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October 2011 VFACTS: Golf jumps to third, Commodore slips to fifth

By Tim Beissmann |

The Holden Commodore has fallen to its lowest ranking in recent history, slipping to fifth place for total Australian sales in October.

The official sales data compounds a tumultuous week for the Commodore, in which the local design and engineering future of the iconic Australian family car was thrust into doubt.

Official VFACTS data released today by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) shows that 85,196 passenger cars, SUVs and commercial vehicles were sold in October 2011, up 5.3 percent (4271 vehicles) compared with October 2010.

The strong October result represents the third consecutive month the industry has outperformed the same month in the previous year, and has Australia well on track to break the million mark for the fourth time.

Toyota sales have stabilised following the Japanese tsunami-related supply issues from earlier in the year.

Strong months from Hyundai and Mazda bumped Ford down to fifth place in the manufacturer stakes, while Volkswagen finally eclipsed Mitsubishi to rise to seventh. Honda also enjoyed a resurgence, reclaiming 10th place from Kia.

Top 10 sales by marque:

  1. Toyota – 17,239
  2. Holden – 10,209
  3. Hyundai – 7507
  4. Mazda – 6999
  5. Ford – 6921
  6. Nissan – 5448
  7. Volkswagen – 5150
  8. Mitsubishi – 5120
  9. Subaru – 2630
  10. Honda – 2392

Corolla and HiLux made it a one-two for Toyota in October, while a massive month from the Volkswagen Golf saw it leapfrog the Mazda3 and Commodore onto the podium.

Despite the slide down the sales ladder, the Commodore remains the most popular vehicle for the year, holding a 371-unit lead over the Mazda3 (34,995 vs 34,624).

Top 10 sales by model:

  1. Toyota Corolla – 3593
  2. Toyota HiLux – 3480
  3. Volkswagen Golf – 3337
  4. Mazda3 – 3185
  5. Holden Commodore – 3018
  6. Holden Cruze – 2805
  7. Hyundai i30 – 2798
  8. Toyota Camry – 2725
  9. Ford Falcon – 1591
  10. Mitsubishi Lancer – 1549

FCAI chief executive Ian Chalmers said there were signs the market was returning to pre-Global Financial Crisis levels.

“Manufacturers are reporting a steady increase in demand, placing the industry in a strong position to reach our target of one million sales for the calendar year,” Mr Chalmers said.

“So far this year 837,324 new vehicles have been sold. While this is 2.8 per cent fewer than for the same period in 2010, last month’s figures are the best October sales result since 2007 and suggest a return to pre-GFC sales volumes.”

The Holden Cruze is helping prop up the Australian industry, with sales of locally manufactured vehicles up 20.1 per cent compared with October 2010. For the year, sales of Australian-made cars have slipped 2.4 per cent (from 121,628 to 118,677).

After the first 10 months of 2010, Holden had sold 49,711 locally manufactured vehicles and Ford had sold 42,767 – a 6944-unit differential. After the same 10 months in 2011, Holden has sold 62,204 Australian-made cars compared with Ford’s 32,363 – now a whopping 29,841-unit difference.

The Mazda2 topped the light segment with 1315 sales and will be the most popular light car for the year. The Hyundai i20 (1116), Ford Fiesta (1034) and the Suzuki Swift (1020) followed close behind in October.

Six small cars filled the top 10 in October. Small cars made up 27.2 per cent of the total market last month, compared with 21.7 per cent in October 2010. The Subaru Impreza (1191) and Ford Focus (789) were the next best-selling small cars.

With the exception of the Camry, the medium segment was a non-event in October. The Mazda6 was second at 475, followed by the Mercedes-Benz C-Class (421), Ford Mondeo and Hyundai i45 (both 329) and the Honda Accord Euro (316).

Behind Commodore and Falcon, the Toyota Aurion was the only other main player in the large segment with 611 sales for the month.

The Toyota RAV4 (1221) clawed back to the top of the compact SUV segment, easily accounting for the Nissan X-Trail (939), Subaru Forester (937) and the Hyundai ix35 (811).

The Ford Territory was the top-selling SUV in the country with 1230 sales. It led the Toyota Kluger (1120) and the Holden Captiva 7 (923) in the medium SUV class.


 
  • Alexander

    The Golf ahead of the Commodore? Bangel’s wet dream!

    • prisma

      WOW…3480 Hilux’s Sold…VW needed a good Golf sales month given the slow uptake of the Amarok.

      • Robert Ryan

        Amarok not selling that well elsewhere globally. They have produced 100,000 in Brazil, but Hilux beats it in that market.

        • David

          What are you on about? The Amarok is built in Argentina, not Brazil.

    • BIGJV

      A new shipment of golfs probably came in this month, filling back orders from other months meaning that the golf sales figures for the month are deceptive… Commodore has consistently maintained around 3000-4000 per month and will see 16th year as number seller again with few worries

    • test drive

      Golf ahead of the cruze. It is truely the new Corolla!

      • ariel

        ..& that’s a good thing.

      • Lukaas

        But the new Corolla is ahead of the Golf…

      • Fred

        Corolla IS reliable unlike Golf.

    • David

      Why would a BMW designer care about VW beating Holden?

    • sakegaby

      …I don’t get it !!!…why would U buy a Golf ?!
      - expensive (from cheap car in Europe upgraded to “Prestige” in OZ)
      - full of bugs/problems
      - NO resale..
      Sorry no offence but is just a w_._k !!!

  • BP

    Piss off Golf!

    • Lang Chye

      Some continue to slam the Golf but many keep buying it. Interesting phenomenon!

      • UniversityOfGoogle

        So?

        You could say the same of Great Wall lmfao

        • Sumpguard

          Not really. Golf buyers are Euro badge snobs (though the car is a good thing when it is actually running) . Meanwhile Great Wall buyers are cheapskates!

          Holden simply didn’t do enough to tell everyone the latest facelift was somehow different. New headlights and tail lights would have done it. Not good enough Holden!!

          • Sumpguard

            Also as the i30 is Hyundai’s biggest seller here it will be interesting to see how the buyers react when the new model lands which is a great looking car. The current one is NOT.

      • gibbut@hotmail.com

        same with the commdore for the last 20 years.

        just because it sells in australia, doesnt mean its any good :)

  • Crummydore

    Gee, aren’t the tariffs working well for the local industry.

    And I wonder how the sales for Commodore would be if it were not for fleet sales?

    • Devil’s Advocate

      On average close to 70% (sometimes up to 80%) of Commodore sales are to fleets. Considering the Cruze is going from strength to strength IMHO it is more the “large sedan” is “on the nose” with the buying public rather than the Commodore itself. Private buyers have been staying away for quite a few years now. Will be interesting to see how the Cruze goes once the hatch is fully online. I hope it goes well and makes up for some of the Commodore sales.

      • Crummydore

        It was inevitable that the standard 3 box 6/8 cylinder car would become a slow seller as the market place became swamped with SUV’s and big ‘small’ cars.

        And as you have confirmed with the stats, the Commodore has only stayed up top because of fleet sales, but as business’ get savvy and petrol prices go up managers will want more bang for the buck, and so 4 cylinders (not as small as they once were) are now the king.

        I think the Cruze is a good car and with the hatch coming on line it will sell well – definitely making up for the Commodore short fall.

        Interesting to note that the Cruze is not much smaller than the original VB Commodore!

        • Devil’s Advocate

          Here is some info for you Crummydore as you made such a valid point.
          VB Commodore/Cruze sedan:
          Length: 4705/4597
          Width: 1722/1788
          Height: 1371/1477
          Wheelbase: 2668/ 2685

          So in all dimensions except width it is actually larger!

          • Devil’s Advocate

            Sorry, Length!!!! The fingers aren’t following the brain! LOL

          • Crummydore

            Nice stuff there Mr Advocate… how one has these dimensions handy is anyones guess, but love your work!

