2008 Ford Falcon XR6 Turbo Review
1 Aug, 2008
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The menu screens and functionality of the Command Centre (or Human Machine Interface) system are as easy to use as channel surfing from the couch and offer a complete break down of vehicle settings, audio control, phone, lighting, alarm and (optional) satellite navigation. The 3D system is easy to use and has a nifty little remote control so the passengers can play too, taking their mind off all the fun you’re having in the captain’s seat.
With steering wheel mounted controls for cruise and audio being logical and simple to find, about my only remaining issue would be is that the upgraded stereo package lacks any real substance at volume, instead distorting and breaking up when challenged. It’s fine at mid-range and has good clarity with the iPod connected but just suffers a little more than it should for the premium price.
Luxury Pack includes Nudo Shadow Leather Trim
Not that you’ll be listening to the stereo mind you. I mean if the sound of this sweet six-cylinder doesn’t do it for you then perhaps it’s time to get your nails done. It’s a brutish cacophony of raspy exhaust, crisp yet subtle induction and just a touch of waste-gate flutter for good measure - certain nothing to disappoint.
A little snap crackle and pop can be heard on hard down shifts proving yet again that a well sorted in-line six has a note all of it’s own, and with a little bit of boost behind it it’s aurally one of the most pleasing and grin inducing symphonies I know of, even if it does eat in to your fuel bill just slightly.
The force fed 4.0-litre, six develops a hefty 270kW at 5250rpm and produces a whopping 533Nm from 2000 to 4750rpm, with over 75 per cent of that available from just off idle. It’s simply tremendous, has almost no lag to speak of and a low down pull that would shame most V8s. The mid-range surge is heaven sent and so strong that on a damp day XR6T breaks traction from second to third gear - even with the ESP left on! But lay off the loud pedal and it’s as placid as any regular Falcon, true Jekyll and Hyde type driving.
The six-speed ZF automatic is a work of art and is undoubtedly world class. Smooth shifts, always ready to go thinking and no-nonsense manual mode mean both day-to-day and weekend driving are equally well catered for, as long as you remember down (-) is forward, up (+) is back. The limited slip rear end is brilliant, you can actually feel it working in hard corners. The other upshot is that wet weather driving is also more tractable and settled … assuming you want it to be.
Sharper steering with better feedback and quicker response than BFII makes pointing the XR6T an incorrigibly mischievous practice, especially when riding half tacho in turns where the temptation to induce oversteer is almost impossible to resist.
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August 1st, 2008 at 10:46 am
I WANT ONE!
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August 1st, 2008 at 10:51 am
brilliant car the XR6T, definetly the best performance car available in Australia. For mine the F6 doesn’t offer enough “extra” over the normal XR6T and the money you save would be able to be put into aftermarket kit that would give you a much better car then an F6 anyway. Holden definelty have work to do on the SS to catch up, possibly give it the MRC from the HSV range and a more powerful V8 to match the XR6’s turbo punch.. whatever it is holden needs they need to find it soon! And this is coming from a Holden fan as most of the people on this site already know!
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August 1st, 2008 at 10:55 am
This is my favorite Aussie sedan.
Rather the FPV tuned/enhanced one.
Needs to be on LPG fired and STEALTH so nobody knows the firepower under the bonnet.
NO FUGLY BODYKITS AND LOWERED please Ford!
Luxon did one that does a genuine/confirmed 307kmh!!
Cheers
F-0
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:01 am
Amazing piece of machinery for $45K. Bang for buck - best value performance sedan in the world I rekon.
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am
They *could* slide the front diff assy. out of a Territory and make this a AWD…..
Maybe something for the future?
Cheers
F-0
P/S Whats with the parking in the KEEP-CLEAR parking spot? :-)
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
My favourite car!
I’m with you Frugal, I thought with the adoption of the new front end that a Hi-Po AWD version might have been on the cards.
You can only imagine what special editions will be made available to celebrate the end of the aussie 6 in 2010!!
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:11 am
I just want one !!
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:26 am
i have just picked up the G6E Turbo two days ago.
After trading in my GTP,
have to say this car is unreal, its like a LTD inside and goes like buggery its as good or better then the GTP.
Was going to go for the GTE but cant justify extra $$$
Well done Ford,
This is one very happy customer.
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:28 am
Has got to be the best car on the market in alot of ways. Performance, quality, enjoyement, looks………evrything really. Ford deserve more redit than they have got for the FG ans especially this XR6 Turbo version. The all new body looks better and better as time goes by and it wont date like the VE has. This is really a great car ……..Toyota couldnt build a car this good if they tried……..oh, i forgot ……..they did try……TRD Camry\Aurion……..and failed really badly !!
That Japanese guy TP will no doubt bore us all with his worthless un-knowledgable comments soon……..wish his Visa would run out so he has to go home to Japan !!!!!
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:29 am
It’s such a shame that the current market won’t allow the sales volumes the FG deserves.
Ford is one of the best local sellers who spend little to get such a great, all round package. I hope Ford US lets Ford AUS lead the global RWD platform team.
I will be getting one before the new V6 arrives in 2010.
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:34 am
I wonder why anyone would bother buying a Ford or Holden V8 when the XR6 Turbo engine is so much better than both of them………….and much cheaper to run as well.
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:36 am
Enjoy it while you can guy’s as it days are numbered!
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:46 am
Take note Ford supporters. NO Holden or Toyota supporter has come on and started saying crap about this car or Ford YET, so you should do the same when the next Holden or Toyota article has been posted.
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:48 am
It’s not thaaat much more economical then the holden V8 Ute Tray, and the holden V8 isnt thaaaat far behind the XR6T, holden could easily close the gap with the displacement on demand, variable valve timing and direct injection, all rumored to find their way into the Holden V8 before too long. But for now, definetly, the XR6T is king
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am
Martin…
I’m no Ford supporter, just like to give credit were it’s due.
IF the Aurion, TRD or SV6 were better, i’d say the same, they simply aren’t.
