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		<title>By: RichardW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With NiCd batteries it is better to cycle them fully than to recharge before fully drained.

Trouble with you theory is that these are not Nickel Cadmium Batteries.

The energy output will go down with colder temperature, and some charge will be lost also.

At higher temperatures it is difficult to get full charge into the batteries.

So Hybrids are less efficient in the cold and the extreme heat, sure.

Repeated cycling, which is normal operation for Hybrids, does not extend their life.

The batteries are rated in Cycles, why not find the actual battery specs for the actual batteries and find out?

Clues:

1. These are Nickel Metal Hydride batteries.
2. They are Panasonic batteries.

I can&#039;t help you with part numbers - because I have not researched that.

Another intersting thing to research: who owns the patents on Nickel Metal hydride batteries for Electric Vehicles? And why did they buy the patents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With NiCd batteries it is better to cycle them fully than to recharge before fully drained.</p>
<p>Trouble with you theory is that these are not Nickel Cadmium Batteries.</p>
<p>The energy output will go down with colder temperature, and some charge will be lost also.</p>
<p>At higher temperatures it is difficult to get full charge into the batteries.</p>
<p>So Hybrids are less efficient in the cold and the extreme heat, sure.</p>
<p>Repeated cycling, which is normal operation for Hybrids, does not extend their life.</p>
<p>The batteries are rated in Cycles, why not find the actual battery specs for the actual batteries and find out?</p>
<p>Clues:</p>
<p>1. These are Nickel Metal Hydride batteries.<br />
2. They are Panasonic batteries.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help you with part numbers &#8211; because I have not researched that.</p>
<p>Another intersting thing to research: who owns the patents on Nickel Metal hydride batteries for Electric Vehicles? And why did they buy the patents?</p>
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		<title>By: RichardW</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/14639/toyota-prius-the-taxi-champion/#comment-332661</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, no - for legroom I now want a Prius.

I am very tall, I notice legroom.

I only looked at a prius out of curiousity, as I had assumed it would be small inside, I was quite shocked.

We immediately switched our preferred choice of car to the Prius.

It is one of the few cars my Mother can get in and out of the back easily, due to the legroom and the clearance to the center door pillar.

For power - why do you need more power than the Prius???

Luggage space yes a wagon would be better, especially if it didn&#039;t have a tank of highly flammable, highly compressed gas in the back.

But really, how often do yoiu use those things you are specifying?

And since you have no clue as to the space in a Prius, why are you spreading rubbish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, no &#8211; for legroom I now want a Prius.</p>
<p>I am very tall, I notice legroom.</p>
<p>I only looked at a prius out of curiousity, as I had assumed it would be small inside, I was quite shocked.</p>
<p>We immediately switched our preferred choice of car to the Prius.</p>
<p>It is one of the few cars my Mother can get in and out of the back easily, due to the legroom and the clearance to the center door pillar.</p>
<p>For power &#8211; why do you need more power than the Prius???</p>
<p>Luggage space yes a wagon would be better, especially if it didn&#8217;t have a tank of highly flammable, highly compressed gas in the back.</p>
<p>But really, how often do yoiu use those things you are specifying?</p>
<p>And since you have no clue as to the space in a Prius, why are you spreading rubbish?</p>
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		<title>By: RichardW</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/14639/toyota-prius-the-taxi-champion/#comment-332660</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ford, Holden VW etc are all doing great things.

The fuel economy of the car engine has imrpoved out of sight, to compete with the Prius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ford, Holden VW etc are all doing great things.</p>
<p>The fuel economy of the car engine has imrpoved out of sight, to compete with the Prius.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardW</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/14639/toyota-prius-the-taxi-champion/#comment-332659</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Battery life is measured in months and in charge cycles.

Charge cycles is the usual killer of batteries.

So this sorry, you are dead wrong!!!

BTW We are now looking at a Prius specifically for the room. The legroom in the back is amazing.

The Prius is available as a people mover in the US.

The Prius can probably be converted to LPG.

Mazda has been messing around with Tri-Fuel Hybrids for years now,  they may happen soon. They have had test vehicles on the road in the US for years

I like how you invent imaginary limitations of the vehicle and hoops for it to jump though.

Do you want a cheap to run taxi with heaps of legroom? or just want to find reasons to influence others to avoid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Battery life is measured in months and in charge cycles.</p>
<p>Charge cycles is the usual killer of batteries.</p>
<p>So this sorry, you are dead wrong!!!</p>
<p>BTW We are now looking at a Prius specifically for the room. The legroom in the back is amazing.</p>
<p>The Prius is available as a people mover in the US.</p>
<p>The Prius can probably be converted to LPG.</p>
<p>Mazda has been messing around with Tri-Fuel Hybrids for years now,  they may happen soon. They have had test vehicles on the road in the US for years</p>
<p>I like how you invent imaginary limitations of the vehicle and hoops for it to jump though.</p>
<p>Do you want a cheap to run taxi with heaps of legroom? or just want to find reasons to influence others to avoid?</p>
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		<title>By: RichardW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RichardW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Nov 2011 18:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NiMH batteries have a life counted in charge cycles.

