Prius sales top One Million
15 May, 2008
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Worldwide sales of the world’s first mass-produced petrol-electric hybrid vehicle, the Toyota Prius, has surpassed the one million mark.
By the end of April, Toyota had sold 1,028,000 examples of the Prius, with Australia contributing for just over 9,300 of the total.
Toyota Motor Corporation estimates the success of the Prius has reduced carbon-dioxide emissions by about 4.5 million tonnes worldwide.
The company said the estimated reduction was compared with petrol-only vehicles in the same class and of similar size and driving performance – like a Golf Kart.
The Prius is currently sold in 40 countries, and has taken eight years since it was first released to reach the half a million sales mark, with the other half accumulated in just two more years.
The largest market for the Prius is North America with 590,000 sold, followed by 315,000 in Japan, 100,000 in Europe and 20,000 throughout the rest of the world.
Australian sales of the Prius increased by more than 60 per cent last year alone to a record of 3,176 cars due largely to improved availability.
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May 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Recent comparo between the PriArse, Mini Diesel & Focus econotec had the following mileage
Prius 41mpg
Focus 46mpg
Minu 56mpg
this leaves little doubt as to the PriArse being a triumph of marketing over substance.
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
And the quoted environmental savings are even more spin.
Vote:Now lets do the sums, 1,028,000 x US$25 = effn lot of royalties Toyota owes that chip copyrite owner
May 15th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
May I ask something, the Toyota Prius isnt that fuel efficient are they?
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Well that shows there are 1 million idiots out there doesn’t it with no taste in cars .
Duck the Prius is just a good con job on behalf of Toyota, supported by so called environmentalists trying to look like their doing something for the world..
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
It may not be the best people want it to be, but its a start. This has started competition with Honda and other manufacturers and has moved the technology forward a few years or so.
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
To right BM – And does that mean that Toyota having broken a patent at $25 per vehicle thats $25million fine. Woooh that’ll make a dent in the bottom line or not as they’ll just pass it onto the punters. Good customer sevice then.
Oh what a feeling as the Prius cons folk into buying a not so green afterall car.
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Bavarian what a supreme human being you must be the world is a better place that you are here how will we get on when you are six feet under???????????????????????
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
One million suckers and or posers!!!
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Duck – the prius does 4lits/100 with a CO2 output of 104g/km.
on the otherhand VW\’s Polo bluemotion 1.4D does 67mpg and emits 99g/km of CO2.
Not so green then
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
No Name, I hardly support toyota infact if I could wipe out any brand in the world, It would be Toyota before PROTON even, but thats an unfair comparison because at the end of the day, the polo is small and the prius is big and the prius is more powerful. The thing that Trackdaze wrote at the top is more to the point between the Focus and the Prius. Also, have you driven the Bluemotion? Its noisy, clattery and gives you a head ache. You also you shouldnt compare MPG to litres per 100km – youll confuse the poor things. Also at the end of the day geettting a car that puts out 150 grams per km isnt exactly gonna break the world. I dont see the point of this whole green thing. I think that once you factor in the life of a Priuses battery, a diesel golf would probably be just as green.
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Sorry Alex with the mpg mix up. For the record the Prius does 4.4’s and the Bluemotion Polo 4.2’s Bluemotion Golf does 4.5’s.
Vote:As for value for money Prius is $6200 more than the Bluemotion Golf. I do not agree with your driving comments on the Polo.
I also would not “wipe out” Toyota or any manufacturer, the competition it creates is useful. The big T are leagues ahead when it comes to customer satisfaction. Just I find it unbeliveable that a vehicle that directly runs on fossil fuels is given a “Green Badge” especially when diesel exists that equally compete. THe hydbrid is far from zero emissions.
May 15th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I would say it is the fault of the public and politicians that they have fallen for the marketing spin when the raw data is out there. Don’t hate Toyota for trying to sell a car, no matter how boring and pedestrian most of their models are.
The reason why the Prius is so popular in the US is that getting a diesel in the US market is hard and the LEV regulations are against diesels because of the particulate levels.
The Prius may not be the best, but you have to admit that it pushed the green agenda further than any other car ever made. It has at least made people think about their impact on the environment, or it came a time when the world was waking up to our impact. Right car at the right time, I guess.
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
1. Hybrid consumes sames regular unleaded then Diesel… however Diesel uses more oil to create, therefore in real terms its better for environment by consuming less fuel.
2. Hybrids emit less harmful pollutants into the air then diesel.
You people want to talk about marketing spin, that is Diesel! Not present for it. No Future for it.
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
So TP says 45% of the population of civilsed countries are wrong. pfffft.
Vote:La la la la
May 15th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
TP your spelling is floored mate. ‘Than’ not ‘then’ dippo. Ha Ha floored (flawed). Ha Ha
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
And the eventual environmental cost of a million battery packs from 10 year old priuses is….???
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
All recyclable Golfie – In Australian terms find a big hole and bury it. ;)
Vote:Seriously are they really going to be recycled? are the cost of recovery of the nickel etc greater than mining for new nickel etc. I think so, therefore the batteries won;t be recycled unless the pollies say so, but they won’t of course.
May 15th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Perhaps they could use the depleted batteries to construct low cost housing.LOL.
The Pirus is really half Rs tech when u consider how economical similar size diesels are.
