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		<title>By: Bret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tikki,
Clearly the education system is failing too! Can&#039;t help thinking that your english skills put you at about year 4 ps level. Maybe you need to wait until you reach the right age to bother about driver training.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tikki,<br />
Clearly the education system is failing too! Can&#8217;t help thinking that your english skills put you at about year 4 ps level. Maybe you need to wait until you reach the right age to bother about driver training.</p>
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		<title>By: Tikki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 07:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proper training is needed. It is too easy to get a licence. The log book is a waste of time because most people just make it all up and learning from drivers who already have bad habits (yes the parents) is only going to pass on the mistakes. Half of the drivers out there dont even know how to set up there driver seat properly so to avoid injury in case of an accident. I believe that kids should have to pass a driving coarse in school with a properly trained instructor. Let them understand and respect drinving and raod conditions. Dont blame the youth, its the older generation who are not teaching them properly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proper training is needed. It is too easy to get a licence. The log book is a waste of time because most people just make it all up and learning from drivers who already have bad habits (yes the parents) is only going to pass on the mistakes. Half of the drivers out there dont even know how to set up there driver seat properly so to avoid injury in case of an accident. I believe that kids should have to pass a driving coarse in school with a properly trained instructor. Let them understand and respect drinving and raod conditions. Dont blame the youth, its the older generation who are not teaching them properly.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add some race tracks for the public to use either free or cheap, that way people will be able to get used to how they can control their car...
Stuff like if someone nudges you back end of the car on the 110km/h road you should be able to control it better because of all you experiance on the track...
I thought this was simple...????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add some race tracks for the public to use either free or cheap, that way people will be able to get used to how they can control their car&#8230;<br />
Stuff like if someone nudges you back end of the car on the 110km/h road you should be able to control it better because of all you experiance on the track&#8230;<br />
I thought this was simple&#8230;????</p>
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		<title>By: Stevo the Devo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevo the Devo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the last 30 years the road toll has dropped by three quarters, despite there being more cars on the road.  Yet politicians use this as an excuse for more revenue raising.  Calling one of the revenue raising speed cameras &#039;safety cameras&#039; is like the nazi&#039;s calling Auschwitz a holiday camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the last 30 years the road toll has dropped by three quarters, despite there being more cars on the road.  Yet politicians use this as an excuse for more revenue raising.  Calling one of the revenue raising speed cameras &#8217;safety cameras&#8217; is like the nazi&#8217;s calling Auschwitz a holiday camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Joober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I remember driving a hire car in Melbourne about 3 years ago, around from the big bay thing and through St Kilda at about 5 pm on a week day, and they are so on the ball over there in terms of overall concentration and driving up to (but not necessarily over) the speed limit.&quot;

... and thus more unforgiving to one another... people get road rage easily here, you do one slight silly thing, and they&#039;ll beep at you for 10mins straight. Sunday is the worst.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I remember driving a hire car in Melbourne about 3 years ago, around from the big bay thing and through St Kilda at about 5 pm on a week day, and they are so on the ball over there in terms of overall concentration and driving up to (but not necessarily over) the speed limit.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; and thus more unforgiving to one another&#8230; people get road rage easily here, you do one slight silly thing, and they&#8217;ll beep at you for 10mins straight. Sunday is the worst.</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree David have thought about the Helmet thing too.
As u say if it was compulsory like seat belts would be a good thing IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree David have thought about the Helmet thing too.<br />
As u say if it was compulsory like seat belts would be a good thing IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m surprised it wasn&#039;t Adelaide SA -  when you look at the way drivers chop n change lanes [Particularly on the Main North Road from Parafield to Gawler] using their telepathic indicators instead of the ones fitted to their cars..

However; to try and put it into some kind of perspective - drivers in WA have more kilometres to travel on rural country roads.. and most people that die on country roads are actually city slickers who aren;t used to driving such long distances at such high speeds.. they&#039;re more used to the 2 hour crawl at an average 15Km/h to travel the 30Km to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m surprised it wasn&#8217;t Adelaide SA &#8211;  when you look at the way drivers chop n change lanes [Particularly on the Main North Road from Parafield to Gawler] using their telepathic indicators instead of the ones fitted to their cars..</p>
<p>However; to try and put it into some kind of perspective &#8211; drivers in WA have more kilometres to travel on rural country roads.. and most people that die on country roads are actually city slickers who aren;t used to driving such long distances at such high speeds.. they&#8217;re more used to the 2 hour crawl at an average 15Km/h to travel the 30Km to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Fenno. Yes, perceptions do differ!

