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		<title>By: Luke GT</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/14090/toyota-australia-reports-all-time-record-sales/#comment-82369</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke GT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut - &#039;IF&#039; Toyota decides to go to the negotiating table and possibly offer the Aurion as a competitor in AWD platfrom then naturally they will offer it as an AWD package in TRD disguise but retain FWD in regular Toyota offerings.

These and no-doubt a whole range of issues will have to be considered, researched, discussed and negotiated when deciding on the future direction of V8SC and of course Toyota&#039;s intentions in Australian Motorsport considering they already have considerable investment in F1, NASCAR and Japanese Motorsport and ofcourse supporting facets such as TRD Australia&#039;s current commitments such as ARC, Drag Racing, Drift and the Off-Road Championship (buggies) baring in mind this excludes the various other minor events Toyota participates in America, Asia and Europe.  

This is what i mean it will be intersting to see how events unfold. 

Then again - Toyota may not even consider further development of the Aurion and challenge CAMS / AVESCO to enter the RWD 5.0 V8 IS-F instead which already applies to many requirements albiet locally manufactuered. 

Actually, considering Ford sells a 5.4 v8 and Holden a 6.0 and 6.2 (HSV) V8 on the market, in some respects the IS-F satisfies more requirements then Holden and Ford currently do ... worth extra thought !!  

This is a single example of many loop holes that can be easily challenged and exploited !!

I guess we will have to wait and see what is agreed upon and decided as future momentum. Don&#039;t forget that any possible Toyota entry in V8SC will have to be considered if it will bring any real life benefits considering the global recognition of it&#039;s participation in F1 and NASCAR ... !!

Make no mistake of it ... Toyota could easily develope and support a highly competitive and winning racing package in the V8SC but much of it simply depends if it moulds with Toyota&#039;s current interests / commitments. 

At the end of the day - it&#039;s about business, investment and returns.

Interesting times indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut &#8211; &#8216;IF&#8217; Toyota decides to go to the negotiating table and possibly offer the Aurion as a competitor in AWD platfrom then naturally they will offer it as an AWD package in TRD disguise but retain FWD in regular Toyota offerings.</p>
<p>These and no-doubt a whole range of issues will have to be considered, researched, discussed and negotiated when deciding on the future direction of V8SC and of course Toyota&#8217;s intentions in Australian Motorsport considering they already have considerable investment in F1, NASCAR and Japanese Motorsport and ofcourse supporting facets such as TRD Australia&#8217;s current commitments such as ARC, Drag Racing, Drift and the Off-Road Championship (buggies) baring in mind this excludes the various other minor events Toyota participates in America, Asia and Europe.  </p>
<p>This is what i mean it will be intersting to see how events unfold. </p>
<p>Then again &#8211; Toyota may not even consider further development of the Aurion and challenge CAMS / AVESCO to enter the RWD 5.0 V8 IS-F instead which already applies to many requirements albiet locally manufactuered. </p>
<p>Actually, considering Ford sells a 5.4 v8 and Holden a 6.0 and 6.2 (HSV) V8 on the market, in some respects the IS-F satisfies more requirements then Holden and Ford currently do &#8230; worth extra thought !!  </p>
<p>This is a single example of many loop holes that can be easily challenged and exploited !!</p>
<p>I guess we will have to wait and see what is agreed upon and decided as future momentum. Don&#8217;t forget that any possible Toyota entry in V8SC will have to be considered if it will bring any real life benefits considering the global recognition of it&#8217;s participation in F1 and NASCAR &#8230; !!</p>
<p>Make no mistake of it &#8230; Toyota could easily develope and support a highly competitive and winning racing package in the V8SC but much of it simply depends if it moulds with Toyota&#8217;s current interests / commitments. </p>
<p>At the end of the day &#8211; it&#8217;s about business, investment and returns.</p>
<p>Interesting times indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Boy Wonder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boy Wonder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That;&#039;s right Production Car Racing does exist.... 

