(A)(R)obert McEniry, president of Mitsubishi Australia.
If I were to buy a serious offroader, it’s got to have rear diff lock at least.
I think the next best thing to this and a Wrangler is the Patrol, Passenger car comfort and the same or better offroad ability.
I’d put the Landcruiser 70, and 76, as well the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon and the G-Wagon in the more capable category as they all come with front and back diff locks. I would put nice Patrol in the same Category as the Landrover.
The Land Rover is an icon and it’s cool. But if I were to buy one in this category, I’d get a Land Cruiser 70 series, comes with snorkel, diff locks and V8 diesel powah for $50-60k. The other good alternative is the Mitsi Challenger, ladder frame chassis, rear/centre diff locks standard on the LS/XLS, traction control, DSC, good ground clearance, 131KW turbo diesel, based on the tough Triton ute chassis and from $39K drive away.
which one is 50-60k? I saw the workmate cab chassis for 58k, but all the rest were 60+.
The base model, should be the Workmate. $50 something k.
2011 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER VDJ76R MY10 WORKMATE
Body 5 door 5 seat WAGON
Engine 8 cylinder Diesel Intercooled Turbo 4.5L (4461cc)
@AR, Diff locks are not standard on the “2011 TOYOTA LANDCRUISER VDJ76R MY10 WORKMATE”.
@Phil. Yeah you’re right. It’s optional extra for the front and rear lockers. I guess it’s a few hundreds $$ for each end. Anyone buying this class of vehicle should tick that box. It gets locking centre diff and rear LSD though.
Redbook has that one as $59,140 without on road costs – so yeah, 50 something k
Just get a Challenger. It’s already lifted, centre/rear diff locks, traction control, 131KW turbo diesel. Ready for fun for $39k (no rear diff lock) or $40k (with rear diff lock) drive away no more to pay. Plenty of spare parts around too as the Triton is the second or third highest selling ute with 500-800 units a month.
What an arbitrary and meaningless distinction. Rear difflocks are an option. If you simply ‘must’ have difflock on the front get an ARB installed, it’s no more expensive than the difflock OPTIONAL EXTRAS on Toyota’s.
You also may want to consider the implications of the vehicles you mention requiring diff locks to achieve the Defenders capability with open diffs.
What’s with you Toyo-zealots and your insecurities?
“Oh, another toyota knocking troll”
Seriously?! Who’s the troll?
Have I ever specifically come to a Toyota review to spout the superiority of Land Rover? Umm no.. Yet here you are extolling the alleged virtues of Toyota in a Defender review.
As I said rear lockers are an option on Defenders.
Your only argument is that Toyota offer a front locker and Land Rover don’t. A moot point I would say, as per my previous comment.
Only in your Toyota marketing inspired imagination do Toyos “completely smash” Land Rovers “out of the water”. Whatever that means.
I suppose you also believe the Toyota marketing myth (oops, I mean outright lie)that suggests that it was Toyota that built the Snowy River Scheme.
As for your remark of judging vehicles, with your clear bias against Land Rovers perhaps it is you that should learn not judge a vehicles capability by it’s badge.
as someone who drives off road professionally I agree that the Wrangler Rubicon, G-Wagon are in the same class. However the 70 series is nowhere to be found. Both of the other’s have lockers and coil suspension which gives much better off road axle articulation. The combination of lockers and axle articulation gives off road performance. The leaf spring design on the 70 series is tough but it also leads to no traction in many scenarios, particularly on rough lose rocky terrain where they tend to topple or be at very dangerous angles.
The defenders strength is that they have sacrificed almost all on road capability for off road ground traction without lockers. The gear ratio’s are completely crazy for on road driving. I found myself constantly changing gears to maintain the turbo boost on the defender, but when you get in the mud the ratios all make sense. In all the 70, 80, 100 and 200 series LC’s that I have owned or driven none of them come close to the traction that the defender comes with standard (all compared minus lockers). Add a pair of ARB Air Lockers to the defender and you still have cash in the bank compared to a Land Cruiser (like for like defender 110 wagon vs 70 series GLX). You won’t guzzle fuel like the Rubicon Petrol and you have about 100k saved over the g-wagon.
