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		<title>By: Joober</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/13594/toyota-downplays-plug-in-hybrid-benefits/#comment-80089</link>
		<dc:creator>Joober</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 11:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats right AC, with our strengthening labour and dollar, all sorts of manufacturing (where it can be done anywhere in the world) seems to be not so feasible when it can be done cheaper anywhere else in the world.

Just remember, Toyota and any car manufacturer is a faceless corporation driven by owners to perform, Theres no loyalty unless it pays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats right AC, with our strengthening labour and dollar, all sorts of manufacturing (where it can be done anywhere in the world) seems to be not so feasible when it can be done cheaper anywhere else in the world.</p>
<p>Just remember, Toyota and any car manufacturer is a faceless corporation driven by owners to perform, Theres no loyalty unless it pays.</p>
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		<title>By: AC COBRA</title>
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		<dc:creator>AC COBRA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 08:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have we bought a hybrid white elephant?
Retiring Labor senator George Campbell has taken a parting shot at the Rudd Government’s decision to provide Toyota with $35 million to build a Camry hybrid in Australia.

The former boss of the manufacturing workers union says the Government could be buying “a pig in a poke” with the Camry deal. In other words, Kevin Rudd has signed the deal in a hurry without really understanding what he’s getting.

&quot;What disturbs me about it is that it seems to me we&#039;re buying old technology,&quot; he has told the The Sydney Morning Herald.

He has a point. The Camry hybrid we’ll get is based on the same technology as the current Prius, which is essentially almost a decade old. By 2010, both General Motors and Toyota are aiming to have much more efficient plug-in hybrids based on the latest battery technology.

So why has the Government been so keen to secure the deal? And why is it giving the world’s most profitable car company a $35 million hand-out when the company itself says it was going to bring the hybrid Camry to Australia anyway?

Add to that the fact that all the components for the hybrid drivetrain in the Camry will be imported from Japan, and the net worth to Australia of the deal begins to become a little dubious.

Senator Campbell suggests the generosity may be tied in with local manufacturing jobs more than genuine environmental concerns.

Toyota has been very vocal about the fact that its Australian manufacturing operation, including its export business, is looking less attractive to head office because of the high labour costs and the strength of the Australian dollar.

Senior management says the local operation’s biggest threat isn’t Holden and Ford, but other Toyota plants around the world. The company now has Camry plants in seven countries around the globe, including China, Russia and Thailand.

Was Mr Rudd’s decision more about keeping Camry production in Australia and less about delivering a greener future for Australian motorists?

After all, 10,000 hybrid Camrys, some of which are likely to substitute for Priuses, are hardly going to put much of a dent in our automotive industry’s global footprint, given that Australians buy one million new cars every year.

So do you think Senator Campbell’s on the money or is the Camry deal an important step towards a greener future for the Australian car industry?

Richard Blackburn

Posted on June 23, 2008 4:24 PM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have we bought a hybrid white elephant?<br />
Retiring Labor senator George Campbell has taken a parting shot at the Rudd Government’s decision to provide Toyota with $35 million to build a Camry hybrid in Australia.</p>
<p>The former boss of the manufacturing workers union says the Government could be buying “a pig in a poke” with the Camry deal. In other words, Kevin Rudd has signed the deal in a hurry without really understanding what he’s getting.</p>
<p>&#8220;What disturbs me about it is that it seems to me we&#8217;re buying old technology,&#8221; he has told the The Sydney Morning Herald.</p>
<p>He has a point. The Camry hybrid we’ll get is based on the same technology as the current Prius, which is essentially almost a decade old. By 2010, both General Motors and Toyota are aiming to have much more efficient plug-in hybrids based on the latest battery technology.</p>
<p>So why has the Government been so keen to secure the deal? And why is it giving the world’s most profitable car company a $35 million hand-out when the company itself says it was going to bring the hybrid Camry to Australia anyway?</p>
<p>Add to that the fact that all the components for the hybrid drivetrain in the Camry will be imported from Japan, and the net worth to Australia of the deal begins to become a little dubious.</p>
<p>Senator Campbell suggests the generosity may be tied in with local manufacturing jobs more than genuine environmental concerns.</p>
<p>Toyota has been very vocal about the fact that its Australian manufacturing operation, including its export business, is looking less attractive to head office because of the high labour costs and the strength of the Australian dollar.</p>
<p>Senior management says the local operation’s biggest threat isn’t Holden and Ford, but other Toyota plants around the world. The company now has Camry plants in seven countries around the globe, including China, Russia and Thailand.</p>
<p>Was Mr Rudd’s decision more about keeping Camry production in Australia and less about delivering a greener future for Australian motorists?</p>
<p>After all, 10,000 hybrid Camrys, some of which are likely to substitute for Priuses, are hardly going to put much of a dent in our automotive industry’s global footprint, given that Australians buy one million new cars every year.</p>
<p>So do you think Senator Campbell’s on the money or is the Camry deal an important step towards a greener future for the Australian car industry?</p>
<p>Richard Blackburn</p>
<p>Posted on June 23, 2008 4:24 PM</p>
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		<title>By: homegrown</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/13594/toyota-downplays-plug-in-hybrid-benefits/#comment-79528</link>
		<dc:creator>homegrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GT40,An interesting point on the Landcruiser but what is interesting is that in every category of car Toyota vehicles are most fuel economic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GT40,An interesting point on the Landcruiser but what is interesting is that in every category of car Toyota vehicles are most fuel economic.</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>plus......not to mention the costly exercise of battery replacement on a very periodic basis and manufacture which is simply not that green at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plus&#8230;&#8230;not to mention the costly exercise of battery replacement on a very periodic basis and manufacture which is simply not that green at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 03:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the short term hybrids are not the answer as they are way too short term as pollution will still be caused! And in an increasing world population, that means more drivers and pollution will still occur and a nominal slower rate then now! 