So, no - a NiMH battery is not better off being constantly cycled.

What does help with NiCd batteries is being deep-cycled rather than repeated shallow cycles. The reason for the deep cycling is to avoid the &#039;memory&#039; effect which is actually crystalization of part of the cell that has not been cycled.

These are not NiCd though.

The NiMH battery has a life of 400-600 full charge cycles. A partial cycle is therefore less wear than a full cycle, but the total use still adds up.

The vehicle charge controller will prevent the discharge from being too deep as this would kill the battery, and also prevent over-charging as this will kill the battery also, and overheat as well.

So although this cannot be extrapolated to general use easily, combined with the lack of other battery fail data it indicates a long battery life, and certainly indicates that the 160,000km term of the warranty is conservative.

There have been other battery issues with Priuses, I found one just now, but it was in a 10 year old vehicle.

The question is how many, what percentage failure rate? Compare that then to the failure rate of other vehicles that are not Hybrid.

What is clear is that the myth of Hybrids being useless as their batteries would die is just spin put out by the petroleum industry, and the other car manufacturers.

You either bought the spin, or are a part of the spin machine.

We are 10 years into the Prius era - and there are next to no failures. Not zero, but next to none.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NiMH batteries have a life counted in charge cycles.</p>
<p>So, no &#8211; a NiMH battery is not better off being constantly cycled.</p>
<p>What does help with NiCd batteries is being deep-cycled rather than repeated shallow cycles. The reason for the deep cycling is to avoid the &#8216;memory&#8217; effect which is actually crystalization of part of the cell that has not been cycled.</p>
<p>These are not NiCd though.</p>
<p>The NiMH battery has a life of 400-600 full charge cycles. A partial cycle is therefore less wear than a full cycle, but the total use still adds up.</p>
<p>The vehicle charge controller will prevent the discharge from being too deep as this would kill the battery, and also prevent over-charging as this will kill the battery also, and overheat as well.</p>
<p>So although this cannot be extrapolated to general use easily, combined with the lack of other battery fail data it indicates a long battery life, and certainly indicates that the 160,000km term of the warranty is conservative.</p>
<p>There have been other battery issues with Priuses, I found one just now, but it was in a 10 year old vehicle.</p>
<p>The question is how many, what percentage failure rate? Compare that then to the failure rate of other vehicles that are not Hybrid.</p>
<p>What is clear is that the myth of Hybrids being useless as their batteries would die is just spin put out by the petroleum industry, and the other car manufacturers.</p>
<p>You either bought the spin, or are a part of the spin machine.</p>
<p>We are 10 years into the Prius era &#8211; and there are next to no failures. Not zero, but next to none.</p>
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		<title>By: Jetta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jetta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 06:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark.