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am
Martin - even us holden fans can recongnise and respect a truly great car even if it does have a ford badge on it. I just wish the same respect could be returned from time to time… too much to ask sometimes
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August 1st, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Meh…I dont know what all the fuss is about really. It’s not exactly rocket science that a big displacement motor wih a turbo strapped to the side is going to make the numbers. The japs have been doing it for nearly 20 years with the Skyline, with even smaller engines. Ford takes 15 years to catch on, and suddenly everyone starts frothing at the mouth.
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August 1st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
It’s a fast car no doubt.But I have to say the looks are very ordinary-I can hardly tell the difference between the BF and this current FG.
Ford need to focus on making cars that sell at this point in time.They don’t need to big note themselves with these so-called high performance vehicles,while the toyota hilux and corolla are out-selling (by a big margin) the Ford product.
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August 1st, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Rosquito mate its not just the engine, its the whole package. Big comfy roomy sedan with great handling. It can be a big comfortable cruiser, a family car and a performance car all rolled into one. Its a fantastic vehicle, even if it’s not all that technically impressive in your view, which i dissagree with by the way, its quite a technically impressive drivetrain in my opinion, even if its not in the class of a skyline or whatever.
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August 1st, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Congratulations must go to Ford on producing what by all accounts (havn’t driven one yet) is a brilliant car for it’s segment. I havn’t read a single bad report or review on the FG range, and it trumps all the locally built cars every time.
My first impression was the styling is too close to the BF, but I agree with Brogan, the more I see it the more I notice the subtle differences in it’s lines giving it a whole new look.
Oh and Richo, we know your a Holden fan so all credit to you for your posts. It makes a refreshing change from the all too common brand bashing that goes on here by the (always the same) usual few donkeys.
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Ford deserves so much more credit than they get, i’ve driven an XR6 and everything described is absolutely SPOT ON! These cars drive like any euro car, just they dont have the badge.
Hey! can caradvice do a road test of an E-Gas G6 or G6E? Since the current climate of high fuel prices is seeing many people seek alternatives. Maybe test an E-Gas falcon and see if the trade off is worth the cheaper running costs? Maybe even do a comparison of the LPG commodore and E-Gas falcon? There are no road tests anywhere of the LPG cars. Please!! road test the LPG versions of the falcon and commodore. Anyone else think this is a good idea?
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:08 pm
THE BEST AUSTRALIAN BUILT CAR AND FALCON EVER,, ford has stepped up upto the plate, gaining so much positive reaction, but I wish they would fix up the TV ad marketing campaign, this car deserves more praise from its peers who desperately in need of recognition, TV can be the engine room for success and we all know some brands have learnt a lesson or two on how to snap up potential buyer’s.
C’mon Ford, let’s showcase The Best Car Australia has ever built, HINT HINT !!!!!!!!!!!! are you listening Ford……….
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
More to the point are you reading these Blogs and Forums Ford, please wake up, there’s more to it than just showing badges in ads we need to know why this vehicle is above all the rest “understand”.
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Fasthonda…
Explain something to me…
The new accord looks like the old model, ditto for the BMW 3.5 and 7 series, FG has styling traits from the BF11.
What’s the difference??
Mazda and Honda arguably make great cars yet aren’t the tops sellers…
Not sure what point you’re trying to make here.
Ford and Holden have to big note the upper and sports range of trims for more profit per sale, what you want them to show the base XT instead??
Volume is less important than profit per unit, thats commone sense.
Somehow Toyota AUS DIDN’T make any money before they started selling over 200,000 units in one year. Ford, Holden, Honda, Mazda etc DO make profit with far less volume.
The FG is a very, very good vehicle, accept it for once and stop dragging utter crap into a comments section to bring a vehicle down.
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Rosquito…
You serious??
Another clueless keyboard warrior, know what he reads on the net yet knows nothing of how vehicles and the auto industry work.
Yeah it’s just about a big engine and turbo…wake up!
Go find some lame auto site to infest with incorrect assumptions.
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:27 pm
AC COBRA…
Agreed :)
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I am getting one of these in the next few months as I work in NSW Police HWP. I can’t wait to get rid of my old BF II XR6T and get this FG. I am very lucky that I can drive this car legally at speed during my course of duty. We have heaps of VE SS’s and a few BF XR6T and I love the turbo more than the V8. I will let you know how it goes when I get it.
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I am like others here who will get one before it is discontinued. What a stunner. Great review thanks for making the drool go all the way down to the floor. Wow. Seems like such an odd thing to release such a great car/engine package and then change it to something inferior in the likes of the V6. Ford XR6T rocks.
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
AC Cobra,
Problem is they don’t want to hype it as they are ditching it for the V6. If they weren’t doing that I am sure it would be blanket advertised in my opinion. I will, and both by brothers will be getting an XR6T before it is stopped with the Inline6. I don’t remember such a desirable car being in Australia for such great value for a long time.
:)
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August 1st, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Agree, Richo, it delivers in all fronts and at a good price, if this was lets say an $90K or over car then its more so-what. but the fact for under 50k you can get a car that goes like a rocket, and handles great for a car of its size, without sacrifice.
Also im like Adam, im no fan of Ford or any manufacturer that to the matter (Except I do go for Mclaren in the F1, but thats on a team level), but in physical and technical level the FG the best large 6er on the average joe market.
From this I hope Holden, Toyota or any manufacturer will develop as good or better car and still satisfy the global-market requirements too, as competition is always good :)
Ute tray, you have to remember both the VE and Aurion were released way before the FG, also Both Holden and Toyota can easily make a car as comparable to the FG if they wanted to, but it doesnt help when these cars a globally sold, and therefore need to cater for different needs of different countries. If you like to know more its always good to take an international marketing course :)
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August 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I have a MK5 GTI which I love but I am so tempted to swap it for this. Man what a beast….. It\’s literally twice the power and torque of GTI for similar price!!
