Petrol rip off must stop – VACC
31 May, 2008
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A major automotive industry body has launched a stinging attack on the practices, including predatory pricing, which it says are leading to motorists being hit by constantly rising fuel prices.
The Victorian Automobile Chamber of Commerce (VACC) says the rampant rise in the cost of fuel affects all Australians, and yet, there seems to be little sign of any relief.
This week, both Federal Parties, Labor and Liberal, were divided on how best to tackle the issue.
“VACC is concerned that there are few answers coming from Canberra. Where then, motorists might ask, is a considered resolution going to come from?” VACC Executive Director, David Purchase, said.
“While VACC acknowledges that the prime reason for rampant pump prices is the rising cost of oil on world markets, there are certain obvious measures, which if taken immediately, would go some way to reducing costs for road-users,” he said.
VACC says that on the question of competition, the oil companies and their supermarket alliance partners have nearly total vertical control of the market, and their “comfortable oligopoly,” as the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) refers to it, must be broken.
VACC contends that oil companies, through their supermarket partners, are attempting to remove independent operators from the market through predatory pricing practices, to gain total market control. The ACCC must act to stop predatory pricing.
It says supermarket shopper dockets are a con. Few motorists can now believe that they are not paying for the so-called ‘discount’ through the supermarket check-out. This con must be exposed by the media.
Taking up a growing call the VACC says; “GST on the excise component of petrol is indefensible and counter to the former Howard and Costello Government’s pledge when it introduced the 10% ‘Goods and Services Tax’ in 2000. This tax-on-a-tax must be abolished which will save motorists nearly four cents a litre.”
VACC questions the relevance of world parity pricing in the current distorted world market where speculators are in large part responsible for the record barrel prices. It is time that world parity pricing was reviewed.
It also says the $2000 vehicle rebate for LPG fitment must be maintained until 2014 as planned. Australia’s local vehicle manufacturers would have a clear market advantage if LPG was designed to fit integrally into more of their locally produced models, and fitted at the production stage.
Finally it says the Victorian Government must introduce new road safety initiatives to make it safer for commuters to choose two-wheeled vehicles.
“To achieve this, VACC proposes a designated system of “Safe Routes” with safety boxes, access by scooter riders to particular identified bicycle lanes on some city arterials, boxed turns on certain busy intersections, and initiatives to improve road-sharing practices by drivers.
“VACC agrees with the Prime Minister’s assertion that there is “no silver bullet” to solve the high fuel prices.
“However, we can’t simply throw our hands up. Australians, Australian business, and the economy, relies very heavily on road transport.
We must take some creative solutions if the price of fuel is not to cripple the country,” Mr Purchase said.
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May 31st, 2008 at 5:51 am
When are Australians going to stop BITCHEN and COMPLAINING about fuel costs.It is called life get over it.I run my car it uses petrol when it needs it I fill up and pay for it as easy as that,life is too short.And Mr Rudd you got Hitler and his SS front bench out dont worry about the fuelwatch leaks you will survive this.And Australians STOP BITCHEN about everything there are bigger problems out there.
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May 31st, 2008 at 8:03 am
im with ya gazza
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May 31st, 2008 at 9:26 am
Can’t be that difficult to determine what petrol/diesel should cost given that it fluctuates by 20 to 30 cents a litre in a week seemingly independent of what the crude price is.
It’s not a matter of whingeing it’s a case of complaining about the windfalls the oil companies are making from our hard earned.
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May 31st, 2008 at 9:36 am
everyone knows the oil companies are screwing us, its just now that its soooo excessive and varies so much in a week that people are over it, and we know its getting worse. doesnt australia have any oil reserves? big country and all. but i guess id be wrong to think if we did have any that wed get it cheaper, im sure it would all be shipped to china where the oil companies could make more profit while we kept getting it from middle east cause of oil company profits??
but maybe garrys right, easier to sit on the couch and just put up with it
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May 31st, 2008 at 9:47 am
I’m with Garry.
I’ve lived through 3 similar situations -
1973 Can’t quite remember how much it went up, but was about 4 fold. $2 to $8 per barrel I think.
1979 Price of oil rose from $10 per barrel to $40 per barrel
1991 Can’t remember barrel prices, but went from $.50 per litre to $.95 per litre just as I started a trip from Melb to Bris and return. Price went down again after this one.
