Toyota Camry best-selling Australian-made car
27 May, 2008
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Many would assume the honor of being crowned Australia’s best-selling locally-produced car would be a photo finish between the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon.
However according to figures released today by Toyota, the best-selling Australian-made car is in fact the humble Camry sedan.
A record 111,891 Camry sedans were produced last year at Toyota’s Altona plant in Melbourne’s west making it the only Australian built car to exceed annual production of 100,000 vehicles.
From this total, less than a quarter actually found their way into Australian households with over 85,500 being exported and sold in more than 20 countries.
Despite this, the total local sales of 26,300 vehicles still made the Camry the country’s best-selling mid-size car – more than doubling its nearest rival.
Now Toyota has added to the appeal of its four-cylinder Camry range with the new Ateva L special-edition model, which features more than $2000 of equipment for no extra cost.
This special-edition model will feature leather seats and door trim, 17-inch alloy wheels, a lip spoiler and badging whilst retaining the same $33,750 price tag as the standard Ateva.
Toyota has also made a running upgrade to the Camry Grande, adding 17-inch alloy wheels as standard with no change to the $39,990 price tag.
The Toyota Camry is the only four-cylinder car produced in Australia and has been our best selling mid-size car for the past 14 years.
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May 27th, 2008 at 10:36 pm
everyone is going to now complain how bad the camry is, but the real difference is in the marketing. the camry has such a reputation built, that all the next models may as well be the current one with different bumpers and the public would not care. take for instance, my uncle was in the car market this week for a mid-size car, and without even looking at competition such as the mondeo or mazda6, he went straight out and brought a camry. the reason he said was that his last one was economical. This just shows that even thought the current one is not that economical at all, people belief systems lead them straight to the camry without a second thought…and toyota couldn’t be happier
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Agree Toyota marketing genius and a family sized car with a four potter in current petrol climate.
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
Hmm, Toyota Camry Grande, or G6 Falcon? Falcon it is.
This is very heavy on fuel for what it is. A falcon uses 10.5 as a 5spd, that drops to 10.1 with the 6spd and a camry would have no hope of having the same performance as the falcon. Rip off in my opinion. As Pg said, a triumph of marketing. I test drove a G6 last week, impressive driving it, your given the impression its a much more expensive car. These Camry’s are as sluggish as a ride on lawn mower.
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
hideously ugly car, boring to drive, even the handbrake is on the wrong side, disgusting interior. I’d die happy if i never saw another one.
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Surely you are not stating that a bunch of you know more about the car compared to the masses out there that go and buy it.
All those people would ‘want’ to know what they are getting into , I mean you’d think that would be the case as they hand out their hard earnt money.
And for anyone who even tries to bring in the whole, oh you don’t support Aussies rah rah, this car is proof that Toyota means a hell of a lot more than Holden and Ford. All those jobs, the good sales figures and the good aftersales support.
Like it or not, your statements won’t even matter because you simply cannot deny the facts.. which are given in this topic.
Do go on and rant though ,makes for good amusement whenever I come to have a read here.
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 11:28 pm
I think the crucial difference with the fuel economy is the camry is inherently gutless (compared to other similarly sized and slightly larger cars), therefore if you drive a little more aggressively, the fuel economy doesn’t shoot up as muc has if the car had 2 more cylinders.
Agree with other views that this car is not the best thing to to look at, sorta makes me cringe when i see the front of one of them, although the back end is alright, and the “sporty” variants with the side skirts also look a little better.
I hope the next model will be a little more enticing visually.
Also I also know of someone much like the person described by Pg, a father of a work colleague of mine recently upgraded their car to a new toyota camry and they are as proud as punch of it. They didn’t consider any other manufacturers when I asked about it, in fact they were particularly apprehensive about one, but I won’t say more because I don’t want to be inciting another flame war.
Maybe we should agree to keep the flaming in the rav4 v6 thread :P
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 11:35 pm
Yeah, I know like people who have bought Camrys and are very arrogant about their choice and can be very obnoxious about it. Seem to feel they have made a superior choice and the rest of us are idiots for not doing same.
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
For me, the most offensive-looking and mis-shapen Camry ever was replaced by this, the least-offensive looking, in my opinion.
The current models look classy in a solidly chubby looking way. The only thing is, as many of us already know, they’re not particularly economical. Therefore, they seem a bit pointless against the Aurion, unless purchase price was the absolute reckoner.
Vote:May 27th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
The majority of these sales are probably fleet. IMO that doesnt mean it’s the best car in it’s class.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Aurion front looks better too.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 12:38 am
Not a bad effort, but wait for it ….wheres the diesel version. The 2.2d would go really well in this and fill Toyotas gap in the market.
Also I want a wagon…where is it please. No i don’t want a fuel ineficient 4WD.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:33 am
This is proof that Australia is full of boring, soulless people. There are far better mid-sized cars about than this.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:10 am
The Camry was never designed to be anything but a humble mid-sized family transporter and has satisfied it’s purpose perfectly.
While many competitors over the years have come and gone, the Camry has stood the ‘Test Of Time’ and continues to soldier on while many others have fallen by the wayside.
How many examples has Ford thrown at it and failed … !!
How many examples has Holden thrown at it and failed … !!
Even the Mitsubishi Magna has failed … !!
The Camry is one car over the years that has maintained consistancy and in that time has earned a robust reputation for trouble-free motoring.
Quality, reliability, dependability and durability has always been a consistant mainstay for the Camry which is why it continues to sell strong today.
People quote that the Camry is not the most efficent mid-sized transporter which is true but fact is … neither is the new Mondeo with official ADR ratings of 9.5
A few months back – WHEELS published a comparison between the Mondeo, Camry and Epica and reported an average consumption for the Camry of 10.0, Mondeo at 9.7 while the Epica infact returned 9.4 compared to it’s ADR rating of 8.2 … MMM !!
What’s even funnier – people critise the Camry for being slow but fact is, the regular Mondeo and Epica are even slower.
The Camry may not excell at any particular avenue but fact is – it is competant at everything and has proven to be highly successful not just in Australia but all over the world.
Infact, the Camry is the largest selling passenger vehicle in the US and has been for many years.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:21 am
Funny how people are saying its not very fuel efficent, considering its just 117kw, the only thing with less power is the Epica, 115kw on the 2.5L.
This is why I am going to wait it out til next year and get the revised Kia Magentis/Optima(US). Which is supposed to be more fuel efficent than the current model at a claimed 8.6L/100km combined, and have increased power to around 130kw, compared to the current 119kw.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Golf and Minnow … while the Camry returns identical fuel consumption compared to larger 6 cyl capacity cars such as the Commodore, Falcon and Aurion on the highway – fact is, it remains a more efficient urban vehicle which co-incidently were most people travel most of thier kilometers … am i wrong !!
People are so narrowed minded that the only expense they look at is fuel consumption.
Have any of you ever considered the cost of purchasing a motor vehicle, registration, insurance and even scheduled maintenance because any 4-cyl car including the regular Mondeo, Madza6, Sonata and so forth will offer cheaper ownership then larger capacity 6 cyl vehicles.
All-in-all … total outlay for a 4-cyl mid sized motor vehicle will be less but at the expense of performance while Commodores, Falcons, Aurions etc will be more expensive but with greater performance.
It is called market diversity which is why so many cars are available today and incase any of you have forgotten – cost of fuel is not the only expense associated with owning a motor vehicle.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Martin – the current Camry will be due for a facelift in due time and because of increased competition, i reserve nodoubt Toyota will invest adequate resources to improve the competitive nature of the Camry – and the Aurion of course.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Oh shut up Dingo! OR is that TP…
The camry is the best selling medium sized vehicle in it’s class, NOT the best selling VEHICLE in Australia.
Talk about Toyota twisting words to make it sound like camry is the tall poppy…
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Correct me if i am wrong but isn’t the handbrake on the Mondeo on the ‘wrong side’ … mmm !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:41 am
MMM YOU would be WRONG!
How funny…
Vote:try again…
May 28th, 2008 at 8:50 am
It’s on the correct side…
Next
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Adam : i have not stated a single comment that the Camry is best in class – show me exactly were i have stated that … mmm !!
The Camry sells becuase it has proven over many years
and many models to be one of the most honest everyday, no frills motor vehicles on the market and remains no different today.