TP and his diesel theorm again. Ho hum.
Perhaps Toyota should be made to take the batteries back and recycle them as a condition of purchase.
God knows these things would be costing as much as a Corolla to manufacture by now given the 10 year production run thus far.
The only hard part to these Hybrids is the electronics and we have since learned that they copied that.
Vote:May 15th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
The Prius may be reasonable economic and offer acceptable performance in a unquestional ugly exterior for a hideous amount of dosh. Otherwise, the car is great.????
Vote:Rather a turo Deisel anyday. The Hyundai I30 was judged green car of 2007 and ofers far better performance, similar economy and is half the price and twice the car. So there!
May 15th, 2008 at 11:34 pm
Yeh Realcars – Tp’s diesel theorem is seriously floored (LMAO) I just don’t drop it cos i’m really ….wait for it….Roofless. Ha Ha
Vote:Seriously TP can you explain the petroleum process to us us, as far as I’ve read a barrel of crude produces differing quantites of products, so how can it use more oil to make crude.
Realcars – the Euro bods have made it essential for all cars to be made easily recycleable at the manufacturers cost. So now we inccurr charges at the point of sale for the future recycling costs.
May 15th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Quote: “One million suckers and or posers!!!”
Just like the suckers and posers who think they need a 6.0 V8.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Reply to Johny……i don’t think anyone really needs a 6 litre V8, personally i think it’s ostentatious and vulgar BUT if they run it on LPG or natural gas they’ll be doing less harm to the environment than the harm done by the process of producing battery packs of a hybrid!!!!
Therefore 6 litre V8 driver’s might well be posers but the Prius drivers are hypocrites!!!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Whilst i would never live with 6litre car I have no real objections to them, if the individual want to run anything thats consumed fuel at alarming rates thats up to them. In fact the more they fuel use, the more tax they pay and the result the less tax to the Gov’ment I pay.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:15 am
As long as they are spending their own money on feeding a 6 litre V8 then good luck to them at least their not pretending to be saving the planet like Prius drivers!! when what they are really doing is polluting the planet to produce a car that will save THEM money at the bowser…..now that’s the perfect definition of a hypocrite!!!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:55 am
Hi Carl – I can personnaly see a slight green credential in the Prius but you are correct about the saving money issue. If everyone drove a Prius they would save little fuel more than if we all drove say Golf Bluemotion’s. (Not sure that they have made it to Aus yet?). TP’s continual ignorance of diesel is probably caused by his drive in a 1978 Toyota Landcruiser and a lack of performance. Nearly everyone I know who has gone from a petrol to modern post 1998 diesel says the diesel is far more entertaining drive along with incredible fuel savings.
Vote:I had an Audi A6 1.9 diesel – it would do 5.4’s on a run and 6.4′ round town with a light foot.
Can’t wait for the 1st deisel hybrids to hit he roads then we’ll be easily looking at mid 3’s for consumption.
May 16th, 2008 at 2:15 am
No Name, Hi mate……you cracked me up with the 1978 land cruiser comparison but incredibly there is still so much ignorance about modern diesels here in OZ!!! Slowly but surely that is changing and only the truly committed to ignorance still deny the fact that these diesels are cracking engines…..as far as the blue motion from VW i think we are about to get them very soon and Mercedes is developing some incredibly frugal and powerful diesels as well, it’s a pity that we are getting screwed with diesel prices here because it’s doing a lot of harm by turning people off buying cars that would be more environmentally friendly than petrol hybrids and cheaper, but no doubt that when Peugeot and VW bring out the diesel hybrids that they are working on fuel consumption will not only be great in the cities but on the highways as well…..unlike the Prius!!!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 2:44 am
When i was working in Mel in 2005/6 there were few diesels around. I think Audi had bought the A6 3.0TDI, the golf was just about to arrive. It seems many have bought them despite the extra cost of both car & fuel. But as soon as diesel get 20 to 25% more than petrol then the advantages are not financially worthy.
Vote:I actually quite like those old Landcruisers really, but Toytas new retro one (not sure what its called) is frankly awfull
May 16th, 2008 at 2:52 am
i think you mean the 70 series and it is for hard core farmers only…..very expensive low spec but bullet proof!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 6:46 am
TP, I’d be interested to hear more about diesel using more oil to create it than petrol.
Dont forget to factor in PriArse’s highly toxic nickel,metal,hydride massive energy cost to produce and its disposal (less than 10years)
We’ve forgotten to discount the fact that in australia outside of the capital’s (city centre gridlock) the PriArse becomes irrelevant. A falcon uses little more fuel on the highway. In case you havent looked its a big country.
Even a 5 series diesel eats the PriArse over extra urban cycle.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 8:52 am
Wow, in 10 years time that will mean there is 1028000 sets of batteries that will need to be carefully disposed of. Sounds like an environmental disaster to me!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:03 am
HAHAHA Jimbo not to mention those extension cords left over.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:09 am
Toyota Supporter,
Firstly read the comment I made just above yours. Also it is no surprise other car makers are getting in on the act, because they know there are plenty of suckers out there that will buy Hybrid cars to either look good or because they don’t know the facts.
