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Toyota 86 sports car revealed: official pictures & details

By Jez Spinks |

The Toyota 86 coupe that returns the Japanese car maker to the sports car fold has been officially revealed in production form after months of spy photos and concept previews.

The anticipated 86 nameplate is a nod to the company’s sporty AE86 Corolla of the mid 1980s and is one half of the joint venture rear-wheel-drive sports car shared with Subaru and dubbed the ‘Toyobaru’.

The Toyota 86 production car stays faithful to the FT-86 concept cars the company has show, with some detail differences that include the headlights changing from a triangular to teardrop shape. There are also hints of the Nissan 370Z in the muscular rear quarters of the Toyota 86.

Subaru, which will also reveal its BRZ twin at the 2011 Tokyo motor show this week, is responsible for providing the majority of mechanicals for the sports car, though Toyota contributes a number of its own parts such as direct fuel injection technology that creates a more modern take on Subaru’s trademark horizontally opposed “boxer” engine.

In the Toyota 86 the 2.0-litre four-cylinder produces 147kW of power at 7000rpm, with a relatively low torque figure of 205Nm arriving at 6600rpm – suggesting drivers should expect an engine that will thrive on high revs rather than mid-range grunt. Toyota, though, says a high compression ratio of 12.5:1 “provides high output and high torque over a wide range of engine speeds and contributes to improved environmental performance”.

A modest 0-100km/h acceleration time of seven seconds has been estimated by some members of the European motoring media who have driven prototypes of the Toyota 86, though while straight-line performance doesn’t look set to much of a selling point, ultra-compact dimensions (at 4240mm it’s only fractionally longer than a VW Golf), a low centre of gravity, 18-inch wheels and a sub-1200kg kerb weight promise greater thrills on winding roads when the car goes on sale in Australia in mid 2012.

Sources with knowledge of both cars have told CarAdvice the 86 and BRZ are virtually identical under the skin and essentially differentiated only by their exterior styling, so will drive exactly the same.

Inside the Toyota 86 there are four seats – with the two rear seatbacks folding down to expand luggage space – and the smallest steering wheel in the Toyota vehicle line-up. The official interior picture released by Toyota reveals a predominantly black cabin offset by sporty red touches for the bucket seats, door grips, handbrake lever, gearstick and steering wheel.

The Toyota 86 is the company’s attempt to re-engage with driving enthusiasts after discontinuing the likes of the Celica and MR2 a few years back. Pricing is expected to start below $40,000. Subaru Australia is still deciding whether to import the BRZ.

Main Specifications of Toyota 86 (Production Prototype)

Length 4,240 mm
Width 1,775 mm
Height 1,300 mm
Wheelbase 2,570 mm
Track Front 1,520 mm
Rear 1,540 mm
Seating capacity 4
Engine Total displacement 1,998 cc
Type

Horizontally opposed four-cylinder, direct-injection DOHC

Bore × stroke 86 × 86
Maximum output 147 kW / 7,000 rpm
Maximum torque 205 Nm / 6,600 rpm
Transmission 6-speed manual; six-speed automatic
Driveline Rear-wheel drive
Suspension Front Struts
Rear Double wishbone
Brakes Front V disk
Rear V disk
Tires Front 215/40R18
Rear 225/40R18
Fuel tank 50 litres

UPDATE: Follow this link for the Toyota 86 image gallery.


 
  • Sandland

    Bravo Toyota.

    • 2LTurbo

      +1

      Amazing!

      • Dragan

        Pending the final drive away price on this…. i have my Bride seat and a NARDI steering wheel ready

        • UMWHAT

          Im so disappointed with this. Very bland and those power figures are pathetic

          • Jerome

            They have been saying 200hp for the last 2-3years. Dont know how you expected anything else.

          • Nasal Explorer

            Poor UMWHAT – you must be heartbroken. Buy something else and get over it.

        • Mark

          Pretty much the same power/torque figures of the Honda Type R 2L motor from 5-10yrs ago!
          So kinda agree, nothing special for 2011.

          • K-Pop

            Probably because of emission regulations. The honda type r motor is being discontinued because it cannot meet new regulations, so im guessing the toyota engine could easily go higher than the 147kw if not for ensuring it meets emission standards.

    • Rick

      A step in the right direction , for the worlds most boring car company

  • nickdl

    Looks great! Love the overall compact dimensions of the car and we can assume that it will be awesome to drive considering it’s been in development so long. Must say though that I preferred the tail lights of the concept at the Melbourne Motor Show this year.

    Anyway, let’s hope it’s sub $40K and it will thrash the Honda CR-Z etc.

    • NacaYoda

      RWD FTW

  • Frostie

    Slick…

    Not as amazing as I expected but its still good enough.

  • Joel W

    finally! :D so is it pronounced eighty six or eight six inspired from japaniese initial d comics?

    very porcshe interior

  • Juice08

    People have been bagging out the rear but I actually like the rear better than the front. I think the headlights are too slitty and the nose looks a bit squashed like an elephant sat on it. Especially compared to the bum.

    Overall a pretty car. As stated not the best looking car but a step forward for Toyota!

    • Frostie

      I reckon the front end is the best part of the car. The front end is better looking than some particular whole cars in fact. *cough* HSV E3 GTS *cough*

  • Mikey

    It works for me. Pleasantly surprised that it wasn’t more watered down from the concept cars

  • A_A

    Low 30s?

    Sounds good to me, isn’t many things in that price bracket that go from 0-100km/h in less then 7 seconds anyway.

    • nickdl

      P-plate legal, too.

    • Rick

      Seems like a fair price , however it is a Toyota so I doubt you’ll get much change out of 40k unfortunately , but fingers crossed for 30k

  • anthony

    i was wondering when the news would make it to CA. i see great aftermarketing in toyotas future.
    awesome

  • Neil m

    Great looking exterior – but what’s with the awful looking red highlights in the interior? Yuk!

    • Golfschwein

      Orange highlights might look better in this photo car.

      • Blue Soup

        Dont you mean a VW Badge??

  • Mitch

    From the outside, a great looking car that is particularly surprising for Toyota! But then there’s the interior, and we see that painfully boring, old-fashioned Toyota styling back again. Red accents? how tacky!

  • Mr Wang

    It needs to have a flat bottomed steering wheel with audio controls – like the Corolla.

    • KD

      It doesn’t need anything like the Corolla

      • Mr Wang

        Just saying….if the Corolla has one, then it should be a feature on their flagship sports coupe.