Incase you haven’t noticed – there appears to be a BIG GLOBAL MARKET for cars like the Camry.
Unlike many of it’s competitors, the Camry has always maintained consistancy which is why it enjoys such a strong reputation today.
Take Holden for example – some mid-sized models have been awful while others better. Ford has been no different.
As for the Camry – name another mid-sized car that has stood the ‘Test Of Time’ as long as the Camry and still soldier on today … let me help you – thier isn’t !!
People that buy cars like Camry’s are not enthusiast but regular everyday people that want a honest, fuss free motor vehicle that will probably not them many years of trouble free motoring.
The Camry is an everyday practical 4 cyl family vehicle and if you want something different – then buy it.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:54 am
mmm … maybe it wasn’t the Mondeo but another car that i am now trying to think of.
Either way – are you people so pathetic that you pass judgement on a car because the handbrake a little more to the left … who friggen cares.
Put it this way, i have never even passed a second thought of it.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Adam – maybe it is the hood release cable on the Mondeo that is no the left side of the drivers footwell and not the right but eitherway … what does it really matter.
I am not so pathetic to be nit picking such stupid issues.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:59 am
waiting for a Kia, you must be desparate. I wouldn’t buy a Kia if it was the most fuel efficient on the market
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Because you are ignorant and have a false sterotypical stigma against Kia. Get the F**k over yourself.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:13 am
Toyota Supporter…Dingo and TP…
What drugs are you on? You claimed the handbrake for mondeo was on the left hand side MMM
YOU were WRONG MMM
YOU pointed the mondeo handbrake out specifically MMM and got it WRONG MMM.
Thats the only thing i’m digging you for.
I said TOYOT is making camry out to be the tall poppy…
YOU just ramble on with SH*t about Toyota, as usual.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I think I speak for all of us when I say I would really love to punch Toyota Supporter in the face… mmm !!
No body gives a sh1t here about the bland ass boring as bat sh1t Camry. I could care how many of these are on the road and how many have been sold, cause truth to the matter is that it’s the 35+ year olds that end up buying these things that have NO IDEA what makes up a good car… mmm !!
I can’t wait till the next Camry rental car that gets bestowed upon me, I’m going to make sure it goes back a steaming heap of raped mess that needs the total GNP of a small country to pay for the repair bill.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Leaked Aust Qual Survey – May 2007
Referance : DRIVE.com under ‘features’ page 6 …
* Medium Cars rating from 100pts
1. Camry – 74
2. Mazda6 – 73
3. Sonata – 69
4. Scenic – 66
5. Accord Euro – 63
6. Liberty – 63
7. Jetta – 59
8. Vectra – 51
9. Passat – 51
A little dated now but still a good referance.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:24 am
GhisGT…
Couldn’t agree more. Camry is like falcon and commodore when it comes to fleet sales.
I know as i work in the auto industry and see thousands of ex-rental camrys, corollas and aurions.
Toyota Supporter…
You continue to ramble on with crap when you are caught out with incorrect info.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Adam – the Camry is currently not the best in class but still rates amoung the better buys in it’s segment.
If you think Toyota is gonna stand-still with the Camry amoung an increasing amount of competition then you are seriously wrong. Toyota will ensure the Camry remains competitive … count on it !!
The fact that the Camry has always been an honest and consistant everyday motor vehicle with a proven and long standing reputation for quality, reliability and dependability has made it a safe buy for many customers.
CONSISTANCY is the key word …
Toyota is not making a tall poppy of the Camry at all – it is you. This article is about the success of local manufactuering of the Camry which is not only good for our industry but the economy aswell.
And fact is – the no fuss Toyota has stood the ‘Test Of Time’ for much, much longer then any current mid-sized model with many that have literally slipped off the radar over the years while the humble Camry continues production.
Cheers …
Im outta here for a while becuase i need sleep as i am currently between nightshifts. 4 days off as of tomorrow so this should be a good topic to keep me enterained for a while.
ps. have you noticed that Toyota topics get the biggest hits.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:36 am
no ChrisGt and Adam ,I would personally like to kick you in the face –
All I can see you fellas reply is with personal insults or obnoxious statements. Raving on about the handbrake statement or that its boring.
wake the FU the debate here isn’t about handbrake, its purely based on Toyota offering a product that suits the majority of the market here. What exactly do you fellas drive yourself? unless your garages comprise of Lambos, Astons or Rolls Royce then kindly stfu :) and incase you don’t have any proper reply, figures or stats then also kindly gtfo :)
I repeat, one kick in the face is pending for you tools. Ignorant twats.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Adam – the only incorrect info was my mistake with the handbrake on the Mondeo … if that is all you have on me then you are pathetic !!
But … am more positive (fongers crossed) that it is the Mondeo that has the hood release cable on the left side of the drivers footwheel.
I believe the real problem here is that i speak more sense then most clowns on this site and you hate that with passion …. don’t you Adam
he, he, he !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Sorry about the mistakes above – getting tired.
Going to bed now – hate nightshift !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Just want to enjoy CA…
Personal insults, where have i done that, like you just have…
I drive ALL makes and models as i work in the auto trade…
What do YOU drive and where do YOU work ignorant TWAT.
Toyota suporter, or Dingo or TP make the confident but WRONG claim about mondeo’s handbrake, HE brought that up, not ME you ignorant TWAT…
Raving on? You are doing that ignorant TWAT.
I adressed wrong info and Toyota suporter then continues onto other irelevant bullsh*t.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Toyota supporter…
1. You made the claim about the silly little handbrake, i didn’t, i simply corrected you after you made an incorrect claim to try and bring mondeo down, simple.
2. this article is about one topic, you bring other crap in to ramble on about Toyota, once again…
3. You claim the handbrake on the left handside of the camry is a small, irelevant point to bring up about camry yet fight back about the mondeo that may have the bonnet release handle on the left hand side! so you make one incorrect, irlevant point and then bring up another irelevant point after making the claim the handbrake was irelevant in the first place!?
Please…
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Now we get an apology about being tired!
too funny and ridiculous…
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Just want to enjoy CA? – Hypocrite much?
And no, nothing exotic like a Lambo in my garage, however it would certainly have one for breakfast over the 1/4 :)
A kick in the face? Let me guess, you drive a Camry. Sucks to be you.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Don’t worry Martin I have a new Kia as one of my cars and am very happy with it. Is my second in fact.
I think u will find over time that the Koreans will take sales from Toyota.
You have heard Toyota owners on this blog that say there Toyotas are better than Mercs and BMWs need I say more. The majority of derogatory remarks I receive about my KIA are from Toyota owners.
Everybody seems to forget the 20 years or so of shit cars the buying public had to put up with from Toyota until they got up to standard. Especially in the dynamics department.
Is a fact that majority of geriatrics and nerds buying Camrys wouldn’t know anything else about a car other than where to fill it up.
Gee I better go to work!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 10:23 am
LOL. Its like a roller coaster in here…Here we go again..”my falcodore is better than your Toyota etc”.
Vote:If you people hate Toyota (or any brand that much) then dont read the articles.
Mada (Clever anagram – you must sell Ford???). You might see heaps of second hand Toyota’s that are ex-rental traded, but no more so than Ford (ex-police, ex-taxi, ex-government) or Holden (ex-everything else including rental). So why just bag Toyota? Ahh, because your particular favourite brand is not number one in nearly every category it sells in and that hurts..doesnt it?!
Maybe if you concentrated on your products virtues instead of trying to find things wrong with other brands, then you might just sell some more cars and feel better about yourself. For the others, Toyota sell cars to consumers, not drivers and that is the reason why Holden, Ford and the rest are still around, because they offer to a different type of car to a different type of buyer. If one particular brand made the best car in the world, then we would all be driving it…
May 28th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Whistleblower…
Yeah you have me pegged! NOT.
I work for an auction company bright spark. I don’t have a favorite brand, i see ALL brands for what they really are.
If you can readm you would have seen where i tagged the camry, corolla and aurion in the same boat as falcon and commodore for fleet sales…wake up.
I drive them all so i can comment with far more accuracy than many of you who are nothing more than keyboard warriors supporting your brand.