Vote:If they were serious they would do the homework and buy a car with a small diesel engine, eg. Citroen 1.6 C4 auto clutch . 4.5L to 100km and 120g emissions. I know the Prius and the others claim to be better but the reality is a different story.
And at the end of their lives when the cars need to be recycled the diesels won’t destroy the environment, but the hybrids will.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:29 am
We are criticizeing how much Co2 it takes to make the damn things not just the nightmare of disposal but the hypocrisy of where the nickle is mined and how much fossil fuel is used to make the batteries compered to a small diesel…….THAT’S the full issue!!!!……not just disposal!!!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:30 am
Ok Toyota supporter, but the hybrids still produce more CO2 than the smaller diesels and they also have the batteries to recycle at the end. Which by the way is not a very clean process.
To summarise an article I read in RACV mag Royal Auto: If you want to protect the environment, consider all the aspects, not just fuel consumption. You would be better off with a Jeep Wrangler than a hybrid.
Their words not mine.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Good point Carl
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:41 am
In a perfect world, we would forget about oil and we would be driving hydrogen powered cars. Then there would be no need for this discussion. I’m hanging out for those days.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Toyota Supporter,
Vote:Have you noticed every one is saying the word “hybrid” not “Toyota”. That’s your issue, not ours. And we are talking about hybrids now. Yes there is pollution all around us, but stick to the issue.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:49 am
You want to use less fuel? Buy a diesel.
Look at the mini diesel it’ll go 57mpg versus the 41mpg of the PriARSE. thats real world not some toyota marketing fairytail.
Look at the diesel Hyundai i30 trouncing the almost double the price “ecowank” that is the priARSE in the solar challenge.
ToyotaSuporta you can bring out the pom-poms & do all the “chearleeding” you want. toyota’s priArse is shlt ! the marketing is brilliant.
Before you sprout off about the survey results from the uk again. the PriArse won because of one of the fatal flaws inherent in surveys. Because of the physcologic imperitive of those buying these “ecowanks” things guarantees the warm and fuzzy feelings its owners mistakenly encounter.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:51 am
I’ve always tried to say hybrid in my comments not just Prius if I’ve said Prius it’s because it was a prius story but i include all hybrid brands….BUT….you can’t claim number one status and not expect proportional criticism……when VW and Peugeot come out with diesel hybrids in the next 18 months or so i will praise the common sense of using a more efficient fuel than the Prius does i will praise the Prius killing fuel consumption BUT i will criticize the Co2 needed to produce the batteries because just like Toyota does they will i’m sure try and hide those facts from the potential buyers!!!!
Was that fair enough for you mate??????
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Hey Toyota Supporter, just out of interest what car do you drive?
Vote:I drive a 1.6L Peugeot by the way. I’m not trying to be a smart ar*e, I’m just interested.
I personally plan to buy a small diesel next. That said the Peugeot I’m in at the moment will achieve under 6L per 100 on a good day, but in the future I want to do better.
May 16th, 2008 at 9:59 am
i think we ALL agree hydrogen is the way we must be heading and a lot faster than we currently are….no one that doesn’t live in a mental institution or work for OPEC (same thing) would argue other wise, What we disagree with is how to deal with the stop gap measures like hybrids!!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Hehehe Prius, i’ll stil stick to my twin external 45mm wastegates :)
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 10:22 am
Hey Toyota Supporter, you wouldn’t happen to be sitting in a Toyota office right now would you? Say the PR division?
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Toyota Sucker said: “Also, i suppose as of today all battery operated devices in your house will be disposed of in a environmentally friendly manner and no new replacements sourced”
Um, their not nickle-metal hyrdide batteries. Mobiles,laptops use lithium-ion batteries.
The next gen priARSE will use….wait for it. NMH batteries. Not really next gen is it?
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Toyota Supporter,
Ok sorry TS, I can see your a man or woman of your convictions. However I will once again bang my head against the brick wall and say: We are talking about all hybrids NOT just Toyota. Also I did note you ignored my question about the car you drive?
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Jimbo, No Name and Trackdaze, how ya’s goin’, I went to see a client last night and had an admittedly cruisy run down the freeway (110 km/h) and through a 70km/h suburban arterial in the Golf. It returned an indicated 4.9l/100km with an occasional giggle from the turbo. There’s only 3 or 4 cars in the country that would match or better that. Needless to say, I’m happy. :)
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 10:52 am
We can only do what we can afford and what is out there…i’m currently using LPG but i’m not a hypocrite and claim that i use LPG because it has less Co2 emissions i am honest enough to recognise that i can drive a big comfortable car for less money than a Yaris and the fact that LPG has slightly less Co2 emissions is a just a bonus, but i know that natural gas is better that LPG and hydrogen is the best of all!!!
Hydrogen is still unavailable and “OUR” natural gas is being sold to China and Japan for a pittance and we are not given the opportunity to use it in our cars!!!!!
So the next best fuel is LPG then diesel and last petrol…..i put petrol last because it is less efficient than diesel costs more to refine and has “benzine” added to it!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 11:04 am
It’s frustrating to see how we can virtually give away our natural gas reserves and be forced to pay full price for a more polluting fuel that comes from terrorist and environmental vandals like OPEC countries…..and very few Australians have the balls to complain!!!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Golfschwein, Thats awesome. I would love a Golf. Unfortunatley for me the Golf was out of my price range last time I was up for a new car. Do you have a 2L or 1.9L?