  • Wd

    Argh it’s rear is f’ing awful, what you’d expect from a hybrid. That interior would be ok without the red inserts, they age very quickly.

    Subaru thanks!

  • Flabby Chap

    Honda’s 1995 Civic and Integra put out 147KW out of a 1.8L NA four. This 2012 Subaru/Toyota 2.0L NA four managed to put out the same 147KW. Good jod well done.

    • Pot

      17 years ! yet same performnace :(

      • JESSE

        and more weight.

    • Charger

      im sure the 1995 Honda engine isnt as economical or passes current anti pollution regs!

  • Showtime

    It looks great and I’m happy they stayed true to the concept with the front end. I’m more excited for the Subaru BRZ version though. Only 2 more sleeps :)

  • Steve

    Finally some mojo from TMC.

  • Shak

    Looks fine to me, just happy that it finally came out. I think that the power is low, because Toyota expect most of this cars target market to be from the Tuner crowd, so they are going to mess with it anyway. If people are complaining about power, than this isnt the car for them.

    • NacaYoda

      I think there is a massive expectation that a cult following will dominate this model. RWD in such a small car is an exception these days. Toyota will have ensured the engine is rock solid so that this aftermarket culture will push demand for new and 2nd hand examples well into the future.

    • JooberFPVGT

      Well we hope so… but tuning a NA engine is tighter than a turbo one. Perhaps TRD will offer a scharger/turbo package whilst ensuring warranty.

      As the first thing you don’t want to do with your new car is void the 3 years you have.

  • DDH

    its light at least….but get ready for the mods there’re a coming!

    • JESSE

      light in what world? it’s still 1200kg…. the type R civic with that power used to be round 900kg.

      • Ford Fairlane

        1200kgs is lite for a small,modern performance car.

        147kw is good power for an NA 2.0,but 205mnm at 6600 is abit too high in the rev range,Does it have VVT?
        The high RPM torque figure would suggest it does not,If it doesn’t,this may be abit slugish at low RPM but feel peaky at high RPM.

        I think turbo’s have made drivers of small performance cars lazy,there is nothing more involving than driving a NA RWD 4cly on a twisty road,with lots of changers in direction.Awesome fun.

      • smokin’R32

        And it was front wheel drive, less safety features

  • Dave

    Its under powered. Same kw outputs as a gti but slower to 100k than an XR5… With vastly less torque.

    • MatthewM

      This car is about going fast in the corners, not fast in the straights.

      • Dave

        As are gti’s, xr5′s, megane 250′s, focus rs’s etc….. All of which this car is slower and has less power than….

        • MatthewM

          All of which are wrong wheeled drive, understeer, suffer from torque-steering and have a higher CoG than…

          • Dave

            Bull twang… When driving on the twisties, anyone with a clue would take any of the above mentioned cars over this rear wheel nonsense with 1980′s power output….. Than…

          • Pro346

            @dave yeah people are gong to prefer front wheel drive hatchbacks over a proper sports car..I think not

    • CRS200

      Now that’s were you got it all wrong!

      It’s RWD and that is already a let down on twisty roads.
      Twisty roads is FWD territory and AWD. RWD will only drift and drifting is loosing time/speed.
      Fun yes but not it’s territory.

      Also this cars true competitor is the Clio RS 200 weight and power figures are exactly the same!

      • Pro346

        If fwd is great why dont all the top sports cars have it?and the ones that use awd usually have a rear bias

        • CRS200

          What part didn’t you understand?

          For twisty roads the ones like Macquarie Pass or Monte Carlo, FWD will dominate a RWD by a far margin.
          But in an open track were the corners aren’t so tight and closed, RWD is a better performer.

          Name me one Rally car in the modern era that is RWD!?
          I saw allot of rally’s in tarmac in conditions the same as the Monte Carlo Rally and FWD’s usually are quicker than RWD’s, and guess what no RWD’s!

          Read first before you make idiotic judgments.

          • Blue Soup

            I agree the FWD may be faster in some twisty roads even most, BUT we are talking about a production car for everyday enthusiast’s who is looking for a rewarding drive on a budget and NO FWD car can offer the same sensation quicker or not.
            If you don’t get it you will never get it?

    • Blue Soup

      Yeah but who wants a GTI or an XR5?????????
      i sure as shit don’t bring back the true drivers car

      • Dave

        If you had ever driven a gti or an xr5, you’d want one….

        • Blue Soup

          Driven both and wouldn’t have either!!!

      • Ben

        Yeah, the hundreds of awards and thousands of great reviews are all wrong… The GTI is crap cause you say so…

        You got any other demonstrations of your small minded idiocy?

  • A B

    Overall disappointing. Doesn’t look muscular. Looks like an economy car. Wheels are too narrow. FT-86 concept looked much better. 147kW – too underpowered by today’s performance car standards.

    • notatoy

      It’s never suppose to be a performance car. It’s light sports car.

      • Trump

        Why can’t people see that Toyota have allowed themselves plenty of room for a series 2 and series 3 upgrade.

        Sports cars have sales patterns like fads, and therefore need to have midlife upgrades for continued sales.

        The 350Z started at 206kw. The series 2 had 230kw and the final iteration with “power bulge” bonnet had 245kw.

        • JESSE

          lol toyota need a hero car to try and regain some brownie points with enthusiasts and under 50′s… leaving room for future performance versions is good, but if the car doesn’t get the right audience’s attention right from the start it’ll be labelled as soft and won’t get their attention in hotter versions either…. it’s different if you’re Porsche… porsche don’t need to change their image, everyone knows the GT2 will come out toward the end of the production run.

          if this gets labelled as a hairdresser car…like the RX8… then Toyota have failed BIG TIME…. and it wont matter if they release a “levin” or “TRD” or “Sportivo” version… it’ll never capture the hearts of enthusiasts… people will keep their JZA80′s, AE86′s, SW20′s and ST205 GT4′s… much like they kept their RX3′s, 4′s and 7′s and didn’t bother moving to the RX8 which had less power than the Mazda 3 MPS…

          Toyota need to prove something with this car and they have a lot of work to do to change peoples minds after all the boring, lifeless tin cans they’ve built over the last 15 years.

      • Blue Soup

        A B doesn’t get it and he probably never will that’s why there half hearted sporty cars like Golf GTI !!!

