but we’ll have to wait until we run the Toyota in the dry before we can determine whether the engine has enough squirt to achieve the same feat.

The car’s initial attitude to corners is slight understeer, and there’s a sense that achieving oversteer will come easier as a result of lifting off mid corner rather than being trigger happy with the throttle. Either way, there’s a limited-slip rear differential to help keep playtime going.

The 2.0-litre four-cylinder ‘Boxer’engine comes courtesy of Subaru (but adds Toyota direct injection technology) along with virtually all the other mechanicals and Impreza-based platform as part of the joint venture project that has also produced the near-identical Subaru BRZ twin.

It produces 147kW of power, which is respectable when you consider a VW Golf GTI manages just an extra 8kW by turbocharging its 2.0-litre capacity.

 

Toyota is said to be working on a supercharged version of the engine, but that’s a story (to look forward to) for another day.

Even in the wet it’s clear the Toyota 86 is a car that’s more focused on corners than setting any 0-100km/h standing start sprint records. A highly unscientific seat-of-the-pants feel suggests a time somewhere in the seven to eight-second bracket.

But with that flat four pumping its four cylinders horizontally lower and further back than in any other Subaru, and combined with a circa-1200kg kerb weight, it takes only a few corners of our first flat-out lap to appreciate the Toyota 86 is a very nicely balanced sports car.

The car’s initial attitude to corners is slightly understeer, but as any good driver’s car should, the 86 rewards delicate inputs from the steering wheel and throttle. Or you can just throw it about, so chuckable is the chassis.

There’s a pureness to the steering – at least on the smooth bitumen of Fuji Speedway (so no verdict yet on ride quality). It’s smooth, responsive, and well judged in terms of weighting.

 

The smallest steering wheel in Toyota’s line-up also feels just the right in the hands.

Fuji not exactly a track that requires lots of heavy braking, but even in wet the brakes provided sufficiently confident stopping power in the one downhill start/finish straight. Everything feels progressive, including the engine.

This was the only part of the track where there was a decent opportunity to rev the engine, which carries some Subaru engine note characteristics even it’s not the kind of deep throb that’s such a trademark in models such as the WRX. The revs feel a bit more enthusiastic with the six-speed manual version of the 86, though even the optional six-speed auto will climb towards the 7400rpm cutout without changing gear.

And with the peak power of 147kW produced at 7000rpm, it’s not a waste of time holding onto gears.An automatic would normally be heresy for a keen driver, but the self-shifter at least comes with paddleshift levers that offer some semblance of engagement – as well as blipping the throttle on downshifts.

Choose the manual and you’ll find the shift action notchy, but the throw is nice and short and teams with a well weighted clutch pedal.

And if you’re already wondering how it will compare with its twin, the Subaru BRZ, which it shares virtually everything except the badge and the odd styling detail, we can tell you.

Exactly the same, according to a Subaru insider who spoke to CarAdvice. Not even the suspension tuning between the two cars has been changed, our source says.

If Subaru Australia does decide to bring the BRZ to Australia, that means it essentially boils down to two simple factors: brand preference and price.

With half a year to go until the Toyota 86’s June 2012 launch, the company will says only that it hopes to start the sports car’s price with a ‘3’. Expect a figure in the mid to late-$30,000 bracket rather than low $30,000s, CarAdvice suggests.

We drove pre-production test cars that leave room for some final tidy-ups here and there, but even allowing for that the 86’s cabin still suggests it was built to a mid-$30K price point. There’s no shortage of hard plastics while the cabin presentation is unlikely to win any awards for innovation.

The cramped rear seats also make this a 2+2 coupe rather than a genuine four-seater, though the rear seatbacks fold down to create extra boot space (for items such as spare wheels and tyres for track days, Toyota suggests).

But at least the cabin delivers on the sporty feel. The driving position is low and the driver is partially cocooned by the well bolstered sports seats.

And, crucially, our first overall overseas impressions suggest we may have an answer to our original question: Yes.


 
  • http://caradvice OSU811

    Of course it is a yes!, it just took Subaru to do it for them:-)

  • http://caradvice OSU811

    I actually like everything about this car and the BRZ, finally another affordable RWD sports coupe, since the demise of the 200sx

    • Fatawa

      How can this car be classed as a sports coupe with likely performance figures of 0-100 in 7-8 seconds and 0-400m times north of 15 seconds.
      It really is a nothing car, under equipped, under performing and over priced. All it has going for it is looks. A 118kw Golf will outsprint this thing, and the Golf 118TSI is hardly a sports car. Nothing sporty about this car other than its looks.