See TS^ some real world figures for you. Camry’s on premium would be great on fuel too I would expect.
Vote:Imagine how good a diesel Camry would be. Or even a Diesel Hybrid Camry. With lithium-ion bateries naturally.
May 16th, 2008 at 11:28 am
gooorrrrrr,Golfy your such a show off,4.9 litres per 100 Still Im sure Dingos happy getting less in that PERFORMANCE SPORTIVO he drives!Wide bodied Camry mmmm nice.
So why don’t you own a Prius Dingo seeing your such a gleeny/greeny ….seems you support them to death on every thread? Also heres a thought Dingo try using that premium in the engine not on it you may get better results……..
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Aww, Bavarian Missile, you’re back! I know I’ve been a bit quiet around the traps, but haven’t had much free time to indulge in blogs or emails.
wbc…mmmmm, choice!
Hey Jimbo, it’s a 1.9 with 6 speed manual.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Bavarian – be resonable in our critism.
Yes i am a relatively envornmentaly friendly person (well … certainly try to be) but with a lovely wife and 2 young children who are still in toddler seats, i require a decent enough size motor-vehicle and the Camry is a comfortable size while sporting a 4 cyl engine.
You have children so you would understand how much room in the back seat toddler seats occupy so try squezzing those into a Prius.
Although the economy of the 4cyl Camry is about par with most six cylinders on the highway, they remain considerably more efficent around town were the majority of our kilometers are travelled.
As i stated earlier – i have been using premium fuel for many years now while another environmentally way of looking at things is to buy a quality car that is renouned for being reliable and dependable because then – less components are utilised over the life of the car to keep them servicable.
So … not only is the my Camry Sportivo a comfortable size to accomodate the family, it has the efficency of a 4cyl (manual at that) that is reliable, dependable and durable not to mention cheap to maintain.
Oh yeah – don’t get abusive because you are the person who has voiced thier opinion in the past about being abusive.
Again … you have proven that you are a hypocrite and better still, i bet you don’t report yourself to Alborz for the personal attack.
Keep in mind who gets upset over personal attacks.
HYPOCRITE !!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Whoa. Toyota Supporter, I think you need to pour your self a big old cup of calm down juice there champ.
His post didn’t seem that personal to me. I think you just read into posts what you want too. Like the way you see the word Toyota, when no one is writing it.
Also I don’t think you have ever looked inside a Prius because they have acres of room inside. On a par if not more than the camry. If your going to be that insanely loyal to the Prius and Toyota, put you money where your mouth is.
Don’t get so upset man, its only a car blog.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Jimbo – lithium-ion batteries will certainly be a better option and improve the stance hybrid technology but unfortunately, further development is still required because of the associated cooling required.
I believe GM and even BMW (or was that Mercedez Benz) believe they are confident with thier cooling method but Toyota at this stage remains sceptical.
Sense Toyota has been the leading brand in the deveolpment of hybrid dricetrains, i am sure they have good reasons for thier opinion.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
P.S If money is an issue, like it is for us all. You can pick up a second hand prius that has done less than 60000km for less than $24K. I just checked carsales. Thats less than a second hand camry in some cases.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Jimbo – take it easy yourself.
Bavarian is a ’she’ and in the past has been been upset about personal attacks to the point she has even reported abusive behaviuor when she has been every bit as quilty herself.
I have read the comment as it was written but the point is – Bavarian has to start practicing what she preaches and stop being a hyprocrite… PERIOD !!
That said – i have stated nothing about being loyal to the Prius (or any othetr hybrid for that matter) while the Prius infact has much less room then a Camry. There is no comparison.
Take it easy yourself because someone is defending the Prius with good grounds. Maybe you haven’t acknowdged all factors so don’t get upset with other people when challenged.
And at the end of the day – it is only a car blog so bare that in mind.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Jimbo – not interested in a Prius – to small … PERIOD !!
But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t make a case for exsistance amoung the vast diversity of the automotive market.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Who was being abusive …your the king of that .Whos needs the tissue now Dingo…hahaha I think your mixing up sarcasm and being a hypocrite Dingo……they are totally different.I report disgustingly abusive behavior like you supporting my ex being a husband beater one Friday night over clearly what we all thought was below the belt,if you think Im out of line feel free to report me ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!!!!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Ok,ok lets just agree to disagree and move on.
Vote:Oh and for the record, I drive a diesel Land Cruiser at work and I think it is a brilliant car. Reliable and thrifty in its own giant, fuel guzzling way. But I don’t pay for its fuel so who cares.
May 16th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
On ya Jimbo,had a Diesel Cruiser too……..great tow vehicles. Understand Im not a Toyota hater just against Toyota extremists………mind you I have nothing good to say on a Prius !
You work for the mining industry too Jimbo??
Time to move to another thread before Dingo returns and this thread become another rant .
If you type in Prius at the top of the page Jimbo you will see a search on them for this site click on any of them and you will see Dingo has said it all before.Very ground hog day like!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Bavarian Missile, No I work for the Fed Gov in regional VIC. I take it you work in the mining industry, what made you think that I did?
I think your right though , it is time to move to another thread, I keep picturing this wild eye guy with Toyota tattoos, adding peoples blog names to his “Too Kill” List.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Jimbo – i am not like that at all.