Just because Toyota don&#039;t have a [factory backed] team competing in it doesn&#039;t; mean it ceases to exist!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That;&#8217;s right Production Car Racing does exist&#8230;. </p>
<p>Just because Toyota don&#8217;t have a [factory backed] team competing in it doesn&#8217;t; mean it ceases to exist!!</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said FWD Aurion not AWD because I think that one of the criteria will be the cars will have to use the same platform/layout as the production car So unless Toyota are planning to put an AWD into  production I can&#039;t see it being able to compete as one of AVESCOs main aims is to share components inorder to reduce costs 

When Tom Phillips was CEO at Mitsubishi he wanted to make the New 380 RWD; so they could compete in the V8 Supercars but Tokyo was  adamant that it was going to be based on the USA Galant which is FWD as they wanted to reduce costs... who knows If they had said Yes Mitsubishi might still be in Oz.

I can&#039;t see it happening because of the costs ivolved in engineering and modifying the platform from one car to fit another to make an over engineered one off prototype racer. However; If Toyota do make an AWD Aurion the next logical step would be to offer a RWD Aution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said FWD Aurion not AWD because I think that one of the criteria will be the cars will have to use the same platform/layout as the production car So unless Toyota are planning to put an AWD into  production I can&#8217;t see it being able to compete as one of AVESCOs main aims is to share components inorder to reduce costs </p>
<p>When Tom Phillips was CEO at Mitsubishi he wanted to make the New 380 RWD; so they could compete in the V8 Supercars but Tokyo was  adamant that it was going to be based on the USA Galant which is FWD as they wanted to reduce costs&#8230; who knows If they had said Yes Mitsubishi might still be in Oz.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see it happening because of the costs ivolved in engineering and modifying the platform from one car to fit another to make an over engineered one off prototype racer. However; If Toyota do make an AWD Aurion the next logical step would be to offer a RWD Aution</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dingo; there is a saying among car enthusiasts and street machiners that is &quot;POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL &quot;

What that means is you may have car with an engine capable of producing 620BHP yet it depends on how efficiently and effectively that power is transferred to the road..its a very fine balance

I very much doubt that a Fully Blown [FWD] Aurion could handle double the power it has already without something giving way/breaking.

I mean when you look at Merc-Benz; BMW; Audi; Porsche; Aston-Martin Ferrari Lamborghini; Konnigsiegg etc....
how many FWD cars do they have that are capable of producing the same amount of power/speed as a V8 Supercar. None they&#039;re either RWD or AWD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dingo; there is a saying among car enthusiasts and street machiners that is &#8220;POWER IS NOTHING WITHOUT CONTROL &#8221;</p>
<p>What that means is you may have car with an engine capable of producing 620BHP yet it depends on how efficiently and effectively that power is transferred to the road..its a very fine balance</p>
<p>I very much doubt that a Fully Blown [FWD] Aurion could handle double the power it has already without something giving way/breaking.</p>
<p>I mean when you look at Merc-Benz; BMW; Audi; Porsche; Aston-Martin Ferrari Lamborghini; Konnigsiegg etc&#8230;.<br />
how many FWD cars do they have that are capable of producing the same amount of power/speed as a V8 Supercar. None they&#8217;re either RWD or AWD</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 06:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dingo what you are illuding to is a category where there are a wide range of manufacturers racing various models of cars similar to those in the showrooms. A category where V8 Lexii compete against M3s WRXs and Clubsports etc 
FYI a category like that already exists its called PRODUCTION CAR RACING.