There are many video demonstrations comparing the traction capabilities of the various cars stock to stock. The take home is if you want to drive on road at motor way speeds in somewhat more comfort then the others make more sense. If you want something different that is superb off road get the Defender.
p.s. full disclosure my current personal daily drive is a defender 110. My work car is a 70 series. Previously it has been a g-wagon professional.
fit one – ARB sell them. what the defender has that all the others mentioned don’t is the superior clearance, approach and departure angles etc
That’s an option. Got to fit an air compressor as well. $2k, $3k all up?
defender costs 45-49k, 70 series wagon costs 63k – in fact all the others mentioned cost signifcantly more, except the Rubicon, 42k. I prefer the defender. I don’t know about the Challenger, but I haven’t heard people compare it in the same group before.
No you don’t. The Defender proves that is complete rubbish. Centre Diff Lock and Rear LSD gets the job done with ease.
Not quite Anthony – Defender has open diffs, with a lockable centre diff (as it’s permanent 4wd). ETC makes up the difference, braking individual wheels with 4-channel ABS sensors to maintain traction.
A common upgrade for Defenders used for muddy hillclimbing is an ARB air locker. Traction control is helpful for the majority though.
Y and TenFour are right about rear diff lock / air locker / axle lock. BTW this is not an offroad website so it is to be expected
There should be a picture of the Land Rover Defender next to the word “Respect” in the dictionary.
Wish I lived somewhere that I could justify getting one!
Isn’t the Defender coming out with a 2.2L engine in the next couple of months? I’m wondering why this car is being reviewed now, just before an update.
Because we haven’t reviewed the 110 previously. Not quite sure when Australia will get the 2.2 litre diesel, no word of that yet from Land Rover Australia.
Thanks for the response. Great review, as always.
No, this has NOTHING to do with the S1 oil leaking Landy of 63 years ago, that’s a total nonsense comment Anthony , NOT ONE PART is interchangeable with this current Defender
Anyway this is a obsolete powertrain, and about to be phased out, replaced with the 2.2 from the Jaguar
Buy a baseline Nissan Patrol, just as ruggered, a GENERATION better built, more reliable and dealers everywhere
Same sort of coin, and can be used daily
I’d get a Patrol in a flash if it didn’t have the 3.0L “Grenade” Renault turbo diesel engine.
Frugal you really need to read the review properly rather than charging off the grid and stalling.
I said, “Physically, it might look identical to how it did 63 years ago when Maurice Wilks’s idea of a ‘go anywhere’ 4×4 was first launched at the Amsterdam Motor Show as the Land Rover, but make no mistake: the latest Defender 110 can still go head-to-head with a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon.” Nowhere did I say that the Land Rover today was identical to the first S1 Land Rover.
Me bad!, as per the Defender did not “stall”, have anti-stall fitted [which works rubbish going down steep hills]
Still rather a JEEP or Patrol, till the all-new Defender comes out.
Good photos, like to see them doing hard-core 4×4 not just on the footpath
I agree with Frugal One
The best parts of owning a Defender are:
* the only car with no lips on the edges of the doors; the floor is flush so you can hose / brush the mud out in a jiffy!
* Land Rovers wave, stop and help each other both in the bush and out on the road. You’d be surprised at the friends you make around the world if you own a Landy
* they endear themselves to you and your family. A Defender becomes a pet that just keeps working harder and harder for you. We’re always finding new jobs for ours!
* there’s no carpet anywhere. Wet dog in the back? No problem, it just brushes out if you park on a hill.
* it uses less fuel than my colleague’s Camry
* every drive in it, however mundane, feels like you’re embarking on an adventure. Not many cars give you that special feeling!
* a new one is much cheaper than the equivalent LC 5 door, and a/c is standard.
* the load space is about twice as big as a Wrangler Unlimited, and there’s no pesky soft top bit taking up space
I’ve been looking for a new 4b since i drowned my last one a few weeks ago and test drove a 110 last night, check CA and low ‘n behold you’ve put up a review. The timing couldn’t have been better.
