Comments on: Corvette ZR1 topples GT-R at Nürburgring

By: tael

tael — Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:41:47 +0000

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Base GT-R starts at $69,850 US
ZO6 starts at $72125 US
ZR1 starts at $103300 US

So yes, the GT-R V-spec will be a tarted up GT-R, but the GT-R V-spec starts from a much higher base. And as you can see from the prices, the GT-Rs more natural opposition is the ZO6.”

vette fans are downplaying the price differences

By: cbizzle

cbizzle — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 05:26:10 +0000

for this year with dealer mark ups the zr1 and the gtr are going to be out the door for very similar prices and this year the zr1 is the faster car. its really pretty simple this year the zr1 is the better bang for your buck. personally i don’t care what technology a car uses, its about speed. i don’t say wow look at the R8 and its cool technology i say wow look at the R8 its way more expensive and slower than a z06. Now the GT-R is an amazing car and its a great deal, but personally i prefer a manual. the corvette is the flagship car and it makes GM look good plain and simple. the GT-R makes nissan look good plain and simple. look guys we have two $110,000 dollar cars than can smoke just about anything no matter what the cost. this technology conversation is bogus and annoying. all that matters in the end are the performs numbers and these are two amazing cars

By: topdog

topdog — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:07:32 +0000

Very true starky

By: Starky

Starky — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:05:13 +0000

Base Corvette starts at $46950 US
Base GT-R starts at $69,850 US
ZO6 starts at $72125 US
ZR1 starts at $103300 US

So yes, the GT-R V-spec will be a tarted up GT-R, but the GT-R V-spec starts from a much higher base. And as you can see from the prices, the GT-Rs more natural opposition is the ZO6. So if it\’s fair enough to wait for Chevrolet\’s reaction to the GT-R, I think it\’s more than fair to wait for Nissan\’s reaction to the ZR1.
Also, Tom, while the VR (not VQ) engine was based on experience gained from the VQ series of Nissan engines (possibly also another VR Le Man engine), it is clean sheet with 353 kilowatts – as opposed to the massive amount of 476 kw made by the ZR1 – it isn\’t a car, it is an engine on a light chassis. So, I would think that the fact that the GT-R was able to hold its own without ceramic brakes, with a 123 kilowatt shortfall, weighing an extra 220 kilos and being more than 30 grand less is the most amazing part really. Keep in mind this is base-model…

Alternatively, seeing how important it is to us all to be the fastest car around the Nurburgring, how bou\’t considering the Radical SR8 for $116,795 US – half the price difference of the GT-R and ZR1, but does the Nurburgring 30 seconds faster!

Realistically though, the V-spec will be faster – cars have been timed around the \’ring at 7:26 already; the Nissan engineers will be certain to up the anti now that the Chevy has been released. The Lexus LF-A has been clocked at 7:24 around the ring also. Don\’t expect more exotic companies to take it laying down either. And remember, no matter whoever is king, the GT-R started it all.

By: Fenno

Fenno — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 03:32:54 +0000

Let’s face it.
The GTR does all of the thinking for the driver (he just points and shoots). The GTR isnt a car you have to explain to the uniniated about with pictures of the ‘ring etc. Hell, The GTR wont turn a single female head if your out showing off the metal (unless you arrive at a playstation convention).

As Bill Paxton said in True Lies
“The ‘Vette, gets ‘em wet”

Really though, they are both awesome cars that go about doing the same job in a very different way. Take your pick. You’d not be disappointed in either.
…and will continue to do so for as long as its driven.

By: topdog

topdog — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:44:49 +0000

Yep your right tom its not superior its just a different way to get the same end result.I think he saying it uses better technolgy with less power and smaller motor to get same sort of speed in stead of taking the simpler path

By: Tom

Tom — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:23:07 +0000

Starky, you say ‘tarted up corvette’, like a corvette is an economy car like a lancer or impreza?

Are you going to say the vspec is a tarted up GTR?

A corvette is an amazing performance car in it’s own right.

And is the GTR’s engine not from the VQ family? Just as the LS9 is from the LS family?

You can’t say a corvette isn’t purpose built from the ground up to be a performance car. Every single corvette has at least 400 horsepower. In a light, 2 door coupe.

I beg to differ about the main development about the ZR1 being the engine, significant work went into the braking system, aswell as the the suspension and drivetrain. The ZR1 sits lower than a Z06, and with those monster carbon ceramic brakes will stop faster than the mighty GTR… again and again and again.

But this is a pointless argument, i’m not saying the GTR is a bad car, far from it. But i’m saying just because they have developed a high tech gearbox and awd system, doesn’t make that in some way superior.

By: topdog

topdog — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:02:38 +0000

Yes i think nissan r up to there old tricks of under quoting power how good is that i wish all car makers did that instead of always saying what thay hope to get or what thay whont you to belive thay got ,

By: topdog

topdog — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 10:55:01 +0000

yes thats what i thought but in japan thay have already worked out how to get around computers with remapping bit more boost and stuff there already getting up to 100 hp with out doing to much.It was only a mater of time will be just like all old gtrs there very upgradeable

By: Starky

Starky — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 07:41:12 +0000

“Starky, all you said in that was more raving about technology, money spent, capacity, and clutching at straws regarding the Ford v8.” Tom.

I hope that’s not your response! Once again you automatically dismiss arguments that go against your own, without any evidence whatsoever – not too dissimilar to your “Biased Dyno” opinionated dribble. How bout, seeing how often you seem to be on this site (your replies are spread across entire days), and how much free time you seem to have; you could bother to respond?. Besides, you were the one that brought up the Boss V8, mate. You were asking for it. The pushrod fanboys are on the retreat…

Regarding the actual topic, ZR1 is simply a specced up ZO6 with the main development – in a typically American way – being the engine. GTR is a purpose built car with new technologies – such as the only 4WD car with the transmission in the back. Also has a fantastic new engine (aka, not an existing one with a supercharger), a new gearbox and styling completely different to anything else (whether you like it or not is irrelevant – it looks different, and you can’t argue it looks anything but fantastic in profile)

EVO – tarted up Lancer
WRX STI – tarted up Impreza
ZR1 – tarted up Corvette
FPV F6 – tarted up Falcon
Nissan GT-R – unique from the word go, purpose built in every way, a true successor to the GT-Rs of yesteryear.