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	<title>Comments on: GM used dead bodies for crash tests?</title>
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		<title>By: RC</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/12508/gm-used-dead-bodies-for-crash-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-72903</link>
		<dc:creator>RC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 01:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Golfschwein Says: 
May 9th, 2008 at 12:54 pm 
This is how safety testing started, decades ago. Mercedes-Benz were a pioneer in this sort of testing, were they not?

It’s totally valid, as far as I’m concerned. Yukkie, but valid.&quot;

Mmmmm. Sure was no shortage of bodies then! Poland? 1939 - 45?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Golfschwein Says:<br />
May 9th, 2008 at 12:54 pm<br />
This is how safety testing started, decades ago. Mercedes-Benz were a pioneer in this sort of testing, were they not?</p>
<p>It’s totally valid, as far as I’m concerned. Yukkie, but valid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mmmmm. Sure was no shortage of bodies then! Poland? 1939 &#8211; 45?</p>
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		<title>By: Bavarian Missile</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/12508/gm-used-dead-bodies-for-crash-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-72884</link>
		<dc:creator>Bavarian Missile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please feel free to use as many live Toyota drivers you wish!hehehe May give them some excitement......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please feel free to use as many live Toyota drivers you wish!hehehe May give them some excitement&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Doh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 00:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crash test dummy $150,000. Donated cadaver $0  
Hmmm...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crash test dummy $150,000. Donated cadaver $0<br />
Hmmm&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Flying High</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/12508/gm-used-dead-bodies-for-crash-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-72127</link>
		<dc:creator>Flying High</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stevo - Primo advertising campaign - loved it! :-)

Re the stiffs - the term is misleading - for a time after death the body remains quite pliable as it slowly &#039;stiffens&#039; but it reaches a maximum &#039;stiffness&#039; point then it starts going limp again as it starts the decomposition process.  

The only reason a body is so stiff in a coffin at a funeral is because they have had it stored near freezing the whole time.

With a &#039;defrosted&#039; body, there is little reason why the data recovered would not apply with live people.

And given some of the attitudes expressed in the car advise blogs in general, you would be sure some of these bloggers have something very stiff indeed jammed firmly thru an orifice.  So these crash tests may be particularly applicable to these same people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stevo &#8211; Primo advertising campaign &#8211; loved it! :-)</p>
<p>Re the stiffs &#8211; the term is misleading &#8211; for a time after death the body remains quite pliable as it slowly &#8217;stiffens&#8217; but it reaches a maximum &#8217;stiffness&#8217; point then it starts going limp again as it starts the decomposition process.  </p>
<p>The only reason a body is so stiff in a coffin at a funeral is because they have had it stored near freezing the whole time.</p>
<p>With a &#8216;defrosted&#8217; body, there is little reason why the data recovered would not apply with live people.</p>
<p>And given some of the attitudes expressed in the car advise blogs in general, you would be sure some of these bloggers have something very stiff indeed jammed firmly thru an orifice.  So these crash tests may be particularly applicable to these same people.</p>
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		<title>By: No Name</title>
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		<dc:creator>No Name</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t personally have a problem with this as long as permission is given. How does a dead person do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t personally have a problem with this as long as permission is given. How does a dead person do that.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don’t see anything wrong with it morally as the bodies were donated......but......I don’t think a dead body would react the same way as a live body would in an impact. As stiff as a stiff may be im sure us live stiffs would become more rigid during an impact once our muscles tense up, but then again i may be wrong as there are much smarter people than I conducting these simulations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t see anything wrong with it morally as the bodies were donated&#8230;&#8230;but&#8230;&#8230;I don’t think a dead body would react the same way as a live body would in an impact. As stiff as a stiff may be im sure us live stiffs would become more rigid during an impact once our muscles tense up, but then again i may be wrong as there are much smarter people than I conducting these simulations.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 06:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saab deadbody manager says &quot;So sir would you like to have your dead body tested in a 9-3 or 9-5 when you go?&quot;

Bloke replies &quot;Could i be tested in the new 9-4X?&quot;

Saab deadbody manager replies &quot;Sorry its already fairly booked out, im sorry&quot;

Bloke replies &quot;OK just test me in a 9-3 when i go, because ive always wanted to buy a 9-3, but only in SportCombi, is that Ok?&quot;

Saab deadbody manager replies &quot;Yeah Ok, thats fine!&quot;