  • o

    this would have been amazing in 2005, I just love unite grated radio systems and the hand brake looks like its in a horrible position

  • Alexander

    I think it looks great! Judging by Autocar’s first drive review of a prototype – it looks like a real winner to drive. Finally Toyota’s doing something fun again!

    • Alexander

      Just read their second review – they say the ‘driving experience is a match for the likes of a Porsche Cayman’ – promising considering AutoCar is usually pretty hard to please.

  • Glen

    Is there a higher performance turbo variant coming too, ala 200sx. turbo rwd coupe & affordable.

    • Blue Soup

      The 200SX had only 147kw in OZ with potential more, I am sure there is potential for more here aswell.

  • GIG

    AUD $30,000? I dunt think so. If it ask for USD $30,000, that’ll be AUD $70,000 in Australia. then how the hell can I not buy a 370Z???

  • F1MotoGP

    Not bad but low Nm from a turbo 2 liter engine. Golf got 280Nm @ 1700-5200rpm!!!

    • RFAlpha

      That’s because it’s not a 2L turbo.

      It’s Subaru’s new FA20 block + Toyota D4-S and Yamaha turning N/A boxer engine.

  • Sumpguard

    That is a very good looking ,well proportioned car. A long time between drinks toyota. It deserves a Supra or Celica badge.

    The dash could have been a tad more modern though.

  • Ryan D

    The only thing I’m not sold on is the wheel design. Having said that, I’ll take mine in white, thanks!

  • Wal

    I think it looks good, has lots of tuning potential, however interior isn’t great, underpowered as mentioned before.
    It should have power output at least around 160kw, otherwise they should have just turbo charged it like most car companies do nowadays

  • Pauly

    Well done Toyota. I would expect a GT model to come out a year later with more power.

    Toyota 86
    Toyota 86 GT

    Golf GTI
    Golf R

    Lancer Ralliart
    Lancer Evolution

    Focus XR5
    Focus RS

    Cooper S
    Cooper JCW

    See where I’m going?

    More power will come down the track with future models. Toyota and Subaru need to make their money back on this project remember!

  • iNoob

    It has been confirmed there will be NO turbo/supercharged variant. Only 1000 made per year as well.

    It’s all over FT-86 forums with a forum member who’s in Japan and heard the details by the engineers at the 86 release.

    • Trump

      Just like Lexus were only making 500 examples of the LF-A, then came the nurburgring version!

  • HungLow

    Good work Toyota! For those complaining about the power, it will be adequate and you will get the bonus of sharper throttle response, proper exhaust note and linear power delivery from a screaming n/a engine.

    The car is light weight and will be a platform for plenty of future modifications.

  • Andre

    Looking at the autocar review, they are quoting it as having 17″ wheels and a price of 28,000 pommie pounds.

    That puts it into the $45,000 mark as a straight currency conversion and I reckon we can safely assume that it will cost more than that here because we all know that Australia is grossly ripped off with car prices. :(

  • HJP

    This car meant to be designed for cornering capability not for straight line performance. Drifters will love this and it has close link to AE86 which was a car with renowned cornering capabilities. I am hoping this car will live up to the reputation by its predecessor.

  • http://caradvice OSU811

    I really like it. Great looks, excellant engine/gearbox and RWD.!! good work Toyota/Subaru

  • notatoy

    Doesn’t look bad but it is not a 2011 car.

  • 440 R/T Charger

    Simple is good….i dont mind lot of hard plastic as long as is rewarding to drive.

  • ElecEng

    Looking great, though not in that colour.

    I think starting price will be AU$39K with AU$45K if you ticked all the boxes.

    Apprently Australia will only get ONE FT86 per dealear per month. So it will be pretty limited.

    I also heard that the gearbox is a derivative of the old Supra’s 6 speed manual. From memory, that gearbox was able to handle 800hp… =)

    • Lukaas

      Dont listen to the 1000 per year build quantity.

      If there are a million buyers on initial day, do you honestly think Toyota will tell them… “well thats too bad we only making 1000 this year”.

      Doesnt make sense, business wise…

      This isnt carbon fiber chassis, break through technology etc….

      I believe 1000 units (and I do read FT86club regularly and that person’s post) was a misunderstanding….

      just doesnt make sense. FT-86 club forums have about 20,000 users willing to buy it now…. why would Toyota/Subaru be against sales….

    • Maz

      People, gtf over it. It’s meant to replace the AE-86.. Not the Supra or be a turbo charged factory racer.. Read the history of the AE-86 and you’ll see it’s a worthy successor!!!

      Low weight, rwd. As someone posted earlier, strip a bit more weight out of it, full exhaust, ecu reflash it will make another 15-20kw. (Hopefully).

      Pretty handy from a N/A 2 litre..

  • nugsdad

    Well first of all to Toyota who we always bag re their white goods we should give congratulations.
    As an ex RX-8 owner the lack of torque is a killer in city driving. I fear this will be the same sharp looks that gets blown off at the lights by standard golfs, any 6 cylinder, in fact anything with grunt. Easy to say great driving up to Mount Glorious, Old Pacific Hwy etc but that usually is less than 5% of your driving.
    Why wouldn’t you get the 370Z?

    • NacaYoda

      370Z costs twice as much and has two less seats?

      • Trump

        370GT then at half the price as a grey….slightly less top end power, same torque and all the luxury’s

        • Lukaas

          Its heavy… although I do like the Skyline V37 Coupes, but I’m not looking for a luxury coupe…. if I could I want it lighter.

    • Lukaas

      I had 350Z 2 years ago, sold it and got a WRX STI.

      Why?

      350Z was so limiting, couldnt go anywhere with any pals. Just a loner driving session down the highway…

      The GT 86 will offer room, albeit very small, still can accomodate 4 people…. can even fit the pet dog at the back.

    • Blue Soup

      if this doesn’t drive better than an RX-8 I will be bitterly disapointed!

  • dimka100

    Hmmm it seems that people are excited about this car but I’m not sure what the fuzz is all about???