I actually really liked the ‘fender, but its the ergonomics that make possibly too hard to live with, especially with the long distances we travel in oz. The peddle area is quite narrow and there’s no foot rest, and no room for one, to rest your left leg you need to put it under the clutch. No cruise so your right leg never gets a rest, but there are aftermarket options. Also the steering wheel isn’t tilt adjustable, and for me to get remotely comfortable i needed to sit quite close to the wheel, and thus very upright. You really feel like an old lorry driver driving the thing. It certainly doesn’t feel like your driving a civilian ‘SUV”, more like you’re driving a 2 tonne pantech truck, and i guess thats because you basically are. It probably feels less out of place on the open road though.
It really gives the impression that the vehicle will out last you if treat it right. Its the kind of vehicle that you don’t buy on a whim or because you like the look of it, but you buy it because in 20 years it will still be chugging along faithfully doing whatever you ask of it.
I jumped out of it and straight into a wrangler unlimited, and it may as well have been a maybach. Shed loads of power, infinitely more comfortable (crappy auto though). A much much more modern feeling vehicle. But I think you’d be sick of all the plastic in about a year or two. Although they might be considered competitors they couldn’t actually be any more different.
“It really gives the impression that the vehicle will out last you if treat it right”.
I learned to drive, and got through High School and University with a 1949 Series 1 Land Rover. It was already 45 when I bought it and it had already had a hard life. I thrashed it like any other P-plater and it never failed me, ever. Agreed about the spartan, awkward interiors, but hell if you think a Defender is unrefined don’t try a Series 1
A excellent resource if you are still considering buying a Land Rover is AULRO, the guys on that forum will tell you straight up the long term pros and cons of Land Rover ownership.
Good luck with whichever brand you choose!
Im restoring albiet very slowly a 1949 S1 and a 1950 S1 My first car was a 1975 S3 that i restored as a 15 year old with my Dad i still have it and still drive it for all the same reasons that Old Dog says.
Id love a Defender or even a County i just wish it had Discs, Drums are just not good enough in modern traffic!
Every LR from about ’96 onwards has 4 wheel discs. All 110s certainly did with the introduction of the 300Tdi engine.
Mind you, well adjusted drums perform quite well. My little 2a from 1968 has four wheeled drums and it stops on a dime if you shove the brake pedal hard enough!
They just don’t appreciate a dunking in deep water…
All fo your complaining sounds like my sister and my mother combined. grow a pair you wussy
Anyone who calls the Defender ‘old’ ‘dated’ or the likes obviously know nothing of this legend and the essence of this vehicle. It’s quite possibly one of the best vehicles ever made such that it stands the test of time in not just its ability but its appeal.
Personally I cant believe the Jeep Rubicon is the standard to be measured against, Seriously? I think the only truly capable vehicle to measure the Defender against is the Toyota LC (various models). I have a 95 LC and I have been looking at Defenders for going on 20 years now, they are both built like tanks. I would be a be afraid I would snap something on a Rubicon just going up an old gravel logging road. Unfortunately in the US we cant import Defenders (unless they are 25 years old) or Toyota 70 series. Some day a Defender will be mine!
yes you can, PAblanchard and many other british modifiers can get them to the US, or himalaya 4×4. what you need is some straight old fashioned pile of cash!
I think what puts a lot of people off with the Defender is the size of the Diesel engine (and output power). I think people generally would be more liking to a 3.2L or thereabouts, which is around the ‘sweet’ spot for buyers vs engine size. I realise its a completely different vehicle, but thats what lets the Territory down when it comes to normal driving (where the engine size and output counts) – and that uses an old Land Rover Discovery engine.
The fire wall dyes after ten years theme it’s a write off thanks for that and the gear box is an expensive oil can always leaks but mm great off road I flogged the guts out of it day after day 350 thousand hard klms
Very Expensive but high powered cars.
Tank-like toughness but also tank-like acceleration, aerodynamics and economy
The only person loves a land rover is someone who owns one. and its so true about land rover owners.. its like some secret club.
They LOVE working on said vehicle, us Japanese 4×4 owners have better things to do with our time…
Defender with traction control doesn’t need locking axle diffs and centre diff can be locked manually which gives a superb off roader or tow vehicle for all the inferior vehicles you guys rave about.