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	<title>Comments on: Fuel price tops $2.00 per litre</title>
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		<title>By: Minnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 03:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep lazybones, the tax will be added in 2010 at 2.5c/L adding another 2.5c/L each year to a maximum of 12.5c/L over 5 years. So its not too bad. Imagine what petrol prices will be in 7 years time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep lazybones, the tax will be added in 2010 at 2.5c/L adding another 2.5c/L each year to a maximum of 12.5c/L over 5 years. So its not too bad. Imagine what petrol prices will be in 7 years time.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 02:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lazybones...yes i considered depreciation that&#039;s why i didn&#039;t buy a new one, i bought one with 16,000Ks and 10 months old for 25 grand so the worst depreciation was payed by the previous owner and from now on the Falcon and Yaris will depreciate similarly.....anyway my back pain has no price and the Yaris has such a harsh ride compared to the falcon that no amount of depreciation can sour the joy driving it!!

Also the Falcon is cheaper to service than the Yaris and every 15,000Ks the Yaris was every 10,000Ks but obviously the tyres will cost a bit more but like i said not needing a chiropractor anymore is priceless...LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lazybones&#8230;yes i considered depreciation that&#8217;s why i didn&#8217;t buy a new one, i bought one with 16,000Ks and 10 months old for 25 grand so the worst depreciation was payed by the previous owner and from now on the Falcon and Yaris will depreciate similarly&#8230;..anyway my back pain has no price and the Yaris has such a harsh ride compared to the falcon that no amount of depreciation can sour the joy driving it!!</p>
<p>Also the Falcon is cheaper to service than the Yaris and every 15,000Ks the Yaris was every 10,000Ks but obviously the tyres will cost a bit more but like i said not needing a chiropractor anymore is priceless&#8230;LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Lazybones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lazybones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 23:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hmm anyone noticed less stories of Hoons on the news? Fuel Prices are working!!!&quot;

I just said exactly that last night to my partner!

&quot;Falcon LPG wagon and my fuel bills are 2 dollars per 100k’s cheaper in the city than the Yaris and 4 dollars every 100/Ks cheaper on the highway&quot; 

I&#039;ve never heard an E Gas Falcon owner complain about fuel consumption, my mate just got one and also raves about it. But you do need to consider depreciation when comparing running costs of your Yaris vs Falcon and also the duty on LPG starts in 2010. 

So its soon time for Bio-LPG based on methane, The kit will come with a pre packaged curry, some garden hose and you to o will be able to run a Falcon for free!! All men know, theres at least 500MJ on free energy just going to waste each day :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hmm anyone noticed less stories of Hoons on the news? Fuel Prices are working!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>I just said exactly that last night to my partner!</p>
<p>&#8220;Falcon LPG wagon and my fuel bills are 2 dollars per 100k’s cheaper in the city than the Yaris and 4 dollars every 100/Ks cheaper on the highway&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard an E Gas Falcon owner complain about fuel consumption, my mate just got one and also raves about it. But you do need to consider depreciation when comparing running costs of your Yaris vs Falcon and also the duty on LPG starts in 2010. </p>
<p>So its soon time for Bio-LPG based on methane, The kit will come with a pre packaged curry, some garden hose and you to o will be able to run a Falcon for free!! All men know, theres at least 500MJ on free energy just going to waste each day <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Genie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Genie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 22:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up in rural tassie and I remember that petrol there broke through $1 a litre about a year earlier than the mainland, so it was grimly amusing to hear on the news sydney people going crazy over petrol passing $1 a litre and the woe and misery of it all when it was old news to us. I can only imagine that it would be same now for rural communities.

The only real light at the end of the tunnel is that petrol and diesel prices will eventually have to plateu, as alternative methods of production become sufficiently profitable to entice oil companies to switch methodology of oil production. Mainly things like algae-based bio-diesel production. 

Though everyone smashes the oil companies and OPEC specifically for the price of oil, remember OPEC sell their oil on the free market, and the free market sets the price. Where OPEC can and do screw people is by setting production levels, if they want prices to go up, simply produce less and people will have to pay more to get the smaller amounts of oil on the market.

A large part of the increase in oil prices comes from market speculators and future fund firms. Its because of these groups that when there is say grumblings over Libya&#039;s goat market the price of oil goes up $5. They profit from increasing price of oil, as they buy oil at todays lower price, and then sell to large companies and industry future contracts whereby they&#039;ll say &#039;for the next 6 months I&#039;ll sell you oil for $150 a barrel&#039;, even though the current price may be $145. Industry like this because its makes their business bottom line less volatile. The effect is that large amounts of oil and removed from the market at above the going price, which forces prices upward as there is less oil available. So the price of oil is artificially increased beyond what normal supply and demand mechanisms would allow.

So are they solely responsible for oil prices increases? No, not even close. Its a combined affect of rising cost of oil production combined with artificial increases due to future funds and market speculators, and OPECs interest in future preservation. OPEC knows it has limited oil, so its in their interest to keep production low enough to maximise their viable duration of their supplies but high enough to not cause the price to go up so much that their is a mass market shift against oil. 

Unfortunately for us, the interests of market speculators, future funds and OPEC clash directly with our interests as both an industrial country, and as motorists.