      • Get over the golf

        So what would you call a Mazda MX-5??? It must be a complete waste of time, after all it only has 118kW too.

        Sounds like it is you that knows nothing sporty, not the car.

        • Fatawa

          Sporty implies some level of above average performance. This car delivers, at best, average performance. It is no faster and handles no better than an FG Falcon or VE Commondore, which for the same price come with a lot more kit than this car does. Can’t see the point in spending mid to high 30′s on a car that couldn’t catch a cold, couldn’t out sprint family cars and city run abouts, provides a cheap and rather tacky interior, basic level of equipment, and based on recent reliability issues of toyota, spend more time being recalled thean driven.

          • Igomi Watabi

            a sports car is one that delivers driving fun. This car appears to deliver that in spades, from the reviews. Classic comment about it handling “no better than an FG Falcon or VE Commodore”. Watch this leave either of those in its dust on the GOR.

        • Fatawa

          In another article, the new Ford Kuga coming to Australia, a family wagon, has the same power and more torque than this sports car. How embarassing, pulling up at the lights in your Toyota 86, only to be smoked by a mother in her Ford Kuga with her children in the back seat. Ha, sports car my a$$.

      • Sinalot

        Don’t even mention the TSI. I just traded mine in a month ago after a long spat of issues. Never again :(
        Looking back, the simplicity of NA engine (unlike the TSI) which performs/produces similar performance is a no brainer. Maybe Honda will take notice and bring back a gruntier version of its Type R variants of years gone by !

        • Blue Soup

          Put the Kuga the Golf TSi ,XR6 and the SV6 on the track and lets see whats sporty FATAWA. If you don’t get you never will……. Throw a 118kw MX-5 in there as well. the 86 & mx-5 will eat them up. now that embarrasing!
          D#%khead.

          • Fatawa

            The only track this under powered show pony would beat an XR6 around is a tight circular track with no straights or hills. It doesn’t have the power or torque to drive out of the corners or sprint down the straight. Would love to see this show pony go up against the XR6 around Bathurst, going up mountain straight you would hear it saying, “I think can, I think I can”. There isn’t a track on the V8 Supercar calender that the 86 could beat an XR6 at.
            The Toyota 86, the show pony that could,(Have been so much better).

          • Lukaas

            Fatawa

            In a straight line from 0kmph take off… yes the powerful cars will beat it easily.

            But in a track condition, where cars are entering straight lines off a corner…. lighter, well handling cars will still have advantage… unless the straight is like 5 kilo meters long, in which its long enough for the powerful cars to gain top speed.

            The point of this car is, you can drive FAST around corners, it responds very very very quickly to turns with little rolls and due to low COG.

            Again, many on a track, this car will hold its own against the bigger fatter more powerful cars…. against another light weight, more powerful car… well then its clearly outmatched.

          • Igomi Watabi

            Fatawa, the 86 will be so far ahead over the twisty top of the Mountain that the XR6 would need two old-style Conrod straights to catch it ont he straights.

      • RoFlmaTiC

        Manual celica did 0-100 in 6.7 seconds so I would expect this to perform similarly. I would also bet on a sub 15 second 1/4 mile time.

        • Blue Soup

          7.6 don’t ya mean. i don’t think it would take another 8 seconds to get to approx 150-160k over 400mtrs.

      • AndrewF

        In our fast devolving world, the word ‘performance’ is also being defined… Honda CRX, Hyundai Veloster, this one… all offering what we’d consider barely adequate for family cars a few years ago now touted as ‘sporty’. And it will get only worse with electric cars.
        So welcome to the future! It’s us who made it.

        • http://caradvice OSU811

          A sports car is about the Feel and handling of the car, how sporty it is to ACTUALLY drive. Because a big V8 American Truck is quicker than this in a straight line, does it make it a sports car???? I think not!

      • notatoy

        Fatawa, what a joke. You know nothing about sports car.