Take it is easy !!
However, i will challenge comments that i believe are wrong, bias or disconnected from reality.
There is nothing wrong thinking about hybrid technology on a broaden scale instead of the typical normal, narrow minded views some exhibit instead of indulging into detail to maybe discover good grounds why a greater amount of automotive manufactuers are investing into hybrid technology.
Have a think about !!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Camry…Golf…Prius…mine is bigger than yours…go to a chat room and finish it there.
Vote:In the grand scheme of the world market, a million cars is bugger all. The Prius is in the limelight because it became the first mass-produced hybrid available. To even the balance of all the good Toyota has done since 1999, Ford sell over 1 million F-trucks a year in the US alone…take that environment!
May 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Welcome to our world, Jimbo. True colours, these, in case you’re wondering.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Pirus= 10 year old tech for premium price=Toyota ripoff.
Yes, diesel i30 a has so many advantages over this relic known as the Pirus.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
TS, your right hybrid technology is worth considering, but in my opinion diesel at the moment is a far superior choice to fill the hydrogen gap. By the time hybrid cars reach their full potential and we have producted millions of great big dirty batteries we could be driving hydrogen cars.
Have a think about it!!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Jimbo – and if those batteries are disposed off correctly then what is the problem.
And what about the new diesels when they become old and start blowing dirty, black smoke uncontrollably into the atmosphere.
Have a think about that !!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Realcars – sorry, i must have missed it … i didn’t see the I30 drivetrain win the 2008 World Green Engine Of The Year.
Now that i think of it – it didn’t because the Prius drivetrain did … mmm !!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
hahaha on your description of Dingo Jimbo, thought you may have been in the mining industry when you said you had a diesel cruiser, no I dont work in the mining industry my ex did both my brothers do and my best friend husband has for 20 years.
Dingo says..\\\”If your ex-husband bashed you about the head a few times then brilliant, but i don’t hit woman.\\\”/women
As I said previously Dingo your a supporter of women bashers,that makes you just as bad!!!! Tell me how Im a hypocrite again??????mmmmmmmmmm So like you to confuse things just like history and heritage with Toyota,Ford and Holden in this great country of ours!!
Oh and thanks for reminding me of the World awards too.
nternational Engine of the Year 2008
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo (135i, 335i, X6)
Best New Engine of 2008
BMW 2-litre Diesel Twin-Turbo (123D)
Green Engine of the Year
Toyota 1.5-litre Hybrid Synergy Drive (Prius)BMW couldn’t be bothered or anyone else for that matter!!!!!!!!!
Best Performance Engine
Porsche 3.6-litre Turbo (911 Turbo, 911 GT2)
Sub 1-litre
Toyota 1-litre (Aygo, Yaris, Peugeot 107, Citroën C1, Subaru Justy)
1-litre to 1.4-litre
Volkswagen 1.4-litre TSI Twincharger (Golf, Touran, Tiguan, Jetta)
1.4-litre to 1.8-litre
BMW-PSA 1.6-litre Turbo (MINI Cooper S, Clubman, Peugeot 207, 308)
1.8-litre to 2-litre
Volkswagen/Audi 2-litre Turbo (A3, A4 Cabrio, A6, TT, Eos, Jetta, Golf GTi, Altea, Leon, Skoda Octavia)
2-litre to 2.5-litre
Subaru 2.5-litre Turbo (Forester, Impreza, Outback, Legacy)
2.5-litre to 3-litre
BMW 3-litre Twin-Turbo (135i, 335i, X6)
3-litre to 4-litre
BMW 4-litre V8 (M3)
Above 4-litre
BMW 5-litre V10 (M5, M6)
On ya BMW STILL THE WORLD CHAMP…wheres you Lexus now Dingo???????mmmmmmmm
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
TS – switch to CD’s man your record is broken.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
Oh and for a Diesel mechanic I thought you would know what a drive train is Dingo??? Engine is the engine not a drivetrain….look it up in your funk and wagnells……..
quote to Realcars \”Realcars – sorry, i must have missed it … i didn’t see the I30 drivetrain win the 2008 World Green Engine Of The Year.
Now that i think of it – it didn’t because the Prius drivetrain did\”
Um no it didn\’t Dingo Prius ENGINE DID!!!!!!!DER…
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Bavarian – Lexus is making the best quality cars in the world. See the latest JD Powers UK Customer Satisfaction Survey … Lexus No.1 – BMW nowere near.
Infact, BMW is always a distant placing in quality/customer Satisfaction Surveys compared to Lexus.
So were is BMW in those awards !!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Bavarian – your husband bashed you around the head a few times.
Sarcasm … that’s OK – remember !!
Jimbo – take some of that chillout juice, it’s just cars … remember !!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
They don’t give out awards or trophies for topping a survey the only thing a manufacturer can claim is bragging rights
As most educated people know surveys and statistics can be and usually are manipulated inorder to achieve a preset goal; as they based on personal opinion and open to interpretation because it all depends on: Who you ask how you word the question etc
Whereas the International Engine Awards etc often involve standardised testing procedures etc to see how well the car or a component of the car performs which means there is physical proof that your car is better than the competition and thats why things like COTY awards have a lot more weight behind them than any half arsed obscure survey
Surveys are Subjective Awards are Objective – the only exception is probably ANCRAP tests as they are carried out in controlled conditions at a purpose built facility[indoors] and don’t allow for any influence form external factors like road surface weather conditions or even human input etc
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Why is it Toyota Supporter; that you are so keen to keep this particular Toyota blog “on topic” yet you have no problem hijacking other blogs on this site which are NOTHING to do with Toyota?
could it be that you are unable to talk about any other make/model of car because you don’t know anything about them – but you want to be involved in the discussion so at any given opportunity mention Toyota.
