Comments on: Porsche returns to ‘Ring with new 911 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/ Resource for Car Reviews, News, Advice, Road Tests, Green Cars, Hybrids Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eber Gonzalez http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-80881 Eber Gonzalez Sun, 29 Jun 2008 22:40:14 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-80881 GTRmon, you are in love GTR and that is respected, but there are those who are lovers of 911 from more than 40 years ago. GTR can have excellent technology and you can praise this car and say anything you like about it, but the 911 is trascendecia of generation after generation ... their progress and technology defy the physical laws of motion ... as a 6-cylinder engine in rear position can have so much stability, agility and power, not only that but also use it every day ... The 911 is facinacion, passion, history and is the result of the effort of hundreds of Engineering who have been working over time in different decades, winning thousands of races. Thanks to all that effort and experience you can say that a Porsche is a porsche. GTR is novel and is very good, but not a 911 ... The price for people knowledgeable and have money to buy a 911 is irrelevant. Do I really understand? If you do not understand that, then expected to leave the new 911 turbo and understand ... ATTE. Evolucion Porsche ... :) GTRmon, you are in love GTR and that is respected, but there are those who are lovers of 911 from more than 40 years ago. GTR can have excellent technology and you can praise this car and say anything you like about it, but the 911 is trascendecia of generation after generation … their progress and technology defy the physical laws of motion … as a 6-cylinder engine in rear position can have so much stability, agility and power, not only that but also use it every day …

The 911 is facinacion, passion, history and is the result of the effort of hundreds of Engineering who have been working over time in different decades, winning thousands of races. Thanks to all that effort and experience you can say that a Porsche is a porsche.

GTR is novel and is very good, but not a 911 …

The price for people knowledgeable and have money to buy a 911 is irrelevant.

Do I really understand?

If you do not understand that, then expected to leave the new 911 turbo and understand …

ATTE. Evolucion Porsche … :)

]]> By: GTRmon http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79811 GTRmon Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:54:28 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79811 Tom, you forgot to mention that the Donut King R35 is slow due its shithouse driver. I personally rather like the look of the R35, probably more than the 911 turbo, which is much better than the Carrera (turd-like things). I appreciate the huge amount of engineering and development that has gone into the R35. I know Porsche has obviously put a fair bit of effort into the 911 for the last 40 years; but the R35 means more. It's got a number of new features which are impressive: the transfer case, carbon fibre driveshaft, ceramic coated cylinders. If I had the money, I'd be all over the GTR like a cheap suit from Lowes. The 911 turbo on the other hand, I'd be too tempted to fork out the cash for something else similarly priced. Tom, you forgot to mention that the Donut King R35 is slow due its shithouse driver.

I personally rather like the look of the R35, probably more than the 911 turbo, which is much better than the Carrera (turd-like things).

I appreciate the huge amount of engineering and development that has gone into the R35. I know Porsche has obviously put a fair bit of effort into the 911 for the last 40 years; but the R35 means more. It’s got a number of new features which are impressive: the transfer case, carbon fibre driveshaft, ceramic coated cylinders.

If I had the money, I’d be all over the GTR like a cheap suit from Lowes. The 911 turbo on the other hand, I’d be too tempted to fork out the cash for something else similarly priced.

]]> By: victory http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79696 victory Fri, 20 Jun 2008 16:27:04 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79696 Autogyro it might be an update but the engine is all new. my opinion. gtr = excellent. porsche = excellent. my pick, the porsche :) Autogyro it might be an update but the engine is all new.
my opinion. gtr = excellent. porsche = excellent. my pick, the porsche :)

]]> By: Autogyro http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79477 Autogyro Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:40:34 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79477 Porsche won't go down quietly to Nissan. However, these aren't 998 Porsches are they? Just the minor same generation update to the 997, isn't it? Porsche won’t go down quietly to Nissan. However, these aren’t 998 Porsches are they? Just the minor same generation update to the 997, isn’t it?

]]> By: joober http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79404 joober Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:42:58 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79404 Tom, thats a carrera S, wait till the turbo, gt's then comment again. Nissan made that because the 911 is on top of the tree (for a street car that looks like a street car) for the Nurb, GTR knocked it off. They werent comparing the style, desire of the car and all that swank that make a porche more wanted, but on raw performance. Tom, thats a carrera S, wait till the turbo, gt’s then comment again.

Nissan made that because the 911 is on top of the tree (for a street car that looks like a street car) for the Nurb, GTR knocked it off. They werent comparing the style, desire of the car and all that swank that make a porche more wanted, but on raw performance.

]]> By: Tom Jakovljevic http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79397 Tom Jakovljevic Thu, 19 Jun 2008 07:05:53 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79397 Adrian... ahh not sure if you read the above? How did Porsche reply being substantially slower? Adrian… ahh not sure if you read the above?

How did Porsche reply being substantially slower?

]]> By: adrian http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79383 adrian Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:34:56 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79383 I beleive it was Nissan who began comparing themselves to the almighty Porsche brand, and their lap times of the ring. Now porsche replies, and the usual excuse of the price is Nissan fans defence... Great car Nissan, but, a Porsche will always be a Porsche. I beleive it was Nissan who began comparing themselves to the almighty Porsche brand, and their lap times of the ring. Now porsche replies, and the usual excuse of the price is Nissan fans defence… Great car Nissan, but, a Porsche will always be a Porsche.

]]> By: Tom Jakovljevic http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79342 Tom Jakovljevic Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:07:07 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79342 GTRmon - The only issue the GTR's have had on Australian tracks so far is the lack of R-comp tyres in 20 inch sizing. The Donut King GTR tried to run targa on the standard tyres - it was always going to be an epic fail. So dont count that. The Fabcar GTR did a low 55 short track on debut on those tyres, while the record for a genuine street car on r-comps is 53.9 by a highly modded Evo 9 MR - carbon fibre doors, no interior, motec m800 full ohlins suspension, endless brake package, etc etc... This is at Barbagallo BTW. By no means is the GTR slow around a track. R-comps will make that time up I'd say. GTRmon – The only issue the GTR’s have had on Australian tracks so far is the lack of R-comp tyres in 20 inch sizing.

The Donut King GTR tried to run targa on the standard tyres – it was always going to be an epic fail. So dont count that.

The Fabcar GTR did a low 55 short track on debut on those tyres, while the record for a genuine street car on r-comps is 53.9 by a highly modded Evo 9 MR – carbon fibre doors, no interior, motec m800 full ohlins suspension, endless brake package, etc etc…

This is at Barbagallo BTW.

By no means is the GTR slow around a track. R-comps will make that time up I’d say.

]]> By: trackdaze http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79331 trackdaze Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:51:07 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79331 So porsche has been beaten around the ring. Ouch thats got to hurt. So porsche has been beaten around the ring. Ouch thats got to hurt.

]]> By: Tom http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79330 Tom Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:35:29 +0000 http://www.caradvice.com.au/13742/porsche-returns-to-ring-with-2009-carrera-s/#comment-79330 I don't understand why everyone is comparing a Porsche to a Nissan. But its quite obvious those duel clutch transmission gearboxes shifting time over such a large track makes a substantial difference. Hence why cars like the ZR1 that are much faster in the real world are still slightly ousted by the GTR, because using a proper manual gearbox is apparently a disadvantage in this day and age. I don’t understand why everyone is comparing a Porsche to a Nissan.

But its quite obvious those duel clutch transmission gearboxes shifting time over such a large track makes a substantial difference.

Hence why cars like the ZR1 that are much faster in the real world are still slightly ousted by the GTR, because using a proper manual gearbox is apparently a disadvantage in this day and age.

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