Would you like to tell us the cost of the battery replacement.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark.</p>
<p>Would you like to tell us the cost of the battery replacement.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Winsor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Winsor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the manager of a Security company with 8 Prius Hybrids.
All our cars are over 300,000kms with 1 having 720,000 and another with 530,000kms. We have only replaced 1 battery pack thus far and have saved $$$ on fuel costs.
These cars take a beating and keep on going.
The only problem is getting parts in Australia because Toyota&#039;s view is they shouldn&#039;t need to keep parts yet because they don&#039;t sell many parts.
Well taxi&#039;s and security companies and corporate cars do alot of miles. Car dealers need to change their attitude and concentrate on after sales service instead of just the initial sale...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the manager of a Security company with 8 Prius Hybrids.<br />
All our cars are over 300,000kms with 1 having 720,000 and another with 530,000kms. We have only replaced 1 battery pack thus far and have saved $$$ on fuel costs.<br />
These cars take a beating and keep on going.<br />
The only problem is getting parts in Australia because Toyota&#8217;s view is they shouldn&#8217;t need to keep parts yet because they don&#8217;t sell many parts.<br />
Well taxi&#8217;s and security companies and corporate cars do alot of miles. Car dealers need to change their attitude and concentrate on after sales service instead of just the initial sale&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: wiebe</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tengo un toyota pruis 2 generación desde 4 de abril 2009 y tienes 70000 km y para el momento, solo hechos todo su revisiones en la casa toyota  ,eso si lo tengo de taxi el único que no me gustas es la garantía de 100000 km del motor y 160000 del híbrido todas las casas te dan 200000 km sin limite de tiempo, ojala me sigues el coche como vas ,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tengo un toyota pruis 2 generación desde 4 de abril 2009 y tienes 70000 km y para el momento, solo hechos todo su revisiones en la casa toyota  ,eso si lo tengo de taxi el único que no me gustas es la garantía de 100000 km del motor y 160000 del híbrido todas las casas te dan 200000 km sin limite de tiempo, ojala me sigues el coche como vas ,</p>
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		<title>By: Prius owner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prius owner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again sour grapes from flacodor owners with no real experience, do you HAVE a prius? There are 3 in my family, My sister and brother bought one on the strength of my recommendation. Whilst the Ford and Holden camp play the typical game of undermining the credibility of the technology Toyota press on. Camry Hybrid is coming and MADE IN AUSTRALIA. The produtction line for falcon hasn&#039;t changed since the AU, it&#039;s cheap just like enfield motorbikes are cheap in India because it&#039;s OLD. As for batteries your comments are again just sour grapes, yes the batteries deteriorate over time but Toyota/Panasonic overengineered the battery to allow for that AND STILL go 10years/150000 KM&#039;s. For the mechanical side you know toyota motors are unbreakable and this one works less than most, Electric motors make 100% of torque at 0RPM, electric assist takes the strain away from the ICE (Internal combustion engine). I&#039;ll have the last laugh because of comments like this I WILL keep this prius and 10years down the track I&#039;m sure it will keep going but Falcodore owners will be on their 3rd car, 5th diif, 2nd engine etc. Again to the haters do you HAVE one? do you know anybody who does?? I have had Audi&#039;s Pugs, BM&#039;s and 1 VU commodore which I had from new, The half shaft fell out of the diff of the commodore in 4 weeks, The Audi&#039;s trim fell off in a year (down near the transmession tunnel common problem on A3&#039;s) and my wife&#039;s new MINI has been in the shop 4 times for warranty issues, The Prius will outlast them all, and while you live in theoretical land, my Prius has cost less fuel and FAR less in maintenece costs than ANY car I have ever owned, in the REAL world. As for Diesel you get more miles you pay more money and its oily and disgusting near the diesel pump. You will also get less milieage when the proper emissions standards come in force PLUS talk to anybody who owns a Diesel Patrol about how much the Diesel injector pump costs. These are REAL examples not your falcodore theory, you blindly loyal falcodore owners put up with old tech and rubbish quality and have to lash out at anything else because deep down you know it&#039;s better and you are dinosoaurs just like your cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again sour grapes from flacodor owners with no real experience, do you HAVE a prius? There are 3 in my family, My sister and brother bought one on the strength of my recommendation. Whilst the Ford and Holden camp play the typical game of undermining the credibility of the technology Toyota press on. Camry Hybrid is coming and MADE IN AUSTRALIA. The produtction line for falcon hasn&#8217;t changed since the AU, it&#8217;s cheap just like enfield motorbikes are cheap in India because it&#8217;s OLD. As for batteries your comments are again just sour grapes, yes the batteries deteriorate over time but Toyota/Panasonic overengineered the battery to allow for that AND STILL go 10years/150000 KM&#8217;s. For the mechanical side you know toyota motors are unbreakable and this one works less than most, Electric motors make 100% of torque at 0RPM, electric assist takes the strain away from the ICE (Internal combustion engine). I&#8217;ll have the last laugh because of comments like this I WILL keep this prius and 10years down the track I&#8217;m sure it will keep going but Falcodore owners will be on their 3rd car, 5th diif, 2nd engine etc. Again to the haters do you HAVE one? do you know anybody who does?? I have had Audi&#8217;s Pugs, BM&#8217;s and 1 VU commodore which I had from new, The half shaft fell out of the diff of the commodore in 4 weeks, The Audi&#8217;s trim fell off in a year (down near the transmession tunnel common problem on A3&#8242;s) and my wife&#8217;s new MINI has been in the shop 4 times for warranty issues, The Prius will outlast them all, and while you live in theoretical land, my Prius has cost less fuel and FAR less in maintenece costs than ANY car I have ever owned, in the REAL world. As for Diesel you get more miles you pay more money and its oily and disgusting near the diesel pump. You will also get less milieage when the proper emissions standards come in force PLUS talk to anybody who owns a Diesel Patrol about how much the Diesel injector pump costs. These are REAL examples not your falcodore theory, you blindly loyal falcodore owners put up with old tech and rubbish quality and have to lash out at anything else because deep down you know it&#8217;s better and you are dinosoaurs just like your cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gday
I&#039;m a small business nwner and bought a 2001 NHW11 Prius in Oct.001. The car has now April 2009 245.000 Km on the clock
and it still performs like new. It is driven intraste and interstate some days more than 1000 Km per day and no hick up has been encountered. As far as the main battery is concerned there is not any wear noticeable, the monitor however shows that charging will take place approximately between half full and three quarter full charge, I simply have not been able to run the battery down to even one third full. At this rate I&#039;ll expect the battery to last at least 20 years and perhaps a million Km. At the moment I can not see into the future but also can not fault the
performance of this battery.Perhaps regular servicing also has something do do with this( at every 10.000 Km ). On average this car is driven between 30 - 40.000 Km per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gday<br />
I&#8217;m a small business nwner and bought a 2001 NHW11 Prius in Oct.001. The car has now April 2009 245.000 Km on the clock<br />
and it still performs like new. It is driven intraste and interstate some days more than 1000 Km per day and no hick up has been encountered. As far as the main battery is concerned there is not any wear noticeable, the monitor however shows that charging will take place approximately between half full and three quarter full charge, I simply have not been able to run the battery down to even one third full. At this rate I&#8217;ll expect the battery to last at least 20 years and perhaps a million Km. At the moment I can not see into the future but also can not fault the<br />
performance of this battery.Perhaps regular servicing also has something do do with this( at every 10.000 Km ). On average this car is driven between 30 &#8211; 40.000 Km per year.</p>
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