QLD Driver Licence New Rules Learners P Plates July 2007
January 9, 2007 by Alborz Fallah
The Phase one of the new QLD Driver Licence Laws comes into affect mid this year and so far there has been a great deal of confusion about the new laws. Previously this topic generated over 200 comments when it was posted here. So it was time to give it a new and fresh face with updated data and some actual facts from QLD transport.
The first phase will take effect from 1 July 2007 and includes:
- new requirements and conditions for obtaining and holding a learner licence
- new requirements for motorbike learner licence applicants
- new requirements and conditions for obtaining and holding a provisional licence
New learner licence
Changes for Queensland learner licence holders aged under 25 years of age include:
- Lowering the minimum age of obtaining a learner licence to 16 but lengthening the requirement to hold a learner licence to 12 months (currently 6 months). Learner licences will be valid for 3 years at no extra cost
- Gaining 100 hours of supervised on-road driving experience recorded and certified in a logbook, including 10 hours of night driving experience
- A ban on using a mobile phone, including the hands-free function
- A ban on supervisors and passengers using a mobile phone with a loudspeaker function
Changes for Queensland learner licence holders aged 25 years and over include:
- holding a learner licence for a minimum 12 month period (currently 6 months)
- the learner licence being valid for 3 years
- encouraging the learner driver to gain 100 hours of on-road driving experience (not mandatory)
Motorbike learner licence applicants (all ages):
- must hold a provisional car licence (class C/CA provisional licence) for 12 months prior to obtaining a motorbike learner licence (class RE)
- 100 hours recorded in a logbook
Before we move onto QLD transports justifications for the new laws, lets have a think about some of the above laws for a second. Firstly the 12 month learners period is not exactly a bad idea, but the 100 hours of driving training is a little steep. If you do not have a car to practice on, having 100 hours of recorded and logged driving lessons will mean that you will need 100 hours of driving. QLD transport says that it is willing to count the first 10 hours of driving lessons with a driving instruction as 30 hours, so for every 1 hour you are accredited 3 hrs. But that is only for the first 10 hours. The other 70 hours you will need to either do in your own car or pay for with a driving instructor. So if you don’t have you own car, it will cost you 80 hours of lessons, or at a cost of $40/hr = $3,200. QLD transport says that exceptions maybe given to those who can show why they should be except from this, whilst they come up with a support plan.
What will this lead to? Personally I think for those who have access to a parent or guardians car it will lead to a lot of “fake” recorded hours, and for those who don’t it will be a huge discouragement to gain their license. QLD transport says that any falsified log book records will be handed back with a penalty, but what I want to know, is how can they know what is and what is not falsified!? They simply can’t. So go ahead, ask your friends for some ‘lessons‘.
So lets move onto the mobile phones problem, a ban on mobile phones has been around for some time, but a ban on hands free is set to be introduced. Banning hands free bluetooth kits shows one very simply thing. QLD transport has no idea about technology.
QLD police are going to have a tough time trying to spot little bluetooth headsets in the left ear of P plater drivers. Furthermore, what about inbuilt bluetooth car kits? Not good. In otherwords you better not even talk when you are in the car since the police will give you a ticket as you might have been on your phone. In fact, you better not even sing along to your favourite song since that might get you booked.
What is even more ridiculous is the ban on speaker phones by passengers in a P plater car! I dont understand how there is a difference between talking to your passenger in a car, or talking to someone else over speaker phone which your passenger
is holding? After all, talking is talking isnt it? Would QLD government prefer all P platers to simply just not talk at all when they are driving? Perhaps new rules will require all P platers to have to cover their mouths as well? Absolutely ridiculous.
So now the log book,
What exactly do you have todo in the log book?
- Learner licence holders will be required to accrue and record their supervised driving experience, including 10 hours of mandatory night driving, in the logbook. (So 90hrs of day driving and 10hrs of night)
- Each entry must be verified by the supervising driver (from what I can gather, an Open license holder who has had their license for over a year is able “verify” this).
How will the logbook be used?
- Following completion, the logbook will be checked carefully and recorded by Queensland Transport. This must be completed before a learner driver can undertake a practical driving test. The logbook will be stored by Queensland Transport and may be used for research and evaluation purposes.
Can you get out of using a logbook, e.g. if you don’t have access to a car in the family to practice with?
- No word on this yet, QLD transport says information regarding exemptions will be available closer to 1 July 2007.