          • Goodfa

            The new TM Barina’s width is 1735 which is more than the VB Commodore’s 1722. I would never have thought that was the case.

          • Matt H

            With the Malibu coming down under in a few months (ok so 12-18) there will be a real blurring of the Holden model lines.

            Malibu 2012:
            Length: 4859
            Width: 1854
            Height: 1463
            Wheelbase: 2738

            - so larger then the commodore again. But supposed to be coming out with a 4cyl engine etc. Plus will probably be cheaper (made in Korea, global product etc etc). This will probably end up hurting the Commodore even more.

          • greenroom

            my bike is an 18.5 cm frame and it’s got 700 series wheels. I wear 33 x 34 levis.

          • DrSteve

            (yep, length not width). good comparo.
            But it’s actually a whopping 100 wider in front track, 130 at the rear which may explain why is looks bigger and more planted.
            The 100 mm extra height means more headroom and more choice as to how to efficiently space seats.

            Weight of the Cruze with all of today’s safety equipment and desired optional extras is about the same as a bog standard V8 VB Commodore back then. Fuel usage is,what, 1/2 to 1/3.

          • Don Quay

            Well DA, that confirms what I’ve been told. Length is good. but width is even better!

        • http://a small third leg

          yeah and all those suckers buy a sloooooow cruze, vaguely I recall a VC 1981 Commodore with a starfire 1.9 that was just as thrilling to drive

          • test drive

            Either you have a proper perfomance car or you haven’t driven the SRi or TD Series 2 cruze.

      • http://Frosty Hicks

        I’m fairly certain holden are beginning to realise bigger isn’t always better in terms of what the customer wants.

        Don’t get me wrong though, I won’t touch anything that isnt RWD and under 6 cylinders unless it’s got some serious power – which in 4 cylinder terms means a large price tag, equivalent to a VE Calais whether it be first or second hand. Just in terms of car size mainly.

        • http://a Andy

          The current Commodore has a wheezy 3.0 with no torque, just because it’s a 6 does not make it good. If I want a big car the Falcon is smoother & more powerfull for no real world extra fuel use 296nm will never match 386nm Falcon has

          • http://Frosty Hicks

            Because it’s a 6 means it has more guts than a 4. I own both a Calais and a Zetec Fiesta – the Calais is smoother, faster and much quicker. Ford/Holden – oranges to oranges.

          • Devil’s Advocate

            Are you really that simple Hicks? The previous 4cyl I used to own would have absolutely smoked any 6cyl Commodore and in some conditions ie 80-120, would show up many of the V8s as well. It also had more torque than both the 3L and 3.6 in the Commodore in a car that was nearly 400kg lighter. There are more factors than just number of cyls that make a car fast. I also have a 2cyl that would out accelerate most V10s/12s.

            You would hope that the Calais would be faster than the Fiesta considering how many times larger the engine is and the price difference…

          • Golfschwein

            Well…it is only three quarters the size, and it beats me why people expect it to have the same performance as the Falcon. Its raw figures better every near sized 6 on the market bar BMW’s. And it’s not torqueless. I’ve driven a 3 and a 3.6 back to back for comparison’s sake and the base engine acquits itself beautifully. The difference between the two in normal driving is difficult to detect.

            I also co-drove a 3 litre Sportwagon on a 1500 km weekend round trip with 5 adults aboard, and it still overtook lustily and returned good fuel economy. If anyone remembers the much admired Nissan six of the same capacity, it’s a similar experience.

          • http://Frosty Hicks

            I certainly am DA. I’m not willing to spend the amount I have on my Calais to buy a specific performance 4 cyl for the same price just to brag that my performance torque 4 cyl can out do larger engines.

            Call me stupid by your standards, but I’m not a fool.

        • Alex

          You are a dieing breed Hicks, you have a right to feel that way but the world has moved on and you will surely be left behind along with the demand and value of these powerful RWD cars.

          Nice in their day, but not relevant any more.

          • http://Frosty Hicks

            You will find that there is great concern amoungst RWD enthusiasts. I understand that from a mere A to B driver such as yourself, you dont appreciate what a RWD has to offer over a FWD. Those of us that do, will be moving towards whomever continues to manufacture RWD (depending on brand of course, and price).

            That said, I would consider AWD, but in relation to the article – I’m certainly not paying premium price for a FWD ‘euro’ which most people seem more than happy to do so.

            Then again, I factor in parts, part price and availability, ease of ability to undertake my own servicing and that Holden and Ford are, in essence Australian made. Of course this will be picked apart by those who will point out parts are made here, there and not in Australia. But show me a car company that doesn’t do that.

            With Subaru introducing RWD in their BRZ – do you really think it’s dying? Wonder how long until VW introduce RWD to buy in on the market.

            Regardless, whenever I drive somewhere I will always see VE’s and previous models around in greater numbers than euros. That’s all the statistics I need, then again, I’m not a north shore yuppy.

          • Phil

            Funny Hicks,

            If these RWD Crummers/Falcons are so important to enthusiasts, why do you buy your RWDs all with a automatic gearbox? Sure they now come with a 6 speed auto, but its not like thats the reason given the automatic option was just as popular when it was a 3 speed auto vs 5 speed manual.

            Then theres the brakes. A basic golf now comes with 312mm disc brakes whilst Crummer attempts to haul it’s 300kg heavier arse up with smaller 302mm discs whilst Falcon’s brakes are even smaller again with even more weight to haul up!

    • Robert Ryan

      We have virtually no Tariffs and where the Golf, Hyundai and even the Japanese have trade barriers.

  • Shocked

    Wow, huge changes!
    Has Commodore ever been so low on the charts before? VW ahead of Mitsu for the first time, let’s see if they can keep that lead.

  • Ian K

    Of course sales will dwindle down when a model update is less than 3 months away…Duuuh! The majority of the buying public know this and arent dumb, unlike some of the w*nkers on here

    • http://zuboora.com mohamad is right when he

      Another VE …series3 this time? Gets a bit boring when it’s the same car that was launched in 2006… Guess they have no funds left?

      • Dude Friday

        Well they must be doing something right then

    • Goodfa

      Ian K do you know something that the rest of us don’t.From all media reports the updated VF is a long two years away.

      I don’t know how they are going to keep VE sales ticking along in 12 months time unless they start giving them away.

      • http://zuboora.com mohamad is right when he

        Holden redneck sales will help figures
        Oops I meant “red plate” my bad

        • test drive

          I just bought my firat holden ever. I Thought I’d never get into one, never liked them. The commodore was always awkward, poorly designed, noisy and bland.
          But the Series 2 Cruze is an excellent car for the money, particularly the diesel. Bang for buck you will not find a better diesel in the market and the bonus is it’s assembled in Australia. That means my dollars help keep my fellow Aussies employed. It also means a better future for our kids, but how many of you consider that when you buy a car?

          • Peter

            Not me. As if i would buy a car just to keep someone else employed. Thats like paying way too much for a property because the seller needs that price to move overseas.

  • gti

    Quick, someone tell the buying public that vw are rubbish! Can’t have their sales continuing to rise.

    • Noel

      Just because something is selling, it doesn’t mean it’s good.

      • Ample Parking

        ……. take the Commodore for example!

        • Shak

          Or the Camry for that matter.

          • Hector

            or the Clio RS 200 Cup. Been seeing heeeeeeeaps of these on the road lately.

          • 344hr

            Camry is the perfect car for A-B

            And don’t tell me Toyota’s V6 is weak, because those things fly and are incredibly smooth

        • Captain Nemo

          Or the VeeDud Golf

      • ariel

        …but if it costs more than it’s competition & yet is still outselling it..
        Explain that ?
        Are they all idiots not as smart as you ?

    • barry the towtruck driver

      Gti your on the money.Towing about 30 cars a week at least half are VW.

