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Volkswagen, Suzuki ‘not talking’ despite major alliance

By Tim Beissmann |

The relationship between Volkswagen and Suzuki has become strained to the point that the two are no longer talking to each other, despite being linked to a significant operational alliance.

Suzuki Chairman, Osamu Suzuki, told Bloomberg the situation had deteriorated to the point where there was no communication between the two global carmakers.

“Volkswagen is not talking to us,” Mr Suzuki said. “Volkswagen keeps talking to the media, but not to us directly.”

“We have no plans to talk to them.”

The feud heated up in March when the German auto giant published a report describing Suzuki as an “associate” of which it could “significantly influence financial and operating policy decisions”. Suzuki didn’t take kindly to Volkswagen’s heavy-handed attitude.

Volkswagen secured a 19.9 per cent stake in the Japanese manufacturer in December 2009 in a deal worth 222.5 billion yen ($2.7 billion).

In theory, the partnership was a win-win. Volkswagen would have a foot in the door in emerging markets like India where Suzuki’s small cars dominate, while Suzuki would benefit from the Volkswagen Group’s more advanced technology.

The two had plans to cooperate on hybrid and electric vehicles, but almost two years after the deal was signed, there has been no external evidence that any joint projects have even been started.

In a column he wrote in Japan’s Nikkei newspaper in July, Mr Suzuki said he had conducted an extensive review of Volkswagen’s technologies but had not found any he wanted to adopt, and instead chose to buy diesel engines from Fiat SpA in Italy.

Despite the tough talk from the man at the top, executives from both companies have both confirmed it is their intention to repair the relationship and get the alliance back on track.

Time will tell. How do you think the situation will pan out? Do you think Suzuki is better off without Volkswagen, and vice versa? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section below.


 
  • Dave S

    I guess when VW want something from Suzuki they will talk. Maybe all VW wanted was more market share.

    It sound slike Suzuki has gained nothing from this.

    • Thema

      Fiat Group diesels/petrol engines are definately more advanced than VW’s and it appears Suzuki agrees.

  • FrugalOne

    What do you mean they gained nothing, they got 2.7 BILLION dollars of vw’s money

    These articles always forget to mention that in turn Suzuki own 1% of vw

    Suzuki have a fantastic working relationship with FIAT Group

    This vw alliance seems to have turned into a cat fight of sorts…

    • G

      mmmm… last time we had Germans, Japanese and Italians together the result was not very good at all…

      • Lu

        lol

    • Shak

      Did you do some research on how much that 1% cost them…

  • AR

    They should keep it that way or better VW to get out. I don’t want VW to interfere with the Grand Vitara and push their soft roader Tiguan (lifted Golf) to be the next Grand Vitara. And I do not want any of the VW’s turbocharged-supercharged-intercooled-startstop engines, too many parts to go wrong when VW’s reliability was already poor without those complicated parts.

    • Phil

      Well in the “2009 JD Power 2009 Vehicle dependability survey”, Suzuki ranked last and VW ranked 2nd last. If a match was going to be made on reliability (or lack of), you couldn’t get more of a closer match.
      Want to guess where Fiat normally ranks?

      Also Suzuki already has their own lifted hatchback. It’s called SX4 and is far worse than Tiguan.

      • Phil

        “J.D. Power and Associates 2010 Vehicle Dependability Study.”

        Suzuki ranked 2nd last and VW ranked 3rd last.

        Close partnership!

        • Bangel

          Phil that was US NOT UK SURVEY , never take much out of US surveys

          • scatman

            Why not take much out of US survey?

            Please explain

          • Phil

            The UK surveys don’t seem to have a “dependability” survey which focuses entirely on reliability.
            Instead they only appear to have a “satisfaction” survey where reliability only counts for about 1/4 of the result.

            Anyway last years result ” J.D. Power 1020 UK Car Customer Satisfaction Study”:

            VW ranked 11th out of 27 brands.
            Suzuki ranked 24th (a familiar 3rd last spot)

            Seems fairly clear that it’s Suzuki that would drag VW down, not the other way around.
            VW has had stop/start and twin charged engines for over 5 years now and those cars would’ve been included in any 2009 and 2010 surveys.

          • Devil’s Advocate

            Crikey Phil, did Suzuki kill your first born child/abduct your parents/steal your childhood or something? You appear to have a passionate, almost obsessive hatred of the company and anything they build. Any chance you get on a thread with Suzuki you bring out your good friend JD Power to knock them down as hard as you can. Take a chill pill mate, there are more important things in the world to worry about…

        • Danno

          Thing to keep in mind with Suzuki in the US is until recently most of their cars were rebadged Daewoos, the Daewoo Verona and a version of the Holden Viva, and their Grand Vitara’s are built in Canada.

          So most of their products until the SX4, were ex korean or not made in japan, and they don’t (or didn’t) sell the swift in the US.

          That accounts for those poor survey results in the US

          • Phil

            @Danno, Chevolet was and still is selling rebadged Daewoos and they got a much better score in the US surveys….and in surveys where Daewoo themselves were included, they too have gotten better scores than Suzuki.

            @ Devils – well good for the Kizashi. Pity about the rest of the range.
            As for the Sierra, they were sold up to 2000 so they aren’t actually very old. Also if you speak to owners in the know, they will tell you the engines are only good for about 200,000kms. IF you want to see old models going around – well I see just as many (prob more actually) VW Beetles and Kombis driving around than I see Sierras and they are much, much older.
            Is 200,000 Miles supposed to be good for a Bike? I’ve owned two cars (and still drive one of them) that have done well over that and they weren’t doing steady highway running either.