Only thing stopping me is the poorer resale, petrol consumption and gf who would be horrified. It\’s the heart versus head this one :)
What do you guys reckon? What would you do?
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August 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Resale will be fine, after ditching the inline for V6 in the future makes this an instant (CLASSIC) collectable, even if it did lose some resale it will gain back over time and as for the fuel consumption this would nearly be the best in class so you should not be worried about fuel consumption especially when BUCKET LOADS of performance is on tap. :D
Spam word XR8 Yeah baby bring it on !!!!!!!!!
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August 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Sam VW
With the smile on your face from driving the XR6T you’ll always be able to get another girlfriend!!
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August 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Im lucky enough to have got one of these as a company car about a month ago. Ive chalked up 7000Kms already and i still cant wipe the smile of my face every time i get in it. Anyone considering doing it all i can say is go for it!! You will not be disapointed and go the manual with launch control it rocks!!!!
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August 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I’d happily consider one, too. And, who knows, the 2010 V6 might be a stunner. Don’t write the future engine off yet, guys.
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August 1st, 2008 at 3:35 pm
$47K for 5.3 seconds….Wow very cool. I love the green colour. My brother just told me he is getting one for his next company car. I’m going to try and convince him to get the green.
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August 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Rosquito, you didn’t happen to quote what you read in a wheels mag letter did you?
You are obviously clueless comparing 15 yr old Jap cars, who could barely manage a mid 14sec quarter mile let alone 13’s.
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pm
It is a shame that this engine is on its way out BUT dont make the mistake saying the V6 will be no good. It will be a stunner but different to the I6 ……..its called progress and it will be for the long term. Fuel economy of a 4 with the performance of a V8…….
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Oh i forgot to say…with these new generation engines the large cars will make a big comeback…….who would want to drive a crappy Corolla when you can have a Falcon with stunning performance and as good economy as a small car? The worm will turn……….
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I’d like to know where your getting your info from Ute Tray… as far as i have heard the duratec V6 ford are getting won’t even have direct injection, atleast initially, at a time when holden will have introduced direct injection accross their V6 range. I say buy up the I6 while its still around, because it is one of the worlds better 6 cylinder motors. The duratec V6 that is replacing it is hardly an all new design, its been around for a little while now and really isn’t that impressive. It’s on about the same standard that the current holden alloytec V6 is on, which isn’t a very high standard!!!
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Holden has never said when the VE will get DI, wait until it actually happens.
Falcon has been ahead of commodore in the 6cyl drivetrain department for ages now.
The 3.5 and 3.7 duratec V6’s are NEW, find the correct infor out before commenting. They are not the same as the original 3.0 V6 duratec.
In the US the duratec has been rated higher than the HF V6 form GM in non-DI form.
Mazda alos uses a variation.
Ford AUS haven’t said if falcon will get the 3.5 or 3.7 duratec.
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
settle down Adam, its NOT new, the duratec “cyclone” engine in both 3.5 and 3.7ltr capacities have been around since 2006, so my comment of being around for “a little while now” is correct buddy! Also 205kw and 374nm of torque from the 3.7ltr are good figures, but hardly earth shattering at the same time and not as good as the current I6 in the falcon! That was my point mate!
Also holden HAVE said when the V6 will get direct injection, late 2009 in the VF update. The only thing that hasn’t been confirmed is if it will be accross the range or just in the SV6 and calais models. So bloody get your facts straight before you try and accuse someone else of not having the facts straight!
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:38 pm
sorry the 3.5ltr has been around since 2006, the 3.7 debut in the mazda CX9
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
fact is ford aus wouldn’t be getting rid of the I6 if ford US hadn’t forced them to. Why would they? It’s the best 6 cylinder motor in the entire ford world!
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
imagine it with direct injection… powahhh! pity we will never know…
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:00 pm
2006 is newer than the HF V6, it’s new, not old…!!
please prove to ALL where Holden has stated when the V will get DI!?
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pm
every talking about the V6 should just wait till its in the falcon then we can make judgement regarding the engine and how it goes in the falcon… so every one calm down for now regarding the V6 ford engine.
i have also heard around that the Vf is the recieve DI but not shore what models or anything…. again lets all just wait and see…
And i cant see anything wrong with the 2010 XR6 turbo as a Twin Turbo 3.7 litre V6… shouldnt be to bad i hope!!!
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Richo, the Falcon’s inline 6 can’t be economically engineered to be Euro V emissions compliant by 2010. That’s why it’s going.
And Adam, I read in WHEELS yonks ago that DI is heading Holden’s way. I think it’s common knowledge.
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:18 pm
i cant personaly wait to see fords send off of the I6
Just dreaming but a AWD Twin Turbo 4litre inline 6 falcon would be pretty Awesome and a pretty good farwell for the I6. (F6-HO)
But most likely will be a turned F6 going by what ford Australia has done in recent years/ with hopefully so wieght loss.
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:33 pm
have heard good things about 3.7 motor in cx9 but i think its made by mazda in japan not U.S, hopefully thats where ford oz will source it from as it will likely be better quality
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Im starting to see few fgs around now and thay look very good you can tell straight away how different thay are.Thay look fresh and classy
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August 1st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Richo,
how do you sum up that the V6 fords is bringing here isnt much chop?
it did rank quite comfortably in the top 10 engines dont forget.
if holden brings in DI, my bet is that the base models will get the current “high spec” 195kw model, and the calais, SV6 etc will get the new DI motor.
totally agree with the “power ranger” noise though.
a DI I6 would have been one mean motor to see.
it really is a shame they werent allowed to spend the dollars to bring the I6 up to spec
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August 1st, 2008 at 6:30 pm
The straight six rules.
I WANT ONE.
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pm
Wicked car, great review. Thanks guys been worth the wait.
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Aaaah there is a downside of living in the UK…we don’t get these beauts here. Come on Ford do what GM did with the Commie and bring a version here for us to play with. Problem is it would be $70K plus.