      • barry the towtruck driver

        Sorry to turn out the lights on this glorious day for VW FANBOYS.VW has not won the battle in Australia the last bastion of non Vw control in the World.People like Captain Nemo will expose Vw reliability issues.
        Boom time for the flat top operator,buy VW.

        • Golfschwein

          Golf at number 3? You’re hating every second of this. Go on, admit it. For all your fictional ranting, you just can’t swallow the fact that they’re number one in Europe and growing in popularity here. A surprising result for a bad product, no?

          • Golfschwein

            To barrythetowtruckdriver. Hey mate, got a job for ya: Camry with a blown head gasket. How much? Any discount for bulk? Hee hee ;)

          • barry the towtruck driver

            Golfy i wouldnt charge for a Toyota,just a pleasure to finally tow one of them.

          • dave

            yeah and commodore is no longer the best selling car in australia.

            A “surprising” result for a “good” product, no?

            lol

      • Robert Ryan

        Their electrics are still bad. The Japanese and Koreans are much more reliable.

        • AndyGF

          ROFLMAO!

          Barry, you’re telling us you are one of the few (very few) drivers working for a VW approved tow truck service?

          And if you were indeed that lucky? Wouldnt it stand to reason that towing a VW would be your primary business?

          • barry the towtruck driver

            Not sure what state your refering to when you talk about authorised VW towers.Its normally the local governments or police that have broken vechles removed from busy traffic areas not VW.

          • AndyGF

            So when you need roadside assistance? You just ignore the ‘paid for’ service/warrantee provided by your manufacturer?

            And you call the local GOVERNMENT? -Ahhhhahhaha!

            That must be the same way you solve everything in your life, you just call the government and line up and centerlink? Barry, you obviously have never had a new car in your life…

          • barry the towtruck driver

            Ok AndyGF theres no telling you.Why dont you blame me for the 1.4 litre turbo+supercharged handgrenade.
            What are we up to now 7500 engine replacements.

          • AndyGF

            Blame you? Im just proving you are a liar…

            There are millions of TSI engines rolling around, and they never miss a beat… As long as you follow instructions and you hi octane fuel it wont let you down.

            At least the oldest VW in the family has not started rusting yet. Unlike all the Jap Scrap rolling around. I can find rust on a 6 year old toyota long before I find rust on a 10 year old VW! Try look behind your windscreen/roof beading for just 1 of many examples, you will find virtually all japanese cars start rusting there long before their German counterparts do.

            (let me guess, you work closely with panel beaters, japanese rust buckets are good for business… Of course you support them.)

      • ariel

        That’s a lie Barry.
        So easy to lie on a site like this using another name isn’t it mate ?

  • Bangel

    Maybe its was RED PLATE sale down at the VW dealers that kicked the golf sales UP .

    No use moaning about crummer/falcoon fan boys , its a fact the love affair with the large sedan is over , even the fleet sales are going west .

    Golf will slip back to about 1200 next month , it was sale month in oct , then again it was at your holden dealer too.

    Crude will top the crummer from now on , two many small cars locking in on the top 4 .

    • Jim Sim

      Have to agree, Commodore and Falcon reign is coming to an end. Its unfortunate (in my opinion), I much prefer a big rear wheel drive 4 door sedan, that can fit heaps in the boot and 4 people comfortably.
      Very good month by Golf which doesnt suprise me, but, credit where credit is due, well done.

  • John of Melbourne

    I believe the strong sales in imported cars are attributed to the strong Aussie dollar coupled with the reduction in tariffs (2010 – tariffs reduced from 10% to 5%). Whether this is good or not depends on where you are sitting, the consumers or the local manufacturers.
    Also is the road system able to cope with a million additional vehicles a year?

    • Robert Ryan

      I would say this insane reduction of tariffs is very much hurting the Motor Industry . No other country has a “level playing field”. Thailand(which we are supposed to have a free trade agreement with), Japan , Korea and the European Union have stil substantial trade barriers.

  • nickdl

    I’d imagine another big shipment got in again, like in June. This month the Golf will probably fall out of the top 10. I think there are two main problems with the Commodore and Falcon: size and image. They are both too big.

    Image-wise the Commodore is seen as a bogan’s car, not helped by the fact that every drive-by shooting and every accident involving speeding or drink-driving is done in a Commodore. The Falcon is the same, either a bogan car or a taxi. I don’t agree with any of these statements but I’m not the general buying public as a whole.

    With the Cruze the same size as the original Commodore, a small car doesn’t have that same comprimise it used to. Features wise a Cruze SRi is similar to the Commodore Berlina and of course it costs a lot less to run. You can’t say the 1.4T engine is gutless either – the 3.0 SIDI engine is the same.

    The problem has become that every manufacturer insists on making their new model 54mm longer, 36mm wider and 19mm higher than the predecessor. Eventually a small car becomes a medium car, a medium car becomes very big (such as the Mondeo), and the large car becomes too big.

    Personally, the ultimate family car for me would be a 6cyl RWD sedan just slightly larger than a 3 Series and a price similar to a Commodore. It should have diesel engines in the range, as well as LPG and Hybrids.

    Holden’s mission to go for E85 in the Commodore range was a complete waste (pardon the pun). The fuel still costs the same as petrol and is less efficient. People would only buy it if they were an environmentalist who wanted a sustainable fuel, but then why would an greenie buy a Commodore in the first place?

    Hopefully the 2014 Commodore can get the above criteria right. If they drop 200kg and add diesel, I think it would be about the ultimate family car. RWD is more fun and great for towing, and the Commodore would go about as far off road as any ix35 or Captiva.

    • Henry F

      Well said Nickdl. I remember Holden’s Torana TT36 concept car back in 2004. Well sized car & RWD to boot.

      Now if Holden had built that car, I’d imagine they’d be in a better position today..

    • Karl

      +1 for the comments above. Regarding size, Holdens biggest problem is that unlike most global makers, it takes them much longer to bring a new car to market because they have a comparatively small design team (about 1000 people I think?).
      They started developing the VE in 1999, which was a very different environment. They had to predict what cars of 7 years in the future were going to be like.
      They got a lot of if right (short overhang, high belt line etc.), but they also assumed the gradual increase in vehicle size that had been happening for many, many years was going to continue. This leaves Holden in the predicament they are in now (with the Commodore being too big for the market). I think they’d be shifting 5000+ units a month if they had the Torana.

      • Bangel

        Rubbish the damn yanks are feeding them future predictions on size , GM got it wrong , they miss informed them about the future , because dumb yanks think the cheap gas will last forever and we will nuke em if they dont give it to them .

        • Karl

          Wow I actually agree with you(for once). Over the years GM have varied their level of intervention of how Holden is run. It’s almost always been a negative influence.
          When the yanks dismiss the standard Commodore as too small and opt for the long wheel base, that’s saying something.

          • Bangel

            Karl your right the americans stuffed it , but they have been nervouse nellies since the late 70′s oil crisis VB days when they went smaller and falcon stayed big , they got hammered in the charts , when big cars stayed the favorite .

            They miscalculated badly this time , large cars were doing 15000 amonth in 91 , now 5000 and getting worse , but it was down to 9000 a month in 2001 , so they new this was coming .

            I wonder how many crummers are sport wagons , they got that right , makes you wonder how many sedans they are actually selling

    • DrSteve

      you’re right about the weight of the Commodore. If my 3.6L Subaru Outback with every extra and AWD scales in at 1565kg why on earth is a Commodore 1800kgs ?

  • Jackson

    Put simply the Golf had free on roads, saving thousands so that explains the jump in sales, along with the losses in Mazda3 purchases (people choosing a golf due to price) = 3rd spot.

    • http://a Andy

      Golf is for euro tossers there are better Jap cars than that by far

      • AndyGF

        Like?

        • Ice

          Honda Accord Coupe

          • AndyGF

            Haha, the accord coupe has gotta be the worst example you could have given… A Golf is far more practical, economical and given Honda antiquated fuel injection technology, the Golf drives better too, never mind the supple ride.