I don’t hate Toyota, i just don’t prop Toyota up over many other brands who are more accomplished at everything, not JUST sales leadership. Thats doesn’t make a better vehicle…
Toyota = top selling but doesn’t = class leaders…
Let me remind you that Mazda sells to as much private buyers as Toyota yet has 1/3 less market share and = toyota’s profits!
Vote:Who is more efficient again??
May 28th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Martin, I am not being steriotypical, I will give credit where credit is due. But when you know of 4 people who have owned a Kia car and all FOUR had engine trouble (2 had replacements) you can see why I would be a little hesitant.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Nice spin by Toyota: “according to figures released today by Toyota, the best-selling Australian-made car is in fact the humble Camry” But note NOT best selling in Australia.
The Camry only sold 26,300 IN AUSTRALIA.
Commodore: 57,307 The imported Corolla: 47,792
Are Toyota building the wrong car in australia?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
My point exactly Bret :)
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Toyota supporter.
a Camry is just a Camry no one likes them no one hates them they only good to drive till they drop unlike Fords and Holden’s.
as for Toyota sitting still they did with the Aurion they got a Camry put a new front on it and a 200 kill wasp v6 in it and call it an all new car when its just a Camry with Lexus V6.
Vote:the brilliant engineering’s of Toyota right there i would rather an AU or a VX commodore than any Toyota.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Ok first of all i would just like to mention that the Title of this article has got it all completely wrong, first of it says “Toyota Camry best-selling Australian-made car”, WRONG because the “Toyota Camry best-selling Australian BUILT car”. because if it was australian made, that would imply that the car was, designed & engineered in Australia which it isn’t. the camry is only built and sold here.
And another thing, i got nothing against Toyotas, but i know that the camry really isnt a GREAT car to drive, compared to some of the other cars in its class. You see the Only reason that Toyota’s Sell (JUST AS SOME OTHERS SAID) is because they have a brilliant marketing team, Toyotas car’s rn’t too flash or good, but if it wasn’t for It’s marketing Toyota’s would of been history.
I mean first of all with the camry right, yeah its an alright mid-sized family car, but if u want a proper mid-sized family car, go for a Mazda 6, its quicker, better handling, smother to drive, and a MUCH Better Looker than the Camry, or what about a Subaru Liberty, again, better to drive, more powerful, and pretty well equiped, or maybe the New Lancer (although thats a bit smaller than camry).
Now personaly, im not into a 4 cylinder mid-sized family car, which is why i have a V8, but i have driven some 4 cylinder mid-sized family car (some which i didn’t list), and i know that the camry, is not the better car compared to its competitors, their are much better cars & choices than the camry, but again the camry sells, and why u ask, because of Toyota’s Great Marketing.
and BRET:: thx for listing this man, (almost everyone got fooled. into thinking it was the best selling car in aus)
“”Nice spin by Toyota: “according to figures released today by Toyota, the best-selling Australian-made car is in fact the humble Camry” But note NOT best selling in Australia.
The Camry only sold 26,300 IN AUSTRALIA.
Commodore: 57,307 The imported Corolla: 47,792
Are Toyota building the wrong car in australia?”"
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Buy a Sonata. Better car, better warranty, better looking, better appointments and save min 7k. Win Win!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Well noted Bret.
Vote:It appears that Toyota’s core business is lease based vehicles which includes rentals. It has been said elsewhere, just because Toyota sells a lot of cars doesn’t mean they make great cars, in this case the Camry. And Adam’s point regarding the sale figures for Mazda sales when compared to Toyota sales is also interesting. One figure I din’t notice is that Toyota sales globally have dropped 7%.
What we really have here is a marketing exercise by Toyota implying they are No. 1.
And note, I have not bagged Toyota cars, all I have said is THE FIGURES ARE RUUUUUUBBERY.
May 28th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Looks like Kia will never live down the early Carnival Head Gasket failures in your eyes. I know of one family with the prob and new short engine was supplied and fitted at no cost 6 months after warranty had expired. They were that impressed that they just traded the 1999 model on a new one!
I suppose u won’t forgive a similar prob with the Prado v6 or first Camry v6 either. What about the twin cam straight six in the Cressida needing top end rebuilds from 80,000klms on?
What about the documented Turbo fails in the diesel 80 series cruiser?
Listen to the drivel in the Toyota advertising and all is forgiven it would seem.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Mazda have always made better vehicles than Toyota going way back!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I have just sold my 14 month old camry alteva, bought new. Was a quiet smooth car, lacked power and was comfortable. Good equipment level but that auto often found itself lost and searching for a gear sometimes. Averaged 9.5 in metro then dropped to an unbeievable 6.5 on highway.
My first real mid size 4 cyl purchase. Was influenced by the evergrowing fuel price. The toyota reliablity reputation and I liked the look of the car. Price was reasonable.
Did not have any warranty problems but noticed some quality issues with it.
However, I must share my camry experience with prospective camry buyers.
Take advice, these camry’s are really boring cars to drive. My only dislike for the car came from this.
It’s that simple for me.
My ‘OH WHAT A FEELING” was dull, boring and a lifeless driving experience. pretty much what I also heard form other camry owners when visiting the waiting area at the service dept at the dealership.
Just a bad choice of car I hear everyone saying.. Yep, sure was and I won’t be revisiting Toyota for an aurion either..
I think i will swing back and try the new ford fg G6E.
Thanks for the experience, Toyota…
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
Andy, your experience simply can’t be true! You’re obviously making all of this up. I mean, the quality surveys don’t make any mention of this at all!
:)
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Realcars, what about the head gaskets in the first Camry? Oh, that’s right, silly me. I was making it up. Furthermore, it seems I must supply proof of the event for it to be believed by certain people here.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Good work Toyota. I’m not a fan but as long as they stay in Australia make money and employ lots of people good on them.
Vote:The Camry is a good car, without them what will all the boring people drive?
May 28th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
yep good point jimbo
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Adam – corrrect me if i am wrong but i passed comment that simple things like the handbrake position on the Camry and the bonnet release on the Mondeo are just stupid nit picking exercises … didn’t i !!
Realcars – you speak alot of utter rot.
I have not ever witnessed a Toyota fan of any sort ever compare a Toyota to a Mercedes Benz or BMW because that is just absolutely stupid. You are the clown that has passed that statement and nobody else.
Comparison to a MB or BMW is the job of a Lexus and unlike Holden, Toyota is not stupid enough to even advertise thier products otherwise.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
JIMBO:: right on just what i was gona say, without Toyota what will all the boring people drive..
and GOLFSCHWEIN, maybe u havent heard of all the quality issues in the survey, because no proper people that drive a Toyota took up the time to do the surveys..
and another thing, i mean i bet the only reason that most of the toyotas have a good reputation for being reliable, is because FIRST their not driven way too much (LIKE CABS) and second they rnt thrashed, and given a beating every once in a while.
I mean first of all look at all the holden & ford cabs right, try to buy a X-cab that has done its full 6 yr service as a cab on the road with under 600 000KM on it.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Does anyone realise that this car being a global platform (markets to all over the world)
has to do the way its designed? Every country gets this same shape (strong cost savings),
and cultures are different from nation to nation, their sensitivites to particular designs varies.
Some countries, the traffic is so bad that whats the point of having a v6 or a performance car at all, and some the environment air quality is so bad, that cars require frequent maintenance and repairs.
Toyota builds this car the way it is because it tries to hit the middle mark.
Not all cultures sees cars as Australians do,
and not all Australians see as any other Australian do (especially in this multi-cultural nation of our).
It may be a crap ‘drivers’ car but its great global positioned car for the masses.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Bret – you are an absloute clown.
Is Australia building the wrong car for Australia … are you seriuos !!
Not only has the Camry been the biggest selling mid-sized car in Australia for many, many years but the single biggest export not to mention the car that has stood the ‘Test Of Time’ while many others have simply withered by the wayside
Ford sell how many Mondeo’s per month … 400 which is less then it’s monthly quoter of 500.
Holden sell how many Epica’s per month … 300 !!
That said, the sales of the Commodore and Falcon today are at thier lowest they ever have been. Back in the hay-day of the VT, Holden sold between 8000 – 9000 per month but today – well, that is now down to 3 500 with the VE … OOOCH !!
