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	<title>Comments on: Honda FCX Clarity &#8211; A fuel cell car you can drive to work now!</title>
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		<title>By: Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/13682/honda-fcx-clarity-a-fuel-cell-car-you-can-drive-to-work-now/#comment-125115</link>
		<dc:creator>Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear me out people sit here and say the price is to expensive this is no different from the very first cars that came out honda will find a way to make money it is not worth their time to make a car in which they cant sell. You guys have to see these people as business men not scientists. And the reason they decided not to go with algae patrolleum is it takes simply to much space and the reason why we cant go solely on electric cars is because not only is it unproductive to charge your car constantly but we have to consider issues of national security aswell as the consumption of electric energy through each individual and if everyone is using a high amount of electricity at the same time that is just burning coal  or gas at a power plant like you cant believe making the GREEN issue worse. The means of making our transportation GREEN are simply impossible. The only true way of making our cars run green is if we throw water into the gas tank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear me out people sit here and say the price is to expensive this is no different from the very first cars that came out honda will find a way to make money it is not worth their time to make a car in which they cant sell. You guys have to see these people as business men not scientists. And the reason they decided not to go with algae patrolleum is it takes simply to much space and the reason why we cant go solely on electric cars is because not only is it unproductive to charge your car constantly but we have to consider issues of national security aswell as the consumption of electric energy through each individual and if everyone is using a high amount of electricity at the same time that is just burning coal  or gas at a power plant like you cant believe making the GREEN issue worse. The means of making our transportation GREEN are simply impossible. The only true way of making our cars run green is if we throw water into the gas tank.</p>
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		<title>By: Marketmaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marketmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dohcv8 - yeah I have to admit the whirr of an eletric drive will not compare to a bellowing V8.

I think we&#039;ll need to include in the electric car specs a thunderous stereo system blasting a high fidelity V8 burble &amp; roar. Maybe an offbalance rotating shaft somewhere to complete the effect...... nah!.. I agree that even won&#039;t cut it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dohcv8 &#8211; yeah I have to admit the whirr of an eletric drive will not compare to a bellowing V8.</p>
<p>I think we&#8217;ll need to include in the electric car specs a thunderous stereo system blasting a high fidelity V8 burble &amp; roar. Maybe an offbalance rotating shaft somewhere to complete the effect&#8230;&#8230; nah!.. I agree that even won&#8217;t cut it!</p>
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		<title>By: DOHCV8</title>
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		<dc:creator>DOHCV8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the only thing out the exhaust pipe is water imagine how many people will be killed on permanently wet roads!!

Bugger that.  

I&#039;d rather billowing clouds of tyre smoke and a roaring bellowing internal combustion engine burning fantastic amounts of powerful fossil fuels and leaving two smoking strips of rubber down on my favourite piece of dry road as the tacho swings to the redline and I snatch second gear and do it all over again......



Oh, and the anti-spam word.. Bugatti, I rest my case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the only thing out the exhaust pipe is water imagine how many people will be killed on permanently wet roads!!</p>
<p>Bugger that.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather billowing clouds of tyre smoke and a roaring bellowing internal combustion engine burning fantastic amounts of powerful fossil fuels and leaving two smoking strips of rubber down on my favourite piece of dry road as the tacho swings to the redline and I snatch second gear and do it all over again&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, and the anti-spam word.. Bugatti, I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Alien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Joober : 

mate have you been to the Middle East yourself? because all I hear you say is utter jibberish. 

Dubai isn&#039;t surviving on oil or date exports... the number of projects going on there, you&#039;d have to be an ignorant twat to believe that only oil is the reason they are booming. While its an integral part of their economy, its not totally dependent on it.. Tourism, Arab Emirates (pretty sure I&#039;ve read a number of times on their good high caliber ratings) then the property development. Hell even Brangelina got themselves a piece of land (on those Islands which resemble countries). 

Do a bit of research mate, I suggest you get yourself updated... 

*rant end/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Joober : </p>
<p>mate have you been to the Middle East yourself? because all I hear you say is utter jibberish. </p>
<p>Dubai isn&#8217;t surviving on oil or date exports&#8230; the number of projects going on there, you&#8217;d have to be an ignorant twat to believe that only oil is the reason they are booming. While its an integral part of their economy, its not totally dependent on it.. Tourism, Arab Emirates (pretty sure I&#8217;ve read a number of times on their good high caliber ratings) then the property development. Hell even Brangelina got themselves a piece of land (on those Islands which resemble countries). </p>
<p>Do a bit of research mate, I suggest you get yourself updated&#8230; </p>
<p>*rant end/</p>
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		<title>By: ShaunL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShaunL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the aim of the game is to get the world onto a hydrogen economy so that hydrogen can be manufactured in a sustainable fashion.  As Anthony says the only thing that comes out of the tailpipe is water which means it moves the pollution from people&#039;s backyards to somewhere out of sight which is a very powerful/political but globally useless function.  Having said all this, I&#039;m not convinced either.  