      • PB

        FatDude or whoever you are, you have no idea do you?
        I guess you class a F-350 Triton with the 8L V10 a true sports car hey?
        That has bulk HP mate, I drove one a few years ago. A mountain of torque to. Oh it pulled hard but fast? No way. The one little thing that all your ridiculous comments show is that you have no concept of power to weight ratio. That, and centre of gravity are what makes a car fast and fast is not only in a straight line. On the roads of the real world at the hands of an ethusiastic driver prepared to throw it around a corner, this would own a falacadore or kuga or VW whatever it was. Traffic light drags are for losers who don’t know how to handle a car properly. Can’t wait for the first time you see one close in, round you up and drift past your sorry a$$ mid corner, it will be out and halfway down the road before you even get round it. Not too mention that it will also go deeper under brakes. Speed limit in this country is 110KPH so outright speed is not necessary on the street, just how much speed you carry through a corner. :) Oversteer baby!

        • Blue Soup

          Fatawa… R u OLD enough to remember the days of the COOPER S Mini beating pretty much anything else on the track with 6 and 8 cylinders….. Please explain this to us…..

          • Igomi Watabi

            Handling and Power to Weight. Spot on Blue Soup, Cooper S cleaned up in 66, didn’t just take 1st place. And in 72 the lighter, smaller XU1 beat the ‘fastest four door in the world’

  • AndyGF

    “low-rolling-resistance rubber” from a “prius”? I suppose that fixes the ‘underpowered’ problem. I could probably make a 116i a tail-happy monster with a set of those… ^_^

    On a positive note: glad it has a limited slip diff, that at least a step in the right direction. Subaru know a thing or two about LSD’s, it would be a shame to let that knowledge go to waste.

  • RFAlpha

    “And if you’re already wondering how it will compare with its twin, the Subaru BRZ, which it shares virtually everything except the badge and the odd styling detail, we can tell you.

    Exactly the same, according to a Subaru insider who spoke to CarAdvice. Not even the suspension tuning between the two cars has been changed, our source says.”

    That’s very interesting Jez, as there’s reports that the BRZ has stiffer front and softer rears from some of the other BRZ first drive reviews. Was the insider discussing Aust models or in general?

    My guess is, $36k for the base Toyota 86, $38k for the base Subaru BRZ if it comes, and $43k fully optioned for both.

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Jez Spinks

    As Subaru Australia has yet to commit to the BRZ, RFAlpha, I’d say it was a general reference. But there’s nothing like hearing it directly from the Subaru engineers – and unfortunately the BRZ first drive in Japan clashed with our time in the 86. Let’s hope the BRZ comes to Australia so we can do a proper head to head and find out the real answer to the driving differences.
    Jez Spinks

  • Mr Gaspo

    The styling is Ok in my book, no more… However at the right price this car should sell well and do wonders for Toyota and Subaru. Well done, and while you are on a roll, please Toyota build a bigger and better Corolla with innovative drivetrains and diesel… Much like a Golf and Toyota has the potential to apply the blowtorch to VW.

  • UMWHAT

    pretty simple and fun car I like it

    too bad it will be priced near 40k though thats wrx territory. But then i guess they’re different cars

    still wish it had even a little bit more power though

  • rob

    Nice looker from the outside and given the right price it will sell to those wanting a sportier option to the corolla, although compare this to a golf gti, and I know which one i would go for…plus that interior screams cheap!

    • gazza

      At least the injectors or gearbox wont fail after 6 months, easy choice for me and wont be a bogan german car!

  • Vince

    Now we just need the S16 from Nissan and the Auto world will heat up.

    • Simon

      This would be the only reason for me to sell my S15. Ohh the thought of an S16 excites me beyond belief!

  • A.

    It would be great if Toyota/Subaru could expand the use of this new platform. Aside from a turbo or supercharge variety, I would like to see a convertible version of the coupe; a sedan version of the coupe(like the AM Rapide is to the DB9, same styling but two extra doors); and maybe even roadster (like a MX5) and a 3 door hot hatch (like a VW Scirocco but RWD). That would be great IMO.

    I heard Subaru is developing a 1.6 flat-four. Maybe they could use that engine as an entry level. What I would like to see is Subaru replace the 2.0 with the future 1.6 turbo to differentiate the two cars.

  • A.

