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	<title>Comments on: Hyundai-Kia now one of the top five manufacturers</title>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t realize this was an australian site but anyways hyundai is releasing the new hyundai genesis coupe in the US in early spring 2009. RWD, 300+ hp and under $30k. Very stylish and sleek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t realize this was an australian site but anyways hyundai is releasing the new hyundai genesis coupe in the US in early spring 2009. RWD, 300+ hp and under $30k. Very stylish and sleek.</p>
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		<title>By: Mistertwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mistertwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you know the fastest car in the world is a rental car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you know the fastest car in the world is a rental car.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlr1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah yes, ex rental cars. Pristine, low km cars, well maintained, only driven by 300 different drivers in the last eighteen months. Yes I see your point, why pay the same for a well maintained one owner/driver vehicle when you can have something driven and respected by nobody.

And FYI, an ex gov or private late 06 or early 07 corolla auto hatch does bring around 16K at auction in Sydney at the moment. Yes, at auction, not retail, not ex rental!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah yes, ex rental cars. Pristine, low km cars, well maintained, only driven by 300 different drivers in the last eighteen months. Yes I see your point, why pay the same for a well maintained one owner/driver vehicle when you can have something driven and respected by nobody.</p>
<p>And FYI, an ex gov or private late 06 or early 07 corolla auto hatch does bring around 16K at auction in Sydney at the moment. Yes, at auction, not retail, not ex rental!</p>
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		<title>By: Neo Utopia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neo Utopia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I didn&#039;t think Volkswagen was so high up in the list, I thought they would be about 6th on the list.  I think if Volkswagen could increase their reliability to near Toyota&#039;s/Honda&#039;s/Subaru&#039;s/Mazda&#039;s standard then I think they have would then have a wining formula.  As for Hyundai, if they continue to use german engineers and designers to help them along their way of world vehicle domination as well as inventing a unique Korean car design language to be more individual (which I think they are starting to now) then I think they just might topple Toyota within a decade.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I didn&#8217;t think Volkswagen was so high up in the list, I thought they would be about 6th on the list.  I think if Volkswagen could increase their reliability to near Toyota&#8217;s/Honda&#8217;s/Subaru&#8217;s/Mazda&#8217;s standard then I think they have would then have a wining formula.  As for Hyundai, if they continue to use german engineers and designers to help them along their way of world vehicle domination as well as inventing a unique Korean car design language to be more individual (which I think they are starting to now) then I think they just might topple Toyota within a decade.</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLR1 if u think a dealer will give u a trade price equivalent to the price Hertz wants for an ex rental u are dreaming!!!

Hertz on sell the duds through action and only retail the top examples which are as good as any other used car in my opinion. these cars are pristine with 30klms or less.

Many near new cars at your local Toyota or Ford dealer ARE ex rental/fleet anyway although they will not tell u this.

The more u pay for a new car the more u will loose at trade in time regardless of make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLR1 if u think a dealer will give u a trade price equivalent to the price Hertz wants for an ex rental u are dreaming!!!</p>
<p>Hertz on sell the duds through action and only retail the top examples which are as good as any other used car in my opinion. these cars are pristine with 30klms or less.</p>
<p>Many near new cars at your local Toyota or Ford dealer ARE ex rental/fleet anyway although they will not tell u this.</p>
<p>The more u pay for a new car the more u will loose at trade in time regardless of make.</p>
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		<title>By: Skybreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skybreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realcars, yes you are correct, don&#039;t always believe dealers - do your own homework and work out what is right for you.
A favourable opinion in the public could be due to good marketing as much as good engineering.
If Hyundai are now in the top 5 manufacturers they are obviously doing something right.

As for me, my personal experience with Toyota was very good, and my friends who owned Hyundai&#039;s both had problems.
Maybe that was just the luck of the draw...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realcars, yes you are correct, don&#8217;t always believe dealers &#8211; do your own homework and work out what is right for you.<br />
A favourable opinion in the public could be due to good marketing as much as good engineering.<br />
If Hyundai are now in the top 5 manufacturers they are obviously doing something right.</p>
<p>As for me, my personal experience with Toyota was very good, and my friends who owned Hyundai&#8217;s both had problems.<br />
Maybe that was just the luck of the draw&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dlr1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 05:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Realcars, ex rentals always sell at a &quot;discount&quot; compared to the rest of the market, so the average punter should achieve this as a minimum, probably more. And yes, you can only really compare resales as a percentage of their original price, not the actual dollar amounts. And generally corolla and mazda3 resales are at the top of their class. As for the i30, well time will tell, but it does look more promising than any previous small Hyundais.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Realcars, ex rentals always sell at a &#8220;discount&#8221; compared to the rest of the market, so the average punter should achieve this as a minimum, probably more. And yes, you can only really compare resales as a percentage of their original price, not the actual dollar amounts. And generally corolla and mazda3 resales are at the top of their class. As for the i30, well time will tell, but it does look more promising than any previous small Hyundais.</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Skybreak and the Corolla is nearly double the price.