The key is to get the energy from somewhere clean to make the hydrogen.  Those options exist but are still in their infancy. Until this happens, fuel cells are only moving the problem somewhere else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the aim of the game is to get the world onto a hydrogen economy so that hydrogen can be manufactured in a sustainable fashion.  As Anthony says the only thing that comes out of the tailpipe is water which means it moves the pollution from people&#8217;s backyards to somewhere out of sight which is a very powerful/political but globally useless function.  Having said all this, I&#8217;m not convinced either.  </p>
<p>The key is to get the energy from somewhere clean to make the hydrogen.  Those options exist but are still in their infancy. Until this happens, fuel cells are only moving the problem somewhere else.</p>
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		<title>By: ベリー</title>
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		<dc:creator>ベリー</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not gonna slam anyone for trying to get us out of this vicious oil cycle.
A)Car looks alright.
B)BMW made hydrogen using solar power. I know, to produce solar cells you would spend shyteload of $ and energy, but even your oil burner was pretty inefficient in the late 1800&#039;s compared to now. Give them a break, give them a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not gonna slam anyone for trying to get us out of this vicious oil cycle.<br />
A)Car looks alright.<br />
B)BMW made hydrogen using solar power. I know, to produce solar cells you would spend shyteload of $ and energy, but even your oil burner was pretty inefficient in the late 1800&#8242;s compared to now. Give them a break, give them a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Marketmaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marketmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hydrogen does not exist as hydrogen - it has to be manufactured. Hydrogen is just another way of storing energy so that you can transport it and carry it on board you car to make it go. But there are other options to fullfill this function: Batteries, capacitors, methane, LPG, diesel, petrol and any number of variants of &quot;manufactured hydrocarbons (biofuels - including algae fuel, diesel made from methane,etc.)

Which is best? It depends on your criteria for whats important: Cost, greenhouse impact, self sufficiency. 

And I agree with Joober that this will be a changing landscape with all technologies in a constant state of improvement.

I just think that Hydrogen is pushing sh*t up hill. Its always going to be a bugger to store/transport - all the inovations/enhancements in the world are not going to alter the basic thermodynamic limitations of the stuff. 

You are always going to have to get it either from hyrdrocarbon reforming (which generates CO2) or from water (which requires you to put more energy in than you get out)

Battery/electric drive is way ahead ogf H2 on every criteria, and unlike H2 / fuel cells, battery/capacitor technology has strong &amp; EXISTING commercial drivers pushing its R&amp;D along at turbo pace!( think mobile phones, PCs, and military in the case of ultracapacitors). 

BTW - Rolfmatic - H2 storage tanks are typically in the 100kg - 200kg range. Add that to the fuel cell weight and I think you would find there would be nothing in the weight difference comapred to batteries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hydrogen does not exist as hydrogen &#8211; it has to be manufactured. Hydrogen is just another way of storing energy so that you can transport it and carry it on board you car to make it go. But there are other options to fullfill this function: Batteries, capacitors, methane, LPG, diesel, petrol and any number of variants of &#8220;manufactured hydrocarbons (biofuels &#8211; including algae fuel, diesel made from methane,etc.)</p>
<p>Which is best? It depends on your criteria for whats important: Cost, greenhouse impact, self sufficiency. </p>
<p>And I agree with Joober that this will be a changing landscape with all technologies in a constant state of improvement.</p>
<p>I just think that Hydrogen is pushing sh*t up hill. Its always going to be a bugger to store/transport &#8211; all the inovations/enhancements in the world are not going to alter the basic thermodynamic limitations of the stuff. </p>
<p>You are always going to have to get it either from hyrdrocarbon reforming (which generates CO2) or from water (which requires you to put more energy in than you get out)</p>
<p>Battery/electric drive is way ahead ogf H2 on every criteria, and unlike H2 / fuel cells, battery/capacitor technology has strong &amp; EXISTING commercial drivers pushing its R&amp;D along at turbo pace!( think mobile phones, PCs, and military in the case of ultracapacitors). </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; Rolfmatic &#8211; H2 storage tanks are typically in the 100kg &#8211; 200kg range. Add that to the fuel cell weight and I think you would find there would be nothing in the weight difference comapred to batteries.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wheelnut what world do you live in? I along with other Toyota supporters have mentioned hydrogen as being a step in the right direction. As for electricity, I think electrical cars may be the way but despite hyroden cells greater demand for energy in real terms... it would still be better for the enviro then diesel or petrol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wheelnut what world do you live in? I along with other Toyota supporters have mentioned hydrogen as being a step in the right direction. As for electricity, I think electrical cars may be the way but despite hyroden cells greater demand for energy in real terms&#8230; it would still be better for the enviro then diesel or petrol</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting green technology, but two questions still remain.

Where are you going to fill up, the infrastructure just isn&#039;t there... As said in the article, you must fill up at a couple of places, severely limiting the use of hydrogen vehicles for the mass market at the point in time.

Secondly, the car probably costs a fortune to make just one unit. That&#039;s why Honda are leasing, they aren&#039;t going to recover the cost, but at least they still own the vehicles and can continue to perform tests on them. Is the FCX going to be the next GM EV1?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting green technology, but two questions still remain.</p>
<p>Where are you going to fill up, the infrastructure just isn&#8217;t there&#8230; As said in the article, you must fill up at a couple of places, severely limiting the use of hydrogen vehicles for the mass market at the point in time.</p>
<p>Secondly, the car probably costs a fortune to make just one unit. That&#8217;s why Honda are leasing, they aren&#8217;t going to recover the cost, but at least they still own the vehicles and can continue to perform tests on them. Is the FCX going to be the next GM EV1?</p>
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		<title>By: Joober</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah too much bagging of Toyota on this website made me write Toyota lol, I meant car manufacturer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah too much bagging of Toyota on this website made me write Toyota lol, I meant car manufacturer</p>
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