Geeeeeeeeez.....that thought is totally wrong, but it may work for SAAB, i dont know how!  But please GM (like holden, cadillac etc.)dont follow in SAABS footsteps, what ever you do, with this weird and wrong thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saab deadbody manager says &#8220;So sir would you like to have your dead body tested in a 9-3 or 9-5 when you go?&#8221;</p>
<p>Bloke replies &#8220;Could i be tested in the new 9-4X?&#8221;</p>
<p>Saab deadbody manager replies &#8220;Sorry its already fairly booked out, im sorry&#8221;</p>
<p>Bloke replies &#8220;OK just test me in a 9-3 when i go, because ive always wanted to buy a 9-3, but only in SportCombi, is that Ok?&#8221;</p>
<p>Saab deadbody manager replies &#8220;Yeah Ok, thats fine!&#8221;</p>
<p>Geeeeeeeeez&#8230;..that thought is totally wrong, but it may work for SAAB, i dont know how!  But please GM (like holden, cadillac etc.)dont follow in SAABS footsteps, what ever you do, with this weird and wrong thing!</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/12508/gm-used-dead-bodies-for-crash-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-71937</link>
		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mmmm Cremation is sounding better all the time.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm Cremation is sounding better all the time&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
		<link>http://www.caradvice.com.au/12508/gm-used-dead-bodies-for-crash-tests/comment-page-1/#comment-71936</link>
		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an organ donor but agree with u Carl I don&#039;t like the idea of any one I know having their head kept in a jar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an organ donor but agree with u Carl I don&#8217;t like the idea of any one I know having their head kept in a jar.</p>
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		<title>By: realcars</title>
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		<dc:creator>realcars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope the heads in the jars have their eyes closed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope the heads in the jars have their eyes closed.</p>
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		<title>By: Reckless1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reckless1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 05:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a better idea.

Why not use live people in the tests - the best ones to use would be the hoons whose cars are impounded after the second offense.

The first offenders could be required to watch the process, so they know what lies ahead for them.

Maybe that would act as a deterrent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a better idea.</p>
<p>Why not use live people in the tests &#8211; the best ones to use would be the hoons whose cars are impounded after the second offense.</p>
<p>The first offenders could be required to watch the process, so they know what lies ahead for them.</p>
<p>Maybe that would act as a deterrent.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New marketing campaign: SAAB, for when you wouldn&#039;t be seen dead in anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New marketing campaign: SAAB, for when you wouldn&#8217;t be seen dead in anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Liam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ewwwww.

Probably a very good idea though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewwwww.</p>
<p>Probably a very good idea though.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s done ethically and with the appropriate permission from the previous owner of the body i don&#039;t have a problem with this......but.....people working with cadavers must remember that not all of us believe there is nothing more after death and for those people and relatives that have been generous enough to donate these bodies we must treat them with the respect that these dead people deserve!!!! because these experiments help humanity advance forward in knowledge and technologies that will eventually save future lives.

Having said all that i must admit that i don&#039;t think i could be generous enough to donate my body or that of a loved one for similar experiments....so i am not judging people that don&#039;t!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s done ethically and with the appropriate permission from the previous owner of the body i don&#8217;t have a problem with this&#8230;&#8230;but&#8230;..people working with cadavers must remember that not all of us believe there is nothing more after death and for those people and relatives that have been generous enough to donate these bodies we must treat them with the respect that these dead people deserve!!!! because these experiments help humanity advance forward in knowledge and technologies that will eventually save future lives.</p>
<p>Having said all that i must admit that i don&#8217;t think i could be generous enough to donate my body or that of a loved one for similar experiments&#8230;.so i am not judging people that don&#8217;t!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: mistertwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mistertwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ I need to change the batteries in my keyboard - my spelling is terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ I need to change the batteries in my keyboard &#8211; my spelling is terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: GhisGT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GhisGT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know this was all heresay. I have read GM have denied the claims, and if so, isnt the title of this article misleading?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know this was all heresay. I have read GM have denied the claims, and if so, isnt the title of this article misleading?</p>
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		<title>By: mistertwo</title>
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		<dc:creator>mistertwo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti Spam word SAAB - Ha Ha!

As long as te bodies were donated and they are not grave robbing then it should be fine.  If tismeans safer cars in tefuture which will reduce injuries the it is for the greater good.

It is stick a bit &quot;Icky&quot; though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti Spam word SAAB &#8211; Ha Ha!</p>
<p>As long as te bodies were donated and they are not grave robbing then it should be fine.  If tismeans safer cars in tefuture which will reduce injuries the it is for the greater good.</p>
<p>It is stick a bit &#8220;Icky&#8221; though.</p>
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		<title>By: Golfschwein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Golfschwein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how safety testing started, decades ago. Mercedes-Benz were a pioneer in this sort of testing, were they not?

It&#039;s totally valid, as far as I&#039;m concerned. Yukkie, but valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how safety testing started, decades ago. Mercedes-Benz were a pioneer in this sort of testing, were they not?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s totally valid, as far as I&#8217;m concerned. Yukkie, but valid.</p>
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		<title>By: D 1 0 N</title>
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		<dc:creator>D 1 0 N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose if they had voluntarily left their bodies for research before they died then it&#039;s ok. This is pretty tame though, at uni we have actual various body parts, organs, heads, etc sitting in glass jars in the Human Bio department, and real dead bodies which the human anatomy students practice on. So I suppose using dead bodies to further determine the impacts of car crashes on humans is as good a reason as any. Having said that though, there&#039;s no way I&#039;m leaving my body for science...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose if they had voluntarily left their bodies for research before they died then it&#8217;s ok. This is pretty tame though, at uni we have actual various body parts, organs, heads, etc sitting in glass jars in the Human Bio department, and real dead bodies which the human anatomy students practice on. So I suppose using dead bodies to further determine the impacts of car crashes on humans is as good a reason as any. Having said that though, there&#8217;s no way I&#8217;m leaving my body for science&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting....

Would like to know how they get the stiff into the seated driving position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230;.</p>
<p>Would like to know how they get the stiff into the seated driving position.</p>
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