Hardly a mention from the Toyota pervs
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Brilliant car.
My only quibble would be I would rate the drive above the looks in the scoring. I still prefer the look of the SS, but if I were buying this sort of car today, it’d have to be this one - at least until Holden respond with their next update.
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:26 pm
If Jeremy Clarkson saw and drove any car in the new falcon and/or FPV range i think he would buy one before just like that!
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Geez you can’t even give the ford blokes a compliment without them getting stroppy! All i was saying is that the 3.7ltr duratec, on paper, is not really as impressive as the I6. Yes it has 5kw more, but only when run on 98 octane (incednetly the I6 gets 205kw on 98 octane too!) but it is significantly down on torque. Perhaps Ford aus will improve it significantly before they drop it into the falcon, but fact remains that RIGHT NOW, it’s not looking like an improvement over the I6, at best its a sideways step.
And Adam, mate do you just want an argument or something? When did i say that the duratec motor was old???? All i said was is that it has been around for a little while (the design has been around since 2006 in 3.5ltr form, and was released in 3.7ltr form since the introduction of the CX9). What i was trying to say is that its not a brand spanking new design. You don’t call a 2006 model falcon a “brand new motor” do you? Yes its not an old design, it IS still a modern and up to date design, but its not an all new design and thats all i was saying! Geez as i said, can’t even pay the ford blokes a compliment! So farking touchy…
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Not a bad car! Definitely the cheapest and fastest sports car on the market (the fastest to 100km)! Though I heard Ford has delayed alot of the turbos at the moment due to the new smaller Garret turbocharger they are using and having a quite few problems. So there waiting for the problem to be fixed and only non-turbo straight sixes and V8’s are rolling out to be sold
Adam, you’re right ford have not announced what new V6 engine they are using for the falcon (either the 3.5L or 3.7L) but Wheels Mag. Is sure it will be the one borrowed from Lincoln the 3.7L Duratec.
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August 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Hey the Ducks back. Wotcha matey!
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August 1st, 2008 at 8:10 pm
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August 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
“I’d happily consider one, too. And, who knows, the 2010 V6 might be a stunner. Don’t write the future engine off yet, guys.”
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Drive an inline 6 and V6 back to back, then you will know why an inline is so superior. V6’s are done for a packaging reason, not because it’s a superior layout. An inline 6 is a much more balanced engine. Hence why BMW are so reluctant to follow the trend as Merc have and ditch their inline 6’s for a V6 layout. Trust me these things will hold their value once the V6 comes in just like the S15’s hold their value after Nissan stopped making them. I dinfiantely will be buying an F6 at the end of 2009. The Aussie ford inline 6 is such an iconic engine and built for boost. Shame they didn’t boost them years earlier.
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August 1st, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Great technically advanced car and a well written review from an enthusiast!
Would love to update our family XR6 on this beast.
From other reviews i\’ve read on the FG XR6T, real life fuel economy can be as good as easy 8s on the highway. On balance it uses about 20% less than the XR8 or SS models.
In the metal, out on the street, they look very modern with some lovely lines and attractive proportions.
The only people likely to dismiss it are badge snobs or those that it doesn\’t fulfill their requirements.
Plenty of people driving SUV\’s and pricey Euro\’s would do well to take a look / drive!
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August 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Bloody hell….anyone who thinks FG looks like BF seriously needs galsses !!!!!! the only similar thing may be around the headlights on the XR6………the all ew body is sleek and modern unlike the Bf which is very slab like……
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August 2nd, 2008 at 7:44 am
Its just a shame ford has NO IDEA AT ALL on how to market a vehicle.
the average joe doesnt even know theres a world class all new ford out. so many people will be buying VE commo’s instead, without even giving the falc a go.
and i guarantee, if u drive both, falc wins hands down.
good work to holden for their marketing!!
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August 2nd, 2008 at 7:45 am
oh and i looked at a BF gt beside a FG gt in my local dealership the other day…..
what a HUGE difference. See both the old and the new together and itll silence the “oh its unchanged” brigade for sure!
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August 2nd, 2008 at 7:52 am
Hey Rosquito
re your comments on how its and old engine behind nissan….
when the gtr came out, what was it worth???? certainly NOT 45 grand!! it was over 100 grand AND that was how many years ago??
xr6t FTMFW! ( maybe not? ill take a g6et first! )
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August 2nd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
The XR6T is a great car. It also has enormous tuning potential. With a few mods you can get 400+ rwkw, Nizpro with their cobra kits and APS and others get bullshit to the next level performance gains out of the XR6 T. APS (airpowersystems.com) have an XR6T that does 307kph and an outstanding 557 horsepower at the wheels.
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August 2nd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Richo,
i know i would much rather the I6 to the new V6, but that ISNT what you were saying.
what you said was that fords new V6 will be a dog like holdens.
i merely pointed out that even though it wont have the effortless motoring ability of the I6, it does still hold some good credentials.
i think if they bring any less than the 3.7L, it may upset some of the old time “forders”
there was even talk of a 3.8L version.
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August 2nd, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Well we’ve seen what Nissan can do out of a 3.5ltr V6 so seeing what Ford can do with this engine they shouldn’t have any problems making a belter performance engine. Whereas I’m a bit worried about the base engine with torque figues although some of the figures quoted above seem reasonable. Scientifically the inline 6 is the perfect configuration for performance. We worked it out one day using different mathematical formula but buggered if I know what is now.
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August 2nd, 2008 at 7:41 pm
The review outcome is no surprise. Well done FordOZ on a comparatively small budget.
Richo, I agree on the I6. That’s why I’m aiming for XR6T or hopefully F6 before it goes. What I’ve heard of Duratech “so far” isn’t complimetary compared to I6 .ie. much less torque and the mazda CX9 is supposed to be surprisingly very hard on fuel.
Seen a few of your posts on Displacement-On-Demand and Direct-Injection for VF. I’m betting DI will make a sizable improvement on power/economy to the V6. Ford will have dropped the ball again if Duratech doesn’t have DI.
