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Subaru BRZ: Will it come to Australia?

By Jez Spinks |

The Subaru BRZ sports car has been unveiled in production form at the 2011 Tokyo motor show, though the Japanese brand’s local subsidiary has still to decide whether it will import the coupe to Australia.

Subaru’s new BRZ is part two of the so-called ‘Toyobaru’ compact sports car project shared with Toyota, and its reveal follows just a couple of days after the virtually identical Toyota 86 made its public debut at Japan’s Fuji Speedway.

Subaru Australia says it will make its call before Christmas, but says the decision is in no way influenced by the pricing for the Toyota 86 that is expected to start below $40,000 when it arrives in mid 2012.

“It’s irreleveant what [Toyota] does,” says Subaru Australia boss Nick Senior. “It’s more of a philosophical consideration [for us].

“All-wheel drive 100 per cent has been a hugely successful for us since 1996, 1997. To move away from that is not something you do lightly.”

If the company turns the BRZ down it means Australia will miss out on a car that it admits is more of a Subaru than a Toyota.

“I think it’s a Subaru,” says Senior. “It uses a Boxer engine, our engineers did all the engineering work, and we did the fine-tuning [of the suspension] in Australia.”

Senior says the BRZ wouldn’t even have been a consideration if it had been front-wheel drive, and provides some hope for driving enthusiasts who want to see the rear-wheel-drive coupe on local roads.

“Rear-wheel drive is in keeping with our brand; it delivers driver confidence,” says Senior. “It’s a driver’s car – and Subarus have always been a driver’s car.”

He says the company also sees it as a different offering for enthusiasts that wouldn’t tread on the toes of its WRX cult car that would be in a similar price bracket to the BRZ.

“They [BRZ and WRX] are very separate markets,” says Senior. “One is a two-door coupe, one is a five-door hatch or four-door sedan. The WRX is an older, more family-oriented market.

“[The BRZ] delivers a low cost, lightweight entry sports car designed to bring a younger audience into the brand.

“The key is the domestic [Japanese] market – where the young generation are playing PlayStation. They don’t have the same passion for cars that they had 20 years ago.

“[Subaru and Toyota] are trying to rekindle that excitement in the youth market in particular.”

To keep insurance and other running costs down, as well as maintaining the purity of the car, Subaru suggests buyers shouldn’t expect high-performance versions of either the Subaru BRZ or Toyota 86.

“If you start to add bits and pieces to this the car gets more expensive and it gets heavier. If you put a turbo on it you have extra weight for more brakes, more suspension. We enjoy the raw enthusiasm and raw passion of this car and not a two-door coupe we have seen in the past.”

Senior also defends the styling of the two cars, which while always expected to be identical under the skin mechanically were also expected to be more distinguished visually.

“From day one it has been a collaboration [with Toyota]. We were always going to be similar.”

The two cars share virtually identical suspension – front struts and double-A-arm rear – and engine, a 2.0-litre direct injection “boxer” four-cylinder, though the exterior styling wasn’t expected to be mirrored so closely.

The Subaru BRZ and Toyota 86 both produce 147kW from their naturally aspirated engine, with peak torque measured at 205Nm.


 
  • Denx

    it is not a decision made lightly about RWD only, is it due to subaru can’t afford making a new platform by itself, so have to rely on toyota?

    • http://www.autoblog.com/ UnderBrakes

      100% IT WILL BE HERE……END OF STORY

  • http://N/A Scurup

    Can someone linked me the interior for the BRZ? I’m quite worried subie might of botched this one up as well.

    • PROJET – L

      They have probably continued the deal with local councils to use recycled garbage bins for interior plastics.

      • PROJET – L

        However I forgot to mention it is a good looking car.
        Hopefully the accountants wont ruin it.

        • Trump

          I woould go Subie over Toyota in a second if they both come here, but then would hold out if Nissan start talking about a new 200SX. That would be done properly.

          • Tom R

            I like Subaru and not Toyota. However I think the Subey version is ugly and not very Subaru. TO be perfectly honest I’d have to take the toyota version, take the boxer out…. 2JZ!!!!!

    • Nate

      See this thread, http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2453

      Basically has the same interior as the 86 with brushed aluminium, looks like they didn’t stuff this one up!

  • nickdl

    Well Subaru and Toyota can go on believing that people won’t want more power out of this car, but I guarantee that aftermarket mods will be very common on the BRZ/86. It’d be better if they had a higher priced STi version to capitalise on this. Still an awesome car though.

    • CRS200

      I havementioned it before the Clio RS 200 has 147.5KW and 215 Torque and they wheight is basically the same.

      Very intresting to see how the RWD “Clio RS Subayota” will compete with the clio on the Corners.

      something tells me that King Clio RS 200 will still outhandle the Subayota.