Now. After MANY years of stable and cheap petrol, the price has not yet quadrupled and everyone is wailing like stuck pigs. Also, everyone is getting on the bandwagon for cheap press - VACC, RACV (which usually talks the price up) etc, etc.
Even the pathetic Liberal opposition thinks they are still the policymakers and the press reports every fart they let off, but thankfully they are not in power, as they would be proven to be clueless.
Are the Grocery companies responsible - partly, but not for the price of oil. They are only cashing in on massive gouging. Every dickhead still thinks there is a weekly discount cycle, where the price is so low they are losing money. THERE IS NO WEEKLY DISCOUNT CYCLE, only a WEEKLY GOUGING CYCLE. Wake up.
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May 31st, 2008 at 10:37 am
- It’s a worldwide problem, not a Victorian one.
- The majority of the oil produced in the world is produced by state-run companies (Gazprom, Aramco, Petrobras etc)
“VACC is concerned that there are few answers coming from Canberra. Where then, motorists might ask, is a considered resolution going to come from?” VACC Executive Director, David Purchase, said.
VACC of all entities should know that the government don’t solve problems, they create them. The free market will provide a solution, if it is allowed to. I’d be ashamed to be a member of VACC if they go wailing to government for assistance every time an arbitrary product’s cost increases.
Were they calling for the nationalisation of the Banana industry when Bananas went up to $25/kg a while ago?
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May 31st, 2008 at 10:39 am
Petrol and LPG will continue to be a rip off. We all know that oil companies run the world not governments. The Liberal party seem to blame Mr Rudd for the price increases but they did nothing when they were in power for those horrible 11 years. Why cant the government use our 7 billion budget surplus to subsidise the price of petrol or charge less for petrol made from Australian oil? Couldnt we oppen a petrol station that use only petrol made from Aussie oil and let people choose to buy it at a lower price? Then watch the prices tumble ……….
How much is a barrel of Aussie oil ?
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May 31st, 2008 at 10:54 am
Petrol prices?
Has everyone forgot our government schools which are falling apart and the abundance of carp teachers in the public sector?
Or the terrible state of the healthcare system.
Or more even more importantly, housing affordability. The price of houses is worse than petrol!
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May 31st, 2008 at 11:20 am
wheelstud,
that will never happen.
our government has guaranteed our oil producers “world oil prices”
if the government said they couldnt charge us as much, they would just export their oil to where they could get the good $$$ for it.
LPG on the other hand has no reason to see the price hikes that it has since the prices of LPG shouldnt be hinged on oil prices.
i remember when LPG started to lift from the 25c per litre level the taxi drivers were screaming and kicking because they were losing money.
so to shut up the main LPG Lobby group, they simply announced that fares were deregulated meaning they just simply pass it on to the passenger.
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May 31st, 2008 at 11:45 am
Come on australia
wake up…
the monopoly woolworths and coles has now in all comsumer goods including petrol must stop!!. We now have less choice in all products, this includes our food, consumer electronic’s and now petrol.
The govenment must act now to bring in anti trust laws similar to the US to stop these compamies controlling the prices on everything we buy e.g transport, meat, dairy proucts, bread, vegtables etc etc.
The voucher system is a con!!! it’s designed to get us to spent more money in their stores then buy their petrol, one rarely saves more than a dollar when using them.
Woolworths and Coles are now making vast profits on petrol on top of the oil companies.. VACC has some valid points.
Just check out the obscene profits these two companies made on petrol alone!!!
Avoid these companies in favour of the independants and lets try and break their hold on Australia..
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May 31st, 2008 at 11:55 am
jez as a student one of the most crippling things is petrol prices most students have to survive on around 200 dollars a fortnight it cost 70 dollars to fill the escort i do it once a week thats 140 dollars plus 40 for train tickets leaving 20 for my self every fortnight.
and then there family’s that have other expenses that have to survive on not much more that why people are bitching about it.
but i also have the vk and its on gas so fule isn’t a big one for me
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May 31st, 2008 at 12:30 pm
If the 38c excise was dropped leaving only the GST, then I wouldn’t complain. If this excise was spent on making better roads then I wouldn’t complain.