But I wonder how useful DOD will actually be for economy. What makes me wonder is the 4-car comparo CA ran (Falcon/Aurion/Accord/Commodore).
You can’t turn on the TV without seeing a Honda Accord ad spruiking the 6, 4 or 3 cylinder modes. But that comparo put the heavier, quicker Falcon above the Accord for fuel economy.
Any thoughts on DOD? So far I think DI will be the better route.
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August 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Watto,
to be totally honest,
i cant see DOD OR DI making great in roads in terms of economy.
DOD just makes you feel like you give a crap, and DI will mainly boost performance
before they waste their money on that fancy stuff,
i reckon they should investigate the new injection methods for LPG.
it is the only hands down money saver with a bonus of greener emissions to make out you care about the environment (if thats what turns you on)
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August 2nd, 2008 at 9:32 pm
What was fuel consumption on the test? Would be nice to know….
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August 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pm
100% agree there Andrew.M. Sequential gas injection is a must have for Duratech. I can kinda understand why it didn’t happen for FG, considering the engine will be abandoned in 2010 (grr..) Not having it for the new donk would be madness.
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August 2nd, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Hi SumoDog,
The XR6T returned 14.6l/100km all up for the week of mixed driving.
Hope this helps. Matt.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 9:17 am
The problem with the XR6 Turbo is reliability. I know people have havent made anywhere near 150,000kms with them. Partly expected in a performance car, but nevertheless an issue.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 9:23 am
Rosquito,
Ford Aus messed with Turbo 6’s a lot longer than 15 years ago. In about 1983/84, they got together with AIT and did a single Turbo XE Ghia. The XF was made with an handful of Twin Turbos in all forms, utes, sedan, pannys etc. A friend has a Twin Turbo XF Ghia gathering dust in his garage. It has a factory T5 and from memory, it might even have a Ford stamp on the Turbo manifold. Ford did this when they dropped the Clevo 302/351. If only they had put more into production….
On the FG XR6T, i want one. AWD would be too heavy and too thirsty, keep it RWD for fun. Id be keen to see how the ute would get the power down.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 9:35 am
Tp you are full of shit………..there are plenty of XR6 turbos that have done much more than that. Anyway what would you know? You can only see Toyotas. When does your visa run out so you have to go home to Japan and sit outside a Toyota factory ? You Japanese people are so one eyed……..
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August 3rd, 2008 at 9:40 am
Direct Injection is the better route. The new CTS Caddilac’s with the high output 225kw 3.6 are using what? Under 10L/100km?
With that much power.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 11:20 am
Thanks Matt.14.6l/100 doesn’t sound too bad for that kind of performance.My needs call for wagon and if Ford would make a sports turbo wagon that looks good (like a new Commodore wagon)it would be on the shopping list.Not everybody wants a SUV…
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August 3rd, 2008 at 11:30 am
Please dont be racist Terry. I know people who have had problems. It comes as no suprise, the reliability of the N/A Falcon is something to be desired, do you think slapping a turbo on helps things?
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August 3rd, 2008 at 11:40 am
Terry - that comment is uncalled for in a place like this.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 pm
TP, you truely have no idea when it comes to turbocharging. It is far more complicated than just “slapping on a turbo”.
In fact, the last time Toyota tried forced induction what happened TP???? Yes the ever reliable Toyota V6 spat out a conrod out through its block! Very reliable cars indeed. No standard XR6 Turbo has done that to my knowledge.
Your arguements on Caradvice are now a joke. You are lame and pathetic.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 1:34 pm
well guess what tp, my parents had a landcruiser a couple of years ago that kept on overheating and eventually got a cracked head. toyota service wanted nothin to do with it. now using your method, just because this 1 car had a problem that must mean the entire organisation is a farce.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 pm
TP your claims of Falcons being notoriously unreliable are unfounded. They had a bad run with headgaskets from EA-EL’s but the biggest problem after that is the Handbrake on the BA’s, apart from that the AU-BF2 are very reliable. If XR6 Turbos are sooooo unreliable then how of the 3 of them that me, my brother & his best mate own, 1 is a 2002 BA 5 Spd Man done well over 150,000kms, my brothers a 2004 BA Mk2 6 spd Man done 115,000kms including a recent return trip from brisbane to Darwin with the only problem being a flat tyre, and mine which is an ‘06 BF 6 spd auto with 58,000kms the biggest mechanical problem they’ve had is brake rotors that needed machining and hand brakes need adjusting. You can’t kill the bottom end of a Falcon 6, ask any taxi companies. Your just a 1 eyed biased Toyota fan who doesn’t know a thing about cars.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Oh and just for your info of the 3 XR Turbos I mentioned above mine is the only one that wasn’t bought new.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
The main problem with TP is Toyoda manufacture sewing machines and fridges for the ageing masses and girls with no care about what they drive, you have to be a car enthusiast to like a Falcon XR6 Turbo, these proper cars are built for men (blokes), not toyleta whingeing wimps.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 3:27 pm
TP= the evergreen Toyo troll of Car Advice.
You are again spewing out rubbish to back up the claim that Toyota dominate the world. Falcons are proven reliable.
If they weren’t reliable, they couldn’t use them as taxis- Simple as that, it wouldnt be viable. Also, the nameplate wouldn’t have survived for 50 years.
How can you seemingly become more and more ignorant on a regular basis?
It’s counfounding but you aren’t convincing anyone. Either way you miss the point of performance cars altogether.
Here we have an example of a surpemely well engineered driving machine, the likes of which Toyota can’t equal and clearly that cuts you to shreds, TP. You don’t even have the capacity to see how ridiculous your comments look. When will you get the message, you little bedwetter?
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August 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 pm
TP - what about the [supposed] piston becoming detached from the conrod in the TRD Aurion…. wouldn’t you classify that as a reliability issue?
I can’t recall a [reported] incident where a Ford or Holden threw a Piston like that … If that’s what really happened?
