You pay 32K for gutless engine, underdeveloped gearbox with no manual override, cheap torsion beam rear suspension, and not much else? For crying out loud, it’s about the same price as an Accord Euro, which is miles better.
Yeah but the thing is this is an auto. My dad have a manual and it is WAY more refined than the auto. It’s faster and compliments the cars sporty appearance.
Hyundai Veloster would be worth the value over the Civic Si. Or the Elantra for that matter.
Bring over the 3 door non type R version of this (as available in the UK) and sell it for around the same price as a base Corolla. I notice there are 3 engine choices in the UK – 1.4, 1.8 and 2.2 diesel. You would have to be silly to buy one with the 1.4L engine.
(this Si is the 5 door version).
So it’s great everywhere except a small section of the review and then it’s not worth buying?Love the look but Honda, the Euro is the same price and a much better buy! And I HATE Euros too! Golf 118TSI if I wanted a Euro car, Mazda3 SP25 if I wanted a Jap car, simple as that.
For a Jap car I’d beg to differ, the Lancer everytime for me
Each to his own I guess, care to elaborate on why you like the Lancer better?
The Lancer hatchback has to be the ugliest new car on the market…yuck.
you forgot about the chinese cars LOL
Where is the CRZ Honda Australia? Can Car Advice contact them and get more specific dates?
Shame that Honda Aus refuse diesel engines…
CR-Z is later this year. Don’t get too excited though, it’s not as ‘sporty’ as it promises. Still a better drive than a Prius, mind.
It’s not that they refuse diesel engines, the issue is around transmission. The diesel engines from Europe are only available mated with manual trans. There’s simply no market for manual cars here. Not enough to justify the business case anyway. However, we may soon see a diesel down here because reports are saying they have developed an auto to go with it. Question is when.. no one really knows. Here’s hoping the next gen Civic (sedan) will offer a diesel engine. All their cars (but Jazz) desperately need diesel.
According to Honda’s UK website the Accord (“Euro” here) is available with a 2.2L diesel and a 5 speed auto AND a wagon.As is the CRV. South Africa even gets diesel auto models! Come Honda, get serious
Yes,I was just in South Africa,where the Euro Accord is very desirable,expecially in DIESEL and WAGON format…and gets crosse shopped with BMW,Mercedes,and Audi,not Mainly Mazda and VW,like in Australia.
It looks like a jelly bean no need for this in australia have an accord 3.5 petrol great car who will buy this
I wish you guys would test drive manuals.
You say the 1.8-litre engine struggles, yeah, of course, it is mated to a crappy auto.
Well according to one of the other reviewers from CA, Automatics give extra driveability and manuals don’t cope with regular peak hour traffic.
Its not that they cant cope with peak hour traffic, its just that most PEOPLE cant cope with a manual in peak hour traffic. Most manuals, if anything are more durable and provide much more driveability than MOST automatics.
Especially in FWD 4 cylinder configuration. Why you would want an auto in a small, FWD 4 cylinder is absolutely beyond me.
I like the regular civic.. Better..
The Civic sedan has aged really well,and is STILL a great looking car.
May I suggest in future reviews that you show rough measurements of some interior and boot dimensions (length, height, width etc) with a tape measurer or use the old method of taking photos of the boot area with standard size suit cases? I’d greatly visualise the amount of space these cars actually have (or don’t have).
Thanks for the reviews though.
A normal Civic sedan is a great buy compared to this.
No doubt about it, it’s a good-looking car. But that’s about all it has going for it. You’d have to really, really, really like this car to choose it over the Accord Euro (to name just one).
Wonder if that 1.8 litre would fit into the Jazz? Sure, it would violate Honda’s power principle (which seems to be: too little power is more than enough) but a Jazz with 103 Kw and 176 Nm would be worth a look.
The 1.8L probably wouldn’t fit in the Jazz but there is a 1.8L version of the City available in China and nowhere else.
Honda are apparently developing a 1.6 L turbo petrol engine option for the CR-Z which may eventually find its way into Jazz/Civic as well.
Honda product planning is hopeless! Honda have one of the best diesels in the business and then offer us product suited more to Nth America… Go figure. When the next gen i30 and Mazda SkyActiv range is released it will be game over for Honda. Honda needs affordable auto diesels across the range now.
Not to mention the new Focus with TDCI and Powershift transmission..
Why doesn’t USA get the Toyota Aurion?
