So yes, the GT-R V-spec will be a tarted up GT-R, but the GT-R V-spec starts from a much higher base. And as you can see from the prices, the GT-Rs more natural opposition is the ZO6.”

vette fans are downplaying the price differences

So yes, the GT-R V-spec will be a tarted up GT-R, but the GT-R V-spec starts from a much higher base. And as you can see from the prices, the GT-Rs more natural opposition is the ZO6. So if it\’s fair enough to wait for Chevrolet\’s reaction to the GT-R, I think it\’s more than fair to wait for Nissan\’s reaction to the ZR1.
Also, Tom, while the VR (not VQ) engine was based on experience gained from the VQ series of Nissan engines (possibly also another VR Le Man engine), it is clean sheet with 353 kilowatts – as opposed to the massive amount of 476 kw made by the ZR1 – it isn\’t a car, it is an engine on a light chassis. So, I would think that the fact that the GT-R was able to hold its own without ceramic brakes, with a 123 kilowatt shortfall, weighing an extra 220 kilos and being more than 30 grand less is the most amazing part really. Keep in mind this is base-model…

Alternatively, seeing how important it is to us all to be the fastest car around the Nurburgring, how bou\’t considering the Radical SR8 for $116,795 US – half the price difference of the GT-R and ZR1, but does the Nurburgring 30 seconds faster!

Realistically though, the V-spec will be faster – cars have been timed around the \’ring at 7:26 already; the Nissan engineers will be certain to up the anti now that the Chevy has been released. The Lexus LF-A has been clocked at 7:24 around the ring also. Don\’t expect more exotic companies to take it laying down either. And remember, no matter whoever is king, the GT-R started it all.

As Bill Paxton said in True Lies
“The ‘Vette, gets ‘em wet”

Really though, they are both awesome cars that go about doing the same job in a very different way. Take your pick. You’d not be disappointed in either.
…and will continue to do so for as long as its driven.

Are you going to say the vspec is a tarted up GTR?

A corvette is an amazing performance car in it’s own right.

And is the GTR’s engine not from the VQ family? Just as the LS9 is from the LS family?

You can’t say a corvette isn’t purpose built from the ground up to be a performance car. Every single corvette has at least 400 horsepower. In a light, 2 door coupe.

I beg to differ about the main development about the ZR1 being the engine, significant work went into the braking system, aswell as the the suspension and drivetrain. The ZR1 sits lower than a Z06, and with those monster carbon ceramic brakes will stop faster than the mighty GTR… again and again and again.

But this is a pointless argument, i’m not saying the GTR is a bad car, far from it. But i’m saying just because they have developed a high tech gearbox and awd system, doesn’t make that in some way superior.

I hope that’s not your response! Once again you automatically dismiss arguments that go against your own, without any evidence whatsoever – not too dissimilar to your “Biased Dyno” opinionated dribble. How bout, seeing how often you seem to be on this site (your replies are spread across entire days), and how much free time you seem to have; you could bother to respond?. Besides, you were the one that brought up the Boss V8, mate. You were asking for it. The pushrod fanboys are on the retreat…

Regarding the actual topic, ZR1 is simply a specced up ZO6 with the main development – in a typically American way – being the engine. GTR is a purpose built car with new technologies – such as the only 4WD car with the transmission in the back. Also has a fantastic new engine (aka, not an existing one with a supercharger), a new gearbox and styling completely different to anything else (whether you like it or not is irrelevant – it looks different, and you can’t argue it looks anything but fantastic in profile)

EVO – tarted up Lancer
WRX STI – tarted up Impreza
ZR1 – tarted up Corvette
FPV F6 – tarted up Falcon
Nissan GT-R – unique from the word go, purpose built in every way, a true successor to the GT-Rs of yesteryear.

It also appears that they have somewere from 550hp-580hp stock. Well over what Nissan are quoting.

You say you tire of that approach blah blah blah.

Unless you actually drive these type of cars, i don’t think its fair to say what you ‘tire’ of.

I’ve driven plenty of skylines, they are effective to a point. But honestly, why wouldn’t you just buy a Evo X and save the change?

The GTR is packed full of new stuff: carbon fibre driveshaft, transfer case/gearbox is at the rear of the car in a totally unique design, ceramic coated cylinders (I think motorbikes have had this before but this is the first road car to have it).

That’s why I like the R35, it’s a masterpiece of engineering more than 10 years in the making. The ZR1 just doesn’t have that appeal. The ZR1 is oldschool engineering. Brute force fed through the rear wheels. I tire of that approach, it’s been done already, show us something new.

I also don’t agree with a comparison to the F40. The F40 is great due to its character, but also it’s hardcore-ness. The paint was spread ridiculously thinly over a CFRP monocoque chassis. It had no frills, no luxuries inside. No carpet. The ZR1 does have luxuries, it’s not a stripped down race car made road legal.

You look at the halo car as some sort of concept, show off car. It’s not, its something people love to buy, and love to drive.

Alot of people don’t want 4wd, a computer controlled chassis, and they definitely don’t want an automatic gearbox. Even if the gearbox saves 10 seconds of the nurburgring time

There is a reason why the F40 is most peoples favorite ferrari, it’s back to basics. Not dissimilar to the zr1.

And whats this about the ZR-1 worth $120k? The RRP is $103K