But it’s not, so I will.
Forget targeting oil companies.
Take a look at the taxes siphoned taken from our petrol dollars spent on frivolous perks like; fact-finding holidays to Bali, keeping refugees in a lifestyle our pensioners are envious of, or consultants who can advise where else the government can spend the surplus on besides the roads.
Sitting back and taking it (garry) is what the Jews did in 1939…
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May 31st, 2008 at 1:10 pm
the government makes too much money from the excise to drop it over night.
if they do drop the 3c per litre GST on the tax,
then thet is 1 billion in lost revenue for them.
if they drop the excise, then that is 13.5 billion of revenue for them.
you might say so what if they get less, but in the way the government works, if they dont get it on the fuel, they will just shift it to something else.
what im saying is the government wont take a revenue cut, and you arent yet life hardened if you think other wise.
what ever they drop off the fuel, will simply be thrown on something else
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May 31st, 2008 at 1:16 pm
“Why cant the government use our 7 billion budget surplus to subsidise the price of petrol or charge less for petrol made from Australian oil? ”
If the government could do this, a better investment would be alternative fuel or fuel efficient technologies. Oil will only continue to rise in cost, investing in making it cheaper will only serve the short term.
The aussie oil idea, just isn’t workable. Keep in mind oil is priced on demand & production rates. Given the size of available fields in Australia, and given Australia’s current rate of consumption. You’d probably only last 10-15 years before having to import again. Then what do you do?? Do you think making the price cheaper would make people more efficient with their consumption to make it go further?? Nope!
Gary’s right, if you don’t like the price. Buy a smaller car, and thats just what people are doing. The sales figures speak for themselves. Then spare a thought drivers in London who saw prices hit over $2.30AUD already this year!
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May 31st, 2008 at 1:37 pm
lazy bones as a guy who owns a small car were i live there not cheap to run my car used more fuel when it was standard than it dose now out here a b ig six is more fule efficiant than a four pot
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May 31st, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Anyone in Perth city, noticed that petrol seems to be finishing faster than before? Not just in my head, my classmates and housemate noticed it too.
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May 31st, 2008 at 6:32 pm
Remember the last time there was a massive upsurge in small car sales? Only a matter a time before that happens again!
Woo hoo!!! CA uses Aussie servo pics again! And a pic of of our favourite bowser nozzle for the beloved Golf GTI, BP Ultimate! That’s costing us nearly $1.70/litre atm, but hey, we didn’t over commit ourselves on our mortgage, let alone everything else!
What’s the go with the CA site? This Word Press error page keeps coming up! CA you need a better host!
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May 31st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
I can’t believe how deluded most of the people here are.
Petrol is a finite resource, if you believe in CO2 induced global warming it is killing the planet as well. The price of oil is $130+ a barrel and is going to hit $200 sooner or later. Why? Supply and demand. Demand is passing supply.
And what sort of answers do we get here?
Sell Australian oil dirt cheap.
Cut taxes
Blame the oil companies, Supermarkets or Govt
The blame is with car drivers. Ever thought of buying a smaller or more fuel efficient car? A Honda Jazz will use a third of the fuel of many Commodores or SUVs and have more room then a family car of the ‘60 or ‘70
But Noooo, everyone here wants to have the latest Turbo 4WD 200kw barnstormer.
Look in the mirror for the answer guys.
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May 31st, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Have a thought for the farmers.
It’s terrible out here. Lucky we still get a subsidy from the government on our diesel, but thats only .38c a litre.
And as if it’s not hard enough to put the crop in with high fertilizer prices. They’ve tripled in 5 years.
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June 1st, 2008 at 2:39 am
Remember oil drives everything, it goes up , PT goes up, food prices go up, airflights go up, everything goes up. Like the government, corporations do not want to lose revenue even if they are making billions, as you know why in regards to who will be in the firing line, so they will adjust prices accordingly.
SamR hits the spot, its finite, but… remember Australia is a obese country, smaller cars tend to be uncomfortable to the larger lot unlike Europe, so there a limit to how far we can push the small car notion. The only real path to take is alternative energy, but will the oil companies let it take over when they are making a nice mint?? … its only until when the oil runs dry (or to a point where its unfeasible to society/themselves) the oil companies will appreciate going out of the oil route.