Because Camry is same sized and they have Avalon I believe?
They get the V6 version of the Camry, essentially the same car.
When the type R first hit OZ i was very excited about the looks , modern .
Not so, time has dated this car very quickly , once again asian design does not stand up against contempory euro shapes .
Hey Bangel, this is Euro Civic, which was designed in Europe, not Asia.
It’s a shame that we have to get our Civics from the UK and not Japan. If ours were from Japan it would be at least $5,000 cheaper.
That is what I keep telling my wife, who is as keen as mustard to buy one. Why does this thing come from the UK?
‘commendable boot capacity of 415 litres’??? Yet in a Hyundai Elantra review recently the incorrectly quoted figure of 420 litres was described as massive?? (actual figures 402-vda, 458-sae) Can these reviews specify vda or sae for boot capacities as both are used in Australia (and even within same manufacturers), so a realistic comparison can be made between vehicles. SAE measurement giving a larger reading. Either way, doesn’t seem to be much difference in capacities in this instance despite the differences in subjective descriptions…. Strange…
Do you realise that litres is a universal metric measurement?
It doesn’t sound like it.
Really? litre is a universal metric measurement? NO. Seriously? Do YOU realise that there are THREE different METHODS (i.e. ways of doing the measurement).
They are SAE, DIN, and VDA, with VDA giving a smaller result than SAE, and DIN generally not quoted in Aus in regard to cargo capacity. SAe using varying sizes of ‘boxes’ to arrive at a result, with VDA using smaller sized ‘boxes’, and if DIN were used a standard volume box of 1 litre is used.
An article or two has popped up over the years in the occasional magazine, and some car companies quote both figures (e.g. Hyundai Aus website with elantra specs), while some companies (hello Holden), quote the larger figure when it suits and the smaller when they aren’t bothered about trying to say that their uberwagon thingy is bigger than another companies run of the mill wagon thingy, or some such. I suppose you believe that a gallon is a gallon right? Think again. Maybe do some research before trying to criticise someone else.
For accurate and fair comparison, between vehicles VDA and SAE should be quoted for all vehicles, until the manufacturers decide on one or the other. In the case of quoted interior volume a litre is NOT necessarily a litre.
CA does seem to have a Hyundai bias.
Also if you google “John Cadogan” – one of CA’s writers, you will find he appears to work for Hyundai with a article from Fairfax media listing him as Hyundai’s
Media consultant” – amongst numerous other articles where he did work for Hyundai.
Yeah, funny they didn’t mention that ‘unbiased comparison’ that got pulled for distorting the truth. Caradvice is definitely slipping in the quality department.
Honda, if you’re reading this:
a) Your pricing sucks! Wake up and get real!
b) Train and re-train all your sales people and get rid of the tossers you’re hiring right now. I cringe everytime I walk into a Honda showroom
This is actually a really good car at this price. It’s very well equipped, good looking, good to drive and very practical, not to mention Honda’s reliability reputation. The reviewer forgot to mention the Magic seats, which are the same in the Jazz. I’d probably buy the manual version, as it goes better with the engine. A dual clutch box might be better instead of a five-speed auto, but then Honda would only see that as another thing to go wrong.
My wife is really keen to buy one, it has all the bells and whistles. I tend to be a bit worried about the pricing, as can get a Mazda SP25 for the same price. We currently have a Mazda 3 and it goes great. Is this possible purchase going to be a set back?
Well, the SP25 hatch would be the main competitor, it too is very well equipped for the money. The Mazda is more focussed on driver enjoyment whereas the Honda is a good, practical everyday car. If your wife wants an auto, then I’d definitely say go for the Mazda. However the Honda in a manual is a great car and is a bit different from the now very common Mazda.
Hi nickdl, thanks for your thoughts. They are the same as ours. We are manual drivers and enjoyed the test drive in the civic si. We agree that the Mazda is an everyman/woman’s car, we call them ‘buts’, everybody has one, a bit like the CRV (which we also have).
Anyway, just put a deposit down on one of those red ones, wife is happy.
and drive a mazda 3 that everyone else has?
Civic is well built and made in the UK , anything that leaves the Honda factory is excellent quality and the UK is no exception
I have driven one of these in a manual i was very impressed!!
600klms to a tank with 3 people fitting in comfortably
and the list of features is impressive, i have driven the Mazda 3 and its boring!!
I agree with most comments though , at 26-27k this car will be hot property
my two cents anyway