Or is it that; as Bavarian Missile illuded to you yourself are the HYPOCRITE with your double standards etc. you can’t have it [take it] both ways
This isn’t a personal attack it’s just as a matter of interest.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Quote Toyota Supporter: However; i will challenge comments that i believe are wrong, bias or disconnected from reality.
If that the case you must challenge yourself quite alot then when you visit this site.
Note Sarcasm – [Look it up in the dictionary]
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
Wheelnut – out of interest, why do people like yourself and a few other regulars find it necessary to critise Toyota more then another are particular brand.
It is because they have overtaken General Motors and Ford !!
Critism has been aimed at Toyota for investing into hybrid technology yet i do not see many of those same people take aim at all the other manufactuers investing into the same technology.
I haven’t seen Bavarian critise BMW’s involvement in hybrid technology yet …
Can yo see were i am traveling with this.
What i don’t like is rot comments that are not even remotely contected to reality.
What you under-estimate is the repetitive critism from peope like yourself time after time yet you don’t recognise that … do you !!
The same rot from the same people.
I exhibit considerable knowledge about most manufactuers which has been evident in my ability to challenge people like yourself.
What would you like to know about Holden – as much i am not a Holden man by far, i can guarantee you that i exhibit alot more knowledge about Holden (and GM in general) then yourself.
Feel free to take the challenge if you can … we’ll see who has the standards.
Oh yeah – and remind me who exactly is holding you captive and forcing you read my posts …
Just out of interest – i would like to know who that person is.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
Prius What a shit car…………….
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Wheelnut – i feel the exact same way about people like yourself.
Lets GET something straight here – i am big on referring to facts and figures with referances supplied in many of my comments which is holds alot more value then rot comments that ussually can not even be supported.
What’s the real problem here Wheelnut – my habit of highlighting or divulging into a topic more then people like yourself whould have considered otherwise.
Try thinking outside of the ‘norm’ for once and you just may discover that there is usually more to a subject then meets the eye.
eg … if i did not participate in this subject then the odds are, most critics would have critised the Prius and Toyota’s involvement in hybrid technology with out giving a moments thought towards all the other manufactuers following suit yet because i have offered challenge – it has forced critics acknowle
ge otherwise … am i wrong – PROBABLY NOT !!
Another eg … Bavarian has been rather vocal about her opposition against hybrid technology so naturally has taken aim towards Toyota on any occassion were possible yet has she every critised BMW for following suit .. NO !!
Just out of interest … WHY NOT !!
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Nothing comes more sh*t then a Daewoo sold by Holden
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Yea it does,Toyota Prius and its special features.Shit handling,shit go,shit looks,and it is shit for the enviroment(Makes the enviroment look shit)All this equels a shit box.Im am not referring to facts and figures i am just saying what people say.I think a Viva would be faster anyway
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 7:24 pm
problem is Toyota Supporter – you only want to believe “facts” that support your point of view and u belittle any one that has a differnt view or attempt to discredit thier source – try to atleast appear to not be so bias
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Toyota Supporter your quote from 9.18 “many tonnes of uncontrolled CO2 emissions into the atmosphere after thousands of traveled kilometers”
Take it that you mean from all fossil fuel vehicles including the Prius.
I take you points generally but the whole thing about the Prius being green is really a red herring. I for one would not yet buy a hybrid on the grounds of it being green when it is simply not. It has been stated that current batteries used in Hybrids are only at hteir peak performance for 2 years, then the levels reduce. A la your laptop battery. Knackered after two years.
I also note the Green engine of the year has only ever been given to the Prius. That in itself I think is a sad enditement of the award process when in reality the jury I presume will only consider a hybrid. Besides that the Engine of a prius is as you state to become a standard Corolla engine, its the rest of the engineering that makes the Prius so called green (its not) therefore its not really the engine but nearly the whole car. That particlular award IMO is as TP says “floored” anyone else wold say flawed.
Vote:May 16th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Toyota Supporter,
Vote:Finally we agree!! Holden has gone down the toilet ever since they started selling sub standard Daewoo’s with Holden badges on. I think all who visit car advice can agree with that point.
But I think its best that if like me you just agree to disagree on this particular issue. Because now you’re starting to come off as seeming a little crazy.
And not like “hey that guy is crazy fun”, more like “that guy is crazy!”.
