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	<title>Comments on: Hybrid and diesel Commodores two years away</title>
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		<title>By: homegrown</title>
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		<dc:creator>homegrown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that Holden dont use the GM technology to develop at Hybrid. To date GM have replaced a few hundred batterys and prius 10

GM 0 TOYOTA 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that Holden dont use the GM technology to develop at Hybrid. To date GM have replaced a few hundred batterys and prius 10</p>
<p>GM 0 TOYOTA 1</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/12826/hybrid-and-diesel-commodores-two-years-away/comment-page-4/#comment-79287</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!</description>
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		<title>By: hsv guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsv guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No 2005 z series with after market throtle bodies 8 separate ram tubes ones that criss cross sounds awesome with chip and exhaust gos hard dose suck the juice but who cares</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No 2005 z series with after market throtle bodies 8 separate ram tubes ones that criss cross sounds awesome with chip and exhaust gos hard dose suck the juice but who cares</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^VE?</description>
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		<title>By: hsv guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsv guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 10:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>red clubie</description>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/12826/hybrid-and-diesel-commodores-two-years-away/comment-page-4/#comment-79012</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^What HSV do you own?</description>
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		<title>By: hsv guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>hsv guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who gives a crap about all this saving fuel just use it dont worry if its gone its gone then we will have to use something else.Until then im just gunna keep filling up with premieum and enjoy flooring the throttle .Maybee u guys can save fuel and use diesels and that will give me more time to thrash around in my hsv</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who gives a crap about all this saving fuel just use it dont worry if its gone its gone then we will have to use something else.Until then im just gunna keep filling up with premieum and enjoy flooring the throttle .Maybee u guys can save fuel and use diesels and that will give me more time to thrash around in my hsv</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Boleh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Boleh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 22:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Diesel Supercars at Bathurst in 2010?</description>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree Diesel tech from Germany is unreal and to ignore the higher purchase cost else you’d put off buying one. Do agree about resale rates are better for diesels to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree Diesel tech from Germany is unreal and to ignore the higher purchase cost else you’d put off buying one. Do agree about resale rates are better for diesels to</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey NO NAME.....where you around when ALBORZ got abused real bad by a tosser who reckon was drunk ~ that guy wasnt even banned one bit? Couldnt believe it! Lots are leaving here is not consistent and site has changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey NO NAME&#8230;..where you around when ALBORZ got abused real bad by a tosser who reckon was drunk ~ that guy wasnt even banned one bit? Couldnt believe it! Lots are leaving here is not consistent and site has changed!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Oh What A Feeling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oh What A Feeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noname - agree, when you look at the results for Holden and Ford you do tend to doze-off 

Market share .... what market share !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noname &#8211; agree, when you look at the results for Holden and Ford you do tend to doze-off </p>
<p>Market share &#8230;. what market share !!</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 10:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi folks this thread still going on - I&#039;ve been to London and back and it continues. 
Don&#039;t quite agree with you Andrew M - Economy of a Commie now is about 10.5&#039;s say. My Vectra, a similar vehicle, with 3 litre diesel does comparably 7.7&#039;s and its by no way a decent diesel donk, the Germans are far better getting 7.2&#039;s and 7.3&#039;s. Thats about a 30% saving on fuel.
Worth while having in my view. And I agree with Golfie you gotta just ignore the higher purchase cost else you&#039;d put off buying one, remember the resale rates are better for diesels of course.

Dingo - end of month figures - Come up with something new Yawn, we&#039;ve heard it all before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi folks this thread still going on &#8211; I&#8217;ve been to London and back and it continues.<br />
Don&#8217;t quite agree with you Andrew M &#8211; Economy of a Commie now is about 10.5&#8217;s say. My Vectra, a similar vehicle, with 3 litre diesel does comparably 7.7&#8217;s and its by no way a decent diesel donk, the Germans are far better getting 7.2&#8217;s and 7.3&#8217;s. Thats about a 30% saving on fuel.<br />
Worth while having in my view. And I agree with Golfie you gotta just ignore the higher purchase cost else you&#8217;d put off buying one, remember the resale rates are better for diesels of course.</p>
<p>Dingo &#8211; end of month figures &#8211; Come up with something new Yawn, we&#8217;ve heard it all before.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>golfie,
yes i know it is un chartered waters.
but i just dont see a commy getting under 8.0L/100k.