    I’m really disappointed how much the 86 and BRZ look alike. The BRZ STi concept from a few weeks ago at least had a difference rear boot lid design which doesn’t make sense that it did not get used. However I really wished there was more difference overall in the interior and exterior design. This is serious case of rebadging with no effort.

    • Shane

      Why are you disappointed ?

      • A.

        I was hoping they would have styling that fits in with their brands’ design language.

        I never liked the days when in Australia Commodores were a Toyota and Corolla/Camrys were Holdens. This combination is going back to that direction. At least if it were like a Laser/323 I could except it more. Thats me though.

        I read that if there is a new Supra replacement, I could also be in works with Subaru. I hope they use the Lexus IS/GS platform/engines etc for that.

  • Josh

    My money is on the $34, 990 sweet spot for the base model.

  • ze scheister

    nearly $40K for an N/A 2tlr? wow, just wow. $40K is almost a BMW 1 series M in USA. thanks for that juliar, cheers for taxes

    • Rex

      Yeah, ’cause we never had any import duties before the current government……

      • ze scheister

        carbon tax, mining tax, increased import duties, increased income tax courtesy of gillard, all of this allows dealers to justify the rediculous markup despite the strong aussie dollar. As consumers we all know the costs passed on to the consumer is far greater than that incurred by the taxes, but its like the banks and interest rates, give them an inch and they take a mile

        • Arky

          Carbon Tax and Mining Tax haven’t even taken effect yet. Abbott wanted a “levy” to pay for his childcare scheme which was a tax too. And for Abbott supporters to whinge about a Gillard backflip as a lie is ridiculous. Abbott backflipped on the carbon tax himself, let alone all the lies he told in government…. but yeah sure, blame Gillard for car prices. Nong.

        • Igomi Watabi

          Do you reckon you could explain to me how the mining tax will impact ont he price of cars, ze scheisster? Or, indeed, as Arky points out, how taxes that haven’t come into effect yet affect car prices? Just another ill-informed commentator whingeing about the cost of things in Australia. So, so very tired. If you want to whinge about the cost of things, have a look at the reckless policies of election-purchasing undertaken between 1996 and 2007, opportunistically funded by the massive turnaround in interest rate trajectory affected in the early 90s.

    • Stink

      N/A 2 litre @ $40,000, why are you shocked by? It’s not the first time. Mazda, Honda, BMW….

      • ze scheister

        brand new wrx’s are $43,999 drive away. awd, turbo. you add ORC to the $40K toyota and your looking at a direct competitor price wise, performance wise its wrx @ 13.3second 1/4mile vs 86 @ 15 second(generous) 1/4mile. Im a fan of the concept, wish more manufacturers would take it on board, but the original AE86 was a priced correctly, anything above $30K and this thing will not be

        • RFAlpha

          The original AE86 was priced at the average starting salary of a Japanese Graduate, or 1.5 million yen. In today’s terms that would be more around 2.5 million yen. This car is expected to cost more around 2 million yen. So comparatively it’s cheaper than the AE86.

          If the reviews are to be believed, this car is to have a better steering feel than a new 911, to have a lower Centre of Gravity than a Cayman or MX-5. $30k is Holden Cruze or Lancer VR-X territory. This car is far better than both.

          Most people are estimating this car at around mid-high 6s for 0-60 and mid 14s for 1/4 mile.

    • Lukaas

      BMW Normal 135i is 75K AUD here drive away… thats 25K more expensive than M3 in USA… so whats your point ze scheister??

  • http://baji192.wordpress.com Baji

    I wonder how it compares to the Mazda MX5

    • Fatawa

      I would imagine it will compare pretty much the same, both have perfromance figures that are about as much fun as watching paint dry.

      • Blue Soup

        u r a fool.

      • Igomi Watabi

        living your life on a dead straight 440 yards means you learn nothing Fatawa. Tool.

  • FunnelWeb

    Jez, – is it really based on the Imprezza platform?

    I know there were mules that were both Liberty and Imprezza based, but I’ve read (in a couple of other articles) the 86/BRZ has it’s own platform which may be used for other models later, but which at present is unique to this vehicle.

    Which is correct?

  • Bo

    The first pic reminds me something about Mitsubishi FTO…

    • Sinalot

      Holy crap, from the side, your right. I had a 99 Version R FTO a while back. Wasn’t a bad car at all. 2.4 V6 0-100 7.5 seconds from memory (stock).