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June 1st, 2008 at 12:53 pm
There is only one way and we in Australia have the answer. That is we need to get Holden and Ford to make engines that are specifically designed for LPG. Not what Ford does, which is to adapt a petrol engine for LPG. If LPG is selling for 70 cents at the servos and people start to buy LPG engined cars, how long do you think the petrol companies will take to lower their prices. The Governments needs to keep a close eye on the price of LPG so that it does not creep up in price as it seems to have been doing over the last 12 months.
Remembering that Australia has (almost) an endless supply of LPG.
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June 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pm
SamR Says:
May 31st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
The blame is with car drivers. Ever thought of buying a smaller or more fuel efficient car? A Honda Jazz will use a third of the fuel of many Commodores or SUVs and have more room then a family car of the ‘60 or ‘70
If you want to drive around in a little shit box SamR that is your choice. I am going to keep my UAV, oops SUV and petrol will need to become much more expensive before I choose otherwise.
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June 1st, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Spitfire says
“If you want to drive around in a little shit box SamR that is your choice. I am going to keep my UAV, oops SUV and petrol will need to become much more expensive before I choose otherwise.”
You hit the nail on the head Spitfire. Petrol usage is largely and I really mean largely a discretionary expense. All most all people can easily, very easily reduce their personal usage dramatically. BUT WE DON’T WANT TO.
So stop complaining and pay up. Which in all fairness is many peoples attitude.
Petrol should be increased in price, not decreased and therefore putting a huge drag on the budget.
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June 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
It might take 2 hours for some lawyer in Canberra to rewrite current legistlation so that we no longer get charged GST on the excise. That’s a tax on a tax, which is just wrong.
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June 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Michael, it is more complicated then that. The GST revenue goes to the states and being all Labor governed they spend all their money like drunken sailors.
The states do not want to go without the tax on a tax money. So for the tax to go the federal Govt will have to spend a couple of Billion dollars in compensation.
Wouldn\’t you rather have a tax cut or more money spent on health rather then rewarding people most who drive the most?
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June 1st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Mmmmmmmmmmmm……………..Rudd’s petrol plan hasnt worked! Has it? Its bloody ridicolous, ill reckon it will reach 2 dollars a litre before Chritsmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOT HAPPY RUDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I heard on the news they may bring petrol prices down (a little) but rise the price of food!
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June 1st, 2008 at 10:39 pm
Duck do you honestly think Rudd is responsible for the crude oil price hitting $130US a barrel?
The only impact of fuelwatch is either bringing down the price by a few cents or increasing it by a few cents (depending on which political party you believe) which is bugger all in the great scheme of things.
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June 1st, 2008 at 11:14 pm
We have TWO Peuget 307 XS HDi Tourings (his and hers)
Get at least 1100 klms per 60 liter tank on the highway - love the diesel torque.
Many years ago my Duel Fuel XD Falcon Ute would cost less than $10 to fill up at 18.9 cents/litre and would get 300 klms regards of highway or round Brisbane use. Now LPG is 81 cents/litre. Beats me why we sell (I reckon we should say give away) our CNG gas resources to Asia. If we used it in our modified vehicles - we could reduce our dependancy on oil big time and have better emmisions, use our own resources for ourselves for once!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 6:55 am
with you all the way MArly dude. My elderly 406 diesel has just done 1104kms on 72 litres in commuter traffic. stop start, crawl and all that. I only fill up 13times a year. Fabulous.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 7:10 am
get real you guys, I live with one of the most expensive fuel rates in the world (UK). Fuel prices are never going to go down, live with it. Get sensible…drive more economical cars. Commies and Falcons are dinosaurs in a world where people want cheaper to run things. Ford know it but Holden seems to have their heads up their arses. LPG is the way to go short term.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 8:03 am
See, it’s one thing to say we’re all a bunch of whining idiots that are complaining about not so high fuel prices.
But when you have been paying a reasonable amount for fuel in the past, then all of a sudden it has jumped $1 in 10 years (about 160%) compared to being 30 cents a litre in the late 70’s, up to 60 cents a litre in the late 90’s. It doesn’t really matter how much fuel is around the world.