the mondeo economy is a fairly good indicator, as that is the closest in size to a falcon or commy that a diesel would be asked to lug around

i cant stand petrol small cars or petrol jap trucks because you have to rev their ring off to go any where.

in other words, i can see how a diesel option will improve the drivability of a small car and jap trucks, but not a falcon or commy.

ive had a few falcon utes, and they have all been manuals.

when even i get into a jap ute, quite bluntly i hate it.
in my falcon, dropping back to 2nd will spike the revs to 2500rpm (depends how hard you are going in though),
but in a jap ute, going into a corner and grabbing 2nd will see you nearing compression lock up.

its an age old saying, if it aint broke, dont fix it.

i honestly cant see a falcon becoming any more drivable than it already is.

small cars becoming more drivable adds up because you usually have to ring their neck to get them going.
diesel solves that problem.

in the case of falcon/commy, their aint that problem that needs fixing.

poor public perception is the way i summ up ford and holdens eventual path to diesel mod falcons and commys.
i do believe that a diesel territory would be worth it though.
public have been crying for diesel terry for ages, and ford has lost market share because of their slowness to act</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>golfie,<br />
yes i know it is un chartered waters.<br />
but i just dont see a commy getting under 8.0L/100k.</p>
<p>the mondeo economy is a fairly good indicator, as that is the closest in size to a falcon or commy that a diesel would be asked to lug around</p>
<p>i cant stand petrol small cars or petrol jap trucks because you have to rev their ring off to go any where.</p>
<p>in other words, i can see how a diesel option will improve the drivability of a small car and jap trucks, but not a falcon or commy.</p>
<p>ive had a few falcon utes, and they have all been manuals.</p>
<p>when even i get into a jap ute, quite bluntly i hate it.<br />
in my falcon, dropping back to 2nd will spike the revs to 2500rpm (depends how hard you are going in though),<br />
but in a jap ute, going into a corner and grabbing 2nd will see you nearing compression lock up.</p>
<p>its an age old saying, if it aint broke, dont fix it.</p>
<p>i honestly cant see a falcon becoming any more drivable than it already is.</p>
<p>small cars becoming more drivable adds up because you usually have to ring their neck to get them going.<br />
diesel solves that problem.</p>
<p>in the case of falcon/commy, their aint that problem that needs fixing.</p>
<p>poor public perception is the way i summ up ford and holdens eventual path to diesel mod falcons and commys.<br />
i do believe that a diesel territory would be worth it though.<br />
public have been crying for diesel terry for ages, and ford has lost market share because of their slowness to act</p>
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		<title>By: Golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 09:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have a thali for you too, Naughtyius. Actually, I won&#039;t. They&#039;re filling.

Gym&#039;s off, too. I wouldn&#039;t have time for a proper work-out and I hate clock-watching.

Andrew M. Hmmm. Yes...I see everything you&#039;re saying but will add the following for food-for-thought.

I drove a friend&#039;s auto Mazda 323 today, bought just before the replacement 3 hit the shores. I&#039;m delighted to say that the Golf was like a Rolls Royce in comparison to everything about it, virtually, and it wouldn&#039;t have pulled a sailor off your sister.

So yes, diesel Commodores and Falcons are going to be interesting in that, firstly, they will be joining a range of cars that perform very well in the first instance and secondly, we&#039;ve never had them before.

It&#039;s all very untested, but you can sense the demand for them is in the air and where should Holden and Ford be if they don&#039;t satisfy demand or predict a change of taste?