    The car does not look bad at all, however its nowhere near as good as the prototype was with the low ride hide gone, LED lights gone, other small touches gone, rear does not look as good …

    Then there is the total disappointment of an engine, I’m sorry but 147kw these days is just does not cut it … hell in the late 90s, early 2000s Honda had 2 ltr engines delivering a lot more power while lacking such high compression ratio and direct injection technologies … and when comparing to the need breed of 2ltr turbo engine now featured in many car makes this engine is looking way underpowered (200nm of torque anyone). Sure in a 700kg Lotus this thing would be great, but this Toyota is around 1200kg if not more one all the features are added and that’s no lightweight anymore …

    Handling wise Toyota can boast as much as they like but are yet to deliver … there are no impressive brakes featured on this car, ride high seems to be high suggesting tuning for comfort, wheel diameter while large is actually fairly narrow, tyres are common … so I don’t really see this thing out handling other cars in its class (e.g. Renault Clio 197 Cup)

    All in all a poor effort in my book, people just seem to forget how much value the 2000SX offered at 40K, rear drive, same weight, a proper turbo engine, awesome handling especially drifting capabilities … somehow I get a feeling that the crowd Toyota is really looking for is the common hairdresser who likes to think they drive a sports car, vs the people who actually want to own a sports car and maybe do some work to it …

    • Blue Soup

      i took the time to read your comments and all i heard was a hole heap of BLAH BLAH BLAH coming from uneducated narrowminded fool!!!!
      BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.
      The car is designed for the enthusiast with tuning in mind thats why there’s a lack of computer technology with view of aftermarket Computers, Brakes, Engine components (cams, valves, injectors and in the future maybe even throttle bodies????) Strip 100 to 200kg up the power by 20% and you unleash a very fun car thats individual to the owner, And WOW you have a cult car that will still have as strong a following in 20 years as it does on pre-release for example AE86 sprinter!!!!!!
      Wake up and smell the flowers???????????????

    • Lukaas

      The fact that you mentioned 80K AUD cars like Lotus, S2000…. already you fail dimka100.

      The people who are looking at this car have about 35K-45K budget and looking for a little bit of practicality and ability to buy tuner parts in the future..

      And its actually pretty close to S2000, barring the extra 30kW…. the S2000 has 221NM torque…. a mere 16NM torque extra and it didnt affect its zippy take offs.

  • JP

    So THAT’S where all the leftover Tiger paint went when they discontinued it on the VX Commodore……

    • trippyfoo

      lol . . good call.

      Was it VX , or was it with the VT when they introduced the Gen III – Not that Au faye with Commodore history.

      * on a different note,

      I for one, am excited about this car..

      There is just no pleasing some keyboard warriors online.

      Yes, you can go and buy a golf Gti ..

      but at least there other choices …

      People go on about the days of the 200sx .. etc etc..
      but no one bought them. or could get insurance .. if you were under 25 . .etc etc.

  • zandit

    Can someone please tell why every other forum/car website is calling this the GT 86, yet here it is just the 86. Is this confirmed name for just Australia?

  • http://www.caradvice.com.au Jez Spinks

    Zandit, the Toyota sports car is carrying different names in different markets. It will be called the GT 86 in the UK, for example, while sitting under Toyota’s younger-buyer-focused Scion brand (as the FR-S) in the US. It will be known as just the 86 in Australia.
    Jez Spinks

  • JSTTRS

    Pretty gay.. Go buy a Golf GTI with more power, alot more torque and probably similer $$

    • Lukaas

      Golf GTI isnt anything special except it has a turbo on it and has a sporty suspension.

      And Golf GTI is 50K AUD for a FWD hatch.

      WRX is actually better buy at any rate as it is 4WD, more power, bigger cabin/boot, cheaper performance upgrades, more reliable.

      • Blue Soup

        suk that JSTTRS!!!!!!!

        • UniversityOfGoogle

          “WRX is actually better buy at any rate as it is 4WD, more power, bigger cabin/boot, cheaper performance upgrades, more reliable”

          ^this

    • Blue Soup

      YOUR GAY!

  • incentive75

    Rubbish!!!

    • Lukaas

      For the money (sub 40K AUD).

      What other new cars are alternative? if you were after a RWD, light weight Coupe?

      147kW is decent for a daily driver, might cost you $50-60 bucks a week on petrol driving 80-100kms both ways.

      Not shabby..

      Flash the ECU and add aftermarket exhaust and you get an extra 10kW….. So 157kW for $2000 upgrade. And you still only have 1180kg weight from it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

    Rank colour

  • autoboy

    Hairdresser’s car.

    Sorry, but at this level of spec – not for me. I don’t want to be rowing the gearbox all day in order to keep the revs up. Throw in a few steep hills with your twisty sections, a slow vechical or three to get past, the odd B-doubble going up hill, a low speed corner with a full tank of juice and passangers on board, and this is the worst thing i could possibly imagine. At this level of spec it will be found wanting.

    Give me real hot four. MPS = 190Kw .. and 380nm in the mid rage (what’s this got,205Nnm at 6600) not to mention the other $40+ contenders (RS megane, WRX, GTI, RS etc) Nuff said. Handling might be OK, but then again so is the Mazda6 in this respect.

    Don’t for one moment be fooled into thinking that this is anything other than a hairdressers car (to use a term for the 80s … and toyota knows how to make these (eg. non-turbo celicas). Me suspects one will be paying for style over substance only to be disapointed when the aforementioned big boys step up to the plate. But then, if that’s what floats your boat, knock yourself out.

    • Lukaas

      So that meant

      Honda Integra Type R = hair dressers car
      Honda Civic Type R = hair dressers car
      Honda S2000 = rich hair dressers car
      Nissan Silvia S15 Non-turbo = hair dressers car
      Honda Prelude SI = hair dressers car
      Honda NSX = Exotic car for exotic hair dressers (since it has tiny amount of torque for a “super car”

      I can go on buddy.

      When you actually stop and think, most people who bought the above cars are tuners, or people who loved “light” high revving cars.

      And the Toyota 86′s predeccessor was the Corolla AE86, it was FAR from a hair dressers car.

      you know what a Hair dressers car is?
      A cute car that is trendy but doesnt appeal to tuners.

      The 86′s biggest market is the tuner crowd. Go look up the forums and clubs dedicated to the AE86 and for the 86 also. Then look up the forums and clubs of tuners for the Type R range from Honda….

      Now go call them Hair Dressers, and then tell them what car you drive and what kind of knowledge you have on it apart from the brochure you picked up from Car Dealer.

      • autoboy

        Yep (buddy)… that’s right “hairdresser’s car”.

        Turbo or not is a not issue. Who cares.

        The laws of physics are another thing.

        If you want to talk “light weight, this cars’s power to weight ratio is just not that great, while its toque to weight is simply woeful.