So who exactly is selling the wrong car !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Car Enthusist – you are another clown.
You say Toyota’s are not driven hard … !!
Correct me if i am wrong but Toyota arguably has the best 4×4 / commercial range of any that are sold in numbers to Farmers, Tradies, Industries and Mines.
The most rugged environment in Australia is undenably the outback, country, farming land, industries and mines and this is were Toyota is far, far more popular then any other brand.
Travel to the most remote, rugged, harsh and metal pounding environment of all and what so you see … yeap, that ’s right – a Toyota !!
Your comment is just complete rubbish … PERIOD !!
Toyota has endured the ‘Test of Time’ of our most challenging environment more so then any other brand – FACT !!
No wonder Toyota has such a robust reputation for engineering strong, reliable, dependable and durable motor vehicles.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
Jimbo – what are all the boring people gonna drive … the multitude of awful Daewoo’s that Holden has on offer !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
To those always thinking Toyotas sell because of ‘brilliant marketing’ or whatever, what are you thinking? Last I checked, Toyota Camrys and Aurions don’t have 20 000 limited edition models that offer huge incentives to get them moving off the dealer lots like Holden, and to a lesser extent Ford.
Let’s not forget the VE Commodore even LAUNCHED with a limited edition Omega V and since then, there’s been Lumina versions and International versions and now the 60th anniversary edition. Of course, I’m not saying Toyota never releases a special version, but far less. No wonder the depreciation on the Commodore is absolutely woeful, there’s buyer’s remorse all the time, when the new limited edition comes out with more incentives.
Also guys, the Camry may not be the most economical or the fastest or the most exciting car in its class, but it has been solid reliable transportation and it continues to provide it in bucketloads today. Fleet sales may make up a portion of the equation, but there are still private buyers who are looking for these qualities that buy Camrys.
Also, the Corolla isn’t made here because it’s not profitable when exported or with the cost of labour here. It doesn’t cost much less to make a Corolla as opposed to the Camry, only the profit margin is much larger on the Camry.
As well, if you looked at the figures properly, you’d find that the Camry actually outsells, or comes close to it (haven’t been tabulating the results completely) the Holden Commodore, when you add together the sales of the Camry 4 cylinder and Camry V6 (Aurion).
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Golf – the head gasket in the first Camry … how long agao was that now – 20 years or more !!
The Camry has rightly earned itself as a trouble and fuss free reputation ever sense.
Commodore and Falcon – still amoung the poorest quality and most unreliable platforms ever to be sold in Austrlia and the multitude of Quality / Customer Satisfaction Surveys have consistantly proven that very point alongside the poor reputation these cars hold with general public.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Realcars – Mazda 4×4’s and Commercials have got nothing on Toyota while thier passenger vehicles and SUV’s comfortably match any offer from Mazda.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Escort – how many awards has the Aurion snatched from the Commodore and Falcon … let me help you a bit – HEAPS !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
It’s a good point, Realcars. Toyota have traded on its “reputation” for 40 odd years. I remember when the 1974 Corona came out to the slogan “When your heart says Europe, but your head says Japan.”
Does a head gasket failure on a near-new Camry in 1993 or a Prado in 2000 matter to those who experienced them?
Yes!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
2006 – Toyota outsold second place Holden by 66 000 units … ooch !!
2007 – Toyota outsold second place Holden by 90 000 units … OOCH !!
2008 – Toyota outselling second place Holden by 44 000 unit already which should equate to 100 000 by year end … AARRRGGGHHH !!
Sales domination combined with a consistant, competitive and diverse fleet and a strong standing in all Quality / Customer Satisfaction surveys says it all really.
The only true judge of all – The Market – has voted.
Off to do my final nightshift now.
cheers
ps. Holden and Ford freaks – how does it feel to be screwed by Toyota’s size 20 steel capped bootS month after month … bloody painful i bet … HA, HA, HA !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Golf – wether in Australia, UK or USA … Toyota has consistanly ranked amoung the forerunners for many years when it comes to quality, reliability, dependablity and customer satisfaction … mmm !!
Every car and every manufactuer have issues with Rolls Royce being no exemption but fact is – some have more then others while other have more again.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
“ps. Holden and Ford freaks – how does it feel to be screwed by Toyota’s size 20 steel capped bootS month after month … bloody painful i bet … HA, HA, HA !!”
Dont really car Dingo! So how does that feel?!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
^meant care not car.
Dingo, it doesnt matter if Toyota will beat Ford or Holden in sales Holden and Ford wont worry, because it doesnt affect them as a company overall.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Duck – Ford doesn’t seem to be much of a company these days … OOCH !!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Hey Dingo at least Holden and/or I’ll even say it for ford, they dont go and get an american car and design it just the front nose and rear of the car in japan and call it “Aussie”. Though when designer Nick Hogios from Ford Australia resigned from ford and joined toyota. He previousoly designed the XR BA series and says the Aurion follows the traits of Australian styling and with a tendancy to look to european designs for inspiration.
So what do you say about that? An Ex Ford designer designed the Aurion and the BA XR sports series?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Dont get me wrong Dingo but i prefer holden over ford and toyota over ford. But Holden over Toyota. So 1. Holden 2. Toyota 3. Ford.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
Toyota Supporter, why don’t you change your name back to Dingo?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
With the Camry why did Toyota had to place the handbrake closer to the passenger than to the driver? It’s silly. It’s right on the other side.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Toyota Supporter, are you for real, when does all the repeated posts stop, do you have a problem with using imagination or just lack thought process..
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Dingo,
Why abuse me, when it was YOU WHO MISSINTERPRETED a statement.
What I wrote:
“Are Toyota building the wrong car in australia?”
Your reply:
“Is Australia building the wrong car for Australia”
With Camry being only their 3rd highest seller and Corolla outselling Camry almost 2/1 isn’t it a valid question?
Bottom line is Dingo has jumped to the wrong conclusion and launches straight into a tirade of abuse – again.
Vote:Pity anyone who has a valid OPINION but Dingo doesn’t agree, ’cause he’ll shoot you down with his own OPINION and a page full of ABUSE.
May 28th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
JW you are in denial:
“Last I checked, Toyota Camrys and Aurions don’t have 20 000 limited edition models that offer huge incentives to get them moving off the dealer lots”
Umm yes they DO. Possibly more so. They have even been known to re-announce special editions because even they weren’t moving (search this site for details). And what about the “Crunch some numbers” mass advertising at the moment. Don’t try to deny the obvious to support your argument.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Yaaawn people bringing up Toyota marketing. The guy who brought it up back at the top, the one with the uncle or whatever who bought it straight away, that has nothing to do with marketing (perhaps attend uni to work this out?)thats brand loyalty, it occurs with all manufacturers. Toyota market no more then Holden as far as Im concerned.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Watching from the sidelines again all day……….why cause there is no point in posting your own thoughts or opinions Bret cause unless they agree with TS your going to be bombarded with insults. This is why Ive moved sites……..Poor old CA ! Off to post on a Toyota Thread somewhere else and not have to worry about the likes of Dingo,imagine that Bret!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Sick and tired of the arrogance and bullshit out of the mouths of people like Toyota Supporter\” Test of time\” and \”built this country\” and all these other bullshit sound bites Toyota use in their marketing. Toyota marketing with the 1976 Coronary was brilliant and started this whole super dupper reliability myth.
And myth is what it is.
Even a relo who is a Toyota mechanic who will tell u of some of the known issues I have already mentioned is caught up in the spin. Toyota even brainwash their mechanics believe me!
I can’t stand bullshit from Toyota or anyone else for that matter.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
If Toyotas are so bloody reliable why aren’t all Taxis Toyotas?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
realcars – get stuffed mate, one mechanic speaks for the entire worlds opinion of toyota having a high regard with respect to reliability?
sure they are not the best in its class but they are built well.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Realcars have you made one intelligent response at this place… one? Trying to say a Hyndai is a better option then a Toyota. What they dont have is RELIABILITY. I know 3 people with them… 3 people with at least 3 problems each. Its just an upmarket Daewoo.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Answer: because there is no way a F&^n Toyota will go the distance as a Falcon does.
It’s that bloody simple.
Cab companies are in it to make a profit and Falcons go the distance and Camry/Aurion won’t do the distance a mighty Australian design and built Falcon will!