Where do you get an approved logbook from and how much will it cost?
- Logbooks will be available from Queensland Transport and licence issuing agencies. There will be a charge for the logbook to cover the cost of administering the logbook system. The cost and further information will be available closer to 1 July
2007.
What happens if I lose my logbook?
- You will be required to re-enter the details in a new logbook and have each entry certified by the supervising driver or driver trainer.
What happens if the information in the logbook is falsified by either the learner driver or the supervisor?
- Penalties will apply for falsifying logbooks.
What happens if I can’t access a supervisor and or a vehicle?
- Queensland Transport is currently investigating a range of programs to support learner drivers. Exemptions on a case by case basis will be available until the proposed support program for young drivers is in place.
What if I use a driver trainer?
- Each one hour of on-road experience with an accredited driver trainer will count as 3 hours of onroad experience, up to a maximum of 10 hours.
- Learners may undertake more than 10 hours with an accredited trainer however any accredited driver
training over the initial 10 hours will be counted hour for hour towards the required logged hours.
What happens if I’m a learner driver aged over 25 years of age?
- It is not mandatory you complete the logbook, however you are encouraged to gain 100 hours of onroad experience.
- A learner licence must be held for a minimum of 12 months.
What will happen to learner drivers who obtained their licence before 1 July 2007?
- Transitional arrangements will apply for learner drivers issued with a licence prior to this date.
- If a learner licence is renewed after 1 July 2007, the new rules will apply.
- It will not be necessary to complete a logbook if a learner licence was obtained before 1 July 2007, and
you do not have to renew your learner licence before passing a practical driving test.
L Plates
Am I still required to display L plates?
Yes. All learner licence holders must currently display an L plate on the front and rear of the vehicle
or cop a $120 fine. The L plate should measure at least 146mm by 146mm and show a black upper case letter ‘L’ clearly marked on a yellow background. There is no requirement for the sign to be reflective.
Mobile Phones
What are the new restrictions to mobile phone use?
To minimise distraction for young drivers under 25 years of age, learner licence holders can not use a mobile phone at any time while driving, including the use of hands free kits and blue tooth accessories.
Why are these changes being introduced?
Young drivers are at greater risk of distraction than more experienced drivers. Banning mobile phone use for learner drivers removes the potential for distraction.
Can supervisors or passengers use a mobile phone?
Supervisors and passengers of learner drivers under 25 years of age are prohibited from using a phone that is on loudspeaker but can use a hand held or hands free mobile phone where only a one-way conversation can occur and not distract the driver.
What happens if the young driver, passenger, or supervisor breaches the mobile phone restriction?
A penalty will apply. Details will be determined closer to the implementation date.
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Okay so not that you’ve read all the BS from QLD transport, lets make some sense of it all.
I still have to start with my favourite, the Mobile phone load speaker and bluetooth ban. So now that you can’t use your phone and your friend next to you can’t put it on loud speaker so that you can hear it, your friend becomes the loud speaker. He is now the middle man who will talk for you, you tell him what you want to say and he will say it and then give you the response that he recieved, sounds stupid? It is.
My biggest recommendation is that all of you who are eligable to get your learners before July 2007, todo so NOW. don’t put it of any longer, get your learners now! And for those of you still on your learners get your license before July, just go and do it, It will save you a lot of headache come July!
I am keen to see what these new programs that are set to support young drivers that cant afford to pay $3,200 simply to get the 100 hour of log book training are going to be! I am hoping that QLD transport will provide cars for drivers to borrow free of cost, or perhaps create a defensive driving course scheme whereby young drivers can choose to undergo a few defensive driving courses which will count as sufficient experience to get their license.
The thing that annoys me the most is the exception for drivers over 25 to not have to undergo the 100 hour log booking. I can see a lot of 20+ adults who currently dont hold license will see this as an easy way to simply just wait till they are 25 than go for their license. These laws are discrimination against young drivers. These rules need to apply to all or none.
All in all these laws are set to make life hell for young drivers and I wish all of you the best of luck. But do not worry, there are people like us who are writing and complaining and doing as much as we can to let the government know these new laws will not save any lives. For the parents of kids reading this thinking these laws are a great idea, perhaps you should go and retake your driving test after these new laws come into affect, and don;t be surprised when you fail.
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hi,
My friend moved to QLD for about 9 months without a licence of any sort. He also lost his NSW P’s licence before he moved up there.