            @Hung Low, Apart from Devils reference to a singular Suzuki models reliability, the only facts presented are the ones I have presented and these facts clearly show that VW performs better than Suzuki despite VWs more complicated designs.
            Everyone elses claims including yours only brings unfounded personal claims.
            “Suzuki does the durability that VW can only dream of!” – WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS TO BACK THIS UP????

          • Devil’s Advocate

            200,000 miles without touching the engine is a VERY long way for a motor bike. Even 100,000 miles is considered an extremely good run.

      • AR

        That was VW’s ranking before the turbocharged-supercharged-intercooled-startstop stuff. More parts = more things to go wrong.

      • Devil’s Advocate

        Hey Phil, seeing as you put SO MUCH emphasis and judgement on the JD Power surveys making it sound like they are THE ONLY survey people can trust, here is one for you.
        The SUZUKI KIZASHI has taken out FIRST PLACE in the JD Power satisfaction survey in the US in the mid size car class for 2011. Now I know this is about satisfaction which includes things like economy/visibility/driving experience/quality etc, however if the car wasn’t reliable, people wouldn’t be satisfied and hence it wouldn’t be a winner.

        NOTE: I AM NOT saying it is the most reliable car out there, however Suzukis are no where near as bad as you are making them out to be. Look how many Sierras are still getting around. I also know for a fact that many of their motorcylces “can’t be killed with an axe”. Look at their 650 Vstrom for an example. There are thousands of them around the world that have done well over 160,000km without any real problems other than normal maintenance. I have also read about one in the US that has done over 200,000 MILES without much trouble. Suzuki even sent him a new speedo as “a gift” because the odometer only goes to 199,999! Also as an “adventure” bike the kms they do are not always easy, steady highway running. Yep, Suzuki doesn’t know how to do reliability….

        • Hung Low

          Well put! No matter what facts are presented to Phil, he tends to refer back to the JD power rubbish based on the rebadged Suzuki’s.
          Suzuki does the durability that VW can only dream of!

          • Phil

            @ Danno, Chevolet was and still is selling rebadged Daewoos and they got a much better score in the US surveys….and in surveys where Daewoo themselves were included, they too have gotten better scores than Suzuki.

            @ Devils – well good for the Kizashi. Pity about the rest of the range.
            As for the Sierra, they were sold up to 2000 so they aren’t actually very old. Also if you speak to owners in the know, they will tell you the engines are only good for about 200,000kms. IF you want to see old models going around – well I see just as many (prob more actually) VW Beetles and Kombis driving around than I see Sierras and they are much, much older.
            Is 200,000 Miles supposed to be good for a Bike? I’ve owned two cars (and still drive one of them) that have done well over that and they weren’t doing steady highway running either.

            @Hung Low, Apart from Devils reference to a singular Suzuki models reliability, the only facts presented are the ones I have presented and these facts clearly show that VW performs better than Suzuki despite VWs more complicated designs.
            Everyone elses claims including yours only brings unfounded personal claims.
            “Suzuki does the durability that VW can only dream of!” – WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS TO BACK THIS UP????

  • Carloz

    I wish Suzuki Swift will adopt the Alfa Mito 1.4L turbo multiAir engine and twin clutch transmission.

  • GTR-XUI

    Suzuki are in the right here.Suzuki wash your hands of Volkswagen.

    • Phil

      Just like everyone else here, you’ve got it the wrong way around.

      It’s VW that is posting huge profits
      It’s VW that is posting massive sales increases
      It’s VW that is debuting new technology
      It’d VW that has a far bigger model range

      What’s Suzuki got to Offer?

  • Damian

    Suzuki could do with VW’s TSI and DSG technology. The Kizashi would be doing a lot better with a 2.0 TSI under the hood.

    • Hung Low

      Perhaps low maintenance cost and reliability after warranty was high priority in their design philosophy!

      • Phil

        @Hung Low, if you were referring to Suzuki, you’ve got it the wrong way around yet again.

        Heres what Suzuki say about servicing their cars (from AU Website) “Replacement of the engine oil together with a basic safety inspection at intervals of 7,500 kms or 6 months will assure that your new vehicle operates safely”

        Heres what VW say about servicing (nothing on AU site, from UK site): “Time and Distance Service: 12 months/10000 miles for heavy driving” or LongLife Service Regime: 24 months/15,000 miles for mainly high mileage driving at constant speeds.

        Both won’t reveal service costs, claiming that each dealer operates independatly, but considering Suzuki want you to come in so frequently, VW could afford to charge double per service and would still be cheaper than Suzuki.

    • Devil’s Advocate

      Why would you put the engine under the roof Damian? Plus I didn’t know the Kizashi was a convertible….

  • Bangel

    Nothing new japs not talking , when negotiating they can sit for hours not saying a word , the germans like a chin wag so it would be interesting to watch .

    • scatman

      Only negotiationg you would have done with japs is at a massage parlour.

      You do seem to talk out your date a lot

    • Phil

      Now sure what either of you are on about, but like most products purchased in Australia, whether they be German or Japanese products, the salesperson will most likely be AUSTRALIAN.
      Plus from what I’ve heard VW won’t budge on prices for most of their models unless your buying a Demo. Suzuki is often advertising discounts in the weekend papaers.

  • Bangel

    Fatman , yes you would make a good sumo , then again you talk too much .

  • scatman

    Ummm, you just put words together hoping they might be funny, its a bit embarrassing to tell the truth

    Entertain us, tell us the major deals you negotiated with the Japanese

    • Bangel

      FATMAN you are suffering from delusions about your expertise in obeservation of japanese behaviour .

      If you have negotiated with them you would be aware of their aloofness , however your knowledge has been gained from drinking too much saki at sushi train stores .

      • scatman

        I really want to know your involvement negotiating with the Japanese.

        aas it ordering takeaway sushi, buying some headphones from an asian looking dude at dick smiths?

        Hand on it