        • Captain Nemo

          Like? Public transport for example is better that a VeeDud Golf hey DandyFG

          • Bangel

            THE BOGAN METRE is rising i smell zero , fung , dim sim .

          • Hung Low

            Its *Meter* Bangel, Lord of all Bogans!

          • gmh-bogan

            The biggest bogan car on the road is a FWD heavly discounted alternative for thoes who cant afford a Mercedes or BMW.That being the Rolf.

      • f1worldchamp

        I think it’s same to assume you’ve never driven a Golf Andy.

        • http://a small third leg

          yeah and I think it’s safe to assume you Golf will break within 5 years

  • shane

    die commodore die!

    die falcon die!

    you are both dinosaurs

    • Crummydore

      Hmmm, riiiiight.

      So… what car would you suggest one buy to comfortably sit 3 adults across the back seat?

      • Phil

        Why would you want to sit 3 adults across one back seat?

        Just go for a 7/8 seater.

        • Bangel

          YES 3 fat bogans wont sit in comfort in the back of any car , lay of the fries or get a hummer .

      • Lazybones

        “comfortably sit 3 adults across the back seat?”

        Well that wouldn’t be either car, unless the adult in the middle has really really short legs!

        If you want backseat confort for adults, buy an SUV.

        • JEKYL & HYDE

          which suv has more legroom/shoulderoom than commodore?

          answer…???(NONE)

          • test drive

            so how many people regularly ferry 5 adults!?!?
            OK time for you cabbies to fess up! Even most of their fares would not be needing 3 adults in the rear.

        • Lazybones

          Yeah right, i’ve owned a Commodore (yes I admit it), My Parter just got rid of an old Falcon, and i’ve owned 2 SUVs.

          An SUV will beat any large sedan on practicality and space. Why do you think families are dumping large sedans in favour of SUV’s. The RAV4 even has its rear seats on a rail so you can adjust the leg room to suit the passengers, which large sedan does that? The Sante Fe has a massive cabin due to its smaller engine compartment. It will manage on a regular basis 2x baby seats and 3 adults and 2 kids + shopping. Which large sedan does than?

          The sales speak for themselves, aussie families are moving towards 1 small car and a SUV.

      • Dave S

        What other car could accomodate 3 baby car seats? The VE makes a great family car plenty of with for 2 or 3 kids car seats and boots space for prams and baby gear.

        Not all mums and dads want poor handling, slow SUV’s. Just cause I am a dad does not mean I have stopped enjoying the drive.

        • Crummydore

          Dave… your argument is a totally valid.

          Unless you have lived it you can never fully appreciate how much room Commodores and Falcons actually have – just up until recently I had three child seats in the back, also doubled as a parents with friends mover with seats removed.. and we had happy customers in the back.

          I don’t want an SUV and I don’t want a people mover…

          Oh, and it doubles as a bogan hauler when necessary!

          • Phil

            “mover with seats removed.. and we had happy customers in the back.”

            Right, so basically you stick people in the back without seats or seatbelts?

            Then you say it doubles as a bogan hauler?

            And Dave, How many familys do you think have 3 baby aged babys at once?
            Most familys don’t even end up having more than 2 kids let alone having 3 kids that are all babys at the same time.

          • DE

            Gee Phil, not very up to date with child seat regulations are you?
            Most (all?) states have legislation that requires kids up to the age of 6 years be in a child suitable restraint. And responcible parents keep thier kids in the safest possible restraint for as long as practicable.
            The number of (totally) unrestrained kids I’ve seen in older Taragos is simply mind numbingly stupid.

        • Devil’s Advocate

          Rear seat width/shoulder room I fully agree Dave S, however there are a few small/medium cars out there with a bigger boot than a Commodore. ie Fiesta sedan/Mazda6 sedan/Mondeo/Skoda Octavia and Superb sedans to name just a few. Even a Camry/Aurion has a bigger boot than a Commodore.

          I firmly believe a car like the Commodore deserves it’s place in the market and is a better choice for some people than an SUV, however it is not for everyone. I personally wouldn’t get one at this stage as I only have one child and the Mazda6 the wife has is more than commodious for US, not other people, but FOR US. Plus it also is fun to drive with much more “delicate” and “direct” handling than a VE. It has a bigger boot than a Commodore yet doesn’t take up anywhere near as much road space making it easier for the wife to park etc during her everyday duties (I don’t drive it much as I have the bike to get to work etc) as let’s face it, the Commodore is PHYSICALLY a very big car and takes up more space on the road/car park than most SUVs getting around like the Territory/Santa Fe/CX7/Forrester etc. If you don’t need something with that much space it is a bit of an overkill. But if you do, there aren’t much better out there for the money…

        • Martin

          I live in the Bowen Basin and small cars and small SUV’s just don’t cut the mustard out here – people can argue all they like about the merits of each but they don’t live out here and know what it’s like. You need a large comfortable car to travel several hours anywhere. There will always be a demand albeit however dwindling out here for large cars. If only they would do something about the fuel economy – why is there no diesel option? I would definitely have taken a diesel commodore!

          • Bangel

            GET yourself an FB holden martian , best damn holden ever , fins standard , wrap round windscreen , clap hands wipers , absolute world class leading car in 1961 , not much has changed .

          • Martin

            Such a bright witty comment – you even spelt my name wrong. Forgive me for finding a car that is not on YOUR satisfactory list that actually fits my needs.

        • Bangel

          NOT all mums and dads want blow the budget on a gas guzzling booted fat old world car , that prams dont fit in .

          • test drive

            Your comments are frequently those of a troll.
            Are you unhappy in life that you need to vent here?
            Does it make you a better person?
            From what I’m seeing, I can’t help but think you dont have many friends. I hope thats not the case and that it’s simply a warped sense of humor you bring here.

          • Bangel

            TESTIBLES , just balancing the bogans frenzied comments about any imported cars being rubbish , when their beloved crummers are junk , all done with a touch of sarcasm ,one by one my friends,family and business colleages are shedding the OZ bombs in their lives , and now they feel free to enjoy the drive .

          • test drive

            “balancing the bogans frenzied comments”,
            what, by stating the obvious? Of course there are good and bad cars from every car company. I’m all for a touch of sarcasm, and please use it – but reakon you can avoid the blatant offensive remarks? No, Falcons and Commodores are not the world’s best cars but they certainly arent as bad as you make out and they add more Aussie jobs than anything Euro.
            Like I said earlier – it is but another industry that we will lose if we don’t use. You right to buy whatever you please is an inalienable right. I just hope you stop to think about what your kids will do for their jobs one day, whether it’s building cars or working in an office. Once we stop buying Aussie, we are losing more than just money. For what it’s worth, I’m pretty proud to be driving my Aussie made (or at least assembled – like any car is “assembled” in a country) Series 2 Cruze. It’s not as dynamic a drive as the Golf but it’s also only 2/3 the price and it doesn’t make Germans rich. For the record, it’s also got more torque than any of it’s competitors, inclund the Golf GTD and only 5KW less to boot. It also has a 5 year factory warranty. I’m yet to see VW do that.
            Don’t get me wrong, the Golf is a sweet car. But value?

            Thanks Holden. I never thought I’d own one but now I do and (shock horror) am happy.

      • Golfschwein

        A bus.

        • Frenchie

          Like the VW camper!

      • shane

        I can count the times that i needed to sit 3 adults in the back on one hand. Its just not relevent

      • DrSteve

        really, how many people want to sit 3 adults across the back – and how often.
        For one-offs a Cruze etc would do.

      • Jacob

        The vast majority of Commodores, Falcons, HSVs have only 1 person in them.