      • camaro

        buddy frontwheel drive car not only cheaper but also lighter. big problems with FF layout are weight distribution, understeer, and traction through bends. the key of fun to drive is how u feel when u drive ur car not only how fast it goes through conner or straight line.

      • qikturbo

        I don’t think so.Rear wheel drive,IF designed and engineered properly will always out perform a front wheel drive car.
        I wish Best Motoring were still reviewing/racing road going cars.It would be an interesting match up with the Clio.

      • Dan

        Was thinking along those lines the other day. Clio has been around for longer, I would hope it would.

      • Pro346

        Same power same weight but the brz would have much better weight distribution traction etc ,I dont see the clio having any advantages.

    • PROJET – L

      The STI boxer aftermarket conversions are already well ahead in planing.
      Now that would be something.

  • nugsdad

    Well Subaru here is some free marketing advice (from a marketer).
    Your brand stands for well built quality products that consumers trust. You are seen as a little bit different and quirky when compared to the likes of Toyota, Mazda and Honda. This is reinforced by your styling ( some of which is questionable at the moment)your boxer engines and the fact that you’re not a real mass market product like Toyota. The WRX is a bit of a halo car which has always had great bang for your buck, appeals to performance oriented drivers ( often young) and adds some nice cred to your brand.
    Even though you might think it your brand does not stand for 4 wheel drive. This is merely a technical component that features in your current range, which in some situations might be of some marginal benefit.
    There are many more iconic brands than Subaru that have broken with technical tradition. Porsche went water cooled and then went SUV, BMW is working on Front wheel drive and V6′s, Holden rebadges Korean cars,etc etc.
    So to not bring in what is potentally a good seller into what I think is Subaru’s 4th largest market would be a very poor decision.
    Subaru ask yourselves this question ” Is any buyer who wants a 4WD Forrester going to say I’m not going to buy that car because there is another model in the Subaru range that is not 4WD”. Clearly not.

    • davie

      Subaru has no idea what they stand for anymore or how to market themselves.

      - They once were the exciting lifestyle brand who made versatile fast and extremely safe cars, even the cheapo ones inherited AWD technology which was proven in world rallying

      Then…

      - They ditched rallying and any association with excitement.
      - They completely screw up the impreza every single time they replace it (MY01 and MY08) and then spend the following few years facelifting it back to what it should have been at the start
      - They keep el-cheapo 4 speed autos in their cars for years after an alternate transmission is available to save themselves a few bucks
      - Their awful interiors plastics are made (as someone else pointed out) from recycled plastic rubbish bin lids and McDonalds trays

      If I was a Subaru Marketer I would probably try to work out how to address all the above issues. With regards to the BRZ – I would simply get out of it’s way and let it sell itself to the pent up demand out there (before Toyota takes it all away)

      • Blue Soup

        If you were in marketing? You are misguided to think that you could change any of these things??? Your in MARKETING NOT MANUFACTERING……

    • Chucky

      I mentioned this some time ago. Subconsciously, I do not see Subaru as nothing but 4WD (although you technically are). I see you Subaru as having poorly styled cars. Bringing the BRZ will certainly change your styling image. I dont give a hoot if you are all 4WD. Change your styling and bring in the BRZ.

      But then again, I got so many negative responses in my last post (obviously from Subaru fans), maybe Subaru should not bring this car in just to satisfy current Subaru fans.

  • Matty B

    I love it, he says “I think it’s a subaru” yet, Is it subaru australia ? What a crock. The whole Subaru is four wheel drive is purely a marketing tool in Australia. It’s not a company wide ideal.

    If BMW can build AWD vehicles then Subaru in Australia can sell RWD cars. There is no way that if they thought there was profit or benefit to be had by selling the BRZ here they wouldn’t.

  • Tom

    I hope they dont release it here,

    That way Ill import it for $5-10k less then the 86!

    BOOYAH!

    • Image

      Do you think car companies are that dumb to leave that loophole open?

  • Monster

    It is about time for the Subaru marketing people to get to work. Toyota and Subaru spent years developing this car, and we can’t be denied it in Australia simply because someone at marketing can’t be bothered to find a new way of selling a different product, it isn’t a big ask really, just bloody do what you are being paid to do.

  • 123321

    It’s all about the 86. I am telling you now that the sales ratio between the AE86:BRZ in Japan and East Asia will be 4:1. Unless you’re from Japan or East Asia, you may not know the background behind this 86/BRZ excercise.

    • OURS

      Hmmm…are you referring to “Initial D” was primarily based on a Toyota AE86 Trueno but not a Subaru?

      (Don’t forget that a Subaru Impreza STI was also brought into the cartoon / comic at a later stage of the story)…hehe

  • AJ

    The BRZ looks awsome in the first photo.

    The blue really suits it.

  • Shteve

    who cares

    it looks exactly the same as the toyota. whoever wants this car just buy the FT86. job done.