  • 440 R/T Charger

    Fun to Drive, Again! i m looking forward for that!

  • HJP

    Toyota is right on developing this car, they will need to relaunch their motto that their cars are fun to drive, heralded by this new 86. The new 86 is designed to be famous car to be modified by mod lovers. Toyota is now considering reviving Supra nameplate, hope this will happen and to get rid of Toyota’s image for bland and whitegood cars.

  • Gaz

    I’m not sold on the looks but it looks more interesting than what toyota have out there already.

    It should be a pretty fun car to drive even though I think not offering a turbo option is a bit disappointing.
    The platform looks like it can handle a lot more power.

    At that price they should sell plenty of them.

  • ANF

    If its priced under $35k then overall its a good mechanical package for the price…end of the day you can only go 120km/h on our roads so everyone complaining about it being underpowered is a bit much

    Plus being a cross-variant bewteen toyota and subaru in no time you will be able to get the engine retuned anyways, problem solved

  • Josh

    its another mazda rx 8.except its slower

    • ElecEng

      and cheaper

    • Lukaas

      RX-8 was 55K to 60K driveaway… might as well pay extra 10K and get the 370Z.

      The 86 is a good 20K cheaper….. technically you can replace your sub 35K Daily work driver for a Coupe… doesnt that sound nice?… and mileage is affordable too.

  • gordon

    Even the Hyundi sports coupe coming up will eat this for the same amount of money.

    Why no turbo, this would have brought back Nissan 200sx memories back, and been a Hit for Toyota and Subaru alike.

    Oh why! this wont see and will disappear quickly like the Honda S2000

  • Steven

    The comments here speaks volumes about the lack of motoring intelligence of the average driver.

    A sports car isn’t all about 0-100 times. This car certainly isn’t but it is about handling and maintaining speed. Yes you might get smoked at the lights by a Falcadore at the lights but I bet you kill them in the twisties. This is the real joy of sports car handling.

    Go and drive a ‘slow’ go kart and tell me that it’s dull.

    Fools.

  • Juice08

    I think the only thing that people can really comment on is the looks. There are a lot of cars that are a hoot to drive but the specs don’t look that impressive e.g. N15 Pulsar SSS 105kw, 1142kg, 0-100 8.8s. This thing looks nice and if it handles well it will be a cracker to drive! But don’t sound like you know for sure how it’ll drive until you drive it. JMTC. Peace :)

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Jez Spinks

    An answer for Funnelweb… platforms are always a grey area. Car makers will often say they’re new when in some cases they’re an update of the existing platform. It’s probably fair to say the BRZ/86 underpinnings are new as a group, but significant parts – such as rear suspension – are certainly derived from the Impreza from what we’ve been told. Even with Toyota money being tipped in, don’t underestimate how much an absolutely all-new platform costs.
    Rgs Jez Spinks

  • VW

    This is just a RWD Celica. It is nothing special at all. Interior looks cheap too.

    • incentive75

      Exactly. Cheap and affordable – the only two things that make it a reasonable buy, sort of.
      And I seriosly doubt its tuner appeal – what will you do to it – wheels and exhaust, some stickers ;) . Thats not tuning potential. For real tuning this will need new engine or a fully rebuilt and turboed engine – so this little car will end up costing 65K. How many people that can barely afford a 40K car will be able to spend big on some proper performance.
      How much of a sales success will this be??? Hard to tell – better looing RX-8 GT was more powerful and very rev happy, and faster and an unreal handling drivers car too and that simply did not sell, so except for this being a Toyota, with its reliability tradition, I am struggling to find any reasons that this will sell like hotcakes. For 38K on-the road there is a reasonable number of well built, and useable cars. Damn, even the FWD VW GTI will be much more appelaing to normal people that actually use cars for DD and shopping and ferrying kids and family/friends around. Not everyone will have this and just drive it to Mt Nebo.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

        The Golf GTI cost over $50k .. This will be $30-35k.. very big difference

      • Blue Soup

        I can’t wait to be at wakefield raceway in 12months time watching 86′s and BRZ’s overtaking Golf GTI’s. Sadly the joy this will bring me will not be as great as the joy i got last time i was there watching MX-5′s lap faster (118kw dead std 2 yr old mx-5 lapping faster than the 3 GTI’s there) Gotta get me one of those true sports car GTI’S BAH HA HA HA HA
        P.s Did i mention 1 of the GTI’s had to be towed home!