    • http://a Andy

      Really…nice this is not. Bogans only fit in a 5y.o. Commodore. This is the trougble with keeping the same shape as a 2006….they have been boganised!!! Still they hold thier place on the Ausie landscape

    • Eric

      OUCH…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

    Golf is one overrated vehicle that Australia seems to love.. In Europe golf sales are declining just like how commodore is declining here & in the U.S, Canada the golf was never popular

    • Phil

      Ummm, 15 years ago, Bombadore was selling 9000 cars a month, now its down to 3000 a month.

      Golf global sales have more than doubled during that time.

      We all know the Americans have lovely taste in cars…so what does a lack a popularity for the Golf in the USA have to do with anything?
      As it happens, Bommodore has never been popular ANYWHERE else in the world other than Australia & Saudia Arabia.

      • Bangel

        Golf has never sold in USA because silly americans view hatchbacks as CHEAP , so thats why they have the jetta , which is a total flop in the uk .

        What this means is that we are following europe/japan eco/ hatches reign supreme , hence the bean counters at GM DETROIT cannot understand why the crummer is falling .

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

          What’s so special about hatches? They’re expensive, dangerous (rear passengers are dangerously affected in a rear end collision), they have limited interior space, they look ugly, they have no proper boot etc etc

          • http://a Andy

            Expensive …NOT, cheap to run and buy and looks are an opinion, boots on sedans are the real space wasters, I would prefer a wagon or hatch over a stupid “sedan”, why do you need a metal box on the back, its just not convenient or even practical

          • Eric

            Try lifting a pram/esky/dog ect in a hatch or sedan.

            Hatch wins hands down.

            Eric

          • Bangel

            CHEESECAKE CHARLIE i have had 3 hatches and a wagon in the last 10 years , i would never go back to a sedan , totally impractical .

            Twenty years ago wagon/hatches were rattly noisy boxes , not any more, very quiet , and thats the attraction .

            So if their dangerous then a golf should not have a 5 star rating , yer right .

            You stick to your camry fridge .

          • Jacob

            lol, HA HA HA!

            Hatches actually have MORE space than sedans. And no, I dont find Hatches ugly.

      • FF

        its popular in Kuwait and UAE too.. get your facts right!

        • Phil

          In those parts, covering yourself head to toe in curtains is popular too – is that something you do too?

      • gmh-bogan

        Phil if VW sales have doubled why is every second commercial on tv+radio a VW advert.There buying market share heavily discounting.Not making any money when the massive (service recalls) start.Cant wait for that..

    • Smoothcall

      Not sure why you think Golf sales are declining in Europe.

      As at the end of Sep, sales are up 3.6% on last year. It is currently the top seller and sitting on 372,000 for the year, about 100,000 ahead of 2nd (currently close between the Fiesta and Polo).

    • Alexander

      People buy Golfs in Aus because they can’t afford a proper ‘prestigious’ European car like a BMW/Merc/Audi, and prance around thinking they’re all classy and ‘european’ because they have a German equivalent of a Corolla/Mazda 3.

      • Eric

        As for the drive the Golf walks all over the corolla and slightly better than the Mazda3.

        Not sure if “afford” is correct plenty of well people don’t care what brand they buy.

        People on this site are interested to mad keen on cars. A lot of people are not, it’s a mode of transport.

        Looks, ads, safety, MPG, what their family/family drive and price are important but I doubt that more the 2 of the above count.

      • http://a Andy

        good one so true!! Go ahead enjoy your Golf till the electrics or gearbox break, a corolla whitegood will see you off I I hate corolla’s

      • Golfschwein

        It wasn’t for me, Alexander. Don’t write us off quite so glibly as that. What if I just wanted the best small hatchback of 2005 that just happened to have a diesel engine? I wouldn’t have cared if it was German, French or Italian. Of course I couldn’t afford a Beemer or Merc, but just a little more credit for my purchasing decision would be nice, as I give you yours for your Prius. You know, the Golf was just a little more expensive than a 3, Focus or Astra and just a little nicer and better.

        There was always the A3 if I wanted to splash my cash around. And anyway, where’s the sin in buying something nice? Isn’t that we all try and do, within our means? Or do you try to buy something that’s horrible?

        • Alexander

          Of course i’m generalising, i’ve met Golf owners who probablys can’t tell a difference between a Golf or a ‘Rolla. I’m going by general attitudes expressed by acquaintances, colleagues and forum posters who have Golfs. If i were after a small diesel hatch in 2005 a VW Golf would have been first on my list as well.

      • Bangel

        alex the great you need to by a plane ticket out of OZ and get the big picture.

        I have owned BMW’S and i did not a buy a golf because i wanted a prestigious make believe BMW OR AUDI .

        I bought because it was well made , small , powerfull, economical, handled well and was hatch , dont need a biggy , only me in it , dont travel interstate any more , we all fly .

        • Alexander

          Cool story, bro.

          Considering your absolute hatred for all Australian cars (i’m not commodore/falcon lover either), Bogans, and absolute adoration for all things German, shouldn’t YOU be the one with a one-way ticket out of Australia?

          • maple leaf

            hahahaha, Support Australian car industry for crying out loud, bungles and not the bloody germans.

          • Bangel

            I like french cars and jap cars , all very interesting to drive , most bogans by an AUTO crummercoon and they think it the bees knees ,der .

        • Captain Nemo

          No Bungel
          you bought a VeeDud Golf because you love Tray trucks.

      • maple leaf

        The golf is the new commodore. but can it tow a boat? nah.

        • Bangel

          WHY its an american company that makes average transport , i come first, not a bunch of bogans unionists propped up by socialist govt thats only interested in their lazy mates and a free ride .

          • Karl

            I’m curious as to why you keep mentioning that Holden is owned by Americans.
            Are you suggesting it’s the only foreign owned car manufacturer in Australia?

          • DrSteve

            I guess when they call the tune as to who will engineer the next Commodore in order to maximise company profits, it proves that a lot of Holden money goes back to the States.
            Yes, the big Australian cars are really very American.

      • RK

        So true, and this is especially why you see so much uptake on the Golf GTI here compared to other “sports” models: it isn’t being bought so much for the driving quality as for being an upspec Golf, and thus letting the owners feel a bit of snobbery to “regular” Golfs but still without the Audi/BMW/Merc price tag!

    • Golfschwein

      Without looking for a reference, the Golf is still the top selling car in Europe, is it not?

      • RK

        Europeans idolise European cars too (and why not, they’re cheaper there for obvious reasons, how could a Mazda 3 compete on price or sentiment with a locally-made Golf?). And that’s the thing really, in Europe the Golf is a mass-market car sold to Joe Average, in Australia they carry a premium and get sold as aspirational cars to a lot of people who feel that a Golf is more prestigious and classy than a Corolla or a Cruze or a 3.

      • BIGJV

        It is also the car that has the most manufacturer recalls in europe…

        • John of Perth

          your reference source ?

  • http://www.honda.com.au Voumard

    HONDA back in it. What a victory claiming 10th spot back from Kia. Good form honda i think its safe to say the future is looking bright. Probably can afford to push out slightly modified versions of the jazz and civic to get us by the next 5 years.

    • Phil

      Beating Kia to claim 10th is a great victory? What a odd statement.

      • nickdl

        I think there’s just a hint of sarcasm there…

  • Phil

    Lovely sales from Falcoon LPI. Even fewer Falcoons sold than last month!

    So much for the saviour.

    • nickdl

      There isn’t many LPI sales because Ford haven’t built many LPI Falcons yet. They’ve apparently had supply shortages.

      • http://a Andy

        Good luck Ford now just redesign the fuel tank to go under the floor and your a winner

        • paul

          ???????
          Tanks are under the floor

      • Phil

        Hard to imagine how they could have supply problems.
        It’s not like their factory or their suppliers are operating at full capacity…

        • Hung Low

          Exactly how long has Ford been using Orbital to supply their Lpi systems Phil? Use your imagination from now on!