    • Samesame

      Aaah soneone with brains…finally. Remember people these two cars were a joint venture!
      Right on the money shteve, theyre exactly the same car, go to ft86 news and follow the links for full pictures of the subaru brz and you will notice everythings the same minus a few badges here and there.
      Why bring the subaru brz to australia for? Subaru have always been pricey cars, so you will pay more for the same car.

  • OURS

    If the BRZ does come to Australia, does this mean that owners of either the 86 or BRZ can shop around for the cheapest routine servicing provided by both car manufacturers?

  • TheTroll

    Well, if it doesn’t come to our shores, the fanboys can always purchase Subaru emblems off eBay and whack them on their 86s ala Holden/Chevrolet :)

  • Vince

    Dear Subaru,

    Bring the damn car to Aus. That is all.

    This actually looks better than the 86 even though they are roughly the same lol.

    ps. add a turbo.

  • Golfschwein

    A tidier front end than the Toyota 86 means I give my styling award to the Subie. Gosh, I don’t think I’ve ever said that before!

  • Kaass

    I just hope Toyota GT86 offer this “blue”, because it really emphasize the car’s gorgeous curves and that blue with the black rear diffuser and big aero damn lower grille looks fantastic.

    Its the colour folks, all about the colour.

    Give me This Blue and White….. with tungsten coloured wheels, 18×7.5 in the front and 18×8.5 in the back, lowered by 2 inches, exhaust, ECU flashed… so 160kW, 1180kg…. would look like a 100K car, but all for 45K AUD….. sign me up.

  • Able

    Ironically (with their current lineup) I would have the Subaru. It is just stunning in that blue! I will also never own a Toyota.

    Subaru Aus get it here NOW!

  • j

    And once again I will repeat what their marketing gurus have already developed:

    “boxer rwd sports car architecture”

    If they don’t want to bring it here, then there’s always the grey import market! Who wants to be a grey market BRZ dealer?

  • Doctor

    I think the real issue for the importers is that there is an almost identical car with a (duller than dishwater) Toyota badge coming here.

  • Altezza

    I think it is wise for Subaru to bring BRZ to Australia as it will open new market for younger drivers. I think that their 100% all wheel drive motto not really important, but most importantly Subaru Australia’s range is 100% boxer engine, even with the addition to BRZ.

  • TuffGuy

    I would think financial considerations would overcome any sentimental issues about Subaru and being AWD 100%. Should they choose not to bring this car to Australia they are just literally handing a whole bunch of sales figures and a huge chunk of change to Toyota, for free. That would just be plain stupid.
    Also with the new Impreza released and no sign of the new WRX and STI, what are the chances of this car being the basis for the new hero models? With so much extra power extra weight for bigger brakes, AWD and all the other stuff is largely irrelevant.

  • ANF

    Overall it seems like a good package, power wise we all know that Toyota of recent has played it safe and subura didnt want to release anything as powerful as their STI range as then it will kill it off. I still wont be buying either but because every tom, dick and harry will have one and they will be as many of these on the road as your corollas and imprezas, im gona pass

  • qikturbo

    Although there isn’t visually much difference between the two versions,to me the Toyota version looks a little more aggressive at the front than the Subaru model.

  • kennyboye

    Duh.
    Who is the bigger company?
    Who probably put in majority funding?
    Who gets to pick their preferred market?
    Who can sell them cheaper?
    Toyota.

    Excuse me while I drive off in my Lexcen…..

  • Lavs

    I think Mr Senior’s comments are a bit of a marketing ploy of his own. Ie. create a bit of mystery over whether Aus gets this car or not so as to keep the media & us hungry for more info. It keeps the interest going & keeps it in the news……I reckon Mr Senior knows already whether Aus will receive this car or not.

  • 440 R/T Charger

    1 car, 2 Makers, 30-plus related articles…..very successful marketing strategy indeed.

  • http://www.davidshepherd.com.au David

    So its a Z4 or a Prius – Designs are no longer unique… Pitty.

  • Antzmr2

    I currently own both brands, and have done so for my past 20 yrs of driving, and I cant get past Subaru no longer wanting to be an AWD company!? The decision to move from AWD to rear wheel drive, for me, represents the same mistake toyota made when corolla switched from a rear to a front wheel drive!

    While I imagine the drive will be inspiring, the experience will no longer be a subaru original…

    I am quite disappointed particularly in light of Toyota’s not being serious about performance cars for the past decade, that Subaru are considering moving closer to a Toyota philosophy of softer cars, is a move in the wrong direction.

    It may now be time to look at a Quattro to enjoy that small AWD performance car experience!

  • Patrick Bateman!

     “It’s a driver’s car – and Subarus have always been a driver’s car.”
    Ummm are you kidding. Even in the current line up, there are some drossy vehicles. Not to mention anything pre 1989. Brumby,Leone,Sportswagon, 360 anyone ?