I remember driving a hire car in Melbourne about 3 years ago, around from the big bay thing and through St Kilda at about 5 pm on a week day, and they are so on the ball over there in terms of overall concentration and driving up to (but not necessarily over) the speed limit.

Over here, it takes a lot of drivers 2 or 3 suburban blocks (call it 500 metres) to even reach the speed limit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fenno. Yes, perceptions do differ!</p>
<p>I remember driving a hire car in Melbourne about 3 years ago, around from the big bay thing and through St Kilda at about 5 pm on a week day, and they are so on the ball over there in terms of overall concentration and driving up to (but not necessarily over) the speed limit.</p>
<p>Over here, it takes a lot of drivers 2 or 3 suburban blocks (call it 500 metres) to even reach the speed limit!</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Peskett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Peskett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair comment. Will keep it in mind. Cheers mate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair comment. Will keep it in mind. Cheers mate.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl,

I understand the quote is verbatim, but it would at least be good practice to point out that these statistics do not include the NT (unless they wrote the whole article for you?)

You also refer to a quote that does mention the NT, so the article makes little sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl,</p>
<p>I understand the quote is verbatim, but it would at least be good practice to point out that these statistics do not include the NT (unless they wrote the whole article for you?)</p>
<p>You also refer to a quote that does mention the NT, so the article makes little sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Jakovljevic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Jakovljevic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is Karl is that the RAC have vested interests in these reports. 

Our government is not to blame for these deaths, and its once again proof pathetic and draconian hoon law legistlation doesnt change a thing.

The truth is is that we do drive alot of km&#039;s, and alot of our deaths our outside of the city area.

Yet to see someone die doing a small burnout, but you will continue to see people die from trying to drive too far on roads which arnt the best quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is Karl is that the RAC have vested interests in these reports. </p>
<p>Our government is not to blame for these deaths, and its once again proof pathetic and draconian hoon law legistlation doesnt change a thing.</p>
<p>The truth is is that we do drive alot of km&#8217;s, and alot of our deaths our outside of the city area.</p>
<p>Yet to see someone die doing a small burnout, but you will continue to see people die from trying to drive too far on roads which arnt the best quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Peskett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Peskett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam,

NT details weren&#039;t provided. Therefore TAS is the next worse out of information available. We&#039;re not sure where Mr Moir got his details from, but that is the quote we received. We always quote statements verbatim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam,</p>
<p>NT details weren&#8217;t provided. Therefore TAS is the next worse out of information available. We&#8217;re not sure where Mr Moir got his details from, but that is the quote we received. We always quote statements verbatim.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 03:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can these passages possibly be correct - they are contradictory?

&quot;Yesterday, a report by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau showed that in the last financial year there were 10.4 road deaths per 100,000 West Australians. Respectively, next worst region was Tasmania&quot;

and

&quot;Only the Northern Territory is up there with us, and that’s no endorsement.&quot;

In fact you haven&#039;t even listed the NT as if its not a state/territory of Australia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can these passages possibly be correct &#8211; they are contradictory?</p>
<p>&#8220;Yesterday, a report by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau showed that in the last financial year there were 10.4 road deaths per 100,000 West Australians. Respectively, next worst region was Tasmania&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;Only the Northern Territory is up there with us, and that’s no endorsement.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact you haven&#8217;t even listed the NT as if its not a state/territory of Australia?</p>
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		<title>By: Fenno</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fenno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golfschwein...Nations slowest drivers????
WA (like Qld) is experiencing a nice growth spurt due to the mining and infrastructure boom (meaning drivers from all over the country and world). In Queensland they all seem to hog the right hand lane and tailgate. I found with Perth (much better roads than Brissy) there was only two speeds...Flat out and stop. LOL. Perspectives are funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golfschwein&#8230;Nations slowest drivers????<br />
WA (like Qld) is experiencing a nice growth spurt due to the mining and infrastructure boom (meaning drivers from all over the country and world). In Queensland they all seem to hog the right hand lane and tailgate. I found with Perth (much better roads than Brissy) there was only two speeds&#8230;Flat out and stop. LOL. Perspectives are funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a bad result for the nation&#039;s slowest drivers.Hey Supercujo, ever tried driving through the Tunnel at the speed limit? Sigh...

There are some good points raised here. Fenno says it&#039;s decision making. Well, yeah. Like the time I decided to push on to Mt Barker from Manjimup instead of resting for half an hour and had a nano-sleep whilst driving around a bend at 90km/h. I also had a minor collision whilst trying to squeeze a truck on a lane merge. Dur.