500,000 klms and mighty Falcon is just run in and Camry in the tip 300,000 klms before that.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Falcon still going and Camry/Aurion already recycled twice in that time. Falcon has got to be more environmentally friendly for sure u brainwashed Toyota zombies!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Realcars obviously speaks with intelligence. Just because its a taxi doesnt mean its reliable. Taxis just need 5 seater capability and a LPG conversion something a Falcon has. It helps to be locally made for cheap parts. What next government Statemans are built for royalty?
Whats you problem anyway, sounds like you got into a car accident with a Landcruiser?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
A handful of maverick Cab owners bought that ugly Americanised Camry (can’t remember it’s name no loss Ha Ha)and faithfully returned to the great Australian road Car the Falcon as they approached the 200,000klm mark.
They swore off the drink and promised never to leave the Falcon again!!!!ha.ha ha .
…and promised not to believe another word John Laws said again!!!!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Realcars the drivel you type is getting boring quickly.
You babble on about Toyota marketing somehow creating a false perception of reliability… neglecting the customers surveys over some 30 years not supporting this… neglecting the industry figures having Toyota in the top of all segments in reliability. On top of this, your belief is based on the assumption people are stupid, because as a poster way back up top mentioned in a older person buying a car without any thought for others, is customer loyalty which is built of QUALITY PRODUCTS. If you buy a lemon you don’t buy from that brand again, Toyota don’t have this problem… because their customer base has been built over 30 years of producing reliable vehicles!!
And please stop talking about taxis, Ive already explained to you how a taxi has a easier life then your avg private use vehicle (not to mention they are heavily discounted…. thats why they are bought) You talk about the Falcon being so great, yet the industry figures I just mentioned had it LAST, yes LAST LAST LAST (you understand?) in quality (again, these were INDUSTRY figures from the MANUFACTURERS THEMSELVES… no survey BS, no way to BS and say it isn’t reliable). Mind you even if you still cant comprehend the Taxi thing, Toyotas are in the middle east, in fact a large portion of those exports would be for fleets, and guess what… middle east is a faaaar harsher environment. Not only do they thrash their vehicles over their it also has these things called dust storms. I doubt the Ford Falcon would last a week their…. They are last ranked in Australia afterall which comparatively is a far easier environment (in fact, far easier then all enviros Camry is sold in… U.S & Asia which has snow…. Middle East with extreme heat and dust)
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
That’s right Phil Toyota engines aren’t durable enough to run LPG and are therefore not covered for same by Toyota’s magnificent built this country warranty u half witted moron.
Although as already mentioned some mavericks with Lawsies inducement done their own aftermarket conversions so they could both work and play Toyota 24/7 and got decidely rattely
Vote:top ends around the 200,000klm mark.
May 28th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Now that Toyota is number 1 there quality will start to drop off. Case in point – Toyota Tundra (US Market)Its been recalled so many times and I say ’so many’ because for Toyota it’s woeful. Also, Toyota hide their product recalls from the media where as Holden and Ford announce its doing a recall campaign so Toyota seem better in quality. I agree with a previous comment, its all about the marketing and they do a good job. Also, the top selling private car in Australia is the Mazda 3. So its all fleet sales for Toyota really. Personally after my experience with Toyota I will not be back.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Yaaaaaaaaaawn. Top ends around 200,000km.. I hope your not saying thats the max for a Toyota engine? Mine is in excess of that and running like new… thats about the age Toyotas start their life. Go over to various Toyota Forums, cases of Camrys last 500,000 miles (700,000kms or so) and running like new…. PRIVATE VEHICLES.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
Dingo where are you?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
toyota reliability ? didnt Ford score a higher rating in a recent quality survey in America? I am a mechanic and there are as many crap Toyotas as there is Holdens and Fords. Lots of cylinder head and cyinder head gasket problems and lots of engine replacements. I actually think Mazda is better for reliability than any Toyota.
And how ugly are those Camry\Aurions !!!!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Gee u are brainwashed TP.
I am sure that if they had the option and were suitably educated they too would pick a Falcon as the ideal Taxi for the same reason our domestic fleet is dominated by them. I am not going to go into all the reasons why Falcon isn’t exported because it is a waste of time trying to get this point across to people that think Toyota is the ultimate expression of the automobile.
Hyundai will eventually wipe the floor with Toyota because people will eventually realise that the same basic,bland and boring transport with inherent modern reliability can be had for a more reasonable cost.
Simple as that.
Toyota owners Flash as a Rat with a Gold tooth syndrome always surfaces.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
So Adam they high their faults by…. stopping sales? The intelligence of some posters is woeful. Confusing brand loyalty (built from reliability) with marketing and now stopping sales as being better for a brands image then a recall which goes un-noticed! We will also forget the past when Ford and Holden have released vehicles with known faults!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Bavarian Missile, what website have you moved to?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
high = hide
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
I wouldn’t call (new) camrys (altise and ateva especially) or aurions (Base and luxury model) ugly they are just boring to look at.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
DINGO COME BACK AND STOP HIDING IF YOU ARE!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
A lot of bullshit artists too TP who overlook the occasional rebuild in their scheduled servicing.
If this were true then ALL CABS would be Taxis.
Pretty straight forward and simple TP but as u haven’t got a clue can’t seem to gasp this.
Perhaps u and Phil should get together one morning and see if can operate a Toaster together? Getting the lid off the Vegemite jar could present a real challenge! Ha Ha hA hA.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
If anybody says that toyotas are more reliable than commodores or falcons are wrong. Because toyota has faults too!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
exactly real cars it takes a durable reliable engine to run on gas something Toyota must lack same with the alloy tec V6 i mean the old mans vs is hitting 500,000km soon with out problem and it gets one hard life same with the VK 300′000km plus and it the factory engine escort hits 30 years next year factory engine and there a trick to this looking after the car most taxis are not road worthy theses day but the good old falcons keep going AU falcon Australian’s most reliable car.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
HA HA HA HA – Geeksville Freaksville!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
TAXIS=CAMRY
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
TP would you please write a reply that makes sense. Please use correct grammar and spelling before hitting ‘enter’. Also, I am not confusing brand loyalty with marketing. If you read it properly a new sentence starts. Also, people that ‘post’ information on here are bloggers not posters hehehe, just thought you may like to know :-)
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
tp, if your Camry is on 200,000klms and still ticking over(emphasis on the ticking!!!)then I bet u money it is only putting out 60kw at the flywheel!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
Realcars – Engines need to be converted to accept LPG, not a matter of durability. So much for your moment of intelligence.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
toyota best range of 4×4’s !!!!
Vote:mate buy a patrol then u wouldnt piss on a toyot 4×4 even if it was on fire
May 28th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
realcars has lost the point.
you go on and tell everyone that your taxi so will stronger than any other car because its qualified to be a taxi.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
Also, I am not talking up Holden or Ford, I am just not talking up Toyota. As i said, I had a terrible experience when I purchased a Toyota and will not buy one again.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
phil if you where the oner of an alloy tech on gas you wouldn’t say that the guy next door is proof
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
“AU falcon Australian’s most reliable car.”
EscortGhia, the AU had alot of problems and i wouldnt say it was Austrlaia’s most reliable car either mate! VT’s were better!
Hsv1, yes patrols are crap compared to Landcruisers. landCruiser’s rule!!!!!!!!!!! Why did you bring that up anyway?
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:16 pm
“Also, I am not talking up Holden or Ford, I am just not talking up Toyota. As i said, I had a terrible experience when I purchased a Toyota and will not buy one again.”
Adam, you cant buy a drive a type of car from a car companie and think their rest are crap and not buy another one like in youre case a toyota. It may have been a faulty one or something. Like look you could drive a Holden (Daewoo) Barina and say “I will never buy a Holden again”. Just testing one model from the whole car companie range doesnt mean the rest will be crap like the commodore isn’t.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Escort – Tell me how do most ordinary people measure reliability?
1) No of breakdowns during the car\’s lifetime
2) Whether the petrol engine can run on gas?