Oil Leaks are one thing but a broken bearing Conrod or Loose Piston?
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August 3rd, 2008 at 4:41 pm
I don’t understand all the closet toyota enthusiasts.
Toyota make great purposeful cars, i’m not denying that, but they have never really tried to aim themselves at the performance car enthusiast crowd.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Tom, we’re pretty sure these Toyota guys are all 1 guy trying to stir us up because “they” always regurgitate the same crap about relability and user surveys, its all they’ve got to go on and even that is flimsy.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 6:07 pm
PERHAPS the 2010 model will get this version of the V6, which wouldn’t be too bad. Thats better power and torque than current I6T so I don’t know what the fuss is about if this is the case.
From Wikipedia:
“A direct-injected, twin-turbocharged version of the all-aluminum Duratec 35 has been developed, producing 430 hp (321 kW) and 400 lb·ft (542 N·m) of torque. The TwinForce 3.5L V6 is intended to deliver the performance (on demand) of a typical large displacement 6.0 L-class V8, with the normal driving (highway) fuel efficiency of a 3.0 L to 4.0 L class V6.”
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August 3rd, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Matt, 14.6 l/100km is a bit higher than i expected for fuel consumption but i’m guessing from the review that it was driven pretty hard during the time you had it. Any estimate on what you’d expect normal city/highway combined to return.
Also, have you (or anyone for that matter) had a chance to test an XR on 18’s as there’s been a lot of talk about the 19’s providing crap ride quality.
How about testing an XR8 next.
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August 3rd, 2008 at 11:11 pm
TP - you are such a liar.
The Falcon I6 has always been commended for it’s reliabilty and it’s ability to go on and on!
I challenge you to find proof that the I6 is a unreliable engine!!!
THE ONLY reason the head gaskets used to the biggest (but still relatively small) issue with the I6 was because the owner’s were not filling the engines with suitable 33% ethylene glycol/inhibitor, and not replacing it every two years as INSTRUCTED to in the service schedule!!
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August 3rd, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Commended on its reliability? The industry figures highlighting that 55% have to return back to dealership within 5 month of sales is commended? Who is the liar! Dont take my word for it, head to the Ford forums, you can see countless posts of unhappy XR6T buyers.
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August 4th, 2008 at 12:12 am
I have owned two Falcons I6s both of which did over 200,000 km, (BA bought new EL used) My father has owned at least 4 down the years, which also had
These cars were treated like hacks, parked in driveways (not garaged) serviced when overdue, had lots of towing duties and Driven HARD.
Reason we keep buying falcons - RELIABLE!
Just got in it each day and drove the b-stard.
Dad had a commodore once. P.O.S (he did like the engine tho.. was VL i6 -lol)
Sorry unlike many here, we aint kind to cars, they are just tools to be used and got rid of when we have to.
Im hoping to be able to afford on of the last of the i6 XR6T in a few years (I promise to love and take good care of that one)
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August 4th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Oh yeh .. the VL went thru 2 heads in 3 years
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August 4th, 2008 at 12:14 am
“which also had over 200,000 put on them.”
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August 4th, 2008 at 12:19 am
I tend to agree with TP’s comments.There was a delay in the releasing of the Falcon turbo variants-the reason was a major problem with the turbo-I believe it was an overheating issue?.
Although the I6 has satisfactory reliablity I can’t say I have the same confidence/trust for the turbo version.
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August 4th, 2008 at 12:24 am
AC COBRA Says:
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:43 pm
“The main problem with TP is Toyoda manufacture sewing machines and fridges for the ageing masses and girls with no care about what they drive, you have to be a car enthusiast to like a Falcon XR6 Turbo, these proper cars are built for men (blokes), not toyleta whingeing wimps.”
Strange how Ford Australia’s car for blokes only survives due to tariffs, LCT’s, and government handouts. I’d be embarassed if I had a product that only existed because I was handed funding like a beggar, as opposed to my business model being profitable.
I am not taking Toyota’s side, but dimwits like you seem to think a car is only about performance, when it means so many different things to different people.
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August 4th, 2008 at 2:06 am
TP,
Your an absolute MORON!! With A capital M…..
You clearly have no idea of engine design and configuration.. The Inline six that Ford have deisned is a benchmark in the real world of last abilty..
There abilty to constantly surpase thousands and thousands of kilometres, proves they are the strongest and one of the most reliable engines in the world..
That the reason why there Taxi’s.
Look at Europe they use Merc’s and BMW’s as taxi’s due to there engine and transmission combo, clearly the best cars in Europe..
Go back in your hole and don’t ever come back out..
Live in that hole for the rest of your life, you won’t be missed.. LOOOSSSEEEERRRRR.
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August 4th, 2008 at 7:44 am
CB,
Toyota are dependent on handouts too so don’t get carried away.
TP, Give it up. If any Toyota was driven with aggression they will have problems.
One reason I chose G6 over Aurion was the poor alignment parts of the Aurion dash had. Don’t believe me? Have a look at your local Toyota dealership.
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August 4th, 2008 at 9:26 am
I love my G6E Turbo,
The new FG Falcon range achieved the top score in the latest round of the Australian New Car Assessment Program.
The five-star rating matches the Falcon with top luxury cars such as the Mercedes C-Class and puts it ahead of local rivals including the Holden VE Commodore and Toyota Camry and Aurion, which all achieved a four-star rating,
Go Ford,
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August 4th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
Fords 6 cylinder engines have been bashin all the others around for 6 because we got the technology here in OZ to make better engines than all the imported crap that other manufacturers tried in there cars and have failed. You name if 4 cylinders, v8s and other 6s have come close to this awsome falcon 6 but no match. With petrol prices on the rise holden will have to drop its v8 and try to get a 6 cylinder to compete with a ford 6. There wont be much of a match there. So will they go turbo and copy Ford like they have when ford was hammering holden with there 351cleveland. Holden wont survive if they were exported as holden cause nobody has heard of holden in USA and other countrys so lets call em pontiacs. Holden in a no win position here. Im glad to see a ford as a ford but a holden as a pontiac now thats so yank
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August 4th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
TP you just proved to me your an ignorant little twerp.