      • Lukaas

        Golf GTI with 155kW is 50K drive away.

        This is 35-40K and you spend 10K on it… and you can get enough power to make it push 0-100 in 5 seconds… with Coupe Car looks.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

    It looks good.. I’ts very light, so 200HP should move this car relatively quick..

  • VW

    This car to me is all show and no go. Just look at the exterior. Two very large exhaust tips equivalent to that of a 370z. It’s a friggin 2 litter engine! It could use HALF of ONE of those tips. All show. No go. That’s what I like about the VW GTi. It doesn’t try to be more than it is. That’s what gains respect. The type of person driving a 86 thinks everyone is trying to race them in their gutless 2 Litre Celica (I mean 86). The type of person driving a GTi doesn’t care what others are doing because they know their car has the power and handling to match most cars if they need to and the interior refinement that makes the car enjoyable even when it isn’t being driven hard (99% of the time).

    • bert

      You are right “VW” the type of person driving a VW GTi is only worried about one thing!

      Getting home without breaking down! HA! HA! HA!

      • gazza

        SPOT ON Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

    • Lukaas

      - Its 8kW less than a GTI
      - Its 200kg less than a GTI
      - Its 10K cheaper than a GTI
      - Its RWD

  • VW

    This car isn’t even a Toyota. It’s a Subaru. The engine is Subaru. The engine is the heart and soul of the car. Toyota have just contributed the sheet metal. People should buy the BRZ because that is doing justice to the people who realistically created this car… not the people who slapped their badges on it and create a media hype that they now sell ‘fun’ cars despite the fact that this car will be a low volume seller compared to the whitegoods in the rest of their range.

    • RFAlpha

      To be fair, Toyota did a bit more than just the sheet metal, as they also contributed their brand new D4-S system and the car uses a Torsen LSD and Aisen transmission from the Lexus IS-F.

      Gotta hand it to Toyota on the marketing front though, because really this should be Subaru’s baby.

    • bert

      Are you for real? TOYOTA contributed a hell of a lot more than just a body, the engine has TOYOTA’S fuel injection and the diff has a TOYOTA torsen LSD from the GT4.
      Subaru which toyota has a good share of only donated the motor and gearbox theres a lot more to a car than just that!!

    • Blue Soup

      True the engine is the heart n soul of the car!! And if VW ‘s were a person you would need a portable defibulator to keep alive or at best oxygen. As for re-badging Audi,VW,Skoda????????? which brand do you want with the same heart as you call it!

    • Lukaas

      Toyota did a lot of evaluation and testing on the car.

      And if anything, they have provided more feedback on handling, judging by all the interviews from Toyota and Subaru themselves.

      And what experience did Subaru have for light weight RWD coupes?…. none.

      Thats right, the “soul” of the car and its intention is from previous Toyota car, AE86…. Toyota also FUNDED the project and the handling is definitely their “call” to make.

      Subaru did the engineering because its their chassis and engine block… but Toyota worked with them to add their own tech on it.

      Engineering colaboration to a T.

      And Toyota pretty much owns 16% of FHI who is parent company of Subaru. The shares they own equal to Subaru’s total worth or almost…. basically Toyota can dictate Subaru’s plans and can buy them outright in the future.

  • AS

    @VW
    Toyota owns 16.7% of Subaru. This is a significant share and can influence (not control) a company.

  • tj

    an embarrassing cousin of the z car.

    • Blue Soup

      Your embarrassing to all your cousin’s!

    • Lukaas

      this would sit nicely next to a 370z…

      370z for the weekend.
      Toyota 86 as a daily driver (2 liter, better fuel economy, 4 seats etc)

  • spr

    Like the AE86 it looks like this car will be sent to Australia with the wrong engine.

    • gazza

      Hows that????????????

    • Blue Soup

      Are you stating that you couldn’t buy a NEW AE86 in OZ with the 4AGE in it?????????

      • Igomi Watabi

        Could you ever buy an AE86 in Australia at all?

        • Igomi Watabi

          oh yeah, a Sprinter with an anaemic 1.6. Yep, spr is right on that count. On the count of this new car, there’s only one engine so far, isn’t there?