He then ,moved back with his full (black) licence.
Is this still possible?
Or are the new rules excluding this from july…?
thanks
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Yo!
i have my Red P’s down in NSW.
but im probably moving up to QLD with the next couple of months.
im just wondering what the laws are for P platers in QLD?
since coming here i have barely seen any P plates. are you REQUIRED to show your P plates up here?
i also have msn if anyone wants to reply to me there.
paulayisnot@hotmail.com
These new rules are ridiculous what ever happened to a free dam country i bet the fools who set these rules would have been mad if they had to go thru this crap when getting there lisence like they where any better when they where young thank god i got my ps b4 i had to put a big P for PICK and tale gate me sign all over my dam windows
het everone ok i need to no ok i turned 16 and 6 months on the first of july i just wanted to no wat do i do am i under the new laws or is there something else plz answere me
I have a question,
is there a rule that you have to have your learners for 2 years before you are able to go for your N?
yeh im getting my l’s in a few days i need to know wat im allowed: 4cilender v6,v8
i’m currently a 16 year old on the new laws and will be going for my p’s in a couple of weeks time. yes the experience i have gained through time has helped me a lot yet, that is the only thing about the laws i agree with. the rest is something i want to experience myself. i would be better off learning the hard way because that is really the only way people actually learn. at the moment, my family only has 2 cars, a camry my parents uses frequently and a turbo’d skyline my older brother owns. what am i to do if i were late for something important like education? catch the unreliable bus service brisbane operates? they should exempt p platers who are in my position.
What i really need to know is if i can get out of having to keep my leaners for 12 months. Gaining 100hrs is absolutely no problem at all, i live about 30+km from the university im attending and REALLY need my license ASAP as fuel will be costing me a fortune and i get paid very little (i only just turned 18).
the only reason i didn’t get it sooner was that it cost too much.
If any1 has any info advice that’d be great.
Hey guys and girls,
my understanding of it is that if you have your licence before the changes then you are sweet (unless your on your L’s) if you have to sit something to get your licence (L-P) then you will fall under the new system (sorry it sucks agreed)
As for power of cars, at the moment if your finnishing your p’s this year i think you can own a V8/turbo, however my understanding of it for my licence (aquired 06) i am not allowed to own a V8 or Turbo car regardless of engine size. the strange thing was at the time there was no restriction as to the type of car you could be a learner on :S so i was taught to drive in a V8 SS …. go figure now im stuck in a commodore exec (still a good car)
The new laws about restrictions on P-Platers do not apply to those who already hold one (they are not retrospective) I also agree that they are ridiculous and extreemly badly thought out and executed. However i think if we all look at mid to late 06 we can probably see what has brought in some of the restrictions on number of people in P-plate cars after 11pm. i dont condone it… however it might prevent you from loosing 4 friends instead of 2.
I do however believe that the QTD should subsidise advanced/defensive driver training and make it a manditory requirement before you can get your p’s. i think this would be far more effective than the current shock and horror ad’s on TV. it would certainly be an unusually pro-active step on their behalf.
all the best
Jimmy
SO i can dirve a honda civic type R NON TURBO that has 220kw at the wheels and cant drive a honda city 800cc turbo 88kw? WTFFFFFFFFFF DUMB SHIIIIIITTSSSSSS
Nope, cant drive that one. On your P’s you cant drive any car with more than 200kw. You can drive a turbo-diesel but not a petrol turbo or supercharged car.
hey i was just wondering. i heard that if you get your learners before the 1st of july 07 then you only have to do 60 hours in your log book. is this true?
Can a P Plater who is under 18 carry two family member whose age are under 10 year old drive a Pajero without other experienced driver’s company at 6:20pm in Queensland?
You can’t drive V8’s on your l’s
oh really, that sucks. i was under the impression that you could drive any type of car on your L’s as you are supervised by an experianced driver. That it was when you are on your P’s when you have spercific restictions, because that is the period when you are the most vulnerable.
Hey I would really appreciate anyone’s help on this! Kind of urgent. I got my learner’s licence on the 29-06-07 and JUST avoided the new laws!
I haven’t got my P’s yet and my current Learners expires on the 28-06-08 (yes, next Saturday).
I was wondering if anyone could tell me the following..