Down the road Hertz have ex rental Corollas with 30,000klms for 16k or less and they are immaculate and less than 18mnths old and current series.Approx 25k new.
If this is the case what would a punter get as a trade for a similiar Corolla? 12-13k?

Great resale Skybreak. toyota have always championed this resale thing but as u can see it is a fallacy.

If u are worried about resale don&#039;t buy a new car.
Make doesn&#039;t make a big difference these days despite what Toyota dealers would have u believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Skybreak and the Corolla is nearly double the price.</p>
<p>Down the road Hertz have ex rental Corollas with 30,000klms for 16k or less and they are immaculate and less than 18mnths old and current series.Approx 25k new.<br />
If this is the case what would a punter get as a trade for a similiar Corolla? 12-13k?</p>
<p>Great resale Skybreak. toyota have always championed this resale thing but as u can see it is a fallacy.</p>
<p>If u are worried about resale don&#8217;t buy a new car.<br />
Make doesn&#8217;t make a big difference these days despite what Toyota dealers would have u believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Skybreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skybreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hows the resale value of a 3 year old Corolla compared to a 3 y/o Accent?

Man I&#039;d love Toyota to sell fast/fun cars again.
Hell, another Collora with the 141Kw Celica engine would be an awsome start. I&#039;d buy one.

As boring as Toyotas are, right now I&#039;d still get a Collora over an i30 everytime. 
When Hyundai get the build quality and resale values up to Toyota levels then I will consider buying one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hows the resale value of a 3 year old Corolla compared to a 3 y/o Accent?</p>
<p>Man I&#8217;d love Toyota to sell fast/fun cars again.<br />
Hell, another Collora with the 141Kw Celica engine would be an awsome start. I&#8217;d buy one.</p>
<p>As boring as Toyotas are, right now I&#8217;d still get a Collora over an i30 everytime.<br />
When Hyundai get the build quality and resale values up to Toyota levels then I will consider buying one.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlr1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reckless1,
That would seem to be the case, however under Australian Design Rules both are in the same category. &quot;Light Goods Vehicle under 3.5 tonne GVM&quot; It doesn&#039;t make any difference under these regulations whether its a van or cab chassis ect. 

If the GVM of the K2700 was over 3.5 it would then be in a different class with different regulations, but its not. So that doesn&#039;t explain why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reckless1,<br />
That would seem to be the case, however under Australian Design Rules both are in the same category. &#8220;Light Goods Vehicle under 3.5 tonne GVM&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t make any difference under these regulations whether its a van or cab chassis ect. </p>
<p>If the GVM of the K2700 was over 3.5 it would then be in a different class with different regulations, but its not. So that doesn&#8217;t explain why.</p>
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		<title>By: Reckless1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reckless1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dlr1, it&#039;s easy to understand.

The K277 is a truck, the Pregio a van.

Different class of vehicle, different emission regulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dlr1, it&#8217;s easy to understand.</p>
<p>The K277 is a truck, the Pregio a van.</p>
<p>Different class of vehicle, different emission regulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;With global sales of 3,961,629, Hyundai-Kia has shot up six places in just eight years, according to Automotive News&#039; 2008 Global Data Book published for days ago? WHAT? Oh my God. That&#039;s a preety good thing. Congratulations boys. I&#039;m not a big fan of Hyunday-Kia, but...anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;With global sales of 3,961,629, Hyundai-Kia has shot up six places in just eight years, according to Automotive News&#8217; 2008 Global Data Book published for days ago? WHAT? Oh my God. That&#8217;s a preety good thing. Congratulations boys. I&#8217;m not a big fan of Hyunday-Kia, but&#8230;anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Dlr1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dlr1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one thing with the Kia Pregio I still don&#039;t quite understand is how the Kia K2700 with the same 2.7 diesel as the Pregio remained on the market after Jan 2006, while the Pregio was dropped for not meeting emissions regulations. The K2700 continued until the last few months when replace by a new 2.9 Turbo Diesel model. Go figure...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing with the Kia Pregio I still don&#8217;t quite understand is how the Kia K2700 with the same 2.7 diesel as the Pregio remained on the market after Jan 2006, while the Pregio was dropped for not meeting emissions regulations. The K2700 continued until the last few months when replace by a new 2.9 Turbo Diesel model. Go figure&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal One</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal One</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 07:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RECKLESS1-

Correct, the Pregio [of which i drove one for 12 months] did not meet emissions levels req.