May 16th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Carl,
i totally agree with you mate.
i currently have a falcon ute on LPG and its not the “greeny” thing that gets me excited.
it saves me a bucket load of cash each week, and i still am able to drive a comfortable vehicle.
ive been using LPG since petrol was around 70c per litre.
it didnt seem like much of a saving back then where i went from 50 bucks a week to 25 bucks a week for fuel, but it certainly does now when it costs me 40 bucks versus what my mate told me it cost him to fill up the other day.
he said he had put a record 90 bucks in his commodore ute.
the only thing that will drive me into a greener option is the bottom dollar. i couldnt really care less that LPG is a greener option, its the bottom line that gets me excited.
and lets be honest, we are all the same.
in the example of hybrid cars, it is a case of “False Economy”
Vote:they cost a hell of a lot more to purchase, and arent as efficient as the concept may make it sound.
and above all that, who wants to compromise on comfort and space????????
May 16th, 2008 at 11:59 pm
With regards to the Hybrid technology in general – Where does this place cars such as the GS450h, RX400h and LS600hL (I use the 3 Lexus as examples because currently there aren’t any others like it)?
What I want to put forward is this, if someone wants the performance of a V8 but can get the economy of a V6, isn’t that a win, win situation?
Is that being greener because of the purchase of a V6 (with V8 performance) rather than a V8?
Or are they still buying “gas guzzlers” and would be better off driving a Golf (which i’ve seen repeated many times in this thread)?
Also, the engine awards, when it comes right down to it though, not everyone can afford BMW’s sweet 6’s, screamy V8’s or musical V10’s. So that’s good an all that they won but consider this. Say I want to spend $60,000. From there I then get to choose my own “engine award” in the $60,000 category.
For example the Holden Calais V8 V, V’s, BMW 550i. When price is not an issue, naturally the 550i will win, but if I have $60,000 to spend, there’s an obvious winner of my “engine award”.
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 8:24 am
and that obvious winner would be the aussie I6 Turbo Right?
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Lexus Supporter Says: May 16th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
“Bavarian – your husband bashed you around the head a few times”
NM response………..this is wrong and keep story online. One does not comment personal to this savage extent. So I would conclude, find REG REAGAN (aka Mathew Johns) off the FOOTYSHOW and let him give you some stiff hard uppercuts quite brutal. How dare you state that to BM!
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 8:56 am
Back on laughs (as NOBODY ELSE REALLY HAS LAUGHS ON HERE YOU SAD OBSESSED CAR LOT….ha ha. Mix some humour into your comments and cut the BS I only love Holden or I only love Ford or I only love Toyota – obsessive mindset).
I agree with NO NAME. Being a builder and seeing the word floored has really floored me with laughs. There are obvious flaws to the origin of the comments carried by the self proclaimed smart one…..mind you who cant spell as excited and foaming from mouth to type 198 words a minute. Should I say OOOCH (seems like a dog or dingo calling) as better to say OOUCH as my comment rings truth!
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Considering how the current model has been selling since 2004 and the newer technology diesels are just on par or so with it (depending on driving conditions, on the highway diesel should win, in the city it’s the Prius) should be a testament to the efficiency of the Prius.
When the next model comes along, efficiency will jump again, and the process will repeat, as long as hybrid cars continue.
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 9:46 am
Toyota Supporter,TS,Dingo,Lexus Supporter,Mikka,Bob,Michelle or whom ever you want to call yourself,as Wheelnut says a Survey is hardly a WORLD AWARD SYSTEM as what the one given and provided by the Worlds best jernos….NOT THE SAME.You still cant give credit where credit is due can you yet you acknowledge Prius in the awards….
In regard to BMW in hybrids…..they don’t make them yet,HYDROGEN is what they have been involved with till now. BMW have their fuel efficient Diesels remember the test against the 5 series and the Prius……mmmmmmmm
Have a read for your self,sorry its not a survey!!
“”BMW may have just internationally unveiled its crossover off-roader/coupe, the X6, but there’s an even more exotic version heading our way.
The company confirmed last year that the new X6 would be the model to debut its hybrid technology. At the launch of the X6, BMW remained tight-lipped about the hybrid model but Drive has learned it will use an electric motor combined with the 4.4-litre, V8 petrol engine.
It is expected to produce more power than the petrol-only V8 to compensate for the extra weight (about 200 kg) the hybrid system adds to the car. Performance is expected to be similar to the petrol-only V8. The hybrid is expected to be 10%-20% more efficient than the V8 petrol-only model.
It will be a two-mode hybrid system but won’t work like current hybrids, such as the Toyota Prius. The Prius’ electric engine powers it from stationary to about 30 km/h, where the petrol engine takes over. It is very efficient in stop-start traffic, as the Prius can travel solely on the electric engine. But it is not as efficient at freeway speeds.
The X6’s system works differently: it assists the petrol engine at speed or when overtaking.
There will be key features on the outside to distinguish it from the other X6 models, such as special wheels, a different body kit and different colour choices but, according to BMW’s US marketing manager Clemens Zimmermann, the differences will be subtle.
BMW expects the hybrid model to sell in small numbers.
A hybrid version of the 7-Series is expected to follow soon, with the all-new-generation 7-Series due next year.”"
Ok read that did you?????????? SMALL NUMBERS THEY EXPECT TO SELL,why?? Cause I guess there are a few BMW greenys out there that don’t want to be seen in an ugly Prius ,mind you my money is on BMW to make a better hybrid than Toyota can.Ill be interested to see how much better it is over their current diesels for efficiency!
O and I don’t think you meant the bash around the head as sarcasm ,if you did your even more warped than we all thought you were.