What next, diesel? Please. I\’m paying credit where its due. I believe Toyota makes some of the most boring cars on sale, but they are good for what they are made out to be. I\’m a Mazda man myself.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
duck vt are one of the worst relabel holden ever suspension problems because it was carried over from the vs and they didn’t mostly the set up for a bigger car people were constantly getting there 5.7L v8 rebuilt because holden detuned them to much then later they got to much out of them.
all i remember being the biggest problem with the AU was a steering rack and the fact that it look ugly in basic form.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
Duck, look a little closer and HSV1 is being sarcastic when he says “toyota best range of 4×4’s !!!!”
Some AUs may have had probs, mine sure hasn’t.
Waiting for Golfie’s comparo summary. Should be a close fight.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
phil how much a car brakes down in it life is the main one and the old man’s car has blown a water pump twise the vk has had starter motor and a few fan belts the escort has had a starter motor and a brake booster
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
I have owned both a BA Falcon and now currently drive and Aurion and there is no bloody way a Falcon is more reliable. You really must be smoking weed. Do a bit of googling outside if your imaginary friends and connections and see how reliable your “Aussie” company is going.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
My got, if a Taxi isn\’t the ultimate expression of automotive reliability what is?
Trying to make the point that despite the spin Toyota doesn\’t have a monopoly on reliability and durability as some bloggers on this site would infer and as the Toyota spin machine has rammed down our throats for the past 30 years or more.
As far as a motor needing to built for LPG the Ford Egas
is modified but the regular petrol version also lasts longer than anyone cares to remember when converted to LPG.
Toyota will void your warranty if u use 10% ethanol fuel!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
The Cabs companies and thousands of Falcons they run must be wrong then Richard?
Tell me the Aurion is a better car to drive and we will really see u don’t know what u are talking about.Ha Ha Ha
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Richard,Phil and TP on the morning shift together to see if they can operate the toaster and spread the jam from the bubble packs.classic!!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Yeah Hsv1 was being sarcastic i thought he was but it was hard to tell.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Good one Realcars! :)
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Interesting point realcars. I’ve travelled to NZ a fair bit and they don’t have a Falcon dominated Taxi empire because of the lack of fleet sales departments and none of the traditional ties that we Aussies are used to.
You’ll find most cabbies choose Nissan Maximas, Toyota Aurions/Camry because of their reliability. I guess where they have a choice, they will opt for a Japanese based solution.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Yuck come to think of it the camry’s steering wheel is UGLY AS HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Thats very true Tim.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Mate you can live in your little world and play god with your little toys. It’s dimwitted people like who need top open their eyes and get some fresh air.
In the end Ford has been struggling to make money. I really hope the Falcon can keep Aussie jobs.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
If u are really good I’ll tell u how to get those little jam packets undone.Ha Ha Ha.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
I do agree(in my own dim witted way)with u on the job front Richard.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
My local Ford dealer is doing his bit to keep Toyota number one.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 9:52 pm
I hope all car companies can stay afloat and compete in all segments, the more the better competition, otherwise manufacturers relax too much a produce average cars over and over again with hardly any innovation or technical improvement.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
right on joober although its not like anyone would miss Toyota except the the 4X4’s
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
EscortGhia, the people that buy more Toyotas than the two next brands added together will miss Toyota.
Vote:May 28th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
haha, its just funny and ironic some people go all twisted and all personal about people’s preference.
I mean Ghist GT for one made me chuckle a bit, punch people on the face?
bag 35 year olds for buying new cars?
oh man what passion haha.
First off, You JUST HIT the nail on the head. Exactly what marketing for the Camry is…. 35 year olds… in fact sedans, BRAND NEW sedans… NEW CARS etc… are targeted to that audience. Most 20~30 year olds are most likely on the market for smaller cars or used sedans, but globally, most people who buy brand new sedans are “grown up” people with families… hey what dont you bag on families for buying “boring” vans or suvs too… Im sure you have some ammor for them… I mean who buy Vans, their ugly, cannot put spoilers on them, no turbo options what the heck they thinking!!!
Good thing manufacturing companies are not ran by some of you people… because those companies will be buried after a week the way you guys perceive the industry.
Fact:
Money makers for companies are everyday drivers…. not performance cars…. thats a niche market. Tiny in fact.
And Camry has stood the test of time because of a few reasons, but one thing is its Toyota’s flagship everyday sedan vehicle globally, its sold and engineered in a few countries… US (its doing well here), Europe, Australia, Pacific region etc.
And another thing, the boring excuse is again, for the millionth time very shallow and misses the point of the camry…. If I was in the market for an everyday car, cheap to service, cheap to maintaine, a car I wouldnt care if it does 100k kms a year, or have pints and scratches due to everyday wear…. I’d consider a Camry.
But to be honest, I’d look at the Mazda 6 or Honda Accord too… but mind you, those cars are priced higher, yes more features and luxury but again, most people just want that everyday driver, point a to b, and not pay the extra 5~6 grand…. those cars are imported too, more expensive to maintain and insure.
People here cannot compare in context and hence dont matter…. opinions on an internet forum… illogical and thoughtless opinions… well it is a free speech/opinion forum so its not “unexpected”….
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Absolutely agree Jamison, couldnt have said better.
Good night!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Who needs to buy comics, just read this site. And of course if you don’t have TV again, just read this site.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 9:24 am
Duck – fairdinkum … who really gives a sh*t about who designs cars, who they worked for previously and who they will be employed by in the future. If that is an effort to have a go at Toyota then it is pathetic.
As for Toyota not being more reliable then Holden and Ford … that comment proves your knolwedge of the industry is woeful
4 Quality / Customer Satisfaction Surveys were released in Australia last year and while Toyota consistantly ranked in the ‘TOP 3′ for all of them, Holden and Ford performed dismally.
1. Aust Leaked Qual Sur as published on DRIVE.com under ‘features’ …
while Toyota was ranked ‘dominate’ or ‘above par’ in every category, Holden failed dismally in every single category … that’s right – ranked ‘below average’ in every single segment while Ford didn’t perform much better. Infact, Holden and Ford took out more wooden spoons then any other manufactuer.
2. R A C Nat Sur … Toyota ranked in the ‘TOP 3′ with Mazda and Honda while Holden and Ford were infact described as ‘below benchmark’.
3. J D Powers Sur of WA Motorist … Toyota ranked in the ‘TOP 3′ again with Mazda and Honda while Holden and Ford perfromed poorly.
4. J D Powers Nat Aust Sur … yet again – Mazda, Honda and Toyota ranked as the ‘TOP 3′ while Holden placed 9th and Ford 10th.
So, while you speak utter bullsh*t, i have just provided you with 4 x 2007 referances of Australian Quality / Customer Satisfaction surveys that proves your comment is absolute rubbish.
Don’t beieve me, then i suggest you google each of those referances and educate yourself with correct information for once instead of living in la, la, land
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Bret … cut the haa-haa dribble will ‘ya, leave it to the girls.
You stated that Toyota is making the wrong car (Camry)which is absolute rubbish. I replied to you with statistics of ‘real world’ sales involving the Camry, Commodore and Falcon which proved how wrong and grossly mis-informed your judgement is.
You are abviously challenged with the RAW TRUTH … !!
Next time you pass utter crap like you did, i will be glad to provide some facts to prove you wrong – AGAIN !!
Repeat – while sales of the Camry has infact improved especially when coupled with the monthly sales of the Aurion, the Commodore and Falcon today are infact experiancing thier lowest sales ever with sales of the VE running at half or less compared to the VT only a few years ago … oooch !!
So what exactly were you saying about the Camry being the wrong car considering it has been the biggest selling mid-sized family saloon for the past 14 years and still comfortably the biggest selling car in it’s segment today … mmm !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Realcars … your thoughts about Toyota durability is a joke and so are you.
Why has Toyota established such a strong and recognised reputation today …. because of thier quality, reliability, dependability and – what for it … durability.
In one comment you talk up Falcons because of their taxi utilisation, durability and so forth but then talk down Toyota for being nothing but taxi cars … mmm !!
You are one spaced-out fella dude !!
Gee … i wonder why Toyota is the most prefered manufactuer with the Farmers, Tradies, Industries and Mines.
Wouldn’t have anything to do with thier strong, robust and dependable nature would it !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 10:03 am
Duck I would love to tell you where a group of us have now moved to actually discuss cars but I don’t want their site trashed by Dingo ,funny they get similar stories including Toyota ones and everyone can talk freely without being shot down in flames for having an opinion. Not one fight on the site since Ive been there in a week.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Toyoda Supporter – fairdinkum … who really gives a sh*t about who sells the most cars.