TP says “Commended on its reliability? The industry figures highlighting that 55% have to return back to dealership within 5 month of sales is commended?”
Those go on warranty claims for ALL aspects of the car, not just the Engine. Those surveys make no mention of what warranty claims were made or whether or not they were claims during the 3000 km complimentary service or other services. Whether or not they were mechanical failures, electrical or whether or not an electric switch wasn’t connected properly during pre-delivery. It could be anything, also those “leaked user surveys” never mentioned if a claim was dissmissed or not, trust me some people will try and claim anything such as a blown light bulb.
You have no idea what you are talking about TP and I applore to everyone on this website to ignore any of TP’s comments.
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August 4th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I agree Glen.
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August 4th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
TP,
May I say that I am embarassed by and disagree with any racist comments directed at yourself or others. I was not aware that you are Japanese and believe that this should not make a lick of difference about who you are. I think you are a tosser because of what you say on here, not what your nationality is.
In saying that, now knowing that you are Japanese helps me understand your passion towards Toyota and your parochialism.
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August 4th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
I just knew he was a double agent.LOL.
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August 4th, 2008 at 9:02 pm
Gee this has become embarrassing to be an Australian. There is absolutely no excuse for rascism and Toyota Paul if you are from Japanese heritage I sincerely apologise for the majority of Australians who aren`t that way inclined. This country was built and prides itself on being multicultural and democratic, so you are entitled to your say on here even if others don`t agree, to the guys who are rascists go back to the rock you crawled out from under
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August 4th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
thats the best point on the subject Glen.
unfortunately it wont work though. he still wont get it.
i challenged him one other time when he said that “55% return to dealers within 12 months for engine problems”
he went quiet for a bit, and now he is trying to peddle the same old line again…….
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August 4th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
nice try to support your self “Jon”
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August 4th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Andrew M Says:
August 4th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
nice try to support your self “Jon”
Hey d@ckhead and obviously thats what you are, I`m not TP I`m just someone who happens to hate uneducated d@ckheads like you with your pathetic unaustralian attitude. But like my old man always says you can`t educate a f#cken idiot.
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August 4th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
TP you idiot! Once again, your inability to read what I wrote is evident!!
I said:
“I challenge you to find proof that the I6 is a unreliable engine!!!”
and what pathetic line did you come up with??
TP says:
“Commended on its reliability? The industry figures highlighting that 55% have to return back to dealership within 5 month of sales is commended? Who is the liar!”
YOU RETARD TP!!!! First we are talking about the engine, then you quote me BS about other parts of the car?? You freaken IDIOT!!!
I said it before and I said it again, the I6 engine is next to BULLETPROOF. Want proof you little pansy?? Just as you suggest, head over to the XR6T forums and READ how many cars are running over 400kw AT THE WHEELs (over 450kW @ the engine) ON STOCK UNOPENED ENGINES!!! There a subforum laballed “400 club” - I suggest to go there, read, and weep like the little b*itch you are!!
You really are a poorly educated twit! It’s annoying that one so poorly educated and clueless about other marques of vehicles can come on here, talk utter sh*t, spread such rot and get away with it.
To everyone else, just head over to ford forums or xr6 turbo forums, to find the overwhelming proof that the I6 engine is extremely reliable!
I would post links, but then my post will be moderated and wont show up!
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August 4th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Oh TP… you poor baby.. the FG Falcon has just been awarded a 5 star rating by ANCAP! Shock! Horror!
What will you do now?? How will you try and twist this so that Ford didn’t really get a 5 star rating?? How will you try to twist it to that the Aurion is still safer??? LOLL hahahahhaaaa :D
TP you ARE a twit! :)
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August 4th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Also on the XR6T forums there is another subforum titled “300+ club” - have a look at how many stock untouched engines are putting out over 50% more than how they were released from the factory and going very hard after 80k or some even over 100k running with that massive power.
THERE ARE HEAPS OF EXAMPLES THERE FOR YOU KNOBHEAD TP.
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August 4th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
To “Jon” 1 person has mentioned anything about TP being of Japanese descent and poking fun at him. Obviously it wasn’t that bad otherwise the post would of been deleted by now so just settle down.
Plus i don’t care if TP is japanese, chinese, vietnamese, korean, pakistinian, indian, german, irish, spanish, english, american, canadian, a kiwi or an aussie. He is only on here not to contribute to anything but here to provoke an argument and stir trouble. It seems a common thread with the Toyotaphiles on here.
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August 4th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Yes there will always be someone who tries to bring down the mighty, it’s called tall poppy syndrome(or in TP’s case I think they call it jelousy!)
The falcons do come back for some warranty work every now and again, mostly brake shudder(fixed by a new brake pad compound) and the occassional oil leak(fixed in approximatley 2 hours) but thats what a warranty is for. I have even seen Ford warrant their light bulbs for the full 3 years of the warranty, the only things that are not warranted are things like your battery and brake pads which are only covered for the first year/20,000kms.
I have just traded my beloved xr6 ute for a new mitsubishi lancer for the wife(Major brownie points there guys if you’re after a tip!!) as I now have a bf ute for a work car.
The only warranty problems were - brake shudder, tailgate latch popped out of position and a seized rear brake caliper that was only working on one side, but still working!
Long live Ford!! now I just have to convince the boss that I need a new FG!!!
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August 5th, 2008 at 12:30 am
TP isn’t Japanese! It’s just a little boy crying wolf.
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August 5th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Hey TP bet you wish you never said anything now.
Oh by the way Toyotas has had more than a million recalls stateside in 3 years of nearly all models and years, so a few (according to the low Ford sales figures you Toyotaphles love to anounce) Falcons going in for minor checks is a drop in the ocean.