So, it&#039;s not speed that&#039;s the killer. The 90km/h I was punting the Commodore at was the limit. It comes down to attitude, skills, the right decisions and maturity and when one of those goes on holiday (see above), you&#039;ve just raised your chances of calamity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a bad result for the nation&#8217;s slowest drivers.Hey Supercujo, ever tried driving through the Tunnel at the speed limit? Sigh&#8230;</p>
<p>There are some good points raised here. Fenno says it&#8217;s decision making. Well, yeah. Like the time I decided to push on to Mt Barker from Manjimup instead of resting for half an hour and had a nano-sleep whilst driving around a bend at 90km/h. I also had a minor collision whilst trying to squeeze a truck on a lane merge. Dur.</p>
<p>So, it&#8217;s not speed that&#8217;s the killer. The 90km/h I was punting the Commodore at was the limit. It comes down to attitude, skills, the right decisions and maturity and when one of those goes on holiday (see above), you&#8217;ve just raised your chances of calamity.</p>
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		<title>By: BIG JIM</title>
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		<dc:creator>BIG JIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It can be concluded from these statistics that most crashes are fatigue related due to the vast distances being covered and probably alcohol. But this wont stop the speed kills nutters / revenue raisers, going on about decreasing the speed limit and introducing more speed cameras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It can be concluded from these statistics that most crashes are fatigue related due to the vast distances being covered and probably alcohol. But this wont stop the speed kills nutters / revenue raisers, going on about decreasing the speed limit and introducing more speed cameras.</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hugo, 
from those statistics you could also say that the regional areas are over-represented compared to metropolitan areas when considering population sizes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugo,<br />
from those statistics you could also say that the regional areas are over-represented compared to metropolitan areas when considering population sizes</p>
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		<title>By: alec</title>
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		<dc:creator>alec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karl, 
I understand what David Moir is saying, as I think most people would stay close to city centres. But potentially these people dont represent the driving habits of many of the fatalities. 

Of those fatalities, what was their location, what was the distance travelled by the driver on that day and what was the average distance that each of those fatalities travelled each year.

I understand that most people probably don&#039;t travel up and down the coast, but are these people under-represented in the statistics?? Or are the people that actually do travel the longer distances over represented?

Also it would be interesting to see how many are tourists?

If it doesn&#039;t already exist, an Australian Standard for &#039;Accident Information Recovery&#039; should be developed including Speed, Location, Distance Travelled on that Day, Av Distance per year etc etc. This is all easily obtainable info in many cases. 
Then we would be able to put together a real picture of accidents from a reliable standard set of accident info</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karl,<br />
I understand what David Moir is saying, as I think most people would stay close to city centres. But potentially these people dont represent the driving habits of many of the fatalities. </p>
<p>Of those fatalities, what was their location, what was the distance travelled by the driver on that day and what was the average distance that each of those fatalities travelled each year.</p>
<p>I understand that most people probably don&#8217;t travel up and down the coast, but are these people under-represented in the statistics?? Or are the people that actually do travel the longer distances over represented?</p>
<p>Also it would be interesting to see how many are tourists?</p>
<p>If it doesn&#8217;t already exist, an Australian Standard for &#8216;Accident Information Recovery&#8217; should be developed including Speed, Location, Distance Travelled on that Day, Av Distance per year etc etc. This is all easily obtainable info in many cases.<br />
Then we would be able to put together a real picture of accidents from a reliable standard set of accident info</p>
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		<title>By: Hugo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A document from the state police in W.A. with road crash/fatality statistics:

http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Portals/11/FatalCrashJune2008.pdf

It appears that most of the persons killed are male, aged 25 to 30 and drivers of motor vehicles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A document from the state police in W.A. with road crash/fatality statistics:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Portals/11/FatalCrashJune2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.police.wa.gov.au/Po.....ne2008.pdf</a></p>
<p>It appears that most of the persons killed are male, aged 25 to 30 and drivers of motor vehicles.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl Peskett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karl Peskett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Supercujo, David Moir addressed the distance issue. This is what he had to say:

&quot;The average distance travelled by Western Australians by road is very comparable to other states,&quot; said mr Moir.

&quot;The fact we live in a big state does not mean all of us travel from one end of the state to the other.&quot;

Therefore the RAC feels that a &quot;per kilometre travelled&quot; argument doesn&#039;t hold much merit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Supercujo, David Moir addressed the distance issue. This is what he had to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;The average distance travelled by Western Australians by road is very comparable to other states,&#8221; said mr Moir.</p>
<p>&#8220;The fact we live in a big state does not mean all of us travel from one end of the state to the other.&#8221;</p>
<p>Therefore the RAC feels that a &#8220;per kilometre travelled&#8221; argument doesn&#8217;t hold much merit.</p>
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