In the UK fuel is more expensive, but so is your cost of living with everything. But to help out, your wages are better too. But what would happen when you are used to paying what you currently pay, and it’s gone up slowly over the last 30 years, with the latter 5 it also jumps 160%?
Yes, you’d still be paying more for it than we Aussies do. But that’s what you’re used to. Someone in another country where fuel might be even higher will think the same of you as you do for us right now.
It’s all relative. The price isn’t the issue. It’s the speed at which it has gone up. It took 25 years to go up 20 cents. Now all of a sudden it’s gone up $1 from then.
I’m happy paying up to about $2/L for fuel. It’ll happen. End of the year I reckon. It doesn’t bother me all that much. What does bother me is that it isn’t going up slowly so everyone can adjust. One day it’s a $1.40/L the next day it’s a $1.83/L
There’s nothing stopping it from jumping the same amount tomorrow. $2.20/L anyone?
Crazy to think that it’s going to cost that Ford Focus $150 or more to fill up. The crazy part isn’t the price. It’s that it can happen very soon.
SteveC
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:15 am
Gents,
Let’s remove the emotion from this issue. Let’s consider the following:
1. Higher fuel prices send out the signals to consumers to either use less fuel and/or drive something which is more suitable for their needs. Here in Melbourne, there is a multitude of SUVs (4 wheel drives).
2. The Oil speculators have contributed to higher prices
3. The cost of refining crude is expensive
4. We have the 4th cheapest fuel in the OECD
5. US drivers have finally received a wake-up call after being generally apathetic since the first oil shock and before
6. The higher price encourages the development of alternatives. That is, we don’t need to be held at ransom by the Oil Industry
7. Yes, drivers need to stop wingeing and take responsibility for what they drive. If you like V8s, be prepared for the costs. We all have choices.
8. We need some politicians who have some vision to promote the development of alternative energy (yes, gas from NW Shelf for eg) instead of token ideas like reducing GST on excise and other spin. Both parties need to address this.
9. I think that people have become addicted to cheap money, too, where they are now discovering that they are living beyond their means. Eg, buying cars by drawing on the equity in their homes.
10. Remember that depreciation is the major expense of car ownership. Unfortunately, petrol, which is the most visible cost, is the easy target.
11. Higher fuel taxes were introduced to the Europeans many years ago. Look at how they have responded! Energy efficiency and quality. Look at the German brands. There is a silver lining in higher fuel prices. (The less said about the US automotive industry, the better… and US Politicians, too,,, Big Oil influences/lobbying)
Anyway, these are just a few quick notes. I must do some work now!!
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June 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I reckon its not the increase which people are most upset about… we all accept it in our ways..
Its the volatility at the pumps which I think gets peoples’ goat.. I mean, what if stations filled up (refilled) once a week at a rate - say $ X.. If until they needed to refil again, the price didnt move - we would accept it.. Its the fact that Oil increases and before the station owner is able to open his doors, the per litre price jumps immediately… I would be happier if the station purchased the fuel, set a price and we paid that.. Then next week if it went up, he puts the price up a few cents (whatever) to cover that increase - and so on… Yes, it will inevitably incease over time - but least we dont end up queuing for 25 mins on A Tuesday to save between 10 - 15c…
I drive 2 V8s and accept fuel increases as part of that purchase decision.. I just hate seeing the volatility on a daily basis everytime I drive past the same petrol station.
Of course, the government are not to blame for the price - HOWEVER, we all agree they tax the shit out of it!! Why would they WANT to help us by subsidising or removing the tax on tax etc… Cause they make SOOOO much money from it… It SHOULD come back to us by way of improved roads etc etc - but that is debatable…..
My only beef with comments above “buy a smaller car” etc… I am a regular reader of this web site/forum becuase I love cars..I love newer technology (even smaller, ecomomical alternative) - but above all else, I love performance of cars… If we ALL end up driving a Prius - why bother???
One issue, we could all debate for years and get nowhere.
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June 2nd, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Potential discussion topic???
Why can’t an Australia wide petrol price be considered, in the same way postage prices are the same. Therefore delivery charges would be absorbed by everyone, country and city prices would be the same and cost of travel would be even for everyone…..