      • Rick

        We will be trialling two in our fleet and we’ve been told about a 3-4 week wait

        • Hung Low

          Good choice Rick!

      • Bangel

        Same old story release it with no stock , poor planning , kick some butt .

        Those sales 1500 are down to the old 380 level , must be just about over .

        • nickdl

          The 380 was worse than that. It often failed to make the top 20 passenger cars meaning that it sold less than 1000 for many months. It was at 1500 per month at its best, around 600 at worst. Much like the Aurion at the moment, only the Aurion has large export markets.

      • V8car

        yep, lack of supply of buyers for them.

      • Frostie

        According to Ford NZ. The EcoLPi Falcon will arrive in New Zealand “during the first part of the year – January”. So that’s a couple of months now.

    • barry the towtruck driver

      Gday Phil remember me.Ive towed your Passat a few times.But havnt towed you as much as Bangel.Ample Parking and gti+mohammad.

      • Phil

        Umm Barry, what planet you on?

        I don’t own a passat and even if I did, what on earth does that have to do with the Ford Falcon sales figures?

  • Hyundai of the 90s

    Who cares about the Golf or VW getting ahead…
    HYUNDAI IS THIRD PEOPLE? THIRD!!

    Have we not realised this disgrace after all this time?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

      Who cares about the Golf or VW getting ahead…TOYOTA IS THIRD PEOPLE? THIRD!!

      Have we not realised this disgrace after all this time?

      • http://a Andy

        who ordered the white goods on wheels…..anyone

    • LookItUp

      Hyundai vehicles are good quality these days. Also this not the first month Hyundai has place third in Australia.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

        In USA Hyundai sold 13,000 Elentra and 18,192 Sonata (i45)

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

          ** Last Month **

      • http://a Andy

        I think they try too hard to be good looking, the ix45 is a Melc SL copy….with a Korean Excel badge…..eerrrmm

  • JLR fan

    Can we get the Jaguar and Land Rover numbers please?

    • http://a Andy

      sure 1 Jag and 2 Landies….next

      • DrSteve

        both at present in the workshop

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

    I think it’s time that Australia get the F-150 & Tundra

    • nickdl

      Perhaps we should legalise guns again as well…

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

        whats that got to do with anything? Canada has the F-150 & Tundra

        • TallyHo

          And what do the F150 and Tundra have to do with this news item? From what I can see the HiLux is selling extremely well and the new Ranger will too.

    • http://a small third leg

      compensating for something are we…….

    • dadar

      What’s the point of bringing those cars here exactly?

      • Bos

        They’ll sell very well

        • dadar

          I had to disagree with you, seeing as the Hilux and Ranger are taken so darn well by Australia, I really really doubt that they’d be able to move large numbers for those larger trucks even if they do decide to bring it in. Of course there’s a market for them, but I’m just saying that it’ll probably a very small one.

          Just my 2 cents yeah. Don’t shoot.

    • David

      Completely agree.

  • http://caradvice.com Ceagle

    October was obviously a good month for the ladies and the manicured boyz club going by how many DAK DAK’s were sold.

  • Richard

    Plot the trend line of the Commodore over the last 6 years thru to 2014 and you will see that Holden will be lucky if they sell 10,000 cars in 2014. Holden know that no one (including fleets) will be interested buying an 8 year old car design in 2014. Imagine the depreciation, 60% in the first year?

    PS
    1. Golf is largest selling car in the world 1,000,000pa
    2. Hyundai/Kia will be the biggest selling manufacturer in Australia by 2014
    3. More than 50% of cars sold will use <5 litres/100kms by 2014

    • http://a Andy

      3. More than 50% of cars sold will use <5 litres/100kms by 2014. And go from 0-100 in live errr never
      I need a Turbo. I have a 2006 1.5 turbo (now with extra boost 152kw/1130kg) can do a flat 6.0 0-100 and fuel use never exceeds 8l/100. Go on…save your 3l/100 ($4.50), I have all the fun

    • JEKYL & HYDE

      nope.No3 won’t happen.pls rethink.should be 8/8.5…

    • jr

      No way in hell , Hyundai and Kia will outsell Toyota this decade.The don’t have a ute and if you don’t have a ute you will never be number 1 in Australia.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1715760895 Charles Dean

        He means Hyundai+KIA .. Alone none of them come close to Toyota

    • Matt H

      Interestingly the Commodore average fuel consumption is 9.5L/100. Compared to a Mazda 3 which is 8.1L/100 (all but the new SP20) this is not a big difference. Its about $315/yr difference (15000km/yr at $1.50/L).

      • Devil’s Advocate

        Then there is Mazda’s more expensive/frequent servicings. However much of that is offset by the Mazda’s cheaper initial purchase price, better resale, cheaper tyres, insurance, registration in most state etc etc. There is more to the ongoing costs of a car than just fuel!

        It is an interesting figure though and proves how efficient these big sedans can be when driven sedately. Don’t forget however that a lot of that is due to the Commodore’s outstanding highway fuel economy. Around town, where the majority of people drive, the difference would be a lot greater with the Mazda being able to manage a lot closer to it’s combined figure than the Commodore using similar driving styles. Just like my sister’s V6 Commodore, outstanding highway economy but shocking around town with figures well into the high teens.

        • Matt H

          Yeh, i agree on all of those points. But its interesting how a lot of companies go on and on about a 1L/100km saving, (sometimes even brag about 0.5L/100km). Which in turn plays on peoples minds and they often ‘downsize’ for the fuel saving. But at the end of day its often a very little saving to the hip pocket.

          When I look at buying a car I use the city fuel consumption as my guide rather then the combined.

          (You have to wonder how much of it is a false economy – stop-start, turbos etc, how long will these last in real world driving, and one something goes wrong its often more expensive).

          • RK

            Realistically in urban driving the difference is much bigger. The combined figures are misleading. There’s no doubt that a big powerful cruiser like a Commodore is MUCH more efficient in highway driving than in urban stop-start stuff, but in practice for most Australians most time is spent in the city.

          • DrSteve

            and then there are people who running around with one of those fuel dockets , supporting the food duopoly just to “save” 4 cents per litre.
            I looked at vehicles’ extra urban consumption before I bought this time. The 14L/100 city usage would have turned me off the car I wanted until I realised the 7.2/100 cruising consumption would be more our norm as we would not be battling much city traffic.
            It’s important to ponder over projected vehicle use over the next few years to make the best buying decision.

  • Ice

    I rape all cars with my Aurion

    • http://a Andy

      you wish fastish in a straight line but my 1.5 turbo can do 6 flat 0-100 you will be picking up the soap tonight

    • DWS1

      …that is because you are going side ways with the torque steer.

      N.B. the TRD version did look OK. I wonder what the the depreciation is on a car that was rubbish to drive from the start?

      • Ice

        Rubbish to drive? Don’t you mean comfortable, fast, quiet & reliable? It also looks much better then any ugly commodore or falcon

        • Rick

          The aurion is the best car Toyota sells

          • http://a small third leg

            Does not say much for Toyota really, sure smooth and quiet but also void of any personality, bland, boring and front wheel drive large car…yuk

        • http://a small third leg

          Anyone who knows good cars to drive does not appreciate a v6 fwd, just too heavy in the nose to steer all that torque draging the car from the front. Great in small cars, now be a good boy and go away any enjoy your Aurion while we drive real cars (Falcon/hot hatch)

          • Rick

            I never said they were good to drive. I said they are the best car Toyota sells . However the trd aurion we had wasn’t that bad , not as good as the FPV F6 or the VE SS . Different league really

  • Dave S

    Looks like the Toyota 3.9% finance has made a big difference.

    oh and lets not forget the VE is still the best seller for the year.

    • Eric

      Just

  • Narks

    1. Incorrect. Corolla is #1. Golf is Third.
    2. While Toyota have a Hilux this will not happen
    3. Care to explain where you plucked this from?