Toyoda is not more reliable then Holden and Ford …
4 Quality / Customer Satisfaction Surveys were released in Australia last year and while Ford consistantly ranked in the ‘TOP 3′ for all of them, Toyoda performed dismally.
1. Aust Leaked Qual Sur as published on DRIVE.com under ‘features’ …
while Ford was ranked ‘dominate’ or ‘above par’ in every category, Toyota failed dismally in every single category … that’s right – ranked ‘below average’ in every single segment while Holden didn’t perform much better. Infact, “Toyoda” took out more wooden spoons then any other manufactuer.
OH WHAT A FEELING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. R A C Nat Sur … Ford ranked in the ‘TOP 3′ with Mazda and Honda while Toyoda were infact described as ‘below benchmark’.
3. J D Powers Sur of WA Motorist … Ford ranked in the ‘TOP 3′ again with Mazda and Honda while Toyota poorly.
4. J D Powers Nat Aust Sur … yet again – Mazda, Honda and Ford ranked as the ‘TOP 3′ while Holden placed 9th and Toyoda 10th.
So, while you speak utter bullsh*t, i have just provided you with 4 x 2007 referances of Australian Quality / Customer Satisfaction surveys that proves your comment is absolute rubbish.
So what exactly were you saying about the Falcon being the wrong car considering it has been the biggest selling mid-sized family saloon for the past 20 years and still comfortably the biggest selling car in it’s segment today … mmm !!
Why has Ford established such a strong and recognised reputation today …. because of thier quality, reliability, dependability and – wait for it … durability.
Gee … I wonder why Ford is the most prefered manufactuer with the Farmers, Tradies, Industries and Mines.
Wouldn’t have anything to do with thier strong, robust and dependable nature would it !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Toyota supporter you are one sick puppy, obsessed about a lump of metal and surveys, you need to get laid, or a job, or a life, maybe a pet, goldfish or a little fluffy dog or rabbit, you get my drift..
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 11:01 am
in truth though you are not alone, few other wacko’s here as well..
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Dingo/TS,
Mate are you THICK or what?
Got back, read and COMPREHEND what was written. Nowhere did I question the suitability of Camry as a mid size car for Aus.
Lets spell it out real slooooooowly.
Looking at sales figures, Corolla sells double Camry:
Would Toyota and Australia be better off if they built Corolla instead of Camry in Australia?????
No comparison with Commodore, Mondeo, 380, nothing! Sheeesh!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 11:43 am
“4. J D Powers Nat Aust Sur … yet again – Mazda, Honda and Ford ranked as the ‘TOP 3′ while Holden placed 9th and Toyoda 10th.” –
No it wasnt it was 3rd with 772 / 1000
Ford was below industry standard (762) at 743.
Where do you get your facts from?
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Joober, imagine a witch at her cauldron using a giant “stirring” motion.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Ford Freak … arrange as many sentances as you wish – couldn’t give a sh*t because it does change market reality.
We all know who manufactuer reliable cars and those that are not … well – to reliable !!
HA, HA, HA !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Consider This:
How long have Toyota been in Formula 1? Must be 6 or maybe even 7 years now. And with the biggest budget in the pit lane no less, yes much bigger than McLaren and even Ferrari…
And what has the “world’s No1 car company” achieved in that time?
Not a single race win….
The most successful engine in formula 1 history?
Built by Ford.
Not to mention 4 Le Mans victories on the trot.
That’s passion.
And that’s what Toyota miss by a mile.
They don’t have a drop of it in their entire range.
‘Nuff said.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Bret … obviuosly not for what eva reason.
approx 45000 Corolla’s are sold in Australia per year at present while Altona manufactuers approx 145 000 Camry’s and Aurions not only for local consumption but for export markets aswell.
Toyota being a mult-national company must consider the viability of all it’s operations and not just Altona in Melbourne.
Obviuosly locally manufactuering of the Camry satisfies Toyota’s global manufactuering structure / business strategy.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Millatime – Toyota’s budget is infact 2nd largest behind Ferrari. That said – i agree Toyota has alot of work to do when it comes to F1 and i hope they find performance.
However … NASCAR is proving very successful for Toyota and is currently (arguably) the most competitive manufactuer in the series.
Todate, Toyota is currently the leading manufactuer in the Sprint Series (1st tier) and Nationwide (2nd tier) while positioned second in the Craftsman Truck Series.
Sprint Series (12 races to dates) …
Toyota – 4 wins
Chevy – 3 wins
Ford – 3 wins
Dodge – 2 wins
Nationwide Series (13 races to date) …
Toyota – 9 wins
Chevy – 2 wins
Ford – 2 wins
Dode – 0 wins
Craftsman Trucks Series (6 races to date) …
Toyota – 3 wins
Chevy – 3 wins
Ford – 0 wins
Dodge – 0 wins
Better still – of the 31 races combined in the NASCAR Series that have been completed this year so far … Toyota has won 16 of them alone and that does not even include the multitude of 2nd’s and 3rd’s.
Best part of it all – Toyota is beating the American companies at thier own race on thier own soil … ooch !!
Oh yeah – and lets not forget our own Australian Rally Champioship (ARC)of which TRD won the manufactuers title in 2006 and 2007 while off to a flying start this year by winning both of the first 2 races so far.
While i agree Toyota continues to struggle in F1, they are however performing extremely well in other motorsport events.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Your comment that Toyota doesn’t have a drop of passion in it’s entire range is utter rubbish.
Those that are passionate about off-road adventures – were do they go … Toyota !!
Those that are passionate about pure luxury and prestiage motoring – were do they go … Lexus !!
As for perfromnace cars … the TRD Aurion and Hilux are great vehicles not to mention the new ‘F’ series arriving from Lexus.
Infact, the new 311kw / 500nm 5.0 V8 8-speed paddle shift IS-F arives in Australia in October … if that is not passion then what is.
Better still – what has Ford got to rival against such high quality perfromance manchines … let me help you a bit – NOTHING !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Ahh I see Golfy, :)
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Furthermore, Millatime, you obviously…OBVIOUSLY…overlooked Corolla’s class wins at Bathurst in 1968, 1969, 1988, 1989 and 1990, for respective overall placings of 30,32, 29, 10 & 17.
HOW VERY DARE YOU!!!
(Apologies to catherine tate)
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Speaking of Rallies
why arent Toyota playing with the big boys of the rally world?
current WRC Manufatures rackings
1 – Ford
2 – Citroen
3 – Subaru
4 – Ford
5 – Ford
6 – Suzuki
Toyota????????????
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Toyota Supporter; your facts and figures are impressive, obviously not much on today..
Toyota have had, and still do have, the biggest budget in F1
Why even bother quoting Nascar stats for what is a parity or controlled category driving round in circles?? Ho-Hum..
Now let me help you
“..passionate about off road where do they go?” Land Rover
“..passionate about pure luxury and prestige where do they go?” Benz or Bentley
Performance machinery?
Who in their right mind would overlook 300+ KW in a rear wheel drive sedan for a far-too-many 241 in a front wheel drive Camry????? Tell me, which of these is FWD..? M3, M5, M6, any Porsche, any AMG, what about Ferrari or Lotus?????
Have you ever thought of comedy writing?
ISF was lapped 5 times by Kia (no less) at the ‘ring (I’m starting to get passionate about Kia..)
Most successful rally car? Escort, (and STILL competing!)
And Golfschwein; I applaud those brave souls in their Corolla’s, however, Cortina GT was not a class winner but OUTRIGHT winner. Yawn…
Now, both oy you should do what all good Toyota owners do in the afternoon, and have a little nanna nap…..
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Oh, Millatime, I was just being silly, you know, taking the piss out of people. And it wasn’t you. I do a lot of that on here. I admit, there were probably insufficient clues to indicate I was joking around… :)
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Nah, I got your little nudge jokes Golfy ;-). Keep ‘em up.
Some very good points there Millatime.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Good call(s) Millatime,
But your efforts and production of evidence will be futile. Unless you wanted to enrage TS, then you have no doubt succeeded.