Its rather interesting because apart from the overall winner there are sub categories for each individual class of car depending its layout; engine capacity or body style be it FWD/AWD/RWD - Hatch/Sedan/Coupe etc

ATM there are a few major manufacturers involved in Production Car Racing such as Ferrari who will also fight to protect their interests as I don&#039;t think they wouldn&#039;t want a second Production Car Competiton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dingo what you are illuding to is a category where there are a wide range of manufacturers racing various models of cars similar to those in the showrooms. A category where V8 Lexii compete against M3s WRXs and Clubsports etc<br />
FYI a category like that already exists its called PRODUCTION CAR RACING.</p>
<p>Its rather interesting because apart from the overall winner there are sub categories for each individual class of car depending its layout; engine capacity or body style be it FWD/AWD/RWD &#8211; Hatch/Sedan/Coupe etc</p>
<p>ATM there are a few major manufacturers involved in Production Car Racing such as Ferrari who will also fight to protect their interests as I don&#8217;t think they wouldn&#8217;t want a second Production Car Competiton</p>
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		<title>By: Luke GT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke GT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 02:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut - will be interesting to see how V8SC evolve over the coming years and all anyone can do is speculate &#039;what may&#039; or &#039;may not&#039; happen.

As for regulation change, it is every possibility they could just as well be more involved then anticipated becuase any other manufactuer who comes to the negotiating table wil be there with thier own interest as a priority and i can tell you now - companies like Toyota, Nissan or any other will not go with Holden or Ford components ... PERIOD !!

If particular components are to be shared to reduce costs then the chances are, they will have to be developed by a mutual organisation that is not a car manufactuer. 

Personally, i believe outside interests will pressure to allow thier own platforms to be used which coincidently will assist Holden and Ford aswell becuase it means they will not be restricted to thier current platforms. For example, Ford and GM have an array of perfromance vehicles in thier global intenary and with less restricted regulations will allow them greater oppurtunites to evolve. 

But, it also allows others to bring thier arsenal to the track and this myfriend would be the single most worrying thought with CAMS/AVESCO and the Blue &amp; Red brigade.

At the end of the day, any other manufactuer who may express interest in what is currently known as V8SC, will simply &#039;get up and leave&#039; if they are not satisfied that thier own interests are catered satisfactory.  

Is this worrying times for Holden and Ford in Australian Motorsport ... ABSOLUTELY !!

Can you image a Nissan GTR, BMW M3, Lexus IS-F or even a fully blown race spec V6 AWD Aurion blast in the circuits -incrediable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut &#8211; will be interesting to see how V8SC evolve over the coming years and all anyone can do is speculate &#8216;what may&#8217; or &#8216;may not&#8217; happen.</p>
<p>As for regulation change, it is every possibility they could just as well be more involved then anticipated becuase any other manufactuer who comes to the negotiating table wil be there with thier own interest as a priority and i can tell you now &#8211; companies like Toyota, Nissan or any other will not go with Holden or Ford components &#8230; PERIOD !!</p>
<p>If particular components are to be shared to reduce costs then the chances are, they will have to be developed by a mutual organisation that is not a car manufactuer. </p>
<p>Personally, i believe outside interests will pressure to allow thier own platforms to be used which coincidently will assist Holden and Ford aswell becuase it means they will not be restricted to thier current platforms. For example, Ford and GM have an array of perfromance vehicles in thier global intenary and with less restricted regulations will allow them greater oppurtunites to evolve. </p>
<p>But, it also allows others to bring thier arsenal to the track and this myfriend would be the single most worrying thought with CAMS/AVESCO and the Blue &amp; Red brigade.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, any other manufactuer who may express interest in what is currently known as V8SC, will simply &#8216;get up and leave&#8217; if they are not satisfied that thier own interests are catered satisfactory.  </p>
<p>Is this worrying times for Holden and Ford in Australian Motorsport &#8230; ABSOLUTELY !!</p>
<p>Can you image a Nissan GTR, BMW M3, Lexus IS-F or even a fully blown race spec V6 AWD Aurion blast in the circuits -incrediable.</p>
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		<title>By: Wheelnut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wheelnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit if AVESCO find that the category is starting to suffer then they might have to change the rules to allow cars form overseas to compete instead of just the locally built cars However as i said I doubt they will make completley new sweeping changes in relation to the rules and regulations I suspect if changes are made that the cars will still have to be RWD with either a V8 [or V6]engine capable of producing the same level of power as they do now 620Bhp etc. 