Hydrogen is the answer...........”Hydrogen, being a fuel that burns cleanly, it can directly address polluting emissions.” 

“When you burn hydrogen you produce only water, so there is no CO2 produced, so no impact on greenhouse gas emissions.” (HYBRIDS STILL WILL PRODUCE CO2 EMISSIONS AND ARE STILL RELIANT ON PETROL AND/OR ELECTRICITY). 

Seems to me all people are blinded by this fact thinking it is the answer.......ts only a stepping stone to next level (e.g. full electric or hydrogen)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the short term hybrids are not the answer as they are way too short term as pollution will still be caused! And in an increasing world population, that means more drivers and pollution will still occur and a nominal slower rate then now! </p>
<p>Hydrogen is the answer&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..”Hydrogen, being a fuel that burns cleanly, it can directly address polluting emissions.” </p>
<p>“When you burn hydrogen you produce only water, so there is no CO2 produced, so no impact on greenhouse gas emissions.” (HYBRIDS STILL WILL PRODUCE CO2 EMISSIONS AND ARE STILL RELIANT ON PETROL AND/OR ELECTRICITY). </p>
<p>Seems to me all people are blinded by this fact thinking it is the answer&#8230;&#8230;.ts only a stepping stone to next level (e.g. full electric or hydrogen)!</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Smart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 01:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota are also going to make a methane powered prius,that runs on its own smell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota are also going to make a methane powered prius,that runs on its own smell</p>
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		<title>By: Ford Sells No Cars</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ford Sells No Cars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 22:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alec - when Ford revert to steam power they will made redundant because thir market department completely suck generating nothing but cold, freezing air.

A bit like thier sales - cold !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alec &#8211; when Ford revert to steam power they will made redundant because thir market department completely suck generating nothing but cold, freezing air.</p>
<p>A bit like thier sales &#8211; cold !!</p>
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		<title>By: Alec Smart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alec Smart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toyota are going to revert back to steam power,using the hot air from there marketing department to heat the water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toyota are going to revert back to steam power,using the hot air from there marketing department to heat the water.</p>
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		<title>By: Davo</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/13594/toyota-downplays-plug-in-hybrid-benefits/#comment-78578</link>
		<dc:creator>Davo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thick power cord pictured looks like it would be rated for a very heavy load.
Looks more than 10amps one phase. 
To recharge a passenger vehicle is likely to require a lot more than plugging in an ordinary domestic appliance or charging the forklift.
After puchasing the vehicle the electricians might be busy upgrading wiring not just to the garage but to the whole property.$$$ 
Does anyone have an answer?
Infrastructure is the big question hanging over the alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thick power cord pictured looks like it would be rated for a very heavy load.<br />
Looks more than 10amps one phase.<br />
To recharge a passenger vehicle is likely to require a lot more than plugging in an ordinary domestic appliance or charging the forklift.<br />
After puchasing the vehicle the electricians might be busy upgrading wiring not just to the garage but to the whole property.$$$<br />
Does anyone have an answer?<br />
Infrastructure is the big question hanging over the alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 07:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lurch certainly seems excited by it in the photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lurch certainly seems excited by it in the photo.</p>
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