    • Blue Soup

      GOLF GTI Hairdresser’s car!!!!!!
      RENAULT MEGANE Blind Hairdresser’s car!!!!!!!!!!
      MAZDA 3 MPS Hairdresser’s Husbands car because she like the look NOT because of its Performance and Lack Handling!!!!!!!

      • autoboy

        MPS and handling you say? Ever heard of the Targa Tasmania or Jake Camilleri and the Shannons Nationals? Clearly not.

        • Blue Soup

          Yeah it won its class, But what did it have to compete with other FWD torque steering pigs.
          I have spent a fair bit of time in a MPS and yes it is quick but not a drivers car in any right more like an over powered poor engineered example. I never thought i would ever i mean EVER say this but a golf GTI is a better example of FWD drivers car.

          • autoboy

            You (Blue Soup) somehow forgot to also tell us that the MPS picked up 4th “overall” in the Targa against AWDs, RWDs and much more exotic machinery. Not too bad for an “overpowered poorly engineered example”.

          • Blue Soup

            It’s a Credit to the Driver not the car!!!

        • autoboy

          “its a credit to the driver, not the car”.

          Gee, I didn’t see that old chestnut coming (NOT).

          No doubt the MPS team had a terrific driver in Reeves. I could not agree more.

          I might also mention that the 3MPS was not up against FWDs in a so-called FWD “pigs” class. It was in the “showroom” class and came 4th outright against all classes and some very expensive machinery and other professional drivers …in wet conditions.

          Anyways, explain it how you will. Fact is this car came 4th, and I don’t see the 86 doing this anytime soon. Sebastian Vettel could drive this thing at the Targa and it wouldn’t come 4th outright against the 2011 competition.

          And with that I repeat my point with which many here agree … the 86 as presently showroom configured, lacks grunt, and will be owned by the current crop of FWD & AWD hot hatches let alone their upcoming iterations.

          I’ll also agree … the 3MPS is not a precision instrument in the way of the (torque-less) RX8 which consistently fails in the Targa. With the MPS you have to dominate it or else it will take you places you don’t want to be. But the faster it goes the harder it goes, the better it goes as shown in the Targa.

          But then again, the ‘showroom’ 86 is not all about big KWs, or brutal torque laden performance is it? How could it be with virtually only half the torque of a 3MPS, but not near only half the weight. Do the math! Even Toyota acknowledges that much.

          Its a hairdresser’s car … not that there’s anything wrong with that.

          • Blue Soup

            where did you buy yoyr crystal ball from? I would like to know who gonna win at Randwick next saturday week in Race 8?

  • Toby EVO X

    I think it looks pretty good. I reckon the only way to guage how good this car is will be to ‘drive’ it and actually see how fun it is. I don’t think engine specs, tyre widths etc are going to say a lot. maybe it will be a fun car, skinnyish tyres and not much torque….. Could lead to turn in, foot down flat with light controllable overseer maybe?….. Wasn’t the engineering direction with the current mx5 for it to have NO more grip than the outgoing model…..

    • ElecEng

      I think you’re right on the money.
      I won’t say how good this will handle as I have not test driven it yet, but looks like the skinny tyres are for easy lift-off oversteer. And with the proper mechanical LSD (hopefully 1.5), lift off oversteer might really happen.

  • incentive75

    …….even Takumi’s 86 was a turbo, and that weighted sub 1000kg.

  • JESSE

    +1. hairdresser’s car.

    it’s nice… but it’s not NICE.

    I might suggest my mum check it out when it comes time to trade in the corolla.

    for me, it’s significantly slower than my MR2 turbo, and even with it’s low centre of gravity and front-mid engine… i dont think it will be as exciting to drive. lower power/weight, electronic driver aids, and watered down styling…

  • 440 R/T Charger

    Toyota nearly got kill by its CFO and accountants…car company cant just look at numbers…it got to have passion about cars too. Fun to Drive again! Thanks Mr. Toyoda.

  • Jimmy James

    Mum will enjoy driving this from the Nursing Home to the Bowls club.

    • Lukaas

      How come?
      Your girlfriend took your GTI to go shoe shopping?

  • AndyGF

    ONLY 205 NM of torque… The S2000 had more torque than that and at least it could deliver a peek 177/180kw, not 147kw. Even then the S2000 you had to work her hard to crack a smile, and it took me a while before I drove my old S confidently.

    Can you imagine how hard you are going to have to work to extract any kind of enjoyment out of that RWD chassis. I bet you it will understeer too, to play it safe, so you will have to absolutely wring its neck to find the sweet spot and then you will be doing so dangerously, bump the rev limiter at the wrong time through a corner and you are going to find yourself in all sorts of trouble.

    This car will compete with the MX-5 in terms of driver feedback. But a true drivers car, it is not…

    • Nasal Explorer

      Geez . . . what a prophet you are AndyGF. Which horse is going to win the next Melbourne Cup?

    • Lukaas

      LOL

      GT-86
      147kW @7000rpm
      205NM @6600rpm
      1180kg
      4 seater
      $45K AUD

      S2000
      178kW @7800rpm
      221NM @6500rpm
      1295kg
      2 seater
      $80K AUD

      DO THE MATHS AndyFG (also known as Toyota hater)

      • AndyGF

        Firstly; Its even worse than it looks, because it was only the US Spec S2000 (F22C) that weighs 1295kg, the 2.0 9000rpm S2000′s weighs only 1250kg. That being said the S2000 we got here though lighter, only gave 207NM of torque.

        (Still 10 years of automotive progress, and extra compression and direct injection and you are getting a hell of a lot less when you buy a 86)

        Secondly; The fact that there is no mention yet of the FT86 having an LSD is further proof that you are going to have just as much fun driving a BMW 320i as you are driving that car.

        (Negating your argument that this is a practical alternative to an S2000, because at least the Honda is a true sports car and has enough power to exploit its chassis)

        Lastly; Im no hater, you just dont like what I have to say… I wouldnt have minded if they gave the 86 not much power, as long as it had a decent +-300NM torque curve and a Limited Slip Diff it still could be a true drivers car. Now it looks like its going to be just like a S2000 (stuck below 6000rpm), you can exploit the chassis, as long as its raining…

        (All they had to do was give it a small subaru wrx turbocharger.)

        When I saw the FT 86 concept 2 I really hoped this car was going to be Toyota’s swansong, a car where they forget about maximizing their profits and showing what they can really do and forgetting the, lets be honest; ‘limited reach’ of the fame initial D gave the original. It seams their initial D recklessness even managed to mess up the last 20 years of Subarus racing heritage, all because of some anime cult status? Crazy…

    • Blue Soup

      For anyone to say an MX-5 is not a drivers car is in need of Brain surgery or something more major may youth an asia???????????
      Power doesn’t mean drivers car.