As some market watcher put it, if you think that infinite growth in a finite world is sustainable, then you&#039;re crazy. The solution is to find a source of energy that is much closer to infinite than our very finite amounts of oil in the ground. When all those methods become more profitable compared to current oil production methods, then thats where the price of energy and oil will plateu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in rural tassie and I remember that petrol there broke through $1 a litre about a year earlier than the mainland, so it was grimly amusing to hear on the news sydney people going crazy over petrol passing $1 a litre and the woe and misery of it all when it was old news to us. I can only imagine that it would be same now for rural communities.</p>
<p>The only real light at the end of the tunnel is that petrol and diesel prices will eventually have to plateu, as alternative methods of production become sufficiently profitable to entice oil companies to switch methodology of oil production. Mainly things like algae-based bio-diesel production. </p>
<p>Though everyone smashes the oil companies and OPEC specifically for the price of oil, remember OPEC sell their oil on the free market, and the free market sets the price. Where OPEC can and do screw people is by setting production levels, if they want prices to go up, simply produce less and people will have to pay more to get the smaller amounts of oil on the market.</p>
<p>A large part of the increase in oil prices comes from market speculators and future fund firms. Its because of these groups that when there is say grumblings over Libya&#8217;s goat market the price of oil goes up $5. They profit from increasing price of oil, as they buy oil at todays lower price, and then sell to large companies and industry future contracts whereby they&#8217;ll say &#8216;for the next 6 months I&#8217;ll sell you oil for $150 a barrel&#8217;, even though the current price may be $145. Industry like this because its makes their business bottom line less volatile. The effect is that large amounts of oil and removed from the market at above the going price, which forces prices upward as there is less oil available. So the price of oil is artificially increased beyond what normal supply and demand mechanisms would allow.</p>
<p>So are they solely responsible for oil prices increases? No, not even close. Its a combined affect of rising cost of oil production combined with artificial increases due to future funds and market speculators, and OPECs interest in future preservation. OPEC knows it has limited oil, so its in their interest to keep production low enough to maximise their viable duration of their supplies but high enough to not cause the price to go up so much that their is a mass market shift against oil. </p>
<p>Unfortunately for us, the interests of market speculators, future funds and OPEC clash directly with our interests as both an industrial country, and as motorists.</p>
<p>As some market watcher put it, if you think that infinite growth in a finite world is sustainable, then you&#8217;re crazy. The solution is to find a source of energy that is much closer to infinite than our very finite amounts of oil in the ground. When all those methods become more profitable compared to current oil production methods, then thats where the price of energy and oil will plateu.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minnow, i&#039;ve been paying 64.7 at my local inner city independent but the other day i had to got to Liverpool and found it at Bass hill for 56.9 so i obviously filled up.....at that price it&#039;s cheaper to run than Matiz!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minnow, i&#8217;ve been paying 64.7 at my local inner city independent but the other day i had to got to Liverpool and found it at Bass hill for 56.9 so i obviously filled up&#8230;..at that price it&#8217;s cheaper to run than Matiz!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Minnow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Carl, Its very easy to achieve 8L/100 or less if your really being mindful of fuel consumption in an E-Gas falcon. Not to mention an E-Gas falcon has a lot more power than a Yaris. I paid 59.9/L yesterday!! how awesome is that?!

Hmm anyone noticed less stories of Hoons on the news? Fuel Prices are working!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Carl, Its very easy to achieve 8L/100 or less if your really being mindful of fuel consumption in an E-Gas falcon. Not to mention an E-Gas falcon has a lot more power than a Yaris. I paid 59.9/L yesterday!! how awesome is that?!</p>
<p>Hmm anyone noticed less stories of Hoons on the news? Fuel Prices are working!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A dead set joke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A dead set joke</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That Yaris was one thirsty, uncomfortable ***************!

I never managed to get even close to the claimed fuel consumption figures....as for the Ford i manage to get the claimed figure constantly!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Yaris was one thirsty, uncomfortable ***************!</p>
<p>I never managed to get even close to the claimed fuel consumption figures&#8230;.as for the Ford i manage to get the claimed figure constantly!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi No Name.....My real world experience is that i changed a 2006 1.5 Yaris Auto for a 2007 4.0 Falcon LPG wagon and my fuel bills are 2 dollars per 100k&#039;s cheaper in the city than the Yaris and 4 dollars every 100/Ks cheaper on the highway, also the Falcon is so much more comfortable to drive for a big bloke like me!!! and it has so much room as i have a disabled son and the wheel chair would only fit with the back seats down in the Yaris.....so for people that &quot;need&quot; big cars, LPG is like a god send!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi No Name&#8230;..My real world experience is that i changed a 2006 1.5 Yaris Auto for a 2007 4.0 Falcon LPG wagon and my fuel bills are 2 dollars per 100k&#8217;s cheaper in the city than the Yaris and 4 dollars every 100/Ks cheaper on the highway, also the Falcon is so much more comfortable to drive for a big bloke like me!!! and it has so much room as i have a disabled son and the wheel chair would only fit with the back seats down in the Yaris&#8230;..so for people that &#8220;need&#8221; big cars, LPG is like a god send!</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hans - that 70c/litre for LPG cost more relatively as you&#039;ll only go 60%(??) of the distance on LPG than petrol. therefore your LPG cost the equivilent of about $1.16/litre taking the distance you can go on it into account.
Just noted LPG has 26.8MJ/litre; petrol (regular) 34.8MJ/Litre and diesel has 38.6MJ/litre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hans &#8211; that 70c/litre for LPG cost more relatively as you&#8217;ll only go 60%(??) of the distance on LPG than petrol. therefore your LPG cost the equivilent of about $1.16/litre taking the distance you can go on it into account.<br />
Just noted LPG has 26.8MJ/litre; petrol (regular) 34.8MJ/Litre and diesel has 38.6MJ/litre.</p>
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