Its still sold in some Asian countries, no longer made in Korea but in Malaysia.

It sold thanks to ONE reason....PRICE!

Cheers

F-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RECKLESS1-</p>
<p>Correct, the Pregio [of which i drove one for 12 months] did not meet emissions levels req.</p>
<p>Its still sold in some Asian countries, no longer made in Korea but in Malaysia.</p>
<p>It sold thanks to ONE reason&#8230;.PRICE!</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>F-0</p>
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		<title>By: Joober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats to Hyundai-Kia, from what I read/heard they follow the same business strategy/model as Toyota with more economy in mind so its only fair that they will bunnyhop those whom Toyota has.

Though Toyota also predicted Hyundai have been a growing threat because of this same business model they follow and their rise in the industry, and in years to come it will be a massive tug of war, especially when cars are starting to move away from petrol...

I will estimate in 3 years Kia-Hyundai will be 2nd place, especially if they build around economy.

These are exciting times!...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats to Hyundai-Kia, from what I read/heard they follow the same business strategy/model as Toyota with more economy in mind so its only fair that they will bunnyhop those whom Toyota has.</p>
<p>Though Toyota also predicted Hyundai have been a growing threat because of this same business model they follow and their rise in the industry, and in years to come it will be a massive tug of war, especially when cars are starting to move away from petrol&#8230;</p>
<p>I will estimate in 3 years Kia-Hyundai will be 2nd place, especially if they build around economy.</p>
<p>These are exciting times!&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: cameron</title>
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		<dc:creator>cameron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh yes Golfschwein my Marquis was showing instead of Marque ty for pointing that out. I assumed the spelling was correct when it had no red spell check underline! So right spelling, wrong word. I must say I see typos constantly here. I just bite my tongue as it would appear I&#039;m in a glass house :o).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh yes Golfschwein my Marquis was showing instead of Marque ty for pointing that out. I assumed the spelling was correct when it had no red spell check underline! So right spelling, wrong word. I must say I see typos constantly here. I just bite my tongue as it would appear I&#8217;m in a glass house :o).</p>
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		<title>By: booter</title>
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		<dc:creator>booter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>zool - no one is saying huyandai/kia dont make decent cars these days, they are good cars.  but when you compare them to their european rivals they just arent as good.  

its simply you get what you pay for, and the koreans are doing a great job of making good cars that are still cheap, pay more and get all the superior elements of a european car, pay less and you get a daewoo/holden that is still an okay car, but its obvious it was built around lowest cost possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zool &#8211; no one is saying huyandai/kia dont make decent cars these days, they are good cars.  but when you compare them to their european rivals they just arent as good.  </p>
<p>its simply you get what you pay for, and the koreans are doing a great job of making good cars that are still cheap, pay more and get all the superior elements of a european car, pay less and you get a daewoo/holden that is still an okay car, but its obvious it was built around lowest cost possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Reckless1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reckless1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 03:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting to contemplate the recently mooted GM Chrysler merger.

That would see GM at the top with 11.5 mill, well clear of the pack.  Would be even more likely to implode, though :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting to contemplate the recently mooted GM Chrysler merger.</p>
<p>That would see GM at the top with 11.5 mill, well clear of the pack.  Would be even more likely to implode, though :)</p>
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		<title>By: Reckless1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reckless1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;dont forget what toyota did to Kia’s very popular Van……..
toyota bought it out!!!! &quot;


Huh?  I must have been asleep when that announcement was made.

My understanding was that the Pregio left our shores due to the diesel not meeting emissions levels any more, just like the Nissan and Toyota 4.2 diesels.  And probably a few others as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;dont forget what toyota did to Kia’s very popular Van……..<br />
toyota bought it out!!!! &#8221;</p>
<p>Huh?  I must have been asleep when that announcement was made.</p>
<p>My understanding was that the Pregio left our shores due to the diesel not meeting emissions levels any more, just like the Nissan and Toyota 4.2 diesels.  And probably a few others as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 02:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Golfie,
even though ford is the controlling stake in mazda, they cant count mazda sales as they own less than 50%.

that same rule is what saw GM have to exclude some of their other companies sales, hence giving toyota the sales lead for the first time 

mazdas figure for 2007 was 1.3 million</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Golfie,<br />
even though ford is the controlling stake in mazda, they cant count mazda sales as they own less than 50%.</p>
<p>that same rule is what saw GM have to exclude some of their other companies sales, hence giving toyota the sales lead for the first time </p>
<p>mazdas figure for 2007 was 1.3 million</p>
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