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August 5th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Glen Says:
August 4th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
To “Jon” 1 person has mentioned anything about TP being of Japanese descent and poking fun at him. Obviously it wasn’t that bad otherwise the post would of been deleted by now so just settle down.
Actually Glen there was 2 that mentioned it and as far as I`m concerned 2 to many.
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August 5th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
So Jon we can never mention anyones nationality because we might offend someone??? This is the world’s biggest problem, becoming stupidly PC. Racism is outright hatred towards another race for no particular reason. You’re just as bad as these so called racists. As I mentioned before I don’t care what nationality anyone is, if they’re a d@ck I call them a d@ck. So Jon, you’re a d@ck.
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August 5th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Jon,
how can you one minute come out and be all politiclly correct,
and then next minute come out blazing with a post full of abuse.
and over what? nothing….
get over yourself and your desire to try and control others posts you hypocrite.
P.S.
are you new to this site?
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August 5th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Great value 4 money. But, having owned the world’s most reliable car - Honda (proven) - I’d be waiting to see how they are for reliability and build quality.
Car needs more differentiation from the rest of the range which don’t look much different to the BF range…
PS - This comment is from an ex motoring journalist.
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August 6th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
I find it rather humorous that people can’t see the advantage Ford takes by using forced induction. I will happily hang a Garrett off the side of my 6.0 litre SS and absolutely destroy the XR6T.
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August 6th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Rosquito, The XR6 Turbo is a 4.0 litre straight 6 with a turbo, a 6.0 litre V8 with a turbo should pound an XR6 Turbo, its just common place. Its an advatage yes because the turbo offers a massive amount of torque and a flat torque curve but good on Ford for introducing a fantastic performance engine, much better than anything Holden has. Ask any journo it is the best engine in an Aussie performance car ever.
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August 6th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
Jon,
I hope you didnt misread my post and assume I was being racist. I was highlighting my embarassment and the fact that i disagree with the racist comments. I still think TP can be a tosser though, then again, we all have our moments.
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August 7th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
ahh well at least Tander is still chopping Fords in the V8 Supercars…Holden still make the best V8’s
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August 13th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Yeah they may in your opinion Rosquito, but correct me if i am wrong Tanders V8 is a Chev motor isn’t it??? and the only way holden can build a V8 Commy as quick as an F6 is to Charge you $150,000 for it and fill it with red leather to make it seem different…
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September 23rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Rosquito:
Holdens imported crate donks are no longer superior either;
In october NZ Autocar they test the F6 and it does 0-100 k.p.h. in 4.82 seconds and 80-120 in a remarkable 2.64 seconds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A few issues back in a comparo between GTP and R8 (the GTP is $1k cheaper than an R8 in NZ)they also got 80-120 in 2.95s for the GTP. Heres what they had to say:
“It scored a G6ET equalling 5.28 (0-100)…the best figure we’ve achieved from a production Aussie V8 to date…..80-120 in 2.95s…anything that gets into the 2s is wickedly quick” .”Get it to 3500rpm and it explodes into action”
“[The R8 doesn’t have] the emphatic boost of bravado the Boss displays when its on cam” R8 0-100 in 5.30 & 80-120 in 3.17. …R8 felt slower”
“GTP 15.1L/100k v R8 18plusL/100k”
“LS3 is starting to show its age”
“THE VERDICT…If forced to choose, it would be the FPV for its superior powertrain, but you’d be mad not to drive the F6 before deciding”
NZ Autocar do the performance testing properly, by using a Vbox and 98RON fuel.
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October 10th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Great car to drive, 6 speed auto is very nice. Interior is basic and lacking in basic features, quality control at ford is rubbish, the doors dont line up & the bonnet and bootlid are’nt square.Im on to my 2nd xr6t and I have an 04 Fairmont Giha,and they are all the same. Crap warrenty 3 years 100 000 klm and they don’t warrent interior trim. A hyundai getz you pay 14k for has unlimmited klms for 5 years, so c’mon Ford start backing your product.
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October 14th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Guys I own one!!!! A G6ETurbo and although not an XR6, it is still basically the same driveline.
As for comments above about overheating problems/turbo problems when the FG T6 was released, it is utter crap!!!! This would have to be one of the best bang for buck Aus built cars out there.
The turbos were released without any issues!!!!! That’s from a Ford worker who makes the $%$#@ things (inside info if you wish).
I would buy another one tomorrow (an F6) if I had the money!!!!!! 310kw and quicker than anything GMH can put a badge on from the factory!
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October 14th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I might also add this. Why would Ford release a new model into the market, knowing that they need it to compete in the large car market and release it with major issues?? This would be the death of the falcon as we know it.
Complete and total suicide would it not?
The FG (in particular the Turbo) underwent almost 100,000 hrs R&D, design & real world testing in the Aussy climate over approx 5 years. Plus the T6 engine has been around since (I think early) 2002.
This engine has already proved itself over the past 5 years or so, so why all of a sudden would there be Turbo issues?? Doesn\’t make sense, does it!
82% of the FG is brand new, 12% was brought over from the last model (brakes, rotors and such) and the panels, suspension and interior design are all new.
I have driven SV Commodes, R8, SS-V and although I will not put any cr*p on them, my opinion is the FG Ford (at least the Turbo engined models) is far in front.
Just read a few reviews if you need more.
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October 16th, 2008 at 8:51 pm
This car is a beauty! I love the FG, Ford have done a great job! And paying the extra attention and research to the turbo made the XR6 turbo the pick of the litter. Which is good, because of climate change, so for big performance you don’t have to opt for the V8 anymore. Love the styling, love the performance, love the interior (well, most of it), love the car! :D
Steve
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November 18th, 2008 at 7:24 am
TP is ok guys….calm down. He’s just an underdeveloped young thing with an very ordinary car and too much time on his hands. He needs a girlfriend and a better job.
The comments tagged as racist were pretty mild. If you want a truly racist experience go and live in Japan for a year. It’s a bloody eye-opener!
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