And Golfschwein, was more than likely being sarcastic, hence the reference to Catherine Tate.
Toyota makes good cars built to serve as reliable A to B transport.
To try to convince people that they are exciting or built with passion is like bolting alloys and a spoiler to a Hyundai Getz and calling it a sports car.
Toyota Motor sport is a marketing tool. Even with all their money Toyota performance cars are as exciting as a well sorted sock draw. But that said congratulations to Toyota on their few motor sport successes.
I’m sorry TS but people have the right to their own opinions. You do know it ok if there are people that don’t like Toyota?
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Just read in V8 Supercar, Toyota are NOT going to participate in this type of racing.
Vote:They prefer NASCAR because it’s aligned to their philosophy of being boring. You know when something goes around in circles and around and around and around it can become boring.
May 29th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Jimbo,
That should just about sum it up….
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
I think I love u Millatime!!!LOL.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
LOL Tony.M, good stuff. The only good Nascar racing is the road courses, where Ambrose would clean up if he could shake some of his bad luck.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
Camry Worlds most boring car besides the Pirus,which is the world most efficient boring car because it makes a small amount of boring go along way.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Why do I get an overwhelming sense of deja vu from looking at this topic?
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
Even looking at that Camry-it has this almost sickening clincal blandness to it; eerily designed to not appeal on any level to those who have a pulse. Even though the TRD Aurion is kind of a spunky car, it has a terrible case of Toyitis- the same affliction that keeps people like Motorsport ~,TP on a continual, vacuous loop.
Vote:Evidence of this zombie-like zeal comes in the form of that motorsport guy spuriking just how mediocre Toyota’s performance in motorsport is- but then that’s the crux of Tojo isn’t it; Mediocrity.
You aren’t real petrol heads ( Camry/Corolla are devoid of any character) and hence the rift between you and the rest of us petrol heads. Hence why every day topics are reduced to the same object, with absurd statistics that don’t resonate with people who care more about cars than numbers.I guess you guys are more like bean counters- theres nothing wrong with that, just intellectually bankrupt examples of thus.
BTW; Its not just the Tojo gang that emit idiot rays either.
May 29th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Millatime – i have just taken the time to refresh myself on F1 budget (Wikipedia amoung other sources) and discovered that Ferrari and Toyota have infact fluctuated between them as the biggest budget teams sense Toyota’s involvement. That said – i agree that Toyota has alot of work to do to improve thier performance and have been waiting along time myself.
As for NASCAR – ho hum … you have got to be kidding me !!
Apart from being the most competitive motorsport event in the world’s largest and most lucarative automotive market of all – USA – i have just discovered during my research that NASCAR is now approaching the budget of F1 making it the second highest budget motor racing event in the world. Unlike V8 Supercars – actually has more then 2 choices of manufactuers.
Gee .. i wonder who is gonna win this year – Holden or Ford !! yeah – real competitive that is … NOT !!
As for the Land Rover being the choice for passionate off-roaders … what crap !!
Toyota’s diverse range of 4×4’s particularly the Landcruiser has been the predominate choice for heavy off-raod enthusiasts for many years and remains no different today and most certainly not Land Rover … all due respects to Nissan.
If you cannot acknolwdge that then you really are in need of help … PERIOD !!
Oh yeah … as for luxury – BMW, Mercedez Benz, Audi and Lexus are all the preferred choices for passionate enthusiasts of luxury/prestiage motoring.
Worth mentioning that Lexus is now one of the most renouned and respected automotive brands that can be found anywhere in the world today …. am i wrong – NO !!
What has Ford got – virtually nothing
* Aston Martin – GONE !!
* Jaguar – GONE !!
As for Lincoln and Mercury … what eva. Infact, Ford recently passed statement that it will be considering the wether Mercury will be retained or not.
Gee… market stance is not looking good for Ford … IS IT !!
As for Kia lapping the IS-F … as far as my knolwedge extends, the IS-F has yet to compete in any race at Nurburgring except on numerous occassions for lap times and ongoing development.
So guess what – i now only expect you to provide a source / referance for your statement … naturally, and if you don’t – you a proven liar !!
Oh yeah … the IS-F and all other ‘F’ series coming from Lexus are RWD so add that tou your list.
Again – what is Ford’s answer to the IS-F … let me help you a bit – NOTHING !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Sorry Realcars 200,000kms and running as new.
Poison you can continue talking drivel, Im a car enthusiast…. I like DECENT cars. Ford and Holden dont produce these kind of vehicles. One thing having great performance like the XR6T… its another delivering that performance without fail!!!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
Peterd – here is some education for you … Team Toyota Europe (TTE) which was Toyota’s WRC arm was folded to in preferance establish thier F1 team.
Worth noting that when Toyota abandoned WRC they were the infact the reigning champions and had been for 3 consecative years prior.
I’m sure you recall the Castrol Celica GT-4’s !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Just read that Holden and Ford will continue to refuse any other entrant because they fear revisiting the days when thier aspirations were squashed by Nissan.
Tears just flowed and flowed and flowed until the Government of the time declared a national flood.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
When the Commodore eventually folds production due to declining popularity, apparently Holden will produce a race version of the Viva.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Poison … you must have purchased a one way ticket to la, la, land.
I guess it is better for you to float with the fairies and forget about the bad people on earth.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Holden and Ford have been racing in Australia for how many years !!
What has it done for them today … NOTHING !!
HA, HA, HA
Why bother …
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Yeh why bother Dingo – talking to yourself.
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
You replied no-name … at least someone was reading
HA, HA, HA !!
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Anti-Spam word Pontiac. hehehehehehe! Who here likes Pontiac?
Vote:May 29th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
La la land? That old chestnut? Purrlease!
Vote:TP; How can you say that the FG XR6 Turbo doesnt perform without fail? It’s barely been out on the market yet.
Ford has proven themselves reliably- your taxi point is BS,TP because several AU’s have clocked over 1 000 000 kms on their first motor; to suggest they get no downtime is acenine.
Holden and Ford have gained alot from motorsport; most of their past legends GTHO, Group A, XU-1 etc are all products of motorsport. Clearly demonstrating you are well out of your depth. So what does even the TRD range have to do with motorsport? An aftermarket blower? Even if that was the case, it would be less excusable for the TRD Aurion to have a less well sorted chasis than the competition.
No Name replied but doesnt mean he read what you wrote- is this your sole raison d’etre Dingo?
Pretty pathetic and futile existence if thats the case.
I wonder which of your limited comebacks you’ll have for that. Yawn.
May 29th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
Duck go to autoblog and check out the US commercial for the G8; its like a computer game and its pretty awesome
Vote:May 30th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Poison – not only are sales of the Commodore and Falcon, but that of Holden and Ford in general are running at thier lowest ever so how exactly has / is thier involvement in Australian motorsport helping the them today …. mmm !!
Help me help you a bit … jake sh*t !!
As for the Camry chassis – happens to be the same chassis (albiet modified) that the winning NASCAR Camry’s utilses. That’s right, Toyota’s competing NASCARs are based on a 2007 Toyota Camry Chassis … mmm !!
And sense they are currently leading the title … who exactly is ‘less sorted’ !!
Vote:May 30th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Correction … based on a 2008 Toyota Camry Chassis !!
Vote:May 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
So much for your credibility….dont know that Toyota have seriously approached GM to make the Prius’s in California. You know GM and FORD who you bag for quality and whatnot!
Vote:May 31st, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Would you like some more salt for that wound your rubbing NM ?HAHAHA………
Vote:June 7th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
What a pointless emotional forum? Not much advice here
Mines better than yours – no its not – yes it is?
Vote:July 20th, 2008 at 1:31 am
Poison – not only are sales of the Commodore and Falcon, but that of Holden and Ford in general are running at their lowest ever so how exactly has / is thier involvement in Australian motorsport helping the them today …. mmm !!
Help me help you a bit … mmmmmmmm jake sh*t !!
As for the Camry chassis – happens to be the same chassis (albiet modified) that the winning NASCAR Camry’s utilses. That’s right, Toyota’s competing NASCARs are based on a
1987 USDM Toyota Camry Chassis … 1987!! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !!
And sense they are currently leading the title … who exactly is ‘less sorted’ !!
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!
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