      • JESSE

        lol i didn’t bother replying – but total agreement… MX5 is a GREAT drivers car (i thought that spoke for itself)… a little underpowered but can easily be fixed with a supercharger… or 13B.

        • Koruption

          but how do you fit in them,im only 5’10″ and still cant fit comfortably????

    • Lukaas

      The MX5 is better driver’s car than GTI….

      Look it up AndyFG…. look it up.

      We know you own a GTI and hence justifying your purchase, but no need to put down other cars to sleep better at night.

  • ElecEng

    CA, can you double check for us as my mate who works at Toyota said that Australia will get a 2.5L engine? (instead of 2L)

  • Banga

    I think way too much extended hype for this car! Its going to be a fairly popular mainstream car, like the Celica. Maybe should have callled it the TC-86?

  • kratos

    I like the front end on the Toyota but the rear end on the Subaru version. If I could actually afford one this would be quite the dilemma..

  • davie

    If the after market tuners don’t turbo this engine I will be very suprised.

    Given the engine is set so far back there will hopefully be lots of room for a bit of turbo plumbing and intercoolers

  • Flabby Chap

    From what I have gathered here, I can say that many of the people may know what is an AE86. But 99% of the people here don’t know the significance of this car.

    • Blue Soup

      Finally someone understands

  • Dan

    The dimensions and weight are almost the same as the second gen Mazda mx6, with a lower centre of gravity plus better suspension, wider tyres, lighter more powerful engine and rear wheel drive will all add to a fun car to drive. If 0-100 times are the same as a golf gti then you would think with the 86 being 160kgs lighter it should easily outrun a gti up a mountainous road with mostly fast and sharp corners. Sure the gti torque will help gain some of the distance lost on the corners but a good driver could keep the 86 in the right rev range and you’d have no chance.

    • Lukaas

      exactly… you can actually travel faster around a bend and keep the throttle at high revs…. so quicker exits off the bends too.

      FWD higher torque will provide more under steering me thinks… but I’m not use to FWD… I only drove 4WD and RWDs around mountainous trails.

  • gmh-bogan

    We all know Toyota for reliability and build quality.A sporty Toyota is not what the company stands for.Good to see there entering motor racing and building sporty cars from that.

  • RFAlpha

    To all, please have a read of this quote from Tetsuya Tada, Chief Engineer of the Toyota 86:

    “We visited with car enthusiasts in Japan, America and Europe. The feedback we received was almost always the same. They said there are a lot of sports cars with high horsepower that are very fast, but these are not the sports cars that they want to have. They want small compact cars that are controllable, that they can tune themselves. However, that kind of sports car is not on the market. Therefore, these sports car enthusiasts are forced to continue to use older cars from a long time ago, because there is no new alterative on the market.”

    “We also went to competitors and asked them: “Why do you focus on fast cars?” The response almost always was: ‘Actually, we really don’t want to develop these kinds of cars. But once we bring a plan to develop that car to our board, the first question the directors of the company would ask is: How much faster is that car compared to what the competition has? How many seconds faster around the Nürburgring? What about the acceleration? These questions always come up because numerical performance is the easiest to understand.
    Now how did we get the permission from our board? The only reason was that among the directors, there was a person called Akio Toyoda, who is a car enthusiast himself.”

    “There is a Toyota standard for designing new cars. This standard was to a large extent ignored. Why did we do this? There are cars that are accepted by a lot of people. Practical cars that are easy to drive and that do not break easily. These are standard Toyota cars. The 86 is not a car like that. We had to change our design approach for this car. We may have to do this again for other cars.
    It is impossible to develop a sports car that appeals to everybody. If you try to please everybody, the car would be half-baked for everybody, and not particularly good for anybody. This car is not developed by a committee, or by consensus.

    “To make the car customizable, we did away with computers to the highest extent possible. A lot of the cars on the market today are controlled by computers. People have the feeling that they are driven by the car instead of them driving the car. That makes for a boring experience. That is why we decided to go back to the basics of car making. With the low center of gravity, the driver now is in personal touch with the road again.”

    And keep those comments in mind before you post yet another “pathetic horsepower/torque numbers” comment.

    If you want just another high HP coupe wait for the new Hyundai Genesis Coupe or go the 370Z route, because you’re not Toyota’s target audience.

    • nugsdad

      This is all Japanese for we built it to a price

      • JESSE

        I’d read that interview before…and the one with Akio Toyoda who was also one of the test drivers, and the one where he apologised for toyota making boring cars and abandoning car enthusiasts.

        having read them – it’s not the power..its the WEIGHT!

        1200kg is a lot more than 910kg…which is what the AE86 was.

        if you read more of those interviews you’d see that they didn’t plan on putting electronic driver aids in… this would have dropped the weight more (less actuators etc)… and the price.

        • Blue Soup

          the AE86 had 88kw or 100kw with big port head, that’s a lot less than 147kw it should make up for the extra weight, i would think???

          • JESSE

            sure in accelleration… then theres turning and stopping.

          • Blue Soup

            are you serious, you are gonna compare mid 80′s braking technology like single piston caliper’s 9″ inch Discs on the front and 8″ solid rear discs to current day ABS and F & R vented discs which im sure the fronts will measure up bigger than 10.5″ and the rear being at least 9″ and will have at twin piston calipers up front. 1200kg or not.

  • VW

    This is just the next generation Celica IMO.

    Its taken them 6 years to add 7km and 25Nm from the last Celica.

    The only differentiating factor is its rear wheel drive. Is this a good thing? NO! Rear wheel drives lose more power through the differential. So in the end, the old Celica has more power AT THE WHEELS than this vehicle.

    Such an anti-climax.

    • Dangel

      This engine brings back memories of 1998 and owning a prelude VTIR ,identical power , close torks and weight , great car , magic FWD handling , no grunt , got RSI from changing cogs .

      Lets hope subaru strap a turbo on , i doubt it with toyota pushing the buttons .

      Just another hohum sports car from the big T ,should have called it the celica .

    • JESSE

      and the celica had smaller wheels… bigger wheels = bigger leverage = less force….. the celica will pull harder cause of that too…

      • Lukaas

        You forgetting weight…. wheel weight trumps the extra “inch” diameter.