If I renew my licence before 28-06 as required, do I stay on the old laws? I’m presuming I don’t. But the new laws require me to hold my Learners for 1 year before gaining my P’s. Now does the time I’ve held my previous L’s for count still as holding this licence for a year? Or when I renew my licence do I basically have to start over on the new laws and hold this new licence for a year? I’ve tried asking so many people and no one seems to understand what I want to know! I hope someone can help me.. I was even told by a friend that when I go to renew my learners, I will have to resit the Learners test and pay the fee again. Is this true?? Can somone please clear this up for me?? Thank you! Leisa.
Hey i got my automatic licence before the new rules came out. If i wanted to get my manual licence soon would i have to do the log book or would i skip that.
THanks dj
hey, i wanted to know can i send my lof book away before i turn 17 and have the 100 hours or do i gave to be 17 to send it away. thank you
In Victoria they have a Three year P plate system. Years 2,3 we are on green P’s. Does Queensland have a three year system. I am 2 years in to this system and have lost work because i am still on P’s but for more than 1 year. UNFAIR! I am 36 yr old greenie (Rode bike everywhere).
I plan to take a job in Queensland and will require a full lisence. Will i be able to get one since i have served 12 months on red P plates or will i be rolled over to P’s since i am technically on P’s now?
Educated responces sought.
I’m going for mine next week- unfortunately those weird, new laws apply to me and agree with your points made regarding mobile phone usage. I also agree with the descrimination against drivers under 25 years of age: There are many immature and irresponsible people who drive and are over 25 years, probably no less than there are under 25, so whoever came up with that seems to me that they clearly don’t pay attention to the world themselves; nor are they under 25 and are immature and irresponsible themselves. (Very frustrated about that one).
I believe that if the government wants us to better drivers, then they should provide free/cheap/special driving lessons and courses with accredited instructors- who they can guarantee will do a good job. The newspaper recently reported that they will be doing something along the lines of this, but nothing is concreted yet.
to vic lad, for over 25′S in Qld you only have to have your green P lic for 1 year and then go to full licence. You should be able to go to Qld Transport when you get here and transfer your vic licence for an open Qld. licence. I am a driving instructor so is that educated enough for you.
$40 for a 1 hour lesson in queensland? geez maybe I should go there for driving lessons! I’ve done at least 50 hours with a driving instructor, if the same rule of the first 10 hours with a driving instructor counted as 1 hour amounting for 3, I’d technically have 80 hours also I’m shelling out $60 for 1 45 minute lesson every week and have been doing do for the last year! so complaining it’s expensive or whgatever don’t complain! those of us in NSW that don’t have help have no choice but to shell out for a driving instructor!
im 17 and am a learner. it is bullshit that people born before the date new laws came in only had to do 60 hours! i think its bullshit altogether. government sucks! no wonder many people dont have there licenses. too much hassle
hi i was wondering if im on my learners and i am driving a car that has three seats in the front is it iligeal if i have a mate plus my mum in the passenger seat while i drive? also what happens to my learners if i get cuaght speeding or breaking the rules. do i loose my learners?
my dad still has a british driving license – does he qualify as a valid supervising driver or does he need to renew his license to a queensland licence before the hours i have driven with him count?
p.s. he is not required to renew his license to a queensland license to be able to drive.
Ok got the engine laws down pat but heard a rumour about other modifications, ie buying a 4WD that has been raised, what other mods have been targeted for cars & 4WD, if any ie lowering ect.
Cheers Dad
Heres a warning for parents. If you are taking your child for a practical driving test on the Gold Coast, you need to use a driving school car. If you use your own car, the child will be faild four times, and pass only on their fifth attempt.
We were told of this fact by a number of my daughters friends, it was also confirmed by two driving schools here on the coast. One of my daughters friends has failed three times – her parents cant afford to use a driving school car (has had 12 lessons though and completed her log book). Her confidence has been destroyed and she will no longer get behind the wheel….at all. Also noted was the inconsistency between assessors. The girl was failed on her second attempt for “clutch cruising” which was not picked up on her first or third attempt. Be very careful of what these “assessors” are doing to your kids please.
I consider the discrimination of young people(predominantly) by introducing laws that do not apply to other drivers as ridiculous. These same young people are the ones who are expected to fight our wars for us and pay taxes to fund older peoples retirement. They do not deserve to be punished in this way. Sure, there is a minority of young people who cause accidents by driving irresponsibly but there are also many older people who are a danger on our roads.
I am all for equality! Same rules for everyone! Tell your local politician if you agree.