    • http://a small third leg

      Corolla is the new fleet car for the likes of blue care nurses A-B 100kw and 1350kg…yipeee NOT

      • Boibang

        What’s your ideal car small third leg?

      • BP

        C’dore is 73% Fleet thanks.

  • Andrew

    Poor old Subaru. Not building cars people want is showing up in the figures. 600 Liberty+Outback sales for the month. If they had Diesel/Auto combos in all their cars they would have much better sales. VW showing Subaru how to do it.

    • davie

      styling doesn’t help either…

    • DWS1

      The cars seem ok mechanically, but I could not live with the “face” of any of them.
      …I don’t understand how Subaru did not market research each model with groups of possible customers and say does this look Ok, or are our designers on drugs.

  • davie

    In compiling peoples thoughts here and I think there are a few things going on here impacting Commodore sales.

    Fuel use – perception is that big cars use more fuel

    small cars getting bigger – more families now considering “small” cars which are as big as the original VC commodore

    Families getting smaller (2 Kids) no need for a car that can fit “3 adults across the back seat”

    SUV’s and dual cab utes – able to hold similar amount of stuff but seen as more “versatile” for the aspirational family who imagine they will drive to cape york one day.

    bogan – advertising association with tribalism, yobbo burnouts and mundane family life in the burbs not seen as cool anymore by changing society

    resale – bad resale has scared repeat buyers away.

    towing – 4wd’s seen as tow vehicle now instead of family car

    • http://a small third leg

      thats a pretty good analogy, quite a good laugh really. Such a joke seeing people with a Craptiva from Korea, oh sorry that Holden badge must make it OK. I refuse to buy a 4WD or lookalike, just 200kg of excess weight.

  • Bangel

    Davie , you are the MAN , absolutely spot on , pity GM hadn’t listened to your wise points years ago .

    A Boganistic society is no longer an aspiration in a world travelled nation .

    • Ford Fairlane

      LOL,jez you are full of yourself,WTF is a “world travelled nation”.LOL

      • Bangel

        Well DORF FAILANE its like this , just about everybody has been O/S

      • Bangel

        WELL its like this DROF FAILANE just about every body has been O/S except you bogans , and they realise that the bogan oz is a fake macho fool who drives a crummercoon , they no longer wish to align themselves with this culture .

        They have seen how civilised people live in the rest of the world and that is what they aspire to .

        Intelligent persons realise that fuel is going to keep rising in cost , therefore we downsize and save .

        They also realise that a big car with a gas guzzling 6/8 is worth nothing resale wise

        These people are “WORLD TRAVELLED ” aware of the market and what the future holds .

        Here endeth the lesson .

        • Karl

          If they were truly ‘world travelled’, they’d realise that a Golf isn’t as prestigious as the VW advertising makes it out to be.
          It’s actually a German Corolla.

          • Robert Ryan

            VW still has a lot of electrical glitches. Something they have not beaten as yet.

          • Eric

            The Golf is waaaaaay better to drive than the Corolla. More like the Greman Madaz 3

          • Karl

            Of course it’s better to drive than a Corolla, I was getting at the fact that many people think that if a car is European then it’s somehow prestigious.
            Yep, lets go with the German Mazda 3 lol

        • Ford Fairlane

          Ah …World Travelled,I get it now,you are a Kevin Rudd supporter…LOL

          Just about everybody has been OS,LOL,you mean just about everybodys job is going OS.

          When Falcons and Commodores are not sold anymore,Golfs with small 4cly turbo engines and high mileage will be the resale flops.

        • Alexander

          Wow step baaaack, you’ve been overseas? That’s SO cool! Are you calling all Australians uncivilised? I’m Italian born and lived there long enough to notice that Australia is a nicer place to live. You’re saying big cars with 6′s are worth nothing resale wise? i’d assume that excludes your darling Passat, A4, A6, E class and 5 series V6 and V8s?

          The fact that you bring your hatred for Commodores into EVERYTHING shows that you have nothing to stand on. Here endeth the lesson ;)

          • test drive

            And I think thats what you call
            ‘owned”.

  • Rick

    I wonder how many cruzes they’d sell if they still had their daewoo badge

    • http://a small third leg

      ha ha too true, should sell beside a VB Commie or the whoa look out SRi Torqueless below 300rpm wonder

      • Karl

        I think you’ll find most cars are torqueless below ’300′ rpm

      • test drive

        Want torque? Buy the Diesel Cruze. Or maybe 360NM is what you’d call “Torqueless”….

        • Eric

          Yep good choice.

          Nice recall on them ATM

  • robj

    Since when is Hilux a passenger car?

    • Robert Ryan

      Best selling vehicle. True Trucks not just Pickups would not have the numbers

  • Bangel

    Black friday for the crummer/falcoon fan boys , wont be many on the sreets in a couple of years , and by 2015 its all FWD , welcome to the real world .

    Maybe their ladies can teach them in the spark how to negotiate a bend .

    • robj

      Yes, Too many latte sipping, manbag totting, brand jean wearing ladyboys out there like you now.

  • Wanda

    What has this got to do with car sales?

  • Mr Gaspo

    It’s a shame the locals are in trouble. If Holden and Forfd had stuck a diesel in their big cars about 5 years ago this would have made a big difference in sales. Quite frankly I’m unconvinced by SIDI… Big heavy car in traffic will drink petrol.

  • Seano

    I still think falcon an territory should be added together!!!! Adventura used to count as a commo!

    • Dave S

      Did it?

  • paulb

    Really bad result for supporters of the local industry.Australians want Corolla,Hilux,Mazda3+Golf.
    LPI Falcon yet to make an impact on Falcon sales.After yesterdays talk about the future of Commodore design+engineering.The future of the large sedan does not look good.I still believe the large RWD vechle is still the best car to drive on the road.

  • Mariusz

    I for one welcome our VW overloards

  • Robert Ryan

    What happened to the Fusion? It is not selling for Ford. Hilux is amazing and it sells very well not just in Australia.

    • DoleBludger

      Wrong country mate, the Fusion isn’t sold here. We get the Mondeo.

      • Robert Ryan

        Sorry Mondeo, Fusion is based on it in the US.

  • Peter Stone

    Boohooohooo, golf sells up a storm so the haters have to come out blazing with excuses and bantering. Get over it guys, Place your ass in a 118tsi or a gti and find out why they are loved so much. Even if I had many problems with mine you would still see me coming back for more because they are that good! Running costs, drivability, comfort, safety, performance, equipment and standard features. They tick all the boxes.

    • nickdl

      They are very nice cars and will leave you wanting more, especially when they spend half the time in the garage. ;)

      • Peter Stone

        Yeh mine spends more than half the time in my garage cause I live so close I walk to work, so Saturday and sunday it gets to open up. Took it for a big drive in the wee hours or this morning right down the bombaderry from sydney , over to moss vale and back up and it and I loved every moment of it. Apart from the wombats, god they were everywhere!

    • PROJET – L

      That’s why Skoda used the Audi 118tsi (single turbo 1.8) over the problematic VW turbo supercharged 1.4 hand grenade
      Beaut engine with more torque

  • rentakeyboard

    Less than 600 1st to fifth. Couldnt it be argued these figures are a bit skewed due to Toyota gettin fresh stock on the ground and filling outstanding orders.

    • dave

      you can argue till the cows go home whether the numbers are accurate or not

      but you can’t deny the fact that there is less market demand for large cars such as commodore and falcon

  • Snoop

    One thing we all have to remember.
    Ford and GM are global businesses.
    If business isn’t booming then they will look elsewhere.
    Unfortunately our cars aren’t booming anymore.
    Falcon and Commodore are a tiny part of massive global operations.
    If they find they can invest and make more profit elsewhere they will do so.

  • Sue M

    I don’t see what’s the big deal about insisting commodore and falcon being produced in Australia.