        • JESSE

          and bigger wheels are heavier…. more rotational mass means you need more power and more brakes and have higher unsprung weight… the increased weight of a bigger wheel just adds to the increased diameter to give you less drive…

    • Lukaas

      Did you read the 3+ articles on how this car handled and drove?

      there was ABSOLUTELY no mention that it reminded them of the previous Celica…. maybe the 80s Celica…. but not the previous Celica.

      Your just a NUMBERS guy….

    • Blue Soup

      Another VW owner who’s got NO BRAINS AND HAPPY WITHOUT!!!

  • VW

    *7kw.

    Not to mention, the old Celica ALSO weighed 100kg LESS than this vehicle.

    Great marketing by Toyota though, it has people fooled.

  • Phil

    For all I care, if they get the price right, it is the only affordable RWD coupe in the market. Nothing stoping Toyota doing a more powerful version down the track.

    Some people just don’t like a hatch with body kit and turbo ala GTI, RS250.

    • cjg

      Turbo lag, your joking right???

      there will be plenty of lag with 200nm at 6000rpm plus…!

  • Pauly

    Hyundai will be ready with the next generation Genesis Coupe to compete with the Toyota 86.

    Now I wonder when Honda will release a new Integra? hmm..

    • Blue Soup

      NO COMPETITION!

  • The Doctor

    I have seen better photos of the car elsewhere and it has 911/Z370/Ferrari California DNA in the in the design of the body but I am not sure about that instrument panel – I don’t like the idea of trying to concentrate on my driving when Cyclops is looking back at me! Take a look on World Car Fan website.

    • JESSE

      that was the prototype…this is the watered down production version.

  • Lukaas

    Looking at the Specs

    its actually very close to a S2000…. but sits 2 more people and is HALF the price.

    I think the people dissapointed the most are HOONS, who have realize they can’t do burn outs at traffic lights and fish tail around round abouts in their AUTOMATIC V6s and V8s.

    Some impressions from Japan, Australians there have driven it and have managed to spun out… so its not TOO underpowered after all for HOONING.

    • AndyGF

      Thats the problem, you have to push it right to the engines limits to actually near the chassis potential; “Spinning Out” is all you are going to be able to do… Well maybe you are a champion, but the S2000′s lack of torque was tricky enough for me.

      Being a little too underpowered is actually more dangerous than being overpowered when you have a balanced chassis. Bump that rev limiter at the wrong time through the corner and its going to be *back off oversteer* for you. Or change before the corner and get passed by a BMW 320i and its electronic wizardry… up to you?

      • Dan

        Why would you redline/hit rev limiter around a corner? Did you choose the wrong gear or couldn’t hear the engine at it’s peak? If you were going to hit the rev limiter I think you should either maintain your speed or change gears is possible. Would be stupid to willingly hit the rev limiter if you knew that would happen…. Stupid argument

        • AndyGF

          You are going to have to be near its redline to exploit this “drivers cars” chassis less you get passed by cars less powerful than you have, and a whole army of FWD’s, you are not going to feel very good about yourself or your car if that happens? Mmmm?

          Being normally aspirated and having such measly torque you are not going to get that rear end to do anything at 4000rpm in 2nd gear or higher. You are going to have to be right at the redline before it might start talking to you. And then I hope you are a waaaay better (or braver) driver than I…

          • Blue Soup

            I tryin to establish wether you read the review at all AndyGF. It reads to me that there was no problem gettin the rear end out a little. Why would someone of your intelligence even bother to comment. The last trackday i was at i sat back and watched a 2yr old Stock MX-5 (with slicks) lap faster than not 1 GTI but 3 which 2 of had aftermarket exhausts and 1 was chipped.
            With grip and driving ability this car was in a higher gear onsong where ya FWD were not.
            OPEN YA EYES you obvisiously own a FWD!!

          • Dangel

            Spot on andy , these dreamers , no grunt , will be left for dead , dejavu prelude 1998 , was quick last century, before turbo’s really kicked in .

            This will be boring , hope scoobie can pump their version up .

          • Jesse

            Mmmm fwd rocks. That’s why they use it in F1. Wise up.

            I’m a bit disappointed with this car so far. But peak power and torque matter less than torque spread. Being a boxer, it should build early. If its 200nm from 3-6krpm then “peaks” at 205 it will drive better than something that produces 150nm till 5k then peaks at 250.

            All that said. My 1990 toyota sits dead flat a little over 350nm from 3.5krpm to 8k with a 4cyl engine developed in the 80′s. I would have liked a little more from Toyota 20 years down the track.

          • Blue Soup

            F1 FWD BaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!
            WRC peddle power?????

  • Toyota Guru

    hats off to Toyota :)
    Looks great, should drive great and will hopefully be a cheap little sports car.

    Wouldn’t mind a turbo though :p

  • Nafe

    I thinks it’s perfect. It’s not supposed to be fast in a straight line. Toyota have even said it’s not fast. It’s supposed to be fun…. Bringing back fun and excitement to driving, rather than just numbers and figures and 0-100…..
    I take it all of you saying it will not be faste enough ahve never driven an AE86? The twin cam JDM version? That is the spirit they are bringing Back. I owned one and loved it. And no, I never thought it was fast.
    I will be buying one without a second thought if the pricing is right.

    • Jesse

      Well I don’t see anyone saying it needs LESS power, or more weight. Or that they wouldn’t buy it if it had more torque.

  • JoKiDe

    When we see it mid next year, if Toyota release it with a fixed rate finance rate and a capped price cervicing schedule it could be a master stroke.

    As for people who want a “fast car” why not go buy a 2nd hand TRD Aurion, believe me they are very quick in a straight line. As has been said many times this car is for driving pleasure and I can’t wait to get have the oppurtunity for a drive.

    For many years people have been crying out for the Big T to bring out a sports car again and here it is. I do have one question for the people who want it to have more power, what do they want from a NA 4 cylinder engine, how much power?

    I would love to see the TRD brand reborn on this car in a couple of years, possibly an AWD version with a heartier 180-190kw tuned engine, they could have that power and keep it with the RWD, but this car priced at the mid $40k mark in TRD guise with a sprint time of 0-100 in between 5-6 seconds would prove a hit.

    Next issue, why would toyota call this the “supra” when they have applied to have this name trademark, by them doing this they have 3 years from issue date to use this name again, the rumours are there of a new Mark V Supra powered by a nice 373kw V8, however knowing how Toyota works we just need official word from them that it will be a go ahead.