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June 2nd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
By the way, I share the same belief as Stephen.
Higher fuel price can only lead to long term benefits. Whether they be more economical cars, cleaner/greener fuel sources, cleaner air and all other resulting environmental benefits.
The price of fuel is based around demand and Greed. Remove the demand, the price will drop.
Whoever invents the next MAJOR fuel source for the automtive world will be the next Bill Gates.
I’m not talking Gas, or Hybrids or electrics….
If there are watches that can be powered through contact with the human body, imagine what potentially lies ahead!!??
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June 2nd, 2008 at 9:47 pm
I don’t see a huge problem with high petrol prices.
OK just imagine petrol hits $5 a litre,Will the world end? No.
Everyone will car pool, use public transport, walk or buy a very fuel efficient car or do all of them.
All you “large” people who “need” a big car will suddenly fit quite well in a Honda Jazz.
By the way, at $5 a litre for petrol other technologies may provide cheaper transport. Suddenly an electric car with a 150km range starts to look very attractive.
I look forward to it.
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June 4th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Stephen hit the nail on the head. Well put mate.
“Whoever invents the next MAJOR fuel source for the automtive world will be the next Bill Gates.”
I used to work in Oil Exploration. I can tell you Oil is not just fuel, its power. The power to buy as many alternative fuel patents as you need!
Notice how the future is split into
Plug in electric or Hydrogen. My money is on plug in electric, because its the only viable solution which breaks the strong hold the oil companies have.
With hydrogen,they still plan to drag you to a station to fill up!! hmmmm do you think the price will suddenly become stable again???
Yes you could produce your own hydrogen at home. But its so expensive and far off, not to mention its a seriously volatile gas which burns without a visible flame.
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June 4th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
Re Comments about fuel and diesel:
well, I admit I have never been worried about fuel/diesel price until yesterday, after I know how much tax is imposed to the pump price.
Each time you pay for fuel, do you think how much you’re paying in tax? For example:
Pump price: 150.9 Cents per litre, (cheapeat in Melbourne today)
Volume purchased: 50 Litres
Total cost: $75.45
***Tax: $25.91!!!!!
Getting rid of tax will give 99.08Cents per litre.
So Rudd, instead of spending extra millions of dollars on fuel watch, why don’t you loose the tax on fuel. I was so blinded to blame the world oil market, but I was wrong. It’s the goverment! I guess the same story can be easily applied to diesel, which is more than 20cents dearer than petrol!
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June 4th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Lazybones don’t tell us you fell for the conspiracy theories that there are great alternatives to oil being suppressed by the oil companies?
There are NO GOOD alternatives to oil yet. NONE, No one is hiding anything.
Re Comments about fuel and diesel:
Are you serious weirluo? Do you realise how much of a hole removing the tax on petrol will make, HUGE. Why should people who are frugal and don’t drive much pay for people how want big cars and drive for fun?
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June 5th, 2008 at 9:29 am
SamR, I am serious, if you are not kidding.
we have a huge surplus, I don’t see why the relief on fuel need to be covered by somewhere else. perhaps not completely removing it, but some relief or gradually.
and in fact, the extra cost on fuel is nothing to me. and I didn’t really suggest removing the fuel tax completely, but more tried to tell the fuel tax fact. I am happy to pay tax, but when there is a big surplus, I want the money back, coz I do pay a lot of tax every year!
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June 5th, 2008 at 9:59 am
“Lazybones don’t tell us you fell for the conspiracy theories that there are great alternatives to oil being suppressed by the oil companies?”
Dah dah daaarrrrr, errr no not quite. If your park the environmental issues to the side for just one second. You suddenly realise what the oil/Energy companies do makes perfect business sense. For example look at whos sponsoring the sliver technology, there are some excellent alternatives out there. But they quickly get snapped up by the energy sector. It makes sense to protect your investment until the market is ready. Whats upsetting is all our attempts to reduce emissions are wiped out because of gas flaring. If oil majors fixed this, we\’d all be better off. Its a total waste of energy, but they do it because tapping it off is not cost effective.
No conspiracy, but your comment reminded me of that line in the movie cars
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June 16th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Oil, electricity, and water are the 3 biggest bargains in any life, and at ANY price - but they will never be appreciated.
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