    Just because they have been made here in the last 15-20 yrs, it doesn’t mean it will stay that way forever.

    And the call for the government to intervene because the euro cars are selling better due to the rising dollar is just bulls#$%.

    Maybe if commodore production moves overseas, they will become cheaper too =p

    • paulb

      Sue M the economics of your argument might be correct.Holden has been here since 1948.Previous to that they where body builders.
      Ford Canada started Falcon production in 1960 in AU.Previous to that Ford had been in AU since the 1920″s.
      Australia has the lowest tarrifs in the developed world in Europe ther double our 5%.The idea of having our own designers and engineers design cars for our unique conditions has been a big winner for Australians.With reliability and buildquality and difficult driving conditions.
      You cant be serious about building Commodore and Falcon overseas,you just miss the point.

      • Phil

        What are our unique conditions we need cars specifically designed for? For cars, our urban areas are barely any different from any other urban area in the world except our cars don’t have to sit in sub zero temperatures.

        True, theres plenty of ruggered wilderness in Australia but go “outback” and you won’t see many Commodores/Falcons……basically all Japanese 4WDs; Landcruisers, Hiluxs, Patrols, etc.

        • paulb

          OK Phil you win.Its almost time to give up on the local industry.You have to admit the Comm and Falc are good open road cars.

    • Shak

      As much as i dont want Sue M’s position to come true, i can see the logic behind it. if Commodore production did continue overseas we would still be able to maintain the Aussie engineering base and keep the unique attributes such as RWD, spaciousness, lots of features; of the Commodore alive. While at the same time reducing costs of production.

      • paulb

        Sertainly makes sense in terms of a business position shak.Get better features on the car for less money with AU design+engineering.
        Aussies wont buy it,the media will skin them alive.You can not find enough new jobs to replace the massive job losses.Business decisions allways change .What was a good idea 10 year ago,like subprime mortage is a disaster today.

  • GTR-XUI

    Hope the 5150 VW purchasers in October took an extended warranty.You will use it ,,ha.ha.

  • BK

    ‘Wont be long now when the VD commodore dies the tow truck business will be gone also

  • BP

    The Holden Promotion that Holden had going during October was the factor behind C’dore’s drop in sales + MY 12 Changes + Introduction Of Equipe variants. Cruze & Captiva also experienced lack of availabilty too. Next month should see C’dore backon top if not No.2.

  • 22p

    The fact remains commodore & falcons are mediocre cars purchased by fleets and bogans

    The only thing that they can claim over the much Superior Japanese V6 platforms is that they’re RWD based..

    I own an Aurion Presara and a Corolla, I keep the Aurion for the weekends as it’s fast, refined, comfortable, quiet and good for long long huals..

    • Phil

      If the Aurion is all those things, why not drive it on the weekdays as well?

      I can’t understand how someone who wanted a second “weekend car” would choose a Aurion. GEEEZ.

      Btw, the Aurion is universally noted by all motoring media to be the worse handler in the class.

  • http://thisone LoveEuro

    TLDR … but isn’t the Cruze the new Camira?
    Yeah.. they were durable…

  • PoisonEagle

    Phil, bangel etc and those who spend hours on here doing nothing but troll and discredit certain brands make me ashamed to call myself a car enthusiast. Same spiel littering every article, no imagination and no tolerance. Cars are getting fatter, less engaging and the emphasis is shifting from driving enjoyment to useless features, volume and profits .
    European cars have their strengths, as do Australian ones, I for one will lament the loss of the latter but alot of European cars are good to drive and interesting. Even Hyundai makes a decent car every now and then. Dish out criticism when its due.

  • PoisonEagle

    Phil, bangel etc and those who spend hours on here doing nothing but troll and discredit certain brands make me ashamed to call myself a car enthusiast. Same spiel littering every article, no imagination and no tolerance. Cars are getting fatter, less engaging and the emphasis is shifting from driving enjoyment to useless features, volume and profits .
    European cars have their strengths, as do Australian ones, I for one will lament the loss of the latter but alot of European cars are good to drive and interesting. Even Hyundai makes a decent car every now and then. Dish out criticism when its due.

  • Commentator

    Golf ist die beste

  • gibbut@hotmail.com

    Holden have realised what ford realised 2 years ago. The large sedan market is dying, and i suppose this is why ford doesnt give a rats about falcon ( shame )

    its all medium sedan time now. They all carry 5 people without being too big and thirsty.

    • nickdl

      Except for the fact that the medium sedan market is as stale as it has ever been. The second best after the Camry was the Mazda 6 with around 450 sales (sedans would account for about 100 of those sales).

      You may as well take the Camry out of the mid-size sedan market on account for the huge majority of fleet sales, and the fact that it is as big as a Commodore or Falcon. You may as well buy a Commodore over a mid-zize sedan: a Commodore is certainly less boring, has a lot more room and performance, and yet isn’t that much more thirsty.

  • Snoop

    I’m just wondering. If ALL bogans drive Falcons and Commodores. Who the hell are those people getting around in old Civics, Carolla’s, Mirage’s etc. With crappy after market bodykits, lights and exhausts you could fit your head in?
    Surely something’s going on there.

    • Phil

      Wogs?

  • David

    I’m making this post because I don’t think 254 comments does this article justice. It needs way way more.

  • Jacob

    How about a state by state breakdown?

    Mining states vs Victoria.

  • http://SAFARI COME ON

    Come on CA get those traitorous and stupid idiots like bangel off !! I want a little substance to read not crap !

    • Golfschwein

      Substance? Try the ABC.

  • F1MotoGP

    Nice to see every months the top selling car list but I would like to see is Top 10 list of private buyers list!!
    Anybody got such a list or this is a to secret.

    Anyway here is the Top 10 list from Germany Sep 2011

    Private buyers
    1 VW Golf
    2 Mercedes A class
    3 VW Polo
    4 Mercedes C class
    5 VW Tiguan
    6 Skoda Fabia
    7 Opel Astra
    8 Nissan Dualis
    9 Opel Corsa
    10 VW Touran

    and overal Top 10
    1 VW Golf/Plus/Jetta
    2 VW Passat
    3 Mercedes C-Klasse
    4 Mercedes A-Klasse
    5 Opel Corsa
    6 VW Polo
    7 Opel Astra
    8 Audi A4
    9 Ford Focus
    10 VW Touran

    • Bangel

      Thanks F1 always appreciate your stats , no BMW in top 10 surprises me .

      • F1MotoGP

        Here is the overall list from 11 to 20

        11 Mercedes E-Klasse
        12 BMW 5er
        13 Ford Fiesta
        14 Skoda Fabia
        15 Skoda Octavia
        16 BMW 3er
        17 VW Tiguan
        18 Mini
        19 Audi A3
        20 Audi A6, A7

    • Dave S

      Nice that Germans support their local car industry. Now why dont Aussies do that?

  • Bob Brown

    I love my Golf so do all my boy friends Phil, Bangel, Golfschwein especially the roominess of the back seat.

  • anthony

    Can we PLEASE have the listing of all manufacturers in Australia listed,as in previous months ASAP.

    Thank you in anticipation…

    • F1MotoGP

      I got some info for you.

      Top ten makes September 2011:

      1 Toyota 17,378
      2 Holden 11,008
      3 Ford 8141
      4 Hyundai 7508
      5 Mazda 6037
      6 Nissan 5892
      7 Mitsubishi 4798
      8 Volkswagen 4407
      9 Subaru 2503
      10 Kia 2222

  • Glen

    I have had 14 cars so far. The least reliable was a Commodore and the most reliable is a VW Golf.

  • jay

    as an ex panel beater I would not touch a vw product if it was given to me crap and I mean crap electricals and post that said they don,t rust made a fortune out of rusty vw’s same goes for Audi buy a Toyota a be happy.

  • notatoy

    Can someone provide the breakups of the Golf. 1.2T, 1.4T etc?