    But lets look at the timeline over the past decade, Lexus release a super car which shows the company/companies are capable of producing some fantastic engines. We have the FT86 released to show they can still produce a coupe body for a sports model. These two major things along with a few others like Scion, TRD, partnerships with Subaru, Aston Martin, BMW and who knows maybe we are seeing a highly secretive project for the Supra.

    I know many people will dislike this as to it being highly unlikely, probably less likely than winning the lotto, but I would rather dream of this and think that for one moment we could all be seeing one of the biggest revivals in Japanese performance cars possibly ever.

    Think about it new Skyline, potential of new Honda NSX, potential of new Supra.

    • JESSE

      you’re forgetting the Allesandro Volta concept vehicle and “world’s greenest company” awards. Given the TRD catalogue has been rapidly whittled away to revolve around key chains, stickers, and a couple of rebranded superchargers, i think we may be more likely to see a TRD Prius than a Supra…. the LFA basically IS the new supra.

      Although Toyota were touring a v8 coupe around the states a couple of years back… i suspect because of price it would more than likely wind up wearing a lexus badge.

      • JoKiDe

        To a certain extent you are right, but look at the R35 GT-R, its priced at well over $100,000 and still sells because it’s Nissans “hero” car, the Supra can be the same to Toyota, price it at around $70k or upto as high as $90k and it will sell, look at the 370z it sells and is up near that $70k price.

        TRD has the potential to use the IS350 as a platform, with its 232kw 3.5l V6 in RWD converted over to Toyota/TRD could easily be supercharged and/or made hybrid for a performance increase like the Hybrid camry (think normal camry 117kw vs hybrid camry 140kw, this roughly equates to a 20% power increase) and we could see a hybrid Supra producing 280kw whilst using 7.0l/100km traveled. Could that show the big T flexing its hybrid muscle to blow all arguments about hyrbids out of the water.

        Would you buy this as a car, a V6 producing more power than a 6.0L SS commodore whilst drinking half the amount of it, what’s not to love, if people were to say the stigma of a hybrid then it would be asked why is every other major manufacturer looking to emulate Toyota with Hybrid style vehicles or using them for enhancing their current vehicles

        • JESSE

          I’m not saying you’re wrong… i believe theres definately a market for a new supra (hopefully with sharper handling than the mkIV, which from memory was a little vague in the steering… but thats compared to the mr2 i guess, not the camry, and i havent driven a supra in a few years)

          I dont know if you’ve driven a hybrid camry or not… i hired one for a few days last month and would rate it as one of the worst driving vehicles i’ve ever driven…. complete lack of driver feedback and non responsive throttle and brakes… it may have 140kw peak power, but over Mt Glorious i found it almost dangerous and consistently had to pull over to let people pass… no such problem 2 weeks later in a 118kw Audi a4.

          it’s also worth noting that average fuel consumption on the hybrid camry was only 0.5L/100km better than my 270rwkw MR2… hybrids aren’t quite there yet.

          • JoKiDe

            I can tell you now I own a hybrid camry and have complete faith in them, they were never designed for driver feedback or response, they were desigend as a nice fuel efficient yet powerful family car that is safe, which is why my wife and I purchased it.

            Hybrids are there, for using 6.0L/100km out of a family sedan is as good as some of the smaller T/D models that are half the size of the overall car. I do 1200km a week in travelling and have found that a tank nearly lasts me the whole week, as for power I remember the last long weekend we had we our camry down the Clyde mountain and back up when we came home, I found that we did it with ease.

            It’s also worth noting that Toyota’s current crop of hybrids are designed for making the everyday drive of a larger sized vehicle as efficient as a small 1.3L 4cyl T/D car, but if they used them to purely improve the power of a vehicle would have a great effect in doing so.

            I am just dreaming about what could happen and more importantly and praying that we see a new Supra

  • GTVAE86

    This 86 looks the goods, would have liked some of the lines that the concept had not removed on the final version, but the majority of the styling is still there. If they can keep the weight of this car to be under 1200kg as it is rumoured to be it should be nimble in the twisties. Put on a Carbon bonnet, boot lid and if possible a roof and you will get close to just 1000kgs.

    I have owened an AE86 GTV Levin and I never bought the car because of the power it had…. I bought the car because with just a 1.6litre engine I was able to stick on the arse of my mate’s STI 2-door Subaru on Gorge Road (a very windy road in the hills of SA). The only place he was breaking away from me was when we would hit the straights, but I would pull him back in when it got twisty again. Cos of the light weight nature of the car I was able to brake later into corners and hit the accelerator sooner out of corners. Dont get me wrong I love the all wheel drive performance (just not a Subi) I own a Mitsubishi evo 8 MR.

    If this car can give me the same smile on my face as my old AE86 did, I will definately buy it. A few small mods and this car could be king of the twisty roads. And for nearly half the price of a S2000 or even an STI, you can use the extra money to tune it to what you want the car to drive like.

    I can’t wait….

  • http://www.japanesespares.com.au/ Michael Holmes

    When can I get this car for test drive in US? I have been waiting for it since last 2 months.

    • Jesse

      86. June 8. 8/6/11

      In America u may have to wait till August 6. Serves u right for doing your dates back the front. Lol

  • ohreally

    so it has 50 more hp than a 1985 NA celicasupra?

    25 years they managed to add 2 hp per year…

    im blown away

    • al

      Has the speed limit been raised since 1985?…I am sure you need all that horsepower so you can dream about it and talk numbers with mates…

  • al

    Looks good. Going into the right direction.
    Personally I find the most beautiful cars were built between 1970-1980 and I can only hope they bring back that style.

  • wrench spinner

    This car will be super popular….. 
    It will be picked up by all manner of racers (yeah ok it can’t rally) and top/popular drifters/drivers will whip these things, and then you will all like it. Light,4 wheel independent susp.,…. rwd is more effective in a corner regarding throttle modulation, you can feed in the throttle to rotate the car as opposed to generate understeer…. fwd don’t rotate unless there is dirt under you.
    I mean, do any of yall like ae86, fd’s,z cars, s13 14 15, 5.0 ‘stangs……… ?the list goes on.
    It is comparable to any of those cars. But then again I also mod any sports car I have ever, or will ever have. 
    But rest assured it’ll be plenty quick stock with the numbers they’re claiming.
    I don’t understand the hate, the styling aint for me and I wouldn’t own one but I respect it, It’s tight