Thanks for the support NM,I know your a BIG supporter of equal rights when it comes to men bashing women or those that support them. Im not one for violence but revenge is sweet on low life’s like them.
Funny how our Dingo starts on Holden and Ford when he cant defend his PRECIOUS Toyota.Can he see no bad in them??
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 9:54 am
Prius?
Gimmick!!
Its a shame our governments spend our money on these vehicles thinking they are environmentally friendly. There are better options.
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
BM: Oh and I don’t think you meant the bash around the head as sarcasm ,if you did your even more warped than we all thought you were.
Too right BM; its like saying I shot him with a Machine Gun but I was only joking
Sarcasm – is more like saying Channel 7’s telecast of the V8 Supercar Championship is the best ever..
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
wheelnut,
off topic i know, but on that,
i still dont get why people whinge so much about ch7’s coverage……..
they actually give it more time on the screen than what 10 was giving it.
plus you dont have to wait up till 10-11pm to watch saturdays happenings
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Andrew M – 7 may give the V8s more air time but during that time they also whack in more ads..
I remember a race last year – I think it was Barbagallo; when Skaife was coming 3rd.. 7 went to a break consisting of 12-14 ads [ bearing in mind TV stations don't include promotions for TV shows as ads].. when we finally came back Skaife was 20th.. and there was no explanation as to why let a lone a replay etc.
As for not having to wait up til 10pm.. you do if you live in a predominantly AFL town like WA SA or VIC.
The other thing is that at the last round during the V8 telecast 7 also showed the Porsche cup series races… yet they are apparently showing them again this weekend. Why.
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Bavarian – You have critized Toyota heavily for investing in Hybrid Technology but now that BMW (and many other manufactuers) has decided to follow suit … you have not critized them.
WHY NOT !!
Is it because it is your PRECIOUS BMW so Hybrid Technology is now OK … mmm !!
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Wheelnut,
i honestly havent found the telecast to be that bad.
we usually get telecast shortly after midday here on saturday and sunday.
and so what if they show the porsche’s twice (i havent noticed that).
Vote:showing the carrera cup twice isnt a black mark on the V8 telecast
May 17th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
F..k O.. Dingo,god your pathetic,I don’t even know the fuel figures for the BMW yet or the breakdown of its recyclable components or anything else compared to Toyota yet so off your soap box. You thought BMW had been doing them already and I provided you evidence they haven’t and all you can come back with is me being a hypocrite??? why…. I don’t and you don’t know anything about BMW hybrids yet,still I think its just BMW trying to get a slice of the hybrid con pie in the sky….{that they admit them self will be very few},grow up BOB. Me……..if I cared how big a carbon foot print I make would still go for the diesel I’m a big enough person to say and stand behind my beliefs you on the other hand stand behind surveys and the Worlds most boring manufacturer..enough said!
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Bavarian – cut the hoo haa drama queen act !!
You have heavily critised Toyota’s involvemnt in developing hybrid technology but you have not passed the same critism towards tour PRECIOUS BMW.
Remember your arguement against batteries, mining of material to make batteries, disposal of batteries and so forth – will be no different with BMW so why haven’t you critised them for following suit.
My point made … it is not really hybrid tech you have a problem with – it’s Toyota !!
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
bangs head on desk…….turns computer off!
Vote:May 17th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
BOB last word cause the Ford thread is more fun…..
As I said before.read slower!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“”"I don’t and you don’t know anything about BMW hybrids yet,still I think its just BMW trying to get a slice of the hybrid con pie in the sky….{that they admit them self will be very few}”"
Do you understand ?????????How can I criticise BMW when I don’t know what they have done yet, oh and it wasn’t me on the batteries either!
Vote:May 31st, 2008 at 9:42 am
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA….Toyota may produce Prius in California with General Motors. So much for the numero uno massive huge company. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Vote:May 31st, 2008 at 9:52 am
hahaha……you couldn’t help yourself could you? Had to be said!
Vote:January 6th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I just bought a 2008 Prius two weeks ago & don’t understand people’s attitude about it. Mine is definitely getting better mileage than anything quoted here. I could care less about all the posturing & argument, I know driving home for Chistmas & back and filling up for $12+ for 500 miles of driving seems fine with me. If it works for you, go for it & if it doesn’t WHY does it matter?
I did notice appx one out of ten vehicles I met were of small/mid size and “economy” minded. I’m not really into pushing my mentality or vehicle for others let alone try to force my ideas/likes/dislikes on them, but if this vehicle is as reliable as they say, I’m going to like it.
I happen to be one of those that does not let my vehicle define who & what I am. It is a way to get from point A to point B. I know who & what I am. I do have a 4wd pu for use on my small rural home & primarily use it to pull stock trailers or flatbeds with tractor.
So many of the predominant society seems compelled to always be AGAINST something rather than ever standing for something. Me, I like to get from point a to point b as reasonably as I can, factor in a little comfort & safety & life is good.
Vote:July 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
We own a Prius and will never NEVER look back. Love, love, love it – efficient as all hell, roomy, comfortable.
When the hydrogen prototypes finally appear, we will probably move on but at LEAST we are not guzzling petrol.
Some of us are making do with what we are able – how many of you have energy saver lightbulbs? Ever wondered how to recycle them? You should. They are totally poisonous!
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