My confidence is that, if they&#039;re available, people will buy, and many will willingly be early adopters. After all, maunufacturers like BMW and Mercedes-Benz give you the option of choosing diesel or large capacity petrol engines in the same body shell to no apparent disadvantage. Just choose your engine and everyone&#039;s a winner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have a thali for you too, Naughtyius. Actually, I won&#8217;t. They&#8217;re filling.</p>
<p>Gym&#8217;s off, too. I wouldn&#8217;t have time for a proper work-out and I hate clock-watching.</p>
<p>Andrew M. Hmmm. Yes&#8230;I see everything you&#8217;re saying but will add the following for food-for-thought.</p>
<p>I drove a friend&#8217;s auto Mazda 323 today, bought just before the replacement 3 hit the shores. I&#8217;m delighted to say that the Golf was like a Rolls Royce in comparison to everything about it, virtually, and it wouldn&#8217;t have pulled a sailor off your sister.</p>
<p>So yes, diesel Commodores and Falcons are going to be interesting in that, firstly, they will be joining a range of cars that perform very well in the first instance and secondly, we&#8217;ve never had them before.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all very untested, but you can sense the demand for them is in the air and where should Holden and Ford be if they don&#8217;t satisfy demand or predict a change of taste?</p>
<p>My confidence is that, if they&#8217;re available, people will buy, and many will willingly be early adopters. After all, maunufacturers like BMW and Mercedes-Benz give you the option of choosing diesel or large capacity petrol engines in the same body shell to no apparent disadvantage. Just choose your engine and everyone&#8217;s a winner.</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, and more so since Jap utes have big motors in them in petrol guise to</description>
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		<title>By: Andrew M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>golfie,
i appreciate your angle in that people would buy the diesel falcons and commys for their driving characteristics, but i would say that argument is only valid in the case of small cars and light trucks.

falcons and commys are very much drivable especially the falcon with its torque bank that is greater than popular turbo diesels.

falcons and commys dont need their neck rung as much as small petrol and jap petrol trucks.

if i was looking at a jap ute, no way would i go petrol.
yep, the diesel versions of jap utes are well worth the investment for enormous fuel bill savings, coupled with much much better drivability as they dont rev like a mother F*cker.

4cyl petrol jap trucks dont even match the economy of say a falcon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>golfie,<br />
i appreciate your angle in that people would buy the diesel falcons and commys for their driving characteristics, but i would say that argument is only valid in the case of small cars and light trucks.</p>
<p>falcons and commys are very much drivable especially the falcon with its torque bank that is greater than popular turbo diesels.</p>
<p>falcons and commys dont need their neck rung as much as small petrol and jap petrol trucks.</p>
<p>if i was looking at a jap ute, no way would i go petrol.<br />
yep, the diesel versions of jap utes are well worth the investment for enormous fuel bill savings, coupled with much much better drivability as they dont rev like a mother F*cker.</p>
<p>4cyl petrol jap trucks dont even match the economy of say a falcon</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dam you Golfie...................Indian tucker is my favourite. Better get Indian bl**dy hot as I do and still eat some 5 bullseye chillies which I take with me - the Indians are stunned at me for how hot! Lucky bugga</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dam you Golfie&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.Indian tucker is my favourite. Better get Indian bl**dy hot as I do and still eat some 5 bullseye chillies which I take with me &#8211; the Indians are stunned at me for how hot! Lucky bugga</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And agree Tony M.....other thing is all this excitement about Hybrids is a laugh. Well economy before top up is poor, battery issues is not advanced enough and lots of greenhouse gases go into the car and batteries in particular. So the mirage effect takes its hold on the buying public</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And agree Tony M&#8230;..other thing is all this excitement about Hybrids is a laugh. Well economy before top up is poor, battery issues is not advanced enough and lots of greenhouse gases go into the car and batteries in particular. So the mirage effect takes its hold on the buying public</p>
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		<title>By: Naughtyius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naughtyius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do agree. People will still buy em as they forget the premium they pay and they are prepared to sacrifice more $ to buy better fuel economy and dont think greatly of fuel costs of it. Bit like a mirage me thinks. 

What concerns me about this new age revelation that big cars on slide is that people will not tow same things, have less appeal to carry people and will change there lifestyle hey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do agree. People will still buy em as they forget the premium they pay and they are prepared to sacrifice more $ to buy better fuel economy and dont think greatly of fuel costs of it. Bit like a mirage me thinks. </p>
<p>What concerns me about this new age revelation that big cars on slide is that people will not tow same things, have less appeal to carry people and will change there lifestyle hey!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 08:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What worries me about the hybrid model like the Prius is will Holden go for a small turbo diesel, say 2 litre (100kw/320Nm) and match it to an electric motor of similar output. Like I have said before I find the Priuses we have at work, when you try to push them and they are low on voltage you don&#039;t get the type of acceleration you expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What worries me about the hybrid model like the Prius is will Holden go for a small turbo diesel, say 2 litre (100kw/320Nm) and match it to an electric motor of similar output. Like I have said before I find the Priuses we have at work, when you try to push them and they are low on voltage you don&#8217;t get the type of acceleration you expect.</p>
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