So don&#039;t think that if Toyota do compete in the best touring car competition in the world that they will have it all there own way

I mean the category operates under what is known as Project Blueprint whereby inorder to reduce costs the cars share various components. Therefore; it could well be that if Toyota do decide to compete they may have to use a Ford Diff or Holden suspension etc.... 

And project blueprint has resulted in the closest most competitive racing Australian motorsport fans have seen in years [30 odd cars covered by less than 7 seconds]

I know you like to think the GT-R was banned because of its dominance; which in a way is true it was a victim of its own success. 
Yet if you talk to Fred Gibson who was manager of Winfield Racing he will tell you that the costs involved in running the GT-Rs were almost too much for him.. 

Infact he has said that even if the GT-R was still able to compete he doubts that he would have continued raced them after 92 because of the costs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit if AVESCO find that the category is starting to suffer then they might have to change the rules to allow cars form overseas to compete instead of just the locally built cars However as i said I doubt they will make completley new sweeping changes in relation to the rules and regulations I suspect if changes are made that the cars will still have to be RWD with either a V8 [or V6]engine capable of producing the same level of power as they do now 620Bhp etc. </p>
<p>So don&#8217;t think that if Toyota do compete in the best touring car competition in the world that they will have it all there own way</p>
<p>I mean the category operates under what is known as Project Blueprint whereby inorder to reduce costs the cars share various components. Therefore; it could well be that if Toyota do decide to compete they may have to use a Ford Diff or Holden suspension etc&#8230;. </p>
<p>And project blueprint has resulted in the closest most competitive racing Australian motorsport fans have seen in years [30 odd cars covered by less than 7 seconds]</p>
<p>I know you like to think the GT-R was banned because of its dominance; which in a way is true it was a victim of its own success.<br />
Yet if you talk to Fred Gibson who was manager of Winfield Racing he will tell you that the costs involved in running the GT-Rs were almost too much for him.. </p>
<p>Infact he has said that even if the GT-R was still able to compete he doubts that he would have continued raced them after 92 because of the costs</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is my question Ford competes with Holden but how about the other japanese car companys like Honda,Mazda,Nissan or Mitsubishi are their any fans here who like this car brands and what do they think about Toyota this other car companys compete with Toyota it should be some one here like Honda fan saying something about Toyota since they compete in F1 or people who like other Japanese car brands other than Toyota just all good freinds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my question Ford competes with Holden but how about the other japanese car companys like Honda,Mazda,Nissan or Mitsubishi are their any fans here who like this car brands and what do they think about Toyota this other car companys compete with Toyota it should be some one here like Honda fan saying something about Toyota since they compete in F1 or people who like other Japanese car brands other than Toyota just all good freinds.</p>
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		<title>By: technofreak</title>
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		<dc:creator>technofreak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GM and Ford backed the wrong horse.....hehehehe. Sucked in, those white collars deserve to lose their jobs for making such narrow short-sighted decisions. :&#124;
More than 10years ago it was obvious that the auto industry (as well as energy industry) needed to move towards more efficient methods and products. But....hey ....while all the sheeple were still buying guzzlers why change eh?? After all its our god given right to all want to own a totally inefficient piece of crap just to appease our delicate ego.
Many smart engineers could see this but were often laughed at for their suggestions....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GM and Ford backed the wrong horse&#8230;..hehehehe. Sucked in, those white collars deserve to lose their jobs for making such narrow short-sighted decisions. <img src='http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
More than 10years ago it was obvious that the auto industry (as well as energy industry) needed to move towards more efficient methods and products. But&#8230;.hey &#8230;.while all the sheeple were still buying guzzlers why change eh?? After all its our god given right to all want to own a totally inefficient piece of crap just to appease our delicate ego.<br />
Many smart engineers could see this but were often laughed at for their suggestions&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 09:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would be worried if I were an Aurion owner. There&#039;s a lot of widebody Camrys out there needing a repower job. Tee Hee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would be worried if I were an Aurion owner. There&#8217;s a lot of widebody Camrys out